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Title: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on December 05, 2011, 06:36:53 pm
How to choose a CAS calculator?

Although in some studies (only Further Mathematics), normal non-CAS calculators are allowed too, I would recommend the sole use of CAS calculators for VCAA exams. Furthermore, I would highly recommend purchasing CAS calculators first-hand sometime in year 10 and then use that CAS throughout your VCE studies. Try not to change calculators during your VCE, as it is very important that you not only know how maximise your usage of your CAS, but also have confidence with your skills, and these only comes with experience. A distinction between CAS and non-CAS graphics calculators can be found here.


Calculator use for VCAA Mathematics
Quote from: VCAA
Further Mathematics
Either one approved CAS or one approved graphics calculator may be used in Further Mathematics Examinations 1 and 2. A scientific calculator may also be used, if desired, in Further Mathematics Examinations 1 and 2.

Mathematical Methods (CAS) and Specialist Mathematics
One approved CAS may be used in Mathematical Methods (CAS) Examination 2 and Specialist Mathematics Examination 2 only. No CAS or calculators of any kind are permitted in Mathematical Methods (CAS) Examination 1 and Specialist Mathematics Examination 1. The use of a graphics calculator is NOT permitted in either Mathematical Methods (CAS) Examination 2 or Specialist Mathematics Examination 2. A scientific calculator may also be used, if desired, in Mathematical Methods (CAS) Examination 2 and Specialist Mathematics Examination 2.


Approved calculators by VCAA (as of 2012)
Quote from: VCAA
CAS calculators
In 2012, the following CAS calculators are approved by the VCAA for use in Further Mathematics Examination 1 and Further Mathematics Examination 2, Mathematical Methods (CAS) Examination 2 and Specialist Mathematics Examination 2. The full functions of approved CAS calculators may be used (that is, the memories of these calculators do not require clearing prior to entry to the examination).

Casio
Algebra FX2.0, Algebra FX2.0 PLUS, ClassPad 300, ClassPad 300 PLUS, ClassPad 330

Hewlett Packard
HP 40G, HP 40GS, HP 48G, HP 48G II, HP 49G, HP 49G PLUS, HP 50G

Texas Instruments
TI-89, TI-89 (Titanium), TI-92/TI-92 PLUS/Voyage 200, TI-nspire CAS, TI-nspire CAS with Touchpad, TI-nspire CX CAS

CAS Software
For approved schools only, students enrolled in Mathematical Methods (CAS) either by itself or in addition to Further Mathematics or Specialist Mathematics, will be permitted to use computer-based CAS software Derive, Maple, Mathcad, Mathematica, TI-Interactive, TI-nspire CAS and ClassPad Manager and stored files on a CD-ROM for examinations in these studies, where the use of technology is permitted, provided they meet VCAA specifications for the conduct of computer assisted examinations. Schools wishing to use computer-based CAS software should apply in writing to the VCAA for approval.


What to look for in a CAS calculator
For any VCAA mathematical study, you want to have a CAS calculator that will make problems as easy as possible to solve.

The checklist of basic abilities you want for Further Mathematics:
•   The ability to sketch Cartesian functions
•   The ability to gather data from a graph
•   The ability to manipulate algebraic and trigonometric equations
•   The ability to solve and algebraic and trigonometric equations
•   The ability to tabulate data and produce graphs and statistics from that data
•   The ability to deal with matrices
•   The ability to produce both exact and approximate results
•   The ability to store and recall variables

The checklist of basic abilities you want for Mathematical Methods (CAS):
•   The ability to sketch Cartesian functions and relations
•   The ability to gather data from a graph
•   The ability to manipulate algebraic and trigonometric equations
•   The ability to solve and algebraic and trigonometric equations
•   The ability to solve and sketch probability functions
•   The ability to tabulate data and produce graphs and statistics from that data
•   The ability to deal with matrices
•   The ability to produce both exact and approximate results
•   The ability to store and recall variables

The checklist of basic abilities you want for Specialist Mathematics:
•   The ability to sketch Cartesian, polar and parametric functions and relations
•   The ability to gather data from a graph
•   The ability to manipulate real and complex algebraic and trigonometric equations
•   The ability to solve real and complex algebraic and trigonometric equations
•   The ability to solve and sketch differential equations
•   The ability to deal with matrices, especially in relation to dealing with vectors
•   The ability to produce both exact and approximate results
•   The ability to store and recall variables

Additional features that are recommended:
•   The ability to highlight, cut, copy, paste, undo, etc.
•   The ability to create, save and open documents (including notes)
•   The ability to have tabs in documents
•   The ability to program
•   The presence of templates for differentiation, integration, matrices, fractions, etc.
•   The ability to connect to your computer to transfer files/OS

