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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => Victoria University => Topic started by: John Smith on October 26, 2009, 03:45:04 pm
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Why does VU have such a bad rep? Many of its business subjects have an enter similar to Monash? so why the bad rep?
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Why does VU have such a bad rep? Many of its business subjects have an enter similar to Monash? so why the bad rep?
Because most of its courses "only" need 50-60%, so people tend to think low ENTER= Bad. To be honest I also go along with this idea, because compare Melbourne Uni and Monash= ENTERS in the high 80's and 90's, and they are good. But there are obviously other factors involved.
And because MORE people go to Monash for example they tend to have more funds, more reputation, more money available for better courses/teachers/ R&D. Whereas you rarely (if ever) hear Vic Uni discovered something.
As a result if people had the option to go into either Vic Uni or Monash/Melbourne/RMIT etc they choose the latter because they think it sounds better.
Oh and also Monash etc obviously offer a LOT more courses and subjects.
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Why does VU have such a bad rep? Many of its business subjects have an enter similar to Monash? so why the bad rep?
Because most of its courses "only" need 50-60%, so people tend to think low ENTER=
The ENTER is a rank.
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OH GOD DONT LET ME GET STARTED ON VU HAHAHAH
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In all seriousness though, u know whats even more efd up, my mate's sister got 90 on her enter and chose to do a business degree at VU where u need 50.5 or somethin for banking and finance
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Why does VU have such a bad rep? Many of its business subjects have an enter similar to Monash? so why the bad rep?
Because most of its courses "only" need 50-60%, so people tend to think low ENTER=
The ENTER is a rank.
I was merely saying people and understandably so tend to associate ENTER with University. High demand= higher ENTER, so yeah, it sort of is explained in my subsequent points
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OH GOD DONT LET ME GET STARTED ON VU HAHAHAH
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In all seriousness though, u know whats even more efd up, my mate's sister got 90 on her enter and chose to do a business degree at VU where u need 50.5 or somethin for banking and finance
hahahahah, nice. Well I have heard of people form this site who had chance to go Monash/Melbourne and go to RMIT instead or something. LOL, at least with RMIT they sort of ADVERTISE the fact they are a Uni/TAFE lol/ well offer both. Look, it really comes down to the individual person, what they think best suits them.
Vic Uni needs to come out of the closet
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50-60% ?? %?? firstly its a rank not percentage. Secondly some Vic uni courses need a higher ENTER than melbourne commerce so get your facts straight. Thirdly RMIT is renowned in areas such as Architecture and Accountancy so they may even compete Monash in those areas. One last thing, while Vic uni isn't the best uni, you sure as hell bet yourself that it's had some successful people in the past and the Vic Uni = TAFE thing is DRAINEDDDD.
that is all
QUOTE Because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>most<<<<<<<<<<<< of its courses etc......
I KNOW some courses in Vic Uni are higher, you'd be stupid to think otehrwise. And I KNOW RMIT is reknowned in accountancy and Architecture.
Get YOUR facts right. And I will continue writing it as 50-60% because thats how I want. People understand so meh.
You offer generalisations= People try and point out flaws
You offer opinions=people try and point out flaws
You are biased= people point out flaws
Of course that's only the MINORITY like you, what can u expect from a 16 year old.
I wasn't offering any info which had bias, unless I pointed out IMO, furthermore, I am using generalisations because in this case it was necessary since I don't go to Vic Uni.
Vic Uni in my opinion is a CRAP UNI, yet I didn't say that. However for some people it is suitable for their course so they go there, and I respect that. Better than you who just types up "rebutallls" over NOTHING, rather than offering any relevant advice. Does anyone CARE you think VIC Uni=TAFE?
I am more than happy to get CORRECTIONS or ask for clarification, but YOU seem to just shoot out criticism, and abuse. One would tend to expect more from a figure such as urself, and the ROLE that you have on this site.
Nope, couldn't care less. It was merely a joke used by mypurpleudnercracker. He at least ended it on a ntoe which was relevant and useful.
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Now to the OP,
- Try talking to your careers teacher, they offer honets advice about Uni's etc to tailor it to suit YOU
- Attend Open Day (too late LOL), and try and get a FEEL for it, learn more about ur course
- Check their website and comapre with otehr Uni's to see what subject you learn, maybe Vic Uni is mroe suitable??
