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Title: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: ben92 on September 26, 2010, 10:24:20 pm
What the hell is VCAL?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: martindagun on September 26, 2010, 10:38:44 pm
It's what all the smart kids who want to be doctors and lawyers do...
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: tcg93 on September 26, 2010, 10:41:31 pm
Just like the VCE, the VCAL is an accredited senior secondary school qualification undertaken in Years 11 and 12. The VCAL is based on hands-on learning, also known as "applied learning".

If you choose to do the VCAL instead of the VCE, you will gain practical experience and 'employability' skills, as well as the skills you will need to go onto further training in the workplace or at a TAFE.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on September 26, 2010, 10:55:13 pm
^ That sounds so pretty!~ We have about 15 students doing VCAL and they're all stoners... No rumors, its the truth.

VCAL seems to be the "easy way out" for kids that have to stay in school because of their parents, I'm not 'bagging' VCAL because if you're actually willing to do a trade and accomplish something, then VCAL is great- otherwise.. Loads of stoners take it.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: ben92 on September 26, 2010, 11:09:43 pm
So it's like TAFE for high schoolers?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on September 26, 2010, 11:24:31 pm
Well, I'm not a 100% sure, but at my school the VCAL kids go to school 3 days a week, 1 day at TAFE and the other at their future workplace e.g plumber.

Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: luken93 on September 26, 2010, 11:31:33 pm
Only 15? We have ~60 haha
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Greggler on September 27, 2010, 09:05:48 am
most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on September 27, 2010, 10:18:37 am
who the fuck would go to a private school if you're just gonna do vcal....
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Greggler on September 27, 2010, 11:39:19 am
who the fuck would go to a private school if you're just gonna do vcal....
exactly my point
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: 98.40_for_sure on September 27, 2010, 11:42:55 am
instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year
maybe they got a scholarship
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Greggler on September 27, 2010, 12:02:38 pm
nah, they are just spuds, with equally as spud parents that think that pushing their kid to complete year 12 will ultimately benefit them.
Honestly they infuriate me, one of the vcal kids stated the only reason he is staying in school is so that he has a valid reason to go on schoolies.
they struggle
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: akira88 on September 27, 2010, 12:23:38 pm
most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
True it's a stupid idea, but why should it matter to us? It's not our money, it's theirs, and it's their choice. Doesn't affect us at all. If they want to spend 18k to have their kid do VCAL, let them be.
(However that money could be much better spent... MUCH better spent)
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: ben92 on September 27, 2010, 12:26:10 pm
most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
True it's a stupid idea, but why should it matter to us? It's not our money, it's theirs, and it's their choice. Doesn't affect us at all. If they want to spend 18k to have their kid do VCAL, let them be.
(However that money could be much better spent... MUCH better spent)

Isn't that line of reasoning a bit selfish? Furthermore don't our taxes go to funding these programs? They're run by the government after all.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on September 27, 2010, 09:06:35 pm
who the fuck would go to a private school if you're just gonna do vcal....
exactly my point

LOL WTF. 18K?!
Jeesh, i feel very sorry for those parents.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: akira88 on September 28, 2010, 06:28:32 pm
most stupid idea ever. why dont they just send the kids out to get a trade at yr 10. that way they could all finish their apprenticeships when they're around 18 or 19. instead kids at our school are paying 18K a year or something along those lines, to go to school 4 days a week; when they're just going to get a trade anyway.
True it's a stupid idea, but why should it matter to us? It's not our money, it's theirs, and it's their choice. Doesn't affect us at all. If they want to spend 18k to have their kid do VCAL, let them be.
(However that money could be much better spent... MUCH better spent)

Isn't that line of reasoning a bit selfish? Furthermore don't our taxes go to funding these programs? They're run by the government after all.
Sorry which line of reasoning is selfish? I'm a bit confused at where you're headed lol.
Well I guess if those parents could afford 18k for their kids, obviously they're earning a heap, meaning they would contribute quite a bit to the taxes as well?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: ben92 on September 28, 2010, 07:05:34 pm
I think I misread your tone - did you mean to imply we shouldn't judge the program because it's none of our business rather than because it isn't our problem? At first I read it as the former.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: akira88 on September 28, 2010, 08:08:22 pm
I think I misread your tone - did you mean to imply we shouldn't judge the program because it's none of our business rather than because it isn't our problem? At first I read it as the former.
Lol yeah you probably misinterpreted it (or my mistake for being so ambiguous) :P
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: tkjnz on September 29, 2010, 03:26:55 am
Very Crap At Learning
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: luken93 on September 29, 2010, 01:10:00 pm
Very Crap At Learning
At our school its....
VERY CRAP AT LIFE

