Hi,
I did Robert Gray's poems for AOS last term but I am still not sure as to what related text to actually use for my trials/HSC. Advice would be really appreciated :)
Also what related text would work for these different poems:
'Meatworks' and 'Flames and Dangling wire'
I am really struggling to find a related text that links with the poems of my prescribed text.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks :)
Hi,
I am doing Robert Frost poems for my AOS. I have chosen 3 related texts. One is an image of the 'Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog', another one is a poem 'Sky High' and last is a short film 'The Scarecrow', are they suitable for my AOS?
Hi, this is really helpful thanks!
For AOS we are studying the film Life of Pi and i was wondering what your opinion on my two related texts are: Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk and The Kite Runner by Khalid Hosseini (both novels as thats my favourite). I like both equally and if I'm honest, its Life of Pi i don't really like and struggle the most to make connected haha.
So, my teachers say that Fight Club is slightly better so I've done more prep for that, what do you think?
Thanks :)
Hi,
Not a serious question (or maybe it is), but what are your thoughts on going into the exam without a related text, analysing the shit out of the unseen text and just use that. It does seem to simple and of course you aren't going to have enough time to fully analyse the text, but why else?
Keen to hear what you have to say,
Zatos99 :o
Hi,
Not a serious question (or maybe it is), but what are your thoughts on going into the exam without a related text, analysing the shit out of the unseen text and just use that. It does seem to simple and of course you aren't going to have enough time to fully analyse the text, but why else?
Keen to hear what you have to say,
Zatos99 :o
I have heard of this idea before!! ;D I don't know where BOSTES stands on it to be honest, though I've never read anything saying you can't do it...Thanks for the response. I'm not going to do it, probably only if i am asked to refer to two texts. But as a maths minded person, like Jake, i feel that if there is anyway to make English easier, this might be something to consider.
The positives of doing this are pretty obvious. Less to learn, less to stress about pre-exam, etc. The other huge benefit is that the unseen text is virtually guaranteed to work well with the essay question, since Paper 1 usually follow some sort of common theme, at least loosely. The related text becomes guaranteed quality, which is fantastic ;D
The negatives are obvious too. Less time to analyse, you have to be very good at thinking on the spot. And I have no idea what the official stance on it is, I'd love to have a chat with BOSTES about it!
All that said, my personal opinion would be not to do it, but it's a very interesting idea indeed! ;)
I'd only do this if they asked in the exam for two related texts and you've only prepared one (unlikely but possible)! The more time you have to prepare, the better!Yeah that's where my original idea came from, when you said it at the study day haha!
Yeah that's where my original idea came from, when you said it at the study day haha!
Hey all, my trials are just around the corner and I need to find related texts that work well for both AOS: Discovery- The Tempest and Mod C: Representing People & Landscapes- Judith Wright.
Any ideas on which related texts would work well ?
I'm thinking of doing a picture book: The Island by Armin Greder for my main related text but I can't seem to find aspects of the rubric that relate explicitly to each module.
Thanks in advance !! :)
Hey all, my trials are just around the corner and I need to find related texts that work well for both AOS: Discovery- The Tempest and Mod C: Representing People & Landscapes- Judith Wright.
Any ideas on which related texts would work well ?
I'm thinking of doing a picture book: The Island by Armin Greder for my main related text but I can't seem to find aspects of the rubric that relate explicitly to each module.
Thanks in advance !! :)
That picture book is definitely a potentially great ORT, there are a heap of resources for it online, which indicates that it's been used before with success ;D
I didn't do Discovery, but I know Elyse would suggest Distant Lands - Tim Winton. It is a very powerful ORT, might be worth a look?
For Module C, I used V for Vendetta against Shakespeare's Tragedy of Julius Caesar. The key to that was that both were fairly political, but that might not match here. Hopefully someone can be of more help!
You should flick through our Module Marking and AoS Marking Threads to see what other people have used! It might give you some inspiration ;D
The Island definitely works for discovery, for a moment there it was almost my related text. I think it is limited though, for Module C specifically. For discovery, it works on a number of levels. With trials around the corner, you want to be comfortable that your selection is rich on surface value, seeing as you don't necessarily have weeks and weeks of time to analyse the text. As Jamon suggested, definitely look at the other threads (Jamon linked to them) and see how other people have dealt with their own related texts :)
Thank you, also do you by any chance have notes that you previously wrote for The Island that I could use as a guide for my own ?
