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Title: Old Marking Rules
Post by: brenden on June 14, 2016, 01:30:07 pm
How Does This Section Work?

This section aims to be a one stop shop for feedback on any HSC response, for any subject. Be it a Creative writing piece, a Legal Studies essay, a long response for HSC Physics - You can post it here and get some feedback to help you improve it.

Let's face it - Usually the feedback we get from teachers is, well, not quite helpful. A correction of grammar here, a "More detail" there. Sometimes it is pretty clear they haven't even read the whole thing. Often we come away from the feedback with more questions that we had to begin with! And hey, if your overworked teach has 150+ posts to mark over a weekend, you can't really blame them. This section aims to rectify that feedback and supplement it with something better and more detailed.


Click here to post your response as a new topic in this board.

Use the convention: "[SUBJECT]: [ESSAY TOPIC]", for example, "English Advanced: Mod A Essay" or "English Standard: Great Gatbsy" or "Legal: Crime Essay!", or similar. Just something that makes it easy for people to see what your response is about!


Who Gives the Feedback?

Well, it's your peers! Or tutors. Or graduates. Our awesome ATAR Notes community. Anyone is welcome to give feedback on any response at any time - Ultimately every little piece of help is going to make you better. We strongly encourage everyone, no matter how "good" you think you are at a given subject, to help your peers and get help in return. Collaboration is the best way to learn!

Some of our moderators are expert markers. Literally, they've marked hundreds of responses for students over several years and helped all of them improve their marks. Our moderators will sit down with your essay for a solid half an hour, reading every line and giving you detailed comments throughout about what works, and what doesn't. We'll give you suggestions about how to improve it, and link you to any awesome resources on the site that we think will help you make the response fantastic.

This feedback has already helped hundreds of students boost their marks. Here is what one user said:

We just got our half yearly results back for our discovery paper 1 and I really just want to say thank you so much, because my discovery essay got 20/20!! Although I really did luck out with the question (It was "Discoveries can offer new understandings and renewed perceptions of ourselves and others. - Discuss" or something with that rubric line) I really wouldn't have been able to write anything to get that mark without your help!! English has been an endless struggle for me, and you've seriously really helped me.  I cried like a baby for a few minutes (let me paint you a picture - 2 classes packed into one room, me, on the floor, crying. yep.)

How do I get my essay marked by a moderator?

The detailed feedback provided by our moderators takes a long time. Thirty minutes to an hour... Hypothetically, if someone were being paid $30 an hour, that's a cost of $15 per essay, at least. That's how much you should be valuing the essay marking. It's not a 'cheap' or less valuable service just because it's free. Remember that. Our moderators like giving feedback as a just and rightful reward for those helping us grow. Our way of saying thank you.

This said, we don't have unlimited amounts of time to devote to marking, so we have a post exchange policy to make sure the most deserving members of the community get that feedback:

Every 30* posts on ATAR Notes merits you one essay/response marked by a moderator.

In other words, if you've made 150 posts, you're entitled to have five of your essays marked. If you've made 300 posts, you're entitled to 10 of your responses marked. You get the idea... Essay marking isn't just for everyone. It is for those who are a part of the community, engaging with the community and helping us make the forums a cooler and more helpful place for all :)

Note: These posts have to be real, actual contributions. It is very obvious when you are just posting the bare minimum to cheat the system, just to access this service. That's not what this is about, and people doing that ultimately take up time we could be spending marking and ruin the system for everyone else.

This is about rewarding contributions to the community - This includes asking questions, answering questions, engaging in discussion, contributing resource. Shit posts like "thanks", "haha", "wow", "this is a good one", "this is helpful" do NOT contribute, and we'll ignore those posts or delete them as necessary. 30 posts might seem like a lot, but trust us - If you get involved in discussion, it builds up faster than you'd think! :)

Once you have enough posts, to get an essay marked, just post it in this section as normal, and include a little request to have a moderator mark it! We'll let you know if you are eligible and get you feedback asap. You might even get feedback from your peers as well!

Ultimately, you guys drive this system. We want everyone to be posting their responses, everyone to be giving and receiving feedback, and the people who do that the most will accrue the required posts and be rewarded with the additional feedback from our moderators/lecturers. It's a totally community driven initiative.