Btw don't shoot the messenger haha
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on September 29, 2010, 04:49:36 pm
I've got a motto which i've been using for a couple years:

You put the K in VKAL.
(Pun on the intelligence of members of the VCAL community)

Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: appianway on October 02, 2010, 01:24:40 pm
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 02, 2010, 01:45:06 pm
18k to do VCAL or 18k to get into a medicine course/business course.
Iunno, the second option sounds better.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 02, 2010, 02:36:34 pm
Don't get me wrong, plumbers make a ffffffffek load of money.
My uncles a plumber (air conditioning/heating type) and he is making the big bucks.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: TrueLight on October 02, 2010, 04:15:46 pm
working as a plumber = profit $$$$$

haha yep. mmm
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Inside Out on October 02, 2010, 04:18:30 pm
as far as i know VCAL is for the uhum less intelectual peoples
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 02, 2010, 04:39:57 pm
working as a plumber = profit $$$$$

haha yep. mmm

Seriously... They do, don't take trade people lightly.



Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 02, 2010, 04:50:02 pm
I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.  

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: TrueLight on October 02, 2010, 04:57:16 pm
working as a plumber = profit $$$$$

haha yep. mmm

Seriously... They do, don't take trade people lightly.


i know.  jealous kinda. lol
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: schmalex on October 02, 2010, 05:24:03 pm
That being said, I have a friend who was an apprentice for a while and said it was ridiculously boring and physically strenuous. He didn't last very long and he's going to uni next year. Also, private schools are more about status than education anyway.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 02, 2010, 05:27:26 pm
That being said, I have a friend who was an apprentice for a while and said it was ridiculously boring and physically strenuous. He didn't last very long and he's going to uni next year. Also, private schools are more about status than education anyway.
+100000000000000000000000.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 03, 2010, 04:56:56 pm
plumbers make good money, but i'd rather be in the medical field then working with shit all day. literally.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 03, 2010, 05:00:08 pm
Umm, plumbing isn't dealing with shit all day...
Theres different types of plumbing.

P.S Medical field? You'll be dealing with blood, vomit, shit, disease, depression etc..
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: iNerd on October 03, 2010, 05:02:13 pm
Umm, plumbing isn't dealing with shit all day...
Theres different types of plumbing.

P.S Medical field? You'll be dealing with blood, vomit, shit, disease, depression etc..
Not if you specialise. Be a neurologist/surgeon and you'll be dealing with nice softy mushy brains :)
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 03, 2010, 05:02:53 pm
plumbers make good money, but i'd rather be in the medical field then working with shit all day. literally.

Yeh, think you hit the nail on the head there.

Trade people-Excellent money, shit, boring, mindless drivel is their work.

Professionals- Exciting work, good money.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 03, 2010, 05:09:54 pm
Umm, plumbing isn't dealing with shit all day...
Theres different types of plumbing.

P.S Medical field? You'll be dealing with blood, vomit, shit, disease, depression etc..
Not if you specialise. Be a neurologist/surgeon and you'll be dealing with nice softy mushy brains :)

True dat.

@ MBBS - It would get boring after a while, work is still work.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 03, 2010, 08:25:15 pm
then again a recent article said women prefer men who work in a trade just because they have "good physiques", are more likely to pull a sicky to spend a day at the beach, etc.

imo that's retarded. The population of women was around early twenties.

p.s you guys saying electricians make 300k+ a year, gl making that in your first year let alone first 10 years. unless you have family or start your own business, you're not gonna be making "all that".
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 03, 2010, 08:37:22 pm
Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Chromeo33 on October 04, 2010, 10:36:20 pm
This might sound stupid, but is VET in any way related to VCAL or TAFE?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 04, 2010, 10:56:39 pm
LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: ben92 on October 05, 2010, 05:45:11 pm
This might sound stupid, but is VET in any way related to VCAL or TAFE?

What I do know is that while VET and VCAL are secondary education programs (e.g. high school) TAFE is a tertiary program, meaning you would do it in place of university.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 05, 2010, 05:49:13 pm
Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.  