What would be a good ORT for The Tempest for AOS other than Heart of Darkness by Conrad? And what would be a good related text for Wag The Dog for Mod C?
What would be a good ORT for The Tempest for AOS other than Heart of Darkness by Conrad? And what would be a good related text for Wag The Dog for Mod C?
Hi, im just confused when the teachers say it needs to be a good related text, what do they mean? Is it ok if we choose a movie that was made recently?
So I'm in a rush to decide on my related text because my preliminary yearlies are coming up in a few weeks
My prescribed text(s) are poems for the AOS physical journeys (not shrzynecki poems but other miscellaneous poems)
I'm having trouble deciding the following between Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Peter Shrzynecki: immigrant chronicle (I don't know whether or not this is going to make a good related text since I'm currently doing poems as a prescribed text), Lionheart or Rabbit proof fence. Could someone here please help me choose between the following
Thanks for the help guys :D
I've not read the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, but I'm sure it would be a good choice. Immigrant Chronicle is a fantastic choice, very conceptual, and already studying poetry then it will be easy to link. There are heaps of resources available too ;D
The two moves are good too, though I've not studied them in depth I've seen them and both work well for Discovery conceptually. I'd personally be going for Immigrant Chronicle ;D
Hm, I was thinking of Rabbit Proof fence (I've seen it before but forgot what happened in the movie) but analysing films would be a pain because there's so many things you'll need to talk about
If I did poems then I'd have trouble composing an essay on the sport so I'd rather do related text which is easier to integrate in an essay
If I did lionheart or Adventures of Huckleberry Finn then I'd have to spend too much time reading the texts and analysing them and time is very limited for me :(
So yeah, my choices are limited (unfortunately)
If time is limited, do either a film you have seen before (Rabbit Proof Fence) or poetry (Skrzynecki). Particularly for Skzrynecki, his poems are quite punchy, it would not take you long to read them and pull some quotes out, it could easily be done in an afternoon, especially given how many resources are available for the poetry, given that it used to be on the Prescribed Text list ;D
Hi! My teacher suggested I choose peter weir's Dead Poet's Society for AOS Discovery. I've watched it and can't really identify the discoveries within the film besides Todd's gradual gain in confidence once he heard Mr Keating's saying: "Carpe Diem". If you've watched it, do you recognise discoveries within the text? Thanks heaps! ~~~
Do you think there's a high chance that this year we'll get asked to have two related texts?
Do you think there's a high chance that this year we'll get asked to have two related texts?
do related texts need to explore a different issue to the pt or can they be very similar?
do related texts need to explore a different issue to the pt or can they be very similar?
Hi,
I will be studying the Tempest for discovery this term, and I have been looking at some related texts.
I have a found a short story about the grief after a tornado and I was just wondering if you think there would be many discovery themes in a grief storyline? Or should I keep looking?
Thank you
Hey just a quick question: My school has chosen the novel 'The Motorcycle Diaries' as our prescribed text for the AOS.
Considering this, would it be in my interest (and the interest of my marks) to choose an ORT that is a novel?
OR should I go along the lines of a poem or film?
Could I use the film adaptation of 'The Motorcycle Diaries' as an ORT?
Sorry, quick 3 questions ;D
Hello it's me again
I've done some investigating and found a few potential ORTs for 'The Motorcycle Diaries':
'The histrionic wayfarer (after Bosch)' (painting) by Tim Storrier
'The Road Not Taken' (poem) by Robert Frost
'Invictus' (poem) by W.E. Henley
'Oh, the Places You'll Go!' (poem) by Dr. Seuss.
Could someone possibly recommend for/against one of these? I'm stumped
I don't know about any of these, except the Dr. Seuss one, but I do have some advice: If you're in the graduating class of 2016, choose whichever you can learn and understand in the shortest time possible. 7 days until the exam! Woohoo!
Nope, class of 2017 - just a major major nerd wanting to do 100x better in HSC English than they did in Prelim English... :'(
Thank you!! :)
Nope, class of 2017 - just a major major nerd wanting to do 100x better in HSC English than they did in Prelim English... :'(
Thank you!! :)
Hello. Eng is in a week what do you say about having related texts for AOS and Mod C? Do you really think we should have 2-3?