Other considerations:
•   What does your school use? (it is recommended to use the same CAS calculator as your peers, this is more important than you might think)
•   Does the calculator have known issues of crashing, freezing, etc.? (especially during exams)
•   Does the calculator have a good lay-out? (are the buttons laid-out for easy and fast use)
•   Are resources available to help you use the calculator? (guides, textbooks, etc.)
•   Are updates regularly produced?
•   Is there calculator software available for your computer too? (emulators, link programs, etc.)
•   Am I already familiar with my calculator (if this is you and you are in year 12, do NOT change calcs now)?


What NOT to look for in a CAS calculator
The primary use of your CAS will be for use in SACs, tests and exams. Buy a CAS based on its functions to help with your success in these SACs, tests and exams, not for the following:
•   Whether or not it can play games
•   Whether or not it can store images
•   Whether or not it is in colour
•   Slight cost differences between models
•   Whether or not it is new
•   Whether or not it is aesthetically pleasing (colour, shape, weight, etc.)
•   Whether or not it is touch-screen/touch-pad/click-pad/etc.
•   How many batteries it needs, and of what type they are


Recommended CAS’s by VN (based on the above information and not in any particular order)
•   Casio ClassPad 330*
•   TI-89
•   TI-89 (Titanium)
•   TI-nspire CAS
•   TI-nspire CAS with Touchpad
•   TI-nspire CX CAS
*Known to crash during VCAA exams


What CAS calculator do I recommend?
I recommend the TI-nspire CAS (Click-pad grey version). The benefits this CAS has over the others are enormous:
•   It has never failed in a VCAA exam
•   It has lots of buttons on the key-pad and the useful "special" ones are very accessible (pi, theta, x, trigs, etc.)
•   It runs on the latest Texas Instruments OS and hence, isn't at disadvantage to the newer TI calcs
•   The Click-pad works far better that the newer Touch-pad
•   It is still cheaper than the newer version ;)

Another calc that I'd strongly recommend is the TI-nspire CX CAS:
•   It has never failed in a VCAA exam
•   It has lots of buttons on the key-pad and the useful "special" ones are very accessible (pi, theta, x, trigs, etc.)
•   It's a lot more portable than the older editions


Helpful links
•   Guide to using TI-Nspire for METHODS by b^3
•   Guide to Using the TI-Nspire for SPECIALIST by b^3
•   Texas Instruments: TI-nspire Family
•   Casio: ClassPad Family
•   ticalc.org



Good luck! :)



UPDATE: NEW TI-NSPIRE OS UPGRADE AVAILABLE :)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on December 05, 2011, 06:44:00 pm
Please PM or post here for any additions/corrections :) Also, post any non-specific CAS issues here to and we'll try and address them!

Thanks.


Stickied for added effect :)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: paulsterio on January 03, 2012, 03:06:36 pm
I want a HP 50G, unique ;)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on January 03, 2012, 03:08:41 pm
I want a HP 50G, unique ;)

It looks like an ancient TI!
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: paulsterio on January 03, 2012, 03:09:39 pm
It looks like an ancient TI!

I've seen one, well I've seen pictures, to be precise, they do look pretty ancient, but they have ripper CPUs, like 203MHz!

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Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: Lasercookie on January 03, 2012, 03:41:08 pm
It looks like an ancient TI!

I've seen one, well I've seen pictures, to be precise, they do look pretty ancient, but they have ripper CPUs, like 203MHz!
Not to mention great programming capabilities :D

I heavily considered getting one at the start of the year, but thought better not, since nobody else I know would be able to help with tips/tricks etc.

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Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: iamtom on January 03, 2012, 05:44:15 pm
Pi my brother, the grey nSpire CAS is so bad now. You should aim for the one with the touchpad at least

It looks like an ancient TI!

I've seen one, well I've seen pictures, to be precise, they do look pretty ancient, but they have ripper CPUs, like 203MHz!
Not to mention great programming capabilities :D

I heavily considered getting one at the start of the year, but thought better not, since nobody else I know would be able to help with tips/tricks etc.

I'm pretty sure you can write Lua addons on the CAS CX too. Not that it will do much.

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Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on January 03, 2012, 05:47:11 pm
Pi my brother, the grey nSpire CAS is so bad now. You should aim for the one with the touchpad at least

NOO! The touch-pad is very bad! The click-pad is much easier to use and I prefer the layout of the old calc, more buttons and less menus ;)

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Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: Lasercookie on January 03, 2012, 05:53:26 pm
Pi my brother, the grey nSpire CAS is so bad now. You should aim for the one with the touchpad at least

It looks like an ancient TI!