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 05, 2010, 05:51:41 pm
LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
p.s i know a doctor who owns a 9.5mill house, whats your point?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: 2317 on October 05, 2010, 06:07:30 pm

LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
you pay him too much
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: schmalex on October 06, 2010, 09:27:51 pm

LOL my electrician is 27. He owns a Ferrari and is looking at a Lamborghini. Enough said.
you pay him too much

Not neccesarily. A 27yo with a modest salary who only has to support himself and really likes cars could easily afford that, if that's his big priority. My maths teacher works at a crappy public school, but she has an expensive car, lives in Brighton and goes overseas every year because she doesn't have any children that she has to support. It's just about where you place your priorities. 
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 07, 2010, 06:55:00 pm
Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Gloamglozer on October 07, 2010, 10:52:11 pm
Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

A lot of tradespeople who own a business and thrive with them are usually quite well off.  I cannot confirm exactly how much that they earn but I know a plumber who is in the same situation as your electrician.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 07, 2010, 10:56:23 pm
I know first hand :P If they own a successful business.. GG, they earn a LOT.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 08, 2010, 03:36:52 pm
Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: akira88 on October 08, 2010, 04:03:37 pm
I know first hand :P If they own a successful business.. GG, they earn a LOT.
Well if anyone owns a successful business, they will earn a lot.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: IntoTheNewWorld on October 08, 2010, 04:08:18 pm
He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

Well he hardly counts as an Electrician anymore...He's a successful business owner.

Anyone can do it.

ok then.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 04:14:28 pm
He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.

Well he hardly counts as an Electrician anymore...He's a successful business owner.

Anyone can do it.

ok then.



MBBS, stick to stuff you know.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 08, 2010, 04:17:40 pm
Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR.  

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't


That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 04:26:47 pm
Quote
That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.
@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so..
@ They're all rich
No? Normal tradesmen are middle-classed, but they have the potential to become upper-class. People that own businesses or are partners of a trades business aren't technically tradesmen (from my perspective), they're business owners that visit on site etc. Most bosses don't do
Whats your definition of rich?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 08, 2010, 04:29:33 pm
Rich=180k+ a year imo.

@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so, pal.

Depends where they do their apprenticeship, if they do it with a person who works for themselves it's very very different to doing it with a union etc. 

Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 04:31:00 pm
Rich=180k+ a year imo.

@ They work for themselves.
Umm.. Don't think so, pal.

Depends where they do their apprenticeship, if they do it with a person who works for themselves it's very very different to doing it with a union etc. 

I edited what I said earlier*
Most apprenticeship takers want to be with a union, the union are great.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 08, 2010, 04:35:29 pm
Personally, I know most of my mates who want to go into trades are trying to secure private apprenticeship, the union isn't that great. TBPH I don't really care about the matter, it's my view that if you're an electrician with a bit of intelligence, you can set up a business and rake in money. Otherwise yes being an electrician can be an extremely shit job.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 05:08:50 pm
Desk jobs can be shit too.. The union is great because of how secure it is imo.
I don't really care about the matter that much either :P There is no chance that I could do back breaking work like they do, i'm a girl.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 08, 2010, 05:33:47 pm
^^
I don't know too much about the Union, hence will not go further into it. My uncle is part of the union and I know he makes 110k a year exactly. The hours are shit, it's back breaking (in this case literally) and overall shit work.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Gloamglozer on October 08, 2010, 07:13:05 pm
MBBS, stick to stuff you know.

Hutchoo, careful there.  MBBS has the right to express their opinion.

^^
I don't know too much about the Union, hence will not go further into it. My uncle is part of the union and I know he makes 110k a year exactly. The hours are shit, it's back breaking (in this case literally) and overall shit work.

Much like a concreter.  Good money but extremely arduous.

In conclusion, it's like with a university degree.  It's not what sort of qualification you have, but what you decide to do with it that ultimately counts. 
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 08, 2010, 07:30:13 pm
Who the hell said 300k? 300k for a professional is a big ask!
120k+ for business owners (generally).

I think that the investment in a private education for students studying VCAL is sometimes good. As stipulated in the other threads, private schools often have more personal support for students. If a student, irrespective of intelligence, can benefit from these extra curriculars, and the family can afford it, why not? Some of the students who take VCAL struggle academically and private schools might have the resources to give them the assistance they need to obtain basic literacy and numeracy. In my opinion, that's money better spent than 18k on someone who is able to get into biomedicine instead of commerce due to an increased ATAR. 

I think the point your trying to make here is that the fundamentals of education are the most important component. That someone who is struggling and would otherwise be a total ignoramus will now understand the basics of Mathematics and English etc. Your point is that these fundamentals are far more important then the absolute elite getting into their desired course. I have to agree with you there.

Also, none of us should be kidding ourselves. If you want to make money, you become a trade person in this country. We are one of the only countries in the world where trade people make more than professionals and be under no allusion, you will not make more than your local electrician. You will be doing something that is far more fulfilling for the rest of your life as it stimulates you intellectually, but electricians in this country can very easily make $300k+ a year.

