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National Education => General National Education Discussion => Vocational Studies and Applied Learning => Topic started by: ben92 on September 26, 2010, 10:24:20 pm
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What the hell is VCAL?
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It's what all the smart kids who want to be doctors and lawyers do...
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Just like the VCE, the VCAL is an accredited senior secondary school qualification undertaken in Years 11 and 12. The VCAL is based on hands-on learning, also known as "applied learning".
If you choose to do the VCAL instead of the VCE, you will gain practical experience and 'employability' skills, as well as the skills you will need to go onto further training in the workplace or at a TAFE.
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^ That sounds so pretty!~ We have about 15 students doing VCAL and they're all stoners... No rumors, its the truth.
VCAL seems to be the "easy way out" for kids that have to stay in school because of their parents, I'm not 'bagging' VCAL because if you're actually willing to do a trade and accomplish something, then VCAL is great- otherwise.. Loads of stoners take it.
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So it's like TAFE for high schoolers?
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Well, I'm not a 100% sure, but at my school the VCAL kids go to school 3 days a week, 1 day at TAFE and the other at their future workplace e.g plumber.
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Only 15? We have ~60 haha
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most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
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who the fuck would go to a private school if you're just gonna do vcal....
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who the fuck would go to a private school if you're just gonna do vcal....
exactly my point
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instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year
maybe they got a scholarship
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nah, they are just spuds, with equally as spud parents that think that pushing their kid to complete year 12 will ultimately benefit them.
Honestly they infuriate me, one of the vcal kids stated the only reason he is staying in school is so that he has a valid reason to go on schoolies.
they struggle
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most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
True it's a stupid idea, but why should it matter to us? It's not our money, it's theirs, and it's their choice. Doesn't affect us at all. If they want to spend 18k to have their kid do VCAL, let them be.
(However that money could be much better spent... MUCH better spent)
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most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
True it's a stupid idea, but why should it matter to us? It's not our money, it's theirs, and it's their choice. Doesn't affect us at all. If they want to spend 18k to have their kid do VCAL, let them be.
(However that money could be much better spent... MUCH better spent)
Isn't that line of reasoning a bit selfish? Furthermore don't our taxes go to funding these programs? They're run by the government after all.
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who the fuck would go to a private school if you're just gonna do vcal....
exactly my point
LOL WTF. 18K?!
Jeesh, i feel very sorry for those parents.
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most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
True it's a stupid idea, but why should it matter to us? It's not our money, it's theirs, and it's their choice. Doesn't affect us at all. If they want to spend 18k to have their kid do VCAL, let them be.
(However that money could be much better spent... MUCH better spent)
Isn't that line of reasoning a bit selfish? Furthermore don't our taxes go to funding these programs? They're run by the government after all.
Sorry which line of reasoning is selfish? I'm a bit confused at where you're headed lol.
Well I guess if those parents could afford 18k for their kids, obviously they're earning a heap, meaning they would contribute quite a bit to the taxes as well?
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I think I misread your tone - did you mean to imply we shouldn't judge the program because it's none of our business rather than because it isn't our problem? At first I read it as the former.
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I think I misread your tone - did you mean to imply we shouldn't judge the program because it's none of our business rather than because it isn't our problem? At first I read it as the former.
Lol yeah you probably misinterpreted it (or my mistake for being so ambiguous) :P
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Very Crap At Learning
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Very Crap At Learning
At our school its....
VERY CRAP AT LIFE
Btw don't shoot the messenger haha
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I've got a motto which i've been using for a couple years:
You put the K in VKAL.
(Pun on the intelligence of members of the VCAL community)
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I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
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18k to do VCAL or 18k to get into a medicine course/business course.
Iunno, the second option sounds better.
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Don't get me wrong, plumbers make a ffffffffek load of money.
My uncles a plumber (air conditioning/heating type) and he is making the big bucks.