I've seen one, well I've seen pictures, to be precise, they do look pretty ancient, but they have ripper CPUs, like 203MHz!
Not to mention great programming capabilities :D

I heavily considered getting one at the start of the year, but thought better not, since nobody else I know would be able to help with tips/tricks etc.

I'm pretty sure you can write Lua addons on the CAS CX too. Not that it will do much.
Nah, Lua works on the grey nspire as well :)

(edit: though TI's method of getting the Lua running is a bit weird, I think you need to purchase the Student software to get your code running with the latest update :/)

It's hard to beat C support though with the HP 50g though.

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Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: tompham8 on February 19, 2012, 09:50:31 pm
The new TI-Nspire CX CAS is the way to go :)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: you0006 on February 28, 2012, 11:29:56 pm
I have to admit, I'm a nSpire Touchpad person (you just have to know how to use it properly).
May update to the CX later in the year, for tutoring materials.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: Truck on March 26, 2012, 12:05:57 am
Moved to the colour CAS this year, and I also must admit that I find the touchpad much much MUCH better then the grey CAS's clickpad, especially when it comes to the graph screen.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: chasej on April 08, 2012, 06:35:54 pm
Hi great information here. I have the black touch pad version of TI-nspire CAS however I find the touchpad annoying and hard to use and spend a lot of time trying to navigate the calculator because of it. I want to know whether someone thinks I may benefit from the grey version as it has a different control thingy. Do the two different versions have the same software installed and work the same aside from the different controls?

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: TKayy on April 09, 2012, 07:40:32 pm
Great info! Thumbs up!  :D
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on April 11, 2012, 01:18:54 pm
Hi great information here. I have the black touch pad version of TI-nspire CAS however I find the touchpad annoying and hard to use and spend a lot of time trying to navigate the calculator because of it. I want to know whether someone thinks I may benefit from the grey version as it has a different control thingy. Do the two different versions have the same software installed and work the same aside from the different controls?

Thanks.  :)

The versions have the exact same OS :) I too prefer the click-pad :)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: charmanderp on April 11, 2012, 01:39:34 pm
Is it true that some of the new CAS calcs can run Pokemon? Seems a bit far-fetched to me :p
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on April 11, 2012, 01:41:30 pm
Is it true that some of the new CAS calcs can run Pokemon? Seems a bit far-fetched to me :p

Yeah, they can. I think you have to downgrade your OS to 1.x, but I'm not up-to-date on the developments anymore :P Definitely possible though, I saw some kids back in yr12 with such games on their nspires :)

edit: btw, it's not just the new CASs, but also the grey and black nspire too :)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: charmanderp on April 11, 2012, 01:46:11 pm
Woah that sounds intense! I don't really play video games but I think I'll have to get a technologically capable student from school to hook me up :p As long as the CASIO ClassPad 330 can run it anyway.

Anyway, just to be constructive. We should compile a post which lists some of the vital CAS calc skills for the exam. Things like solving systems of equations and finding points on graphs, maximums and minimums, etc.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on April 11, 2012, 01:47:47 pm
Anyway, just to be constructive. We should compile a post which lists some of the vital CAS calc skills for the exam. Things like solving systems of equations and finding points on graphs, maximums and minimums, etc.

b^3 already did that for you guys!

Check the resources thread (spesh and methods) and they're there :)
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: b^3 on April 11, 2012, 01:55:16 pm
Anyway, just to be constructive. We should compile a post which lists some of the vital CAS calc skills for the exam. Things like solving systems of equations and finding points on graphs, maximums and minimums, etc.

b^3 already did that for you guys!

Check the resources thread (spesh and methods) and they're there :)
Or check my sig :P (Thanks for the plug VegemitePi)

Remember that the guide is for the old grey version, so most of it is relevant but some of the buttons may be off, and DONT FORGET TO READ THE ERRORS in the first post in the thread, as I can't fix up the originals in the notes unless I re-up it all, but the post is fixed up.

And although it is for the Ti-nspire, the things that you can do, i.e. the "vital CAS calc skills" are relevant. Hope it helps :)

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Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: Lasercookie on April 11, 2012, 05:21:52 pm
Is it true that some of the new CAS calcs can run Pokemon? Seems a bit far-fetched to me :p
You can run a gameboy color emulator on the old nspire too.
http://omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=1584.0

But yeah, it does require hacking the firmware (I guess you can think of it as similar to jailbreaking an iPhone). It's not worth the risk (could screw up your calculator, lose a bit of functionality by going off from the official TI updates) and not worth the end result in my opinion (the emulators are pretty limited in functionality).
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: chasej on April 11, 2012, 10:19:38 pm
Is it true that some of the new CAS calcs can run Pokemon? Seems a bit far-fetched to me :p

I wouldn't want to, if you mess around with the software it could be less reliable and you need your calculator to work 100% especially for sacs/exams.

