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VCE Stuff => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Languages Other Than English (LOTE) => Topic started by: cevap on December 27, 2013, 06:28:28 am
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I have been looking at the subject scaling reports for 2012 and 2013 and saw that the scaling in Serbian (which I am studying) has changed dramatically. It went from 30raw - 27scaled, 35raw - 33scaled to now 30raw - 33scaled, 35raw - 40scaled. Why is this? Has it got to do with poor results this year in exams or unpopularity of the subject? Thanks
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I've noticed that pretty much all the Balkan LOTE subjects have inconsistent scaling every year. This is either because the students perform better or the exams are harder.
Either way, we can't control it - the best thing to do is to work hard and try our best in the subjects!
I'm doing LOTE Bosnian next year, so i'm hoping it scales up.. I doubt it will though.
Good luck!
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How many students did Serbian? The smaller number of students the more potential variation you have for it to swing around. It might be down to that.
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I have been looking at the subject scaling reports for 2012 and 2013 and saw that the scaling in Serbian (which I am studying) has changed dramatically. It went from 30raw - 27scaled, 35raw - 33scaled to now 30raw - 33scaled, 35raw - 40scaled. Why is this? Has it got to do with poor results this year in exams or unpopularity of the subject? Thanks
I noticed the same thing. It has to do with a very large standard deviation.
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Although it also has a very large std dev, that's not the cause of it.
The students who did Serbian in 2013 performed much better in their other subjects than the 2012 Serbian cohort. That's all there is to it. That's why the scaled mean (you can find it in the scaling report) went up so much. That affects the new study score distribution.
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I have been looking at the subject scaling reports for 2012 and 2013 and saw that the scaling in Serbian (which I am studying) has changed dramatically. It went from 30raw - 27scaled, 35raw - 33scaled to now 30raw - 33scaled, 35raw - 40scaled. Why is this? Has it got to do with poor results this year in exams or unpopularity of the subject? Thanks
Serbian is a small student cohort. My friend did it in 2010 and there were only 27 students in the cohort at the time. Bearing in mind as well that some of those students were year 11s, indeed my friend was a 14 year old in year 10 at the time. Taking these out of the mix, you only have about 20 students that contribute to the scaling. Fluctuations in scaling for Serbian therefore aren't a surprise. I also have a feeling that because of its small nature it's included with other minor LOTE subjects or the processes are a little different. The VCAA won't be happy with that change...they don't like change.
They're all odd subjects really! And they're tough, because everybody is fluent.
Hvala OP, zbog sada hoću ćevap :(
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Thanks for the replies and yeah the language has always seemed weird to me I remember in about year 8 or 9 the numbers were so small that there was a class of about 24 made up of year 7,8,9 and 10s and then another class even smaller about 18 students which was the vce class and thats it. Also Ive realised that pretty much all the kids in the younger and older classes knew how to speak well but put no effort into class and didnt care about reading, writing etc. i wonder how the results for the oral exam compare to the written.
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Ohh and yehh t-raw, when i was making an account i couldnt think of anything and them my mom brings me a huge serving of cevapi and i was like why not? ahahha :)
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Ohh and yehh t-raw, when i was making an account i couldnt think of anything and them my mom brings me a huge serving of cevapi and i was like why not? ahahha :)
Must have been the happiest moment of your life. Since I've been studying in Melbourne, I haven't been able to visit my Serb friends as much. God how I miss ćevapi </3
Thanks for the replies and yeah the language has always seemed weird to me I remember in about year 8 or 9 the numbers were so small that there was a class of about 24 made up of year 7,8,9 and 10s and then another class even smaller about 18 students which was the vce class and thats it. Also Ive realised that pretty much all the kids in the younger and older classes knew how to speak well but put no effort into class and didnt care about reading, writing etc. i wonder how the results for the oral exam compare to the written.
The exam report usually gives a pretty good indication about the difference between the oral and written exams. The written exam for Serbian is obviously a little bit harder than the rest because they insist on ćirilica, but the examiners always tend to bemoan the students' lack of knowledge about their detailed study and how often they stuff up padeži.
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Yehh padeži are the most common problem I see in the language for students. Yehh Im pretty lucky i guess because me and my family go to serbia for a holiday roughly every 3 years. Right now im in serbia, and its pretty good to see everyone and relax before i go into yr 11, plus i eat ćevapi, burek and homemade kobasice on a daily basis :)
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Yehh padeži are the most common problem I see in the language for students. Yehh Im pretty lucky i guess because me and my family go to serbia for a holiday roughly every 3 years. Right now im in serbia, and its pretty good to see everyone and relax before i go into yr 11, plus i eat ćevapi, burek and homemade kobasice on a daily basis :)
That is pretty lucky, though certainly not the luckiest. My friend who did it had only been in Australia two years, after moving here directly from Bosna. There are plenty in that situation.
Oh my God, burek. Seriously, the biggest motivator for me to go and visit the Balkans would be to take a tour of all the buregdnice.
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That is pretty lucky, though certainly not the luckiest. My friend who did it had only been in Australia two years, after moving here directly from Bosna. There are plenty in that situation.
Oh my God, burek. Seriously, the biggest motivator for me to go and visit the Balkans would be to take a tour of all the buregdnice.
Burek :D :D :D
I guess you should try some variety of bureks in Turkey :D It's on the way to Balkans anyway :D
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Burek :D :D :D
I guess you should try some variety of bureks in Turkey :D It's on the way to Balkans anyway :D
The only burek you can get here is Turkish normally! I prefer Serbian personally :)