Hello. Eng is in a week what do you say about having related texts for AOS and Mod C? Do you really think we should have 2-3?
what the hell does ORT mean/ stand for?
i tried searching on the internet but it doesn't work
It means related text :) You'll need at least one for the Discovery Essay and Module C.
i do standard, that means another one for Mod A= more fun
Can anyone suggest me related texts for 'go back to where you came from.' ty
Elyse represents 'Distant Lands' by Tim Winton to everyone, but it might be a bit tricky to find on such short notice :P some poems that might be good ideas you can see here! Good luck! ;DI'm doing my hsc next year :D
I'm doing my hsc next year :D
Is Distant Lands available online - i can't seem to find it, or will i have to purchase it from somewhere?
Hi!
I was wondering if the related text is better to be of a completely different text type (ie. book vs film, or book vs poem)? For example, would the "Motorcycle Diaries" by Che Gueavara (a non-fiction, series of diary entries) classify as being a different text type to "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" by Mark Twain (a fiction novel) ??
Hey! It isn't totally necessary no; but it does give you a bit more variety in your techniques and analysis. Like, doing a film and novel means you can discuss both literary and filmic techniques, for example :) don't stress as much about this as just finding something that you like and that is conceptually rich! But yeah, I'd say those are different text types :)
Ok cool! I'm thinking about having Huckleberry as a related because it has that literary merit that all you guys are after, and it links well to Motorcycle Diaries, in my opinion at least, while at the same time having interesting differences :) What do you think of the combo?
For english advanced, would of mice and men be a good text? Because i think its for year 10.Hey! I was told by my teacher to avoid it for that reason, same with Animal Farm. However, I'm sure that if you did it, and you did it really well, it's not going to negatively affect you that much, but yes, it is something to keep in mind.
The thing is The Tempest is full on, so I have amazing notes on of mice and men because of a previous teacher i had. Yet, to be safe i was thinking of doing emily dickinsons poetry.I did the Tempest! If you want related texts for that, I would highly recommend An Idiot Abroad and The Perks of Being a Wallflower (the novel) as related texts. Neither of them are too full on, and they work really well :) They may not seem to "academic-y" upon first glance, but if you work with them well they can really stand out :) If you're considering it, I have notes on them that I am more than happy to share with you :) (I'll post them on the notes page at some point haha)
I did the Tempest! If you want related texts for that, I would highly recommend An Idiot Abroad and The Perks of Being a Wallflower (the novel) as related texts. Neither of them are too full on, and they work really well :) They may not seem to "academic-y" upon first glance, but if you work with them well they can really stand out :) If you're considering it, I have notes on them that I am more than happy to share with you :) (I'll post them on the notes page at some point haha)
I don't know much about emily dickinson's poetry, but I'm sure that'd work fab as well :) A lot of my friends did poetry as related texts and said there was a lot that they could go on :)
Really?! I can't believe I can use perks of being a wallflower. Thank you so much for your advice, much appreciated! :) And yes, can I please view your notes? I was stressing so much about my related and the tempest.Perks was probably my strongest one! Such an underrated text, fits so well for so many different topics, and no worries! Happy to help :) Good luck xx
Would Anh Do's The Happiest Refugee be a suitable related text for a discovery essay?
Would Winter Dreams by F Scott Fitzgerald work as a related text in a discovery essay?
Hi!
What do you guys think of using "The Metamorphosis" by Franz Kafka as a related for the discovery essay? My prescribed text is Motorcycle Diaries
We're supposed to choose two related texts for a speech, to which the question is '"Discoveries can affirm or challenge our assumptions and beliefs about the world." Analyse the impact of this statement in relation to your two chosen related texts. The two chosen texts I picked are "Boyhood" and "Memoirs of a Geisha", both of which I enjoy (and still remember very well!) but also know that they're also very lengthy. Would I be disadvantaging myself by this?
Hey kb! I've read Matamorphosis (ages ago), from memory it would work extremely well! It would definitely work for Discovery in a broader sense and it would definitely have enough literary techniques to extract, it would be up to decide whether it works with your text specifically :) does it cover similar themes? Can you discuss them together? :)
I feel like they have similar themes to do with discovery, but they also have contrasts which I think would be good to deepen the essay - right now i'm relating them by the fact that in both discoveries are transformative and lead to changed perspectives, however the transformation in motorcycle is positive, in metamorphosis it is negative
Hi! Having trouble choosing a related for discovery :( and borrowed a book from the discovery related texts section in the library. The book was a collection of short stories and there's this one that I found that might work with the prescribed text (The Tempest), but I'm not too sure so any opinions on this short story would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
I think this might cut off...I can only read to page 283. Nonetheless, that was actually a really interesting story. The first two pages had so many little twists it was a pleasure to read. I think this could work really well! What kinds of discovery stick out to you in this text? Physical...emotional...spiritual...intellectual...creative? I think the benefit of this text as well is that it is short, clearly written, and packed with meaning. I think you could do a lot with it.