If you want to play Pokemon just save up and buy a 3DS it's not worth messing around with your calculator IMO.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: KevinooBz on April 11, 2012, 10:37:57 pm
What are your thoughts on the Casio Classpad 330? I find it hard to use because of the lack of hard keys.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on June 26, 2012, 04:36:19 pm
What are your thoughts on the Casio Classpad 330? I find it hard to use because of the lack of hard keys.

Really late reply, oops!

Most people prefer the TIs for this reason, they just have a more traditional feel about them (and they also don't stuff up in exams, especially the newer OS's). I mean the touch screen looks cool and all, but I find it to be a bit impractical and fiddly tbh.

Personally, I also prefer the TI by a long way.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: charmanderp on June 26, 2012, 04:41:00 pm
Dr G hates the Casio Classpad with an unbridled passion.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on June 26, 2012, 04:43:43 pm
Dr G hates the Casio Classpad with an unbridled passion.

Well he's got a PhD in pure maths and has written a textbook and is just generally awesome, so I'm with him on this one too :P
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: charmanderp on June 26, 2012, 04:52:43 pm
Psshh screw that, he's a former Australian downball champion! If nothing else validates his awesomeness then this surely does!

His textbook is so good and the calculus section, which he wrote, is like the best part :P Is his PhD in pure maths or astrophysics?
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: pi on June 26, 2012, 04:57:04 pm
Psshh screw that, he's a former Australian downball champion! If nothing else validates his awesomeness then this surely does!

His textbook is so good and the calculus section, which he wrote, is like the best part :P Is his PhD in pure maths or astrophysics?

Haha yeah, but the downball he played (doubles I think) looks pretty strange :P

Pure Maths :D
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: KevinooBz on June 26, 2012, 05:12:23 pm
I was so tempted to get the tinspire cx for the colour screen but the school says you need the classpad or else.......
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: chasej on April 04, 2013, 09:04:14 pm
How long does the rechargeable battery on the TI nSPIRE CX CAS last?
Just got a friend in the US to purchase me one as they only cost $140 over there. Hopefully there are no differences between an American calculator and Australian one.

Edit: Got my answer, two weeks with normal use.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: Springyboy on January 10, 2018, 10:06:54 am

Another calc that I'd strongly recommend is the TI-nspire CX CAS:
•   It has never failed in a VCAA exam


Unfortunately for me, that was not the case. My TI-nspire CX CAS rebooted in my Further Exam 1, and I was stuck without it for a couple of minutes whilst waiting for it to reboot. Luckily I was still able to complete all of the questions, but it still has some defects that may occur to others.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: aspiringantelope on December 27, 2018, 10:39:34 pm
Guys, does anyone know if a CAS calculator is broken?
I got a CAS Calculator Ti Inspire however when I open it, there is a long loading screen (for about half a minute)
Is this normal? Does it signify something broken? Worried because I need not to worry about such an error during the middle of an exam.
And if the the screen has like lots of line on the screen, does it mean that it is broken? (Happened once when it was charging and I opened it). But hasn't appeared since, but I'm still afraid it would pop up during a test/exam.
Thanks
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: darkz on December 27, 2018, 10:46:00 pm
Guys, does anyone know if a CAS calculator is broken?
I got a CAS Calculator Ti Inspire however when I open it, there is a long loading screen (for about half a minute)
Is this normal? Does it signify something broken? Worried because I need not to worry about such an error during the middle of an exam.
And if the the screen has like lots of line on the screen, does it mean that it is broken? (Happened once when it was charging and I opened it). But hasn't appeared since, but I'm still afraid it would pop up during a test/exam.
Thanks

Nah, that's fine. Generally you only see that loading screen when you haven't used your CAS in a while, with normal use, you'll never encounter that loading screen.
Title: Re: How to choose a CAS calculator?
Post by: aspiringantelope on December 27, 2018, 10:48:43 pm
Nah, that's fine. Generally you only see that loading screen when you haven't used your CAS in a while, with normal use, you'll never encounter that loading screen.
Ok!
Thanks for the comfort.
Was actually getting stressed out but I hope as I progress through the years, I will learn to use my CAS Calculator more :D