- Does Vic Uni offer Work Exp? That's always a plus
Wish you well! And don't always just go bye rumours and people dissing this uni over another. I fell for it, until I explored ALL my options.
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1= http://www.vtac.edu.au, search it yourself, most Vic Uni coruses have an ENTER of b/w 50-60%
2=Just liek you got a 49 in legal, you got a 31 in Vis comm, and a predicted 28 in chem, big whoops, irrelevant.
3=Quote from your post "Vic Uni = TAFE thing is DRAINEDDDD. ", u did say it
4=I will generalise, its a commonplace occurence, you didn't really clarify yourself here, since I did state it is necessary to generalise since I DON'T GO TO VIC UNI.
5=Look at Uni ranking as a START, Vic Uni never makes the list, or does at a very low place
6= I know RMIT is good in those fields, just like you know it is. You don't see me asking YOU how you know, because it is common sense, you hear it here and there. But after doing some of my own research including talking to several career teachers, my cousins who work in architecture, and some friends who have moved from one Uni to another to do Arch. I concluded this
= Makes me look retarted, haha, nice. Can you now sleep at night now?
Oh, and yeah I don't shy away from saying your Moderator? HAHA you think im to stubborn and self centred to say that? LOl, what's it to me, your Mod, yeah. Cool.
And now if we refer to my original post, I still fail to see what I said which condones your reply. Everything I said was practically true, I was providing some possible reasons to why VU is seen as "bad". Oh but I am glad you were able to pick out "%" and "rank".
And I will stop here. This topic has been grossly off topic. You can argue against each one of those Hard, or ignore them, or say something witty about me. But in the end we are each gonna stay having our same embedded opinions :D, and nothing either one of us says will change that. I won't reply anymore if you do choose to say something which I may disagree with, won't be fair to the OP.
Cya :laugh:
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1. VU passes everyone
2. the courses are of ridiculously poor quality (eg. my family friend from VU has a mid sem test that he can do at home)
3. it's fail
4. did i mention its fail?
5. lol vu
6. it's vu
7. Their open book exams are stupid because students use the book samples to get HD -_-
8. lol ur sister is fail mypurpleundercracka 90, 55 damn.
9. They have poor resources
10. They are restricted to H&R Block
11. 80% of their graduates find full time employment... at maccas or nandos if they're lucky.
:)
:)
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It's VU for crying out loud.
As for what people are saying, the ENTER requirement is between 50 and 60. Most people on VN get in the high 80's - high 90's (a few even getting 99.95). So when you especially have places like RMIT or UoM or Monash offerding courses for high ENTER's, you will find that people on VN will go for these 3 uni's.
At the end of the day Monash and Melbourne (not too sure about RMIT) try and compete on global scale, whereas VU is trying to compete against UoM and Monash.
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1. VU passes everyone
2. the courses are of ridiculously poor quality (eg. my family friend from VU has a mid sem test that he can do at home)
3. it's fail
4. did i mention its fail?
5. lol vu
6. it's vu
7. Their open book exams are stupid because students use the book samples to get HD -_-
8. lol ur sister is fail mypurpleundercracka 90, 55 damn.
9. They have poor resources
10. They are restricted to H&R Block
11. 80% of their graduates find full time employment... at maccas or nandos if they're lucky.
:)
:)
Thats a pretty pathetic response Apple. I didnt know you could go that low, even if it is about Vic Uni.
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1. VU passes everyone
2. the courses are of ridiculously poor quality (eg. my family friend from VU has a mid sem test that he can do at home)
3. it's fail
4. did i mention its fail?
5. lol vu
6. it's vu
7. Their open book exams are stupid because students use the book samples to get HD -_-
8. lol ur sister is fail mypurpleundercracka 90, 55 damn.
9. They have poor resources
10. They are restricted to H&R Block
11. 80% of their graduates find full time employment... at maccas or nandos if they're lucky.
:)
:)
Thats a pretty pathetic response Apple. I didnt know you could go that low, even if it is about Vic Uni.
Reality, it hits hard.
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Most people on VN get in the high 80's - high 90's
I dunno...Could just be that only those in the 90s make their score known publicly.