I was thinking that it explored mostly emotional and spiritual discoveries, as with the other short stories in the the author's book - mostly about the importance of humanity/human connection, similar to the characters in the Tempest learning/discovering mercy and forgiveness. However, I thought it might be hard to talk about context as it's like the Jacobean era where Shakespeare could challenge social hierarchy and an individual's greed for power, and I wasn't too sure if there would be enough evidence to take out and link to each rubric point, but it's good to know that you think it would work. Thanks heaps! :)
Hello! Just watched Kubo and The Two Strings recently and I thought it was an absolutely lovely movie. It really tugged at the heartstrings (*coughs*) and appeals to me because there's a distinct lack of dynamic visual texts for my Advanced course this year. I know of some who've chosen Coraline as a related text for Discovery, so I was wondering what the rest of you thought about using Kubo? I'll admit the relationships it portrays are somewhat simplistic, but there's a lot beyond that to talk about, not to mention it'd be a great opportunity to look at a story from a different cultural and historical context. If you think it doesn't necessarily fit the Discovery rubric, what would you say to using it as a related for Representing People and Landscapes?
Hey ChocolateWaffle! It sounds like you've put some good thought into this. I haven't watched Kubo and the Two Strings, but I've just quickly googled to get an idea about it all. Looking at different cultural and historical perspectives could actually be wonderful for discovery - particularly if you're looking at the ways discoveries are experienced from different stand points. In fact, I think looking into stand point some more, and how people bring their different perspectives to a situation, could be what makes your work so astounding!
Similarly, People and Landscapes and this text could work wonderfully as well. I used the same related for AOS and for Mod C, so you could do that as well potentially!
Hello elyse! (I hope I can call you that, everyone else seems to and it's a pretty name to type ;) )
I thought so too, mostly because it's a good alternative against those who'll be doing Go Back for as their prescribed text. I reconsidered it, and I do feel the visuals themselves support Mod C, whereas the plot would support Discovery sufficiently enough. And it is a visual text, so I think saving it for Mod C would be more effective in terms of analysis at least. But wow, I wish it had occurred to me earlier that I could use one related for both modules! I do have this one other visual I could analyse for AOS (it's a picture book), but I'm wondering whether an actual film might be a more solidly 'visual' text, considering my prescribed is a novel and my second related is a short story?
Hello, does anyone have good related text suggestions for 'intellectual' discovery, preferably to go with Dobson's prescribed poems? Thank you very much! :)
Hello, does anyone have good related text suggestions for 'intellectual' discovery, preferably to go with Dobson's prescribed poems? Thank you very much! :)
Hey,
I'd like to preface this by saying that I'm just a student as well, in the same boat as you; but I found that something that really helped me was looking at suggested text lists from places like the Library of NSW (see attached). They also have other great sources about the AOS which I also found pretty valuable - this for example: http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/printpdf/51061.
Hope this is useful!
Hey Elyse! Would paintings/other artworks be considers as ORT ?
Hey Elyse! Would paintings/other artworks be considers as ORT ?
Hi Elyse,
I just wanted to know if you could recommend some visual texts that could work with the Discovery AOS.
I haven't been able to find one that isn't too simple yet has the obvious theme of discover in it along with a variety of techniques.
Thanks,
Samuel
Hello,
Do you guys have any recommendations on a related text for Aos which could also work and help with module C?
Not sure if this helps but my core text for Aos is short history of nearly everything and for mod c it is brave new world.
Thanks!
Hello,I know Jamon just mentioned it above, but Humans of New York works magnificently across Module C (for politics and landscapes) and AOS. When looking at HONY, look specifically at series. Here's the link to the series posted. Some gel better with politics and some gel better with landscapes. In my opinion, it's a seriously good related text that's underused!
Do you guys have any recommendations on a related text for Aos which could also work and help with module C?
Not sure if this helps but my core text for Aos is short history of nearly everything and for mod c it is brave new world.
Thanks!
I know Jamon just mentioned it above, but Humans of New York works magnificently across Module C (for politics and landscapes) and AOS. When looking at HONY, look specifically at series. Here's the link to the series posted. Some gel better with politics and some gel better with landscapes. In my opinion, it's a seriously good related text that's underused!