What subjects have free essay marking?

You can ask for feedback for any subject you like, and hopefully one of your peers can help! If you are after feedback from a marker, we can help with:

- English Standard/Advanced
- English Extension 1
- English Extension 2
- Business Studies
- Modern History, Ancient History and History Extension
- Legal Studies
- Studies of Religion
- Visual Arts
- Drama

The old marking threads have been moved to a read only archive - Feel free to have a browse right here :)

Thanks for reading and getting involved! If you have any questions about essay marking, post them below!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: conic curve on June 22, 2016, 11:31:26 pm
If you wanna resubmit your essay for remarking then does it require the 5 post count rule?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 22, 2016, 11:43:42 pm
If you wanna resubmit your essay for remarking then does it require the 5 post count rule?

As in, after one submission, does resubmitting the same essay constitute another 5 posts? Yes it does. The idea there, in addition to the regular rationale of ensuring the service remains useful and accessible, is that it demands you take some time away with the feedback and actively improve the work in every aspect. We'll give detailed feedback, and so you should use it to spend a decent amount of time improving the script. In that time, you can hang around the forums getting up the next 5 posts you need to get it marked again  ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: shailerpennell on July 21, 2016, 07:16:53 pm
Hey idk if i'm being dumb and missing the direct link to this hahaha but what do i click on to actually send in my essay for marking??
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 21, 2016, 07:34:10 pm
Hey idk if i'm being dumb and missing the direct link to this hahaha but what do i click on to actually send in my essay for marking??

I can link you! What is the essay for??  ;D ;D ;D

The marking threads are in the board for that subject, EG, the Legal Studies Marking Thread is in the Legal Studies section  ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: studybuddy7777 on July 22, 2016, 07:41:59 am
Hey idk if i'm being dumb and missing the direct link to this hahaha but what do i click on to actually send in my essay for marking??

Don't worry about it! Youre definitely not being dumb! We all started here (quite recently) and me only about a week ago so youre doing a lot better than me :D. As jamon mentioned, the subject marking is in the HSC/VCE subject of your choice under {subject} stuff

I would link some below but AN covers so many topics I wouldnt know which ones you want!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: shailerpennell on July 22, 2016, 07:36:44 pm
I can link you! What is the essay for??  ;D ;D ;D

The marking threads are in the board for that subject, EG, the Legal Studies Marking Thread is in the Legal Studies section  ;D

It's for my English creative writting on Discovery but i cant seem to find the sections   :-\
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: RuiAce on July 22, 2016, 07:40:25 pm
It's for my English creative writting on Discovery but i cant seem to find the sections   :-\
You can submit your creative writing in for marking here.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: shailerpennell on July 22, 2016, 07:46:51 pm
Don't worry about it! Youre definitely not being dumb! We all started here (quite recently) and me only about a week ago so youre doing a lot better than me :D. As jamon mentioned, the subject marking is in the HSC/VCE subject of your choice under {subject} stuff

I would link some below but AN covers so many topics I wouldnt know which ones you want!

hahah thank you! i eventually found it :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 27, 2016, 01:01:33 am
New posting requirement is now in effect! For anyone curious or a tad confused about how this works, this is how we figure out your post requirement for getting feedback:

(http://i.imgur.com/aqBXFIv.png)

The idea here makes sense. It makes no sense, for example, to sell you a burger for $5.00, and then one week later say, "Actually, you now owe me 15 dollars for that burger you ate." Absurdity! The old burger is still worth $5  ;D

In words, the above math just says that the essays you posted prior to the change are still worth 5, it's only new ones worth 15, so people who have 10 posts with 2 essays posted aren't in like, "post debt," or anything like that ;)

We know it might be a little confusing, so if in doubt, just post your essay and we'll let you know if you qualify, and if not, how many posts you need to do so  ;D

Best of luck to everyone completing Trial exams in the next few weeks  ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Dragomistress on October 24, 2016, 06:59:21 am
That is a pretty good advertising technique eh???
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jakesilove on October 24, 2016, 09:56:59 am
That is a pretty good advertising technique eh???