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1. VU passes everyone
2. the courses are of ridiculously poor quality (eg. my family friend from VU has a mid sem test that he can do at home)
3. it's fail
4. did i mention its fail?
5. lol vu
6. it's vu
7. Their open book exams are stupid because students use the book samples to get HD -_-
8. lol ur sister is fail mypurpleundercracka 90, 55 damn.
9. They have poor resources
10. They are restricted to H&R Block
11. 80% of their graduates find full time employment... at maccas or nandos if they're lucky.
:)
:)
not my sister, twas a sister of a mate of mine
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Oh you can learn a lot from a 16 year old ;) p.s. i did get moved up a year level and did get 49 in legal and did make it to states in DAV debating; just saying... and oh is school captain.
lol smart ass :D
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Stop with the bickering and act your age, people >_>
Why does VU have such a bad rep? Many of its business subjects have an enter similar to Monash? so why the bad rep?
1) Generally, lower demand for their courses -> lower ENTER requirements -> people associate low ENTER with crappy quality.
2) Re: business, universities like UoM have a much better reputation, so people would prefer to go there instead of VU.
3) Ranked a lot lower than many other Victorian and Australian universities.
4) Low quality courses supported by anecdotal evidence (e.g. my friend whose year of law at VU was completely worthless in terms of credits when she transferred to Monash)
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Stop with the bickering and act your age, people >_>
Why does VU have such a bad rep? Many of its business subjects have an enter similar to Monash? so why the bad rep?
1) Generally, lower demand for their courses -> lower ENTER requirements -> people associate low ENTER with crappy quality.
2) Re: business, universities like UoM have a much better reputation, so people would prefer to go there instead of VU.
3) Ranked a lot lower than many other Victorian and Australian universities.
4) Low quality courses supported by anecdotal evidence (e.g. my friend whose year of law at VU was completely worthless in terms of credits when she transferred to Monash)
tis only higher than ACU and Ballarat Uni Victoria-wise
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1. VU passes everyone
2. the courses are of ridiculously poor quality (eg. my family friend from VU has a mid sem test that he can do at home)
3. it's fail
4. did i mention its fail?
5. lol vu
6. it's vu
7. Their open book exams are stupid because students use the book samples to get HD -_-
8. lol ur sister is fail mypurpleundercracka 90, 55 damn.
9. They have poor resources
10. They are restricted to H&R Block
11. 80% of their graduates find full time employment... at maccas or nandos if they're lucky.
:)
:)
Thats a pretty pathetic response Apple. I didnt know you could go that low, even if it is about Vic Uni.
Reality, it hits hard.
lol so true
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tis only higher than ACU and Ballarat Uni Victoria-wise
Interesting - for some reason I thought ACU was a fair bit better than VU. And I didn't know there was a Ballarat Uni o.O
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1. VU passes everyone
2. the courses are of ridiculously poor quality (eg. my family friend from VU has a mid sem test that he can do at home)
3. it's fail
4. did i mention its fail?
5. lol vu
6. it's vu
7. Their open book exams are stupid because students use the book samples to get HD -_-
8. lol ur sister is fail mypurpleundercracka 90, 55 damn.
9. They have poor resources
10. They are restricted to H&R Block
11. 80% of their graduates find full time employment... at maccas or nandos if they're lucky.
:)
:)
Thats a pretty pathetic response Apple. I didnt know you could go that low, even if it is about Vic Uni.
Reality, it hits hard.
all unsubstantiated rubbish. That is not reality.
Oh and you bragged about melb uni so much before "reality hit hard" and you were sent packing to monash. reality is a bitch, ain't it?
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Remember that thread where you said you would laugh if applexy didn't get into melb uni.... did you laugh lol?
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1. VU passes everyone
2. the courses are of ridiculously poor quality (eg. my family friend from VU has a mid sem test that he can do at home)
3. it's fail
4. did i mention its fail?
5. lol vu
6. it's vu
7. Their open book exams are stupid because students use the book samples to get HD -_-
8. lol ur sister is fail mypurpleundercracka 90, 55 damn.
9. They have poor resources
10. They are restricted to H&R Block
11. 80% of their graduates find full time employment... at maccas or nandos if they're lucky.