Hello,
Do you guys have any recommendations on a related text for Aos which could also work and help with module C?
Not sure if this helps but my core text for Aos is short history of nearly everything and for mod c it is brave new world.
Thanks!
Hi again,
Thanks for the kind recommendation, will definitely look into it some more. Seeing that individual stories are quite short, would it work to talk about multiple stories in our essay?
Also, some of the Tropfest short films were made known to me to be a text to analyse. If I were to pick up another related text, do you have an idea on which ones work with discovery?
Thanks for your help!
Hi Elyse,
When it comes to related text for discoevry I like to cover a broad range of themes that relate to discovery along with different forms.
However I have realised that finding a good painting or photograph that has an obvious representation of disocovery is a bit difficult. Nevertheless, I did manage to find this image by Rembrant called "Belshazzar's Feast".
I have attached it below. Could you have a look at it and tell me if it is a good painting to use...and if it isn't, do you have any that you recommend?
Thanks heaps,
Samuel
I think I understand why you asked me to do that. I have been spending quite a long time staring at the image and trying to find representations and concepts of discovery. And to be honest apart from the physically obvious discovery of the writing on the wall along with the response it prompts from those viewing it, there isn't much to the image. I mean I can see how the composer creates such an effect with visual techniques such as lighting, vectors, salient point etc. But I feel it is a very shallow one dimensional representation. There is nothing more to it metaphorically or symbolically. It is just a moment in time in which the composer captures a response of shock and awe to a discovery.
So I think I'll look for some text that has more than one dimension of meaning.
I still remember from a previous answer you gave that you said you can use a text if you use it right. Now in the Section where Elyse suggests related texts, she recommends the following:
Picasso - Guernica
Rene Magritte - The Treachery of Images
The Savage State by Thomas Cole
Now I honestly cannot see how they portray or represent discovery...
This is probably because I have no real idea with regard to analysing visual texts and extracting deep meaning from them.
Could you please clarify this?
(Sorry for the long response. And for not writing out my paragraph (which was quite pathetic))
Thanks a whole lot,
Samuel
Oh Ok
Thanks, that really helped.
Just one more personal question....if there was one photo or painting that you would choose, what would it be?
Thanks,
Samuel
I had to do Dobson poems for discovery do you think that these related texts would be okay
Unbroken the film by Angelina Jolie
and
Eat Pray Love the book
any help would be great thanks
I definitely think you can work with those texts! I don't know your prescribed text so I'm unsure of how the arguments that you would present would follow, but from a quick search online there doesn't seem to be a lot of critical analysis of the Eat Pray Love book, it's not a well-studied English text by the looks of it. If you're confident in your own analysis, you have no need for this, so carry on! But if you're a student who wants to fall back on other people's experiences of studying the text, then this mightn't be the one for you.
I think you could do great things with it though, because the book is in such clear stages you can easily identify shifts in perspectives!
Thanks so much elyse!! I think I am going to go with it because I generally tend to write my own analysis then get it marked so I think I can manage it :)
What is a good related text for 'Go back to where you came from' documentary???
Hi I'm in my prelims and for our exams our teacher is saying that if you want to extend yourself you should choose an ORT. Obviously I'm doing as such, and since our AOS is Connections, I was wondering if Lion could be a reputable related text? I was thinking it could pass on to HSC with Discovery, and to prepare two ORTs I'd use Saroo Brierley's novel, "A Long Way Back," to link with it. I think it has a lot of potential, but worried if it's still too sensational to use.
Hi!Hey,
i need help on choosing a related text that goes well with the poetry of robert frost, in particular for the tuft of flowers, mending wall or after apple picking??
any suggestions would be greatly appreciated :)
Hey there!
I am doing Robert Gray's poems (which I enjoy) as my prescribed text, and my related text is Seamus Heaney's 'Personal Helicon' (which I love even more). I used Seamus Heaney in my trial and got 14/15 for it, however my teachers are suggesting to me that perhaps it's not the best idea to use a related text that is a poem also, because then your related text has no difference in form to your prescribed text. They argue that using a text that is not a poem would demonstrate a wider range of analysis skills, rather than simply using another poem.
It's a great text that I don't want to abandon and I can analysis it really well, but I guess my teachers are just trying to push me, and when it comes to my essay being marked against thousands of other students, I suppose showing a wide range of skills is importance to distinguish yourself.
What are your thoughts?