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working as a plumber = profit $$$$$
haha yep. mmm
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as far as i know VCAL is for the uhum less intelectual peoples
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working as a plumber = profit $$$$$
haha yep. mmm
Seriously... They do, don't take trade people lightly.
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I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.
Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
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working as a plumber = profit $$$$$
haha yep. mmm
Seriously... They do, don't take trade people lightly.
i know. jealous kinda. lol
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That being said, I have a friend who was an apprentice for a while and said it was ridiculously boring and physically strenuous. He didn't last very long and he's going to uni next year. Also, private schools are more about status than education anyway.
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That being said, I have a friend who was an apprentice for a while and said it was ridiculously boring and physically strenuous. He didn't last very long and he's going to uni next year. Also, private schools are more about status than education anyway.
+100000000000000000000000.
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plumbers make good money, but i'd rather be in the medical field then working with shit all day. literally.
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Umm, plumbing isn't dealing with shit all day...
Theres different types of plumbing.
P.S Medical field? You'll be dealing with blood, vomit, shit, disease, depression etc..
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Umm, plumbing isn't dealing with shit all day...
Theres different types of plumbing.
P.S Medical field? You'll be dealing with blood, vomit, shit, disease, depression etc..
Not if you specialise. Be a neurologist/surgeon and you'll be dealing with nice softy mushy brains :)
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plumbers make good money, but i'd rather be in the medical field then working with shit all day. literally.
Yeh, think you hit the nail on the head there.
Trade people-Excellent money, shit, boring, mindless drivel is their work.
Professionals- Exciting work, good money.
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Umm, plumbing isn't dealing with shit all day...
Theres different types of plumbing.
P.S Medical field? You'll be dealing with blood, vomit, shit, disease, depression etc..
Not if you specialise. Be a neurologist/surgeon and you'll be dealing with nice softy mushy brains :)
True dat.
@ MBBS - It would get boring after a while, work is still work.
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then again a recent article said women prefer men who work in a trade just because they have "good physiques", are more likely to pull a sicky to spend a day at the beach, etc.
imo that's retarded. The population of women was around early twenties.
p.s you guys saying electricians make 300k+ a year, gl making that in your first year let alone first 10 years. unless you have family or start your own business, you're not gonna be making "all that".
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Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
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This might sound stupid, but is VET in any way related to VCAL or TAFE?
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LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
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This might sound stupid, but is VET in any way related to VCAL or TAFE?
What I do know is that while VET and VCAL are secondary education programs (e.g. high school) TAFE is a tertiary program, meaning you would do it in place of university.
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Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.
Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K
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LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
p.s i know a doctor who owns a 9.5mill house, whats your point?
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LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
you pay him too much
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LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
you pay him too much
Not neccesarily. A 27yo with a modest salary who only has to support himself and really likes cars could easily afford that, if that's his big priority. My maths teacher works at a crappy public school, but she has an expensive car, lives in Brighton and goes overseas every year because she doesn't have any children that she has to support. It's just about where you place your priorities.
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Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.
Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K
He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
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Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.
Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K
He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
A lot of tradespeople who own a business and thrive with them are usually quite well off. I cannot confirm exactly how much that they earn but I know a plumber who is in the same situation as your electrician.
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I know first hand :P If they own a successful business.. GG, they earn a LOT.
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Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.
Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K
He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't
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I know first hand :P If they own a successful business.. GG, they earn a LOT.
Well if anyone owns a successful business, they will earn a lot.
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He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
Well he hardly counts as an Electrician anymore...He's a successful business owner.
Anyone can do it.
ok then.
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He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
Well he hardly counts as an Electrician anymore...He's a successful business owner.
Anyone can do it.
ok then.
MBBS, stick to stuff you know.
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Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.
Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K
He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't
That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.
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That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.
@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so..
@ They're all rich
No? Normal tradesmen are middle-classed, but they have the potential to become upper-class. People that own businesses or are partners of a trades business aren't technically tradesmen (from my perspective), they're business owners that visit on site etc. Most bosses don't do
Whats your definition of rich?