Hey JK! What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: kavinila on October 26, 2016, 06:50:41 pm
hi hello! what are the current procedures?
I had my creative looked over the day before paper 1? how many posts do I need to have in order to have another essay/creative marked? (ext English exam on Monday)

many thanks! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: RuiAce on October 26, 2016, 06:56:01 pm
hi hello! what are the current procedures?
I had my creative looked over the day before paper 1? how many posts do I need to have in order to have another essay/creative marked? (ext English exam on Monday)

many thanks! :)
It's 15 per extended response, so you can already put one of them up. Literally 2 more (legitimate) posts and you can put the other one up as well
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: studybuddy7777 on October 26, 2016, 08:19:46 pm
It's 15 per extended response, so you can already put one of them up. Literally 2 more (legitimate) posts and you can put the other one up as well

But didnt op already have a creative looked at paper 1? Which would mean that it would be more? Or was it not really marked? Im confused..

Rui is probably right, I'm tired so dont be alarmed :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: kavinila on October 26, 2016, 10:23:18 pm
It's 15 per extended response, so you can already put one of them up. Literally 2 more (legitimate) posts and you can put the other one up as well

oh haha okay cool! thankyou :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: kavinila on October 26, 2016, 10:24:26 pm
But didnt op already have a creative looked at paper 1? Which would mean that it would be more? Or was it not really marked? Im confused..

Rui is probably right, I'm tired so dont be alarmed :)

ahah no worries! thankyou anyway! :) good luck with the rest of your exams (Y)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 26, 2016, 11:27:05 pm
hi hello! what are the current procedures?
I had my creative looked over the day before paper 1? how many posts do I need to have in order to have another essay/creative marked? (ext English exam on Monday)

many thanks! :)

Enter the man with the spreadsheet ;)

You need 30 posts for your next bit of feedback kavinila, so you've met that requirement. If you need to post two then hang around over the next day or two to get yourself up to 45! Won't take long I am sure! ;D

Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: kavinila on October 28, 2016, 01:40:05 pm
Enter the man with the spreadsheet ;)

You need 30 posts for your next bit of feedback kavinila, so you've met that requirement. If you need to post two then hang around over the next day or two to get yourself up to 45! Won't take long I am sure! ;D

ahh okay! thankyou so much :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: TheFreeMarketeer on November 01, 2016, 12:31:32 pm
Hey guys,

Fairly new here and this was something that appealed to me so I just had one quick question!

Once I gather 15 posts I'm eligible for free marking? Could someone tell me who to send my essay into once I do get 15 posts?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: RuiAce on November 01, 2016, 12:34:00 pm
Hey guys,

Fairly new here and this was something that appealed to me so I just had one quick question!

Once I gather 15 posts I'm eligible for free marking? Could someone tell me who to send my essay into once I do get 15 posts?
Essays are not "sent" to anyone here. There are threads in each subjects' respective forums that you use to post up your essay for feedback.

All that matters is that your 15 posts aren't spam. Otherwise, yes each 15 posts equates to 1 essay eligible to be marked
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 01, 2016, 12:39:39 pm
Hey guys,

Fairly new here and this was something that appealed to me so I just had one quick question!

Once I gather 15 posts I'm eligible for free marking? Could someone tell me who to send my essay into once I do get 15 posts?

Welcome! I hope the site proves useful for you ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: The Timzone on November 01, 2016, 06:16:20 pm
This is awesome! But I just gotta question? Will you guys manage to provide Ancient History marking or PDHPE marking soon or sometime in the future?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 01, 2016, 07:15:00 pm
This is awesome! But I just gotta question? Will you guys manage to provide Ancient History marking or PDHPE marking soon or sometime in the future?

Right now we don't have anyone who can mark those subjects, but you never know, we may get there in the future!! :) in the meantime you can upload it for some advice from your peers? We had a few people do that for Business Studies earlier in the month and people got some cool feedback that way (obviously that relies on your fellow students being awesome) ;)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: TheFreeMarketeer on November 02, 2016, 11:51:14 am
Essays are not "sent" to anyone here. There are threads in each subjects' respective forums that you use to post up your essay for feedback.

All that matters is that your 15 posts aren't spam. Otherwise, yes each 15 posts equates to 1 essay eligible to be marked

Oh, okay.