:)
:)
Thats a pretty pathetic response Apple. I didnt know you could go that low, even if it is about Vic Uni.
Reality, it hits hard.
all unsubstantiated rubbish. That is not reality.
Oh and you bragged about melb uni so much before "reality hit hard" and you were sent packing to monash. reality is a bitch, ain't it?
I actually have a family friend who is studying BAcc at VU, so no, it's not really unsubstantiated facts. He told me that he copied the same sample answer in law book to the exam, and he got a HD.
And nah, reality is quite good now. Progressing through Monash quite well. At least I care about my future.
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It's all relative. I'm sure those at Harvard would go LOLUOM.
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What the hell does AppleXY going to Monash have to do with the topic?
hard, instead of randomly attacking people, howsabout you come up with some evidence/arguments?
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did applexy provide any evidence?
Yes - anecdotal.
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Still no one has really asnwered my question. ALot of VU courses require fairly high enters, mids 80's to early 90's. So surely there must be good students who go there? SO what ive taken from this thread so far is that people who've never been out in the real world, had their head up their asses, never been out of their houses have prejudice opinions about the university. So do people in the workplace have the same prejudice opinion VU.
My other question as transferring, how long do u have to be at one uni to transfer to anotherand do u have to be performing reasonably well to do this?
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People should not be shot down for having high aspirations.
On topic: VU has the reputation it has because its courses are deemed to be of not the same quality as other institutions in Victoria. This causes the ENTER required for their courses to be lower than others institutions. As this is the case and as this stigma attached to the University progresses, it causes academics who want to engage in research to shun the University in favour of other Universities (namely UoM and Monash who have the highest research output as far as I know). As VU attracts less (and lower quality academics) , it receives less funding, which leads to poorer infrastructure and facilities which in itself also continues the vicious cycle of bad reputation.
Case Study: The Australian Synchrotron investment in collaboration with Monash University.
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Still no one has really asnwered my question. ALot of VU courses require fairly high enters, mids 80's to early 90's. So surely there must be good students who go there? SO what ive taken from this thread so far is that people who've never been out in the real world, had their head up their asses, never been out of their houses have prejudice opinions about the university. So do people in the workplace have the same prejudice opinion VU.
My other question as transferring, how long do u have to be at one uni to transfer to anotherand do u have to be performing reasonably well to do this?
for starters, VIC uni is located in the middle of footscray (nota good place to put a 'uni'): http://www.theage.com.au/national/killers-sentenced-over-curry-bashing-20081222-73ff.html
this terrible location has probably resulted in the following:
-not many pro academics wanting to work there.
-this therefore decreases the quality of its courses and the academics which work there publish shitter papers than ones who work at melbuni
-this then decreases its university ranking
then theyre forced to lower the enter scores and then no one wants to go there cuz they think its shit
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I'll try and answer, sorry for all the muddle and useless posts, I speak on behalf of my posts as well.
Ok, I am using "predjudice against other Uni's" (as u asked in ur post)using Deakin/VU/RMIT, since they are all SIMILAR in the way they run and offer courses, sort of.
Ok, my cousin went to Uni i THINK at VU or TAFE, can't remember. Anyway, she did accounting. She had to do Work Exp as part of her course, well anyway, she got a place at an accountancy firm.
The dude loved her! He said to her "i've had many students work here for work experience from universities, and you're one of the best, you are fast, know how to help customers, and understand the stuff", well anyway he told her when she finishes her course he will have a job for her secured.
Point is, he was saying the Uni pplz weren't as good coz they learn all theory etc etc, whereas my cuz, she knew how to work PRACTICALLY. That's because she went to VU or TAFE, therefore depending on your degree VU can be BETTER as i previously stated.
Also, look, unfortunately a lot of the time it does come to predjudice. If I was a firm, I'd take a Melb Uni student over a I dunno Deakin (if they offer law?), so point is, it depends how you go on about it.
A lot of courses are better done at TAFE/VU then University.
BTW, I don't mean to associate TAFE with VU, BUT VU i THINK is a lot hands on? And that's a good thing!
Can I also add;
If u want to be a lawyer, doctor, engineer, and a dozen other medium0high paying jobs, I would rather personally just go to Monash/melbourne Unim and not RISK being discriminated against.