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Rich=180k+ a year imo.
@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so, pal.
Depends where they do their apprenticeship, if they do it with a person who works for themselves it's very very different to doing it with a union etc.
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Rich=180k+ a year imo.
@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so, pal.
Depends where they do their apprenticeship, if they do it with a person who works for themselves it's very very different to doing it with a union etc.
I edited what I said earlier*
Most apprenticeship takers want to be with a union, the union are great.
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Personally, I know most of my mates who want to go into trades are trying to secure private apprenticeship, the union isn't that great. TBPH I don't really care about the matter, it's my view that if you're an electrician with a bit of intelligence, you can set up a business and rake in money. Otherwise yes being an electrician can be an extremely shit job.
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Desk jobs can be shit too.. The union is great because of how secure it is imo.
I don't really care about the matter that much either :P There is no chance that I could do back breaking work like they do, i'm a girl.
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^^
I don't know too much about the Union, hence will not go further into it. My uncle is part of the union and I know he makes 110k a year exactly. The hours are shit, it's back breaking (in this case literally) and overall shit work.
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MBBS, stick to stuff you know.
Hutchoo, careful there. MBBS has the right to express their opinion.
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I don't know too much about the Union, hence will not go further into it. My uncle is part of the union and I know he makes 110k a year exactly. The hours are shit, it's back breaking (in this case literally) and overall shit work.
Much like a concreter. Good money but extremely arduous.
In conclusion, it's like with a university degree. It's not what sort of qualification you have, but what you decide to do with it that ultimately counts.
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Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.
I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.
Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K
He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't
That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.
you don't think i know much about tradesmen? who are you? just because "your electrician" makes alot, you generalise this for the whole population? lmao kid, you're an idiot.
p.s my brother has been working in different trades since he was 18 ranging from tiling to plumbing to flooring (current, he's at perth for 2 months working on a huge job). I have cousins who do trades, i think i know a thing or too.
Now, i never said anything bad about trades, but your generalisations are jusr retarded, if it was that easy everyone would be getting into a trade. why the fuck do you think australia is losing tradee's and are need of a fuckload. Must be because nobody wants easy money in access of 100-300k+ yea?
if you're trolling, well done. if you're not, i feel sorry for you.
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MBBS, stick to stuff you know.
Hutchoo, careful there. MBBS has the right to express their opinion.
Of course, everyone is allowed to express their opinion, but MBBS was stating 'facts' that weren't valid.
Other than that, he had some good statements.
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MBBS, stick to stuff you know.
Hutchoo, careful there. MBBS has the right to express their opinion.
Of course, everyone is allowed to express their opinion, but MBBS was stating 'facts' that weren't valid.
Other than that, he had some good statements.
sup hutchoo from BA (:
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EVERYONE KNOWS ME. WHO ARE YOU!?
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EVERYONE KNOWS ME. WHO ARE YOU!?
I don't and yet you will be in my VCE cohort. The irony is hilarious :P
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WHAT! VCE COHORT? WHO ARE YOU?
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WHAT! VCE COHORT? WHO ARE YOU?
You misunderstand me. All i meant was that you will be doing VCE Year 12 when I will b doing it. We are not at the same schools, I assure you :P
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Oh phew~ Yes, very ironic. I go to a average school anyway :(
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MBBS, stick to stuff you know.
Hutchoo, careful there. MBBS has the right to express their opinion.
Of course, everyone is allowed to express their opinion, but MBBS was stating 'facts' that weren't valid.
Other than that, he had some good statements.
Yeh sorry, 300k+ is a bit of a hyperbole. They can make a lot though. My 2 cousins are painters and I know they live very very comfortably.
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Yeah, 300k is a chunk of cash. My uncle, who is a qualified plumber earns ~80-90k+ a year.. He lives very, very comfortably as well.