Does that mean that everyone can read my essay when I post it in that particular thread? Additionally, where can I find these threads?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 02, 2016, 12:02:35 pm
Oh, okay.

Does that mean that everyone can read my essay when I post it in that particular thread? Additionally, where can I find these threads?

Yep, if you post your essay for marking, it is viewable by other users (and the feedback is public too). The purpose of this is so that everyone can benefit from the feedback; we've found that people are fixing their own mistakes just by seeing them corrected in other peoples work :) so you get awesome, specific, detailed feedback on your writing, while at the same time we compile a portfolio of student works and feedback that can benefit everyone at the same time. It's a win win :)

We've never had any issues with plagiarism or anything of the sort, and we've done marking for NSW all year, so no stress there :)

You can find the marking threads by navigating to the board for that subject; usually it is in orange near the top of the page. For example, this is the AoS board, and you'll see marking threads for essays and creative writing right near the top of the list :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 21, 2016, 02:32:01 am
Attention All!

Elyse and I have been pretty relaxed on the essay marking post restriction in the last fortnight or so, but things are picking up again, and so we're now going back to being strict. Full details in the original post of this thread, but remember, every 15 Posts on ATAR Notes qualifies you for one essay marked. You can't increase this count by spamming threads or playing in the Forum Games section; they must be genuine posts that contribute to the community. Have a chat! Ask a question! All that good stuff ;D

Best of luck to everyone on their first round of assessments! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: bsdfjnlkasn on December 25, 2016, 10:38:12 pm
Hey there,

I'm new here and was just wondering if you qualified for post points if you reviewed notes given for free in the notes section?
Also, this seems like a great idea and is really considerate of those who don't have cash to splash around, you know?
Hoping to send some stuff through soon :D

Thank you!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on December 25, 2016, 11:44:10 pm
Hey there,

I'm new here and was just wondering if you qualified for post points if you reviewed notes given for free in the notes section?
Also, this seems like a great idea and is really considerate of those who don't have cash to splash around, you know?
Hoping to send some stuff through soon :D

Thank you!

Hey hey! Welcome to the forums! ;D

We are really happy we can do this for you guys ;D thanks heaps for reviewing the notes, but unfortunately we can't count it, purely because there is no easy way to include those reviews in the count without physically going through and checking all of them. The count you need (using me as an example) is the number you see to the left of this text below my display picture!! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: bsdfjnlkasn on December 26, 2016, 11:31:55 am
Hey hey! Welcome to the forums! ;D

We are really happy we can do this for you guys ;D thanks heaps for reviewing the notes, but unfortunately we can't count it, purely because there is no easy way to include those reviews in the count without physically going through and checking all of them. The count you need (using me as an example) is the number you see to the left of this text below my display picture!! :)


Ahhh ok, so a long way to go for me haha .. I was just wondering if there was a way that I could be notified if I have been replied to on a post because I had to manually select this post and have a look (which I don't mind having to do) but for future use where I (hopefully) will posting all over the place it would be helpful having some central way to locate all the updates. But overall, this isn't too laborious so I don't mind looking through for myself  :)

Thanks again  8)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: RuiAce on December 26, 2016, 11:35:40 am

Ahhh ok, so a long way to go for me haha .. I was just wondering if there was a way that I could be notified if I have been replied to on a post because I had to manually select this post and have a look (which I don't mind having to do) but for future use where I (hopefully) will posting all over the place it would be helpful having some central way to locate all the updates. But overall, this isn't too laborious so I don't mind looking through for myself  :)

Thanks again  8)
Haven't heard of much you can do with the website apart from checking that box to the left and keeping up with it. If you use the app you can get notifications for if your post was quoted, and just look at your unread threads.

Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: bsdfjnlkasn on December 26, 2016, 11:47:02 am
Ok cool! I didn't realise there was a button tracking this for me, thank you I have since found it!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: bsdfjnlkasn on January 03, 2017, 11:16:57 pm
As in, after one submission, does resubmitting the same essay constitute another 5 posts? Yes it does. The idea there, in addition to the regular rationale of ensuring the service remains useful and accessible, is that it demands you take some time away with the feedback and actively improve the work in every aspect. We'll give detailed feedback, and so you should use it to spend a decent amount of time improving the script. In that time, you can hang around the forums getting up the next 5 posts you need to get it marked again  ;D


Hey Jamon,

Regarding your question on one of the English forums (I'm really sorry, I couldn't find it now to name) asking where I read the 15 post and then 5 post for resubmission policy, it was here. But now I understand it's 15 posts for every essay - thanks for correcting me otherwise I would have just submitted the same essay twice haha.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: RuiAce on January 03, 2017, 11:33:15 pm

Hey Jamon,

Regarding your question on one of the English forums (I'm really sorry, I couldn't find it now to name) asking where I read the 15 post and then 5 post for resubmission policy, it was here. But now I understand it's 15 posts for every essay - thanks for correcting me otherwise I would have just submitted the same essay twice haha.

Thanks again!
That was prior to the increased count. It used to be 5 posts per essay altogether, but then the forum became more active and they had to raise the requirements.

The change to 15 per extended response occurred some time in July.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on January 03, 2017, 11:35:43 pm

Hey Jamon,

Regarding your question on one of the English forums (I'm really sorry, I couldn't find it now to name) asking where I read the 15 post and then 5 post for resubmission policy, it was here. But now I understand it's 15 posts for every essay - thanks for correcting me otherwise I would have just submitted the same essay twice haha.

Thanks again!

Oh that's no worries at all! I had a feeling it was the old requirement peeking its head ;D I was afraid I'd written something wrong somewhere lol :P
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Rathin on January 03, 2017, 11:43:54 pm
Hey, does the free marking work via PM? or posting your essay/creative publicly? If so, have there ever been concerns about work getting copied?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: sudodds on January 03, 2017, 11:55:53 pm
Hey, does the free marking work via PM? or posting your essay/creative publicly? If so, have there ever been concerns about work getting copied?
I actually had someone PM me before the HSC exam asking if they could use my creative I posted. You know, the creative that I WAS ALSO USING. Shut that one down pretty quick haha.

I don't know the ins and outs of it haha, but I know that if its published online, then teachers also have access to it as well, so if anyone copied someone elses work, it wouldn't be hard for a teacher to find out. A lot of teachers use plagarism checkers, where they just need to type in a few sentences. I'm assuming ATARnotes would pop up in this as well.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on January 04, 2017, 12:19:13 am
I actually had someone PM me before the HSC exam asking if they could use my creative I posted. You know, the creative that I WAS ALSO USING. Shut that one down pretty quick haha.

I don't know the ins and outs of it haha, but I know that if its published online, then teachers also have access to it as well, so if anyone copied someone elses work, it wouldn't be hard for a teacher to find out. A lot of teachers use plagarism checkers, where they just need to type in a few sentences. I'm assuming ATARnotes would pop up in this as well.

Very correct! I'll add that the user who messaged you (I believe) pulled that behaviour on a few people; if it's the same person I'm thinking of, we made sure they couldn't see anyones work pretty bloody quick. We take that very seriously :)

All essay marking is public; the feedback is helpful to others beyond just the person who wrote the piece. It can help people identify issues in their own work. Kind of like one of those books of past essay responses you can buy from BOSTES; except ours is free and covers a range of skill levels. There are Band 6 essays in the threads, there are also Band 2 essays in the threads. The feedback we provide can reveal which is which and potentially give you a better view of your own work ;D

We've done essay marking in NSW for nearly a year now; we had no issues in 2016! And as I mentioned; we take plagiarism very seriously. And that's for everyone; we actually had a few people submit plagiarised essays for feedback last year. And I'm just sitting here like, "Why?"  :P

Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: DalvinT on January 27, 2017, 11:00:32 pm
Hey there!! Is it possible to PM one of the moderators that moderate English ? For example, Elyse...
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on January 28, 2017, 12:01:28 pm
Hey there!! Is it possible to PM one of the moderators that moderate English ? For example, Elyse...