HOWEVER, if the context is you not getting a high enough ENTER, or u find VU personally sounds better, well than go to VU, better having a degree than not having one.
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Still no one has really asnwered my question. ALot of VU courses require fairly high enters, mids 80's to early 90's. So surely there must be good students who go there? SO what ive taken from this thread so far is that people who've never been out in the real world, had their head up their asses, never been out of their houses have prejudice opinions about the university. So do people in the workplace have the same prejudice opinion VU.
My other question as transferring, how long do u have to be at one uni to transfer to anotherand do u have to be performing reasonably well to do this?
Yes, people in the workplace often have the same opinion. I can only speak for the legal industry, however. I don't know what the other areas are like.
High ENTER does not necessarily mean high quality. It just means the course is more in demand. Of course there are some good students who choose to go there, for a variety of reasons. However, most tend to prefer Group of Eight universities because of the perceived prestige that a degree from them brings. On VN (a relatively high-achieving site), for example, you'd be hard-pressed finding someone with a VU course as their first preference.
RE: transferring - you can transfer after 1 semester or 2, depending on the course. You would generally need a credit or distinction average.
ill give some "anecdotal" evidence, there have been 3 PM's in the past that went to VU. Oh but prove it? don't worry i said so so it's anecdotal evidence ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Evidence in the form of an anecdote or hearsay
How is what you said an anecdote or hearsay?
Instead of following people's posts around and dissecting them, try to make a half-decent contribution.
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It's more evidence than you've contributed in this entire thread.
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50-60% ?? %?? firstly its a rank not percentage. Secondly some Vic uni courses need a higher ENTER than melbourne commerce so get your facts straight. Thirdly RMIT is renowned in areas such as Architecture and Accountancy so they may even compete Monash in those areas. One last thing, while Vic uni isn't the best uni, you sure as hell bet yourself that it's had some successful people in the past and the Vic Uni = TAFE thing is DRAINEDDDD.
that is all
this seems like good enough evidence.
I may be wrong, but I just checked VTAC and only one course was higher than Commerce at UoM , Law/Management ~96 ENTER and only 6 people were enrolled in this course last year...
Having some very successful graduates is of course very good to know about, but this is relative to the amount of success stories from other institutions is it not?
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50-60% ?? %?? firstly its a rank not percentage. Secondly some Vic uni courses need a higher ENTER than melbourne commerce so get your facts straight. Thirdly RMIT is renowned in areas such as Architecture and Accountancy so they may even compete Monash in those areas. One last thing, while Vic uni isn't the best uni, you sure as hell bet yourself that it's had some successful people in the past and the Vic Uni = TAFE thing is DRAINEDDDD.
that is all
this seems like good enough evidence.
I may be wrong, but I just checked VTAC and only one course was higher than Commerce at UoM , Law/Management ~96 ENTER and only 6 people were enrolled in this course last year...
Having some very successful graduates is of course very good to know about, but this is relative to the amount of success stories from other institutions is it not?
fair to say... but suggesting all graduates end up at nandos is a big statement in itself don't you agree?
Yeh of course, that would be unfair. Looking past the jokes and jibes the consensus is that the employability of graduates from VU is unfavourable compared to other more prestigous universities.
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Instead of following people's posts around and dissecting them, try to make a half-decent contribution.
It's more evidence than you've contributed in this entire thread.
Ninwa, dont make personal attacks. You're so much better than that.
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It's all relative. I'm sure those at Harvard would go LOLUOM.
That's Harvard though, being the number 1 uni (in the world) they would pretty much laugh at everyone.
At least by your hypothesis they would at least know about UoM, whereas for VU it would be different.
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Why does Harvard ALWAYS get all the glory? I mean for specific faculties (such as Mathematics and Business) it's far from being #1 (MIT and UPenn Wharton School of Business) is.
<3 Wharton. (NYU Stern is effin mad tooooo) :D
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All about supply and demand. For all you eco students out there.
If people don't want to go into a course the course get dropped or the ENTER has to get lowered to attract more students. Less students means less funding. Less funding means less resources. Less resources means less teaching staff wanting to teach there. Less teaching staff means the course looks unattractive. Unattractive courses don't look good to students. Students not taking up courses = Lower ENTER requirement. All a vicious cycle really in my personal opinion.