MBBS you needa get your facts right before you start saying bullshit elaborate more on "electricians" before stating they can easily make 300K

He owns a business and has several other electricians working for him. He is just a smart guy who is an electrician and has got him self in a nice set-up. Anyone can do it.
right, so he owns a business. your statement was pretty much "any electrician in aus can make 300k+" which is false. for every 1 tradesman who ownsa a business, there's at least 10+ who don't


That's not true at all. I don't think you know much at all about tradesmen. More often then not, they work for themselves. All the money they make is effectively tax-free as it's cash in hand. I go to a school with over 30% VCAL, this accurately reflects the demographics of their parents. I've met a lot of tradies, they're all rich.
you don't think i know much about tradesmen? who are you? just because "your electrician" makes alot, you generalise this for the whole population? lmao kid, you're an idiot.

p.s my brother has been working in different trades since he was 18 ranging from tiling to plumbing to flooring (current, he's at perth for 2 months working on a huge job). I have cousins who do trades, i think i know a thing or too.
Now, i never said anything bad about trades, but your generalisations are jusr retarded, if it was that easy everyone would be getting into a trade. why the fuck do you think australia is losing tradee's and are need of a fuckload. Must be because nobody wants easy money in access of 100-300k+ yea?

if you're trolling, well done. if you're not, i feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 07:47:12 pm
MBBS, stick to stuff you know.

Hutchoo, careful there.  MBBS has the right to express their opinion.
Of course, everyone is allowed to express their opinion, but MBBS was stating 'facts' that weren't valid.
Other than that, he had some good statements.

Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 08, 2010, 08:25:30 pm
MBBS, stick to stuff you know.

Hutchoo, careful there.  MBBS has the right to express their opinion.
Of course, everyone is allowed to express their opinion, but MBBS was stating 'facts' that weren't valid.
Other than that, he had some good statements.



sup hutchoo from BA (:
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 08:27:28 pm
EVERYONE KNOWS ME. WHO ARE YOU!?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: iNerd on October 08, 2010, 08:29:09 pm
EVERYONE KNOWS ME. WHO ARE YOU!?
I don't and yet you will be in my VCE cohort. The irony is hilarious :P
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 08:33:17 pm
WHAT! VCE COHORT? WHO ARE YOU?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: iNerd on October 08, 2010, 08:34:29 pm
WHAT! VCE COHORT? WHO ARE YOU?
You misunderstand me. All i meant was that you will be doing VCE Year 12 when I will b doing it. We are not at the same schools, I assure you :P
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 08:36:18 pm
Oh phew~ Yes, very ironic. I go to a average school anyway :(
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 08, 2010, 08:36:37 pm
MBBS, stick to stuff you know.

Hutchoo, careful there.  MBBS has the right to express their opinion.
Of course, everyone is allowed to express their opinion, but MBBS was stating 'facts' that weren't valid.
Other than that, he had some good statements.



Yeh sorry, 300k+ is a bit of a hyperbole. They can make a lot though. My 2 cousins are painters and I know they live very very comfortably.  
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 08:41:27 pm
Yeah, 300k is a chunk of cash. My uncle, who is a qualified plumber earns ~80-90k+ a year.. He lives very, very comfortably as well.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 08, 2010, 09:34:33 pm
Listen by comparison, my mate is an apprentice electrician and works with a very good family friend of his. He told me honestly and seriously that he hopes to earn ~200k a year ultimately, that's the figure his master quoted.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 09:41:13 pm
200k for one guy, that doesn't own a business etc?
That seems very unrealistic.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 08, 2010, 10:04:44 pm
^ "he hopes to earn"
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on October 08, 2010, 10:36:27 pm
I hope to earn >9000 billion dollars.. Doesn't mean its realistic.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 08, 2010, 10:44:43 pm
Well, it's a bit of a special circumstance so not really credulous to the argument. His mother passed away and one of his big brother's best mates took him as an apprentice. The master has a lot of guys working for him and so will show him how to set up successfully, get him on his feet business-wise, he told him at that point he can expect to be earning approx 200k. So yes, it's incredulous to the argument but nevertheless he is an electrician and he is earning a truckload.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: letsride on October 08, 2010, 11:08:58 pm
what is he earning now?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: MBBS on October 09, 2010, 10:57:53 am
He's 17, have got no clue.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: schnappy on November 05, 2010, 07:29:18 pm
VCAL is VCE, but unlike VCE you learn skills in VCAL. VCE is a big pre-entrance uni test.