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Listen by comparison, my mate is an apprentice electrician and works with a very good family friend of his. He told me honestly and seriously that he hopes to earn ~200k a year ultimately, that's the figure his master quoted.
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200k for one guy, that doesn't own a business etc?
That seems very unrealistic.
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^ "he hopes to earn"
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I hope to earn >9000 billion dollars.. Doesn't mean its realistic.
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Well, it's a bit of a special circumstance so not really credulous to the argument. His mother passed away and one of his big brother's best mates took him as an apprentice. The master has a lot of guys working for him and so will show him how to set up successfully, get him on his feet business-wise, he told him at that point he can expect to be earning approx 200k. So yes, it's incredulous to the argument but nevertheless he is an electrician and he is earning a truckload.
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what is he earning now?
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He's 17, have got no clue.
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VCAL is VCE, but unlike VCE you learn skills in VCAL. VCE is a big pre-entrance uni test.
Private schools as a whole are bullshit.
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lolz. vcal.
lolz.
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So this whole forum is just one topic? :P
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I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school.
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I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school.
What sort of private schools? If it's your top-tier private schools, then no. Some Catholic schools may offer it if you consider them private and not a category on its own.
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I should have been more specific... haha. I did mean the top-tier private schools. I go to a Catholic school where they offer VCAL. Thanks for clearing that up anyway!
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my schools privit, it offfers Vcal, n we have like 16-20kids or something, and fairly small skool, only 400students.
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I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school.
My school doesn't offer VCAL seriously theres not that much point paying to go to a private school and doing VCAL unless they are on a scholarship...on the other hand, why would someone on a scholarship do VCAL anyway...
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I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school.
My school doesn't offer VCAL seriously theres not that much point paying to go to a private school and doing VCAL unless they are on a scholarship...on the other hand, why would someone on a scholarship do VCAL anyway...
lol scholarship for vcal .. probably got into the school since good at sport or something :/
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my brother did vcal, nailed it too!
he would have found this site beneficial... :(
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my brother did vcal, nailed it too!
he would have found this site beneficial... :(
i dont think vcal students study nything.
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my brother did vcal, nailed it too!
he would have found this site beneficial... :(
i dont think vcal students study nything.
... you think?
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Haven't read the whole thread but is the general consensus that VCAL is dumb?
What about VET?
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VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.
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VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.
Bit harsh...
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VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.
Bit harsh...
I still lol'd.
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VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.
Bit harsh...
I still lol'd.
So did I, still harsh though (and smart)
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Not joking, a VCALer from my school just uploaded a pic of their creation for the day - a cut out of a paper star made into a necklace.
I seriously chose the wrong path.
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its pretty much for people who dont want to go on to futher study just work
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Wait you learn while doing VCAL?
I always thought it was the Victorian Certificate of Attempted Learning
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People seriously need to stop bashing the Victorian Certificate of Applied Learning. Just because you're all a bunch of smartarses that can't comprehend that some people actually want to work towards a trade-based career path. That does not make them stupid people, or any less of a person than you are. In fact, you are the lesser person by taking your given talent for granted.
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VCAL is offered at my school and roughly a quarter of the year level (approximately 50 out of a year level of 200) decide to pursue this path. It offers Literacy, Numeracy and other VET subjects and it offers a more job-orientated experience, which is more suitable than VCE for some career paths. In years 11 and 12, a VCAL student attends two days of school, two days of TAFE and one day at a work placement. It is a fabulous way to gain genuine work skills and still receive a certificate of education.
A lot of employers now expect a certain level of education from their apprentices and very few Year 10 dropouts tend to gain apprenticeships. Most teenagers that receive an apprenticeship are either VCAL students or full-time TAFE students, these days.
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Wait you learn while doing VCAL?
I always thought it was the Victorian Certificate of Attempted Learning
alot of people at my school do vcal with vce.Half of them do methods and 3 other subjects to get there vce.But they make 10k while doing it.