But at the end of the day they are still a tertiary institution. They may not be a par of the sandstone unis or part of the group of eight but they are still providing an education to those that choose to go there. And as long as people are being educated that's always a positive because they're getting skills to use.
It's a 'crap uni' because people who think they're all high and mighty attending more 'prestigious' unis like to rip on it for being a new player. Like anything in time who knows what could happen.
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lol at person who said they are shit due to exmaination techniques etc.
Some of the best uni's in US eg. MIT and Caltech have open book/take home exams lol
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Why does Harvard ALWAYS get all the glory? I mean for specific faculties (such as Mathematics and Business) it's far from being #1 (MIT and UPenn Wharton School of Business) is.
<3 Wharton. (NYU Stern is effin mad tooooo) :D
What sense are we talking about "best"? For graduate studies, for example, the best in the US for mathematics is Chicago, then Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley, if memory serves. If you go by research though (output of publications + citations, weighted accordingly) then I have no idea, though I think Harvard is near the top (they have a great algebra department). If you go by undergraduate, then I have no idea either, but it's pretty irrelevant in any case (undergrad maths is pretty meaningless in that it's the graduate stuff that's important).
I'm guessing it's similar in business as well, it depends on what way you rank universities.
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I think in the US there is kind of more diversity of 'good' unis in that there are many good places you can go in certain faculties, which may not be the best for other faculties. For instance, NYU is supposed to be better than Harvard for certain Humanities programmes. Regardless though, a degree from Harvard is pretty prestigious and most people/businesses in the world would recognise that, and sometimes you do need to cater your qualifications to what people think about them, rather than what they are.
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Why does Harvard ALWAYS get all the glory? I mean for specific faculties (such as Mathematics and Business) it's far from being #1 (MIT and UPenn Wharton School of Business) is.
<3 Wharton. (NYU Stern is effin mad tooooo) :D
Harvard on ur resume looks better though. No matter what part of the world you are in.
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i feel sorry for the guys who have put VU as their first preference, you sure have crushed their soul
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Why does Harvard ALWAYS get all the glory? I mean for specific faculties (such as Mathematics and Business) it's far from being #1 (MIT and UPenn Wharton School of Business) is.
<3 Wharton. (NYU Stern is effin mad tooooo) :D
But Harvard has won Putnam for the past 4 years or so over MIT :P
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i feel sorry for the guys who have put VU as their first preference, you sure have crushed their soul
lol i know yeah
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Just my opinion, but I reckon its the name (prestige). For example, Monash Caufield, was before a crap uni before they rebrand it as monash methinks it was chism (worse than VU (annoying ads as well)), yet now because of the rebrand, many people go to it (same place, resources, lecturers as CHISM, just a rebrand). The *real* monash is the clayton campus (which is why ENTER scores is higher in Clayton than monash caufield (and quality of courses). My uncle helps large Scale Organisations employ people, and in a company at Singapore, they specifically ask for no one from "Monash" Caufield. I also think, the location makes it bad...footscray (many associate that area with asian gangs, stabbings and murder) IMOP all nonsense). Which is why i think stupid Uni rankings are exactly that...stupid (and employers unfortunately fall for these rankings). My cuz goes to VU and she is far smarter than any person I know that goes to Melb U (she lives on her own ever since she finished VCE, and is now in a group of selected people at VU with a excellent avg. to do their last year at Lille, France). I think people are just snobbish to look down on other uni's.
I am currently enrolled to Architecture Monash Clayton, yet i put down VU as my 5 pref. i don't care even if i went there (only asian parents think otherwise) BTW, does anyone know a person that has actually gone to an American Uni from Australia, I heard its as hard as hell
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I know of Australians who've studied in the US, for both undergraduate and postgraduate. For undergraduate, you just have to ensure that you're exceptionally involved in extra-curriculars and that you complete SAT/ACT testing to a high standard.
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VU apparently has great nursing and teaching programs.
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VU apparently has great nursing and teaching programs.
you're thinking of ACU
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i would have gone to vu if they had more arts subjects
cos of the distance it would have been my first preference (after melb uni which i didnt get high enough for)
but instead i chose monash ONLY because it had many majors to choose from.