Private schools as a whole are bullshit.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hellhole on December 18, 2010, 03:21:33 pm
lolz. vcal.
lolz.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: bomb on December 24, 2010, 04:43:29 pm
So this whole forum is just one topic? :P
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: ProtonStar on February 16, 2011, 04:05:11 pm
I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school. 
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Gloamglozer on February 16, 2011, 04:34:30 pm
I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school. 

What sort of private schools?  If it's your top-tier private schools, then no.  Some Catholic schools may offer it if you consider them private and not a category on its own.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: ProtonStar on February 16, 2011, 04:51:57 pm
I should have been more specific... haha. I did mean the top-tier private schools. I go to a Catholic school where they offer VCAL. Thanks for clearing that up anyway!
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Respect on March 07, 2011, 11:08:08 pm
my schools privit, it offfers Vcal, n we have like 16-20kids or something, and fairly small skool, only 400students.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: lilaznkev1n on May 22, 2011, 02:57:33 pm
I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school. 
My school doesn't offer VCAL seriously theres not that much point paying to go to a private school and doing VCAL unless they are on a scholarship...on the other hand, why would someone on a scholarship do VCAL anyway...
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Respect on May 22, 2011, 03:09:47 pm
I have a question. I haven't browsed through previous posts in this topic, so the question may already have been addressed, but do private schools offer VCAL? It would be rather redundant paying more $10,000 more per annum for VCAL at a private school where it would be just as efficient at a public school. 
My school doesn't offer VCAL seriously theres not that much point paying to go to a private school and doing VCAL unless they are on a scholarship...on the other hand, why would someone on a scholarship do VCAL anyway...

lol scholarship for vcal .. probably got into the school since good at sport or something :/
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: yusuke on May 23, 2011, 01:45:04 pm
my brother did vcal, nailed it too!

he would have found this site beneficial... :(
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Respect on May 23, 2011, 08:01:38 pm
my brother did vcal, nailed it too!

he would have found this site beneficial... :(

i dont think vcal students study nything.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Ghost! on May 23, 2011, 09:08:04 pm
my brother did vcal, nailed it too!

he would have found this site beneficial... :(

i dont think vcal students study nything.

... you think?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: iNerd on May 23, 2011, 09:09:46 pm
Haven't read the whole thread but is the general consensus that VCAL is dumb?

What about VET?
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Madic74 on June 15, 2011, 07:01:18 pm
VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: pi on June 30, 2011, 06:30:44 pm
VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.

Bit harsh...
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Hutchoo on July 01, 2011, 07:44:00 pm
VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.

Bit harsh...
I still lol'd.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: pi on July 01, 2011, 09:36:03 pm
VCAL at my school study string theory... and by string theory, I mean tying their shoelaces.

Bit harsh...
I still lol'd.

So did I, still harsh though (and smart)
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: luken93 on July 01, 2011, 09:44:00 pm
Not joking, a VCALer from my school just uploaded a pic of their creation for the day - a cut out of a paper star made into a necklace.

I seriously chose the wrong path.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: kateaugu on August 23, 2011, 11:24:19 pm
its pretty much for people who dont want to go on to futher study just work
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: trickster245 on January 18, 2012, 08:38:01 pm
Wait you learn while doing VCAL?
I always thought it was the Victorian Certificate of Attempted Learning
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: Stick on January 18, 2012, 08:51:35 pm
People seriously need to stop bashing the Victorian Certificate of Applied Learning. Just because you're all a bunch of smartarses that can't comprehend that some people actually want to work towards a trade-based career path. That does not make them stupid people, or any less of a person than you are. In fact, you are the lesser person by taking your given talent for granted.

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VCAL is offered at my school and roughly a quarter of the year level (approximately 50 out of a year level of 200) decide to pursue this path. It offers Literacy, Numeracy and other VET subjects and it offers a more job-orientated experience, which is more suitable than VCE for some career paths. In years 11 and 12, a VCAL student attends two days of school, two days of TAFE and one day at a work placement. It is a fabulous way to gain genuine work skills and still receive a certificate of education.

A lot of employers now expect a certain level of education from their apprentices and very few Year 10 dropouts tend to gain apprenticeships. Most teenagers that receive an apprenticeship are either VCAL students or full-time TAFE students, these days.
Title: Re: What the hell is VCAL?
Post by: unfamila on June 21, 2012, 05:39:11 pm
Wait you learn while doing VCAL?
I always thought it was the Victorian Certificate of Attempted Learning
alot of people at my school do vcal with vce.Half of them do methods and 3 other subjects to get there vce.But they make 10k while doing it.