For teaching though, my uncle's wife is a curriculum coordinator and she said that vu has the best education courses,, the graduates come to work already knowing what to do and all that stuff.
ranking universities, i guess i would only care if i really wanted to get a super duper awesome job.
otherwise i reckon having a uni really close, with people who aren't snobby, is good enough.
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i would have gone to vu if they had more arts subjects
cos of the distance it would have been my first preference (after melb uni which i didnt get high enough for)
but instead i chose monash ONLY because it had many majors to choose from.
For teaching though, my uncle's wife is a curriculum coordinator and she said that vu has the best education courses,, the graduates come to work already knowing what to do and all that stuff.
ranking universities, i guess i would only care if i really wanted to get a super duper awesome job.
otherwise i reckon having a uni really close, with people who aren't snobby, is good enough.
hahahaha my friend does education there and her major assignment was to go to science works and write what she learnt, and on one of the tests one of the questions was "how much does an apple weigh"
...no offence to your aunt or anything...
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i picked VU as my first pref for what I wanted. No othe Uni offered my course the way I wanted it apart from VU
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i would have gone to vu if they had more arts subjects
cos of the distance it would have been my first preference (after melb uni which i didnt get high enough for)
but instead i chose monash ONLY because it had many majors to choose from.
For teaching though, my uncle's wife is a curriculum coordinator and she said that vu has the best education courses,, the graduates come to work already knowing what to do and all that stuff.
ranking universities, i guess i would only care if i really wanted to get a super duper awesome job.
otherwise i reckon having a uni really close, with people who aren't snobby, is good enough.
hahahaha my friend does education there and her major assignment was to go to science works and write what she learnt, and on one of the tests one of the questions was "how much does an apple weigh"
...no offence to your aunt or anything...
Srsly, what was your friend studying? That's ridiculous.
From what I can tell, VU has one of the most difficult Law courses I've seen so far. S:
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yeah, im finding VU is fine. I know people doing education this year, and i reakon that story about going to fireworks is like cake.
its a lie.
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What a bunch of snobs, yea go to Melbourne or Monash University where your going to complete the exact same degree as the one on Vic uni. The only reason Vic Uni has a lower enter for courses is because everyone applies there ,so to decrease the number of people who can qualify for the course their increase the enter. If less people apply for a course then the atar goes down it's common sense.
It just shows how ignorant and biased many of you are towards Vic Uni
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VU has typically lower ATAR requirements for admission due to lower demand compared to Melb/Monash/etc, so tends not to attract the brightest students, researchers or academic staff. Most employers (yes, generalising here) in competitive fields would pick a Melb or Monash graduate over other unis because they have a reputation for being smarter - they can assume these kids worked hard enough to beat the competition and get into the Melb/Monash course, whereas they cannot assume the VU kids got an ATAR higher than 50s/60s, even though many of them would have. Also, there is more R&D and well, actual academic work going on in Melb/Monash, with all their resources and esteemed faculty members, whereas the degrees offered at unis like VU are primarily a pathway into employment, rather than academia. Academic prowess and competitiveness on a global scale is what earns universities good rankings and reputations. The fact is, the academically inclined are more likely to avoid VU, where few important discoveries are made and few significant research papers are published.
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The quality of a cohort also makes a hugeeeee difference to your education. Vic Uni doesn't have a great cohort, so someone who wants to be pushed academically is unlikely to choose that as an option.
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True. For this reason alone, I would avoid vu like the plague.
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I wouldn't be so negative towards VU, I now live in the east, about 10 mins from Monash and Deakin, so that's where I want to be, I didn't even put down any Melbourne or anything else, all my preferences were Monash and Deakin, cause they're close!
But if I lived in the west where VU was the only option, there wouldn't be any reason why I'd avoid it, I just don't think it's right to say "oh VU is shit because it needs low ATARs", in fact, one of my friends went to VU for Law, and she's now training to be a barrister, so it's not bad at all, she said that the lecturers were genuine and helpful and that the other students were good friends, so I don't think there's anything wrong with VU, there's just some really bad stigma about it which it really doesn't deserve