You can definitely PM Elyse or myself (click my username and select 'Send Message') if you need to chat about something, but we can't mark your essays privately :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: DalvinT on January 28, 2017, 05:51:08 pm

You can definitely PM Elyse or myself (click my username and select 'Send Message') if you need to chat about something, but we can't mark your essays privately :)

Ahhh i see! Though, people may plagiarise our essay or ideas... which is why I don't really want to share my publicly for marking.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on January 28, 2017, 06:09:22 pm
Ahhh i see! Though, people may plagiarise our essay or ideas... which is why I don't really want to share my publicly for marking.

Definitely understand your concerns, but we've never had any issue it. No complaints about it in all of 2016!! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: sudodds on January 28, 2017, 09:44:38 pm
Ahhh i see! Though, people may plagiarise our essay or ideas... which is why I don't really want to share my publicly for marking.

This was a concern I had as well when I first posted an essay, but remember that a lot of teachers use a plagarism checker. You basically just need to type in a few sentences and hey presto! Your post will come up if someone copied some/all of it.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jakesilove on January 28, 2017, 10:06:18 pm
This was a concern I had as well when I first posted an essay, but remember that a lot of teachers use a plagarism checker. You basically just need to type in a few sentences and hey presto! Your post will come up if someone copied some/all of it.

And if we catch wind that anything even remotely dodgy is going on, we have developed loads of cool sleuthing techniques to work out what's happening, and how to stop it as soon as possible. I would feel pretty damn safe posting an essay on our forums :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on January 29, 2017, 01:08:30 am
I would feel pretty damn safe posting an essay on our forums :)

I mean, look at Jake's display picture right there. Would you want to plagiarise an essay with this guy keeping watch? I know I wouldn't  8)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: chloeannbarwick on April 24, 2017, 02:03:03 pm
it must be hard for you guys to keep track of how many points people need!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 24, 2017, 05:06:52 pm
it must be hard for you guys to keep track of how many points people need!

I have a huge spreadsheet with links to everyones profiles, we track it that way ;)

You are short 2 posts for your essay in the Advanced board by the way Chloe! Most of your posts have been super helpful and awesome, so thank you! A few were removed because they were in old threads (you get warned if it is more than a month old) or otherwise considered spam. Don't stress, happens to a lot of people - Basically it prevents people posting just to get stuff marked :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: chloeannbarwick on April 25, 2017, 07:47:07 pm
I have a huge spreadsheet with links to everyones profiles, we track it that way ;)

You are short 2 posts for your essay in the Advanced board by the way Chloe! Most of your posts have been super helpful and awesome, so thank you! A few were removed because they were in old threads (you get warned if it is more than a month old) or otherwise considered spam. Don't stress, happens to a lot of people - Basically it prevents people posting just to get stuff marked :)

That makes sense! It's actually a really good system that you have going here! I'm really looking forward to using this site for the remainder of my schooling!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: ollawren on June 04, 2017, 01:14:52 pm
Hey, 
I know I'm kind of late to this party, but I was at the Caufield Expo and one of the guy's working for ATAR Notes told me that I could send in my practice essays to be marked. I'm in VCE, and looking at these posts, I've only seen people from HSC. Do you still grade essays for VCE students as well??
thx thx thx :))))))))))))))))
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 04, 2017, 07:17:28 pm
Hey, 
I know I'm kind of late to this party, but I was at the Caufield Expo and one of the guy's working for ATAR Notes told me that I could send in my practice essays to be marked. I'm in VCE, and looking at these posts, I've only seen people from HSC. Do you still grade essays for VCE students as well??
thx thx thx :))))))))))))))))


Hey! Welcome, fashionably late I'd say ;)

I reckon they were talking about the VCE English Work Submission and Marking Section - I reckon go post your essay in there! Pretty sure they don't go by all the posting requirement stuff we do in the HSC ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: bearbear on June 17, 2017, 01:08:48 pm
Hi, I'm just a bit confused as to how many posts are needed to have an essay marked. I new to ATARNotes and I have been reading through the forums and some places I have seen that you need 15 posts and other places I have seen that you only need 5.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on June 17, 2017, 01:17:44 pm
Hi, I'm just a bit confused as to how many posts are needed to have an essay marked. I new to ATARNotes and I have been reading through the forums and some places I have seen that you need 15 posts and other places I have seen that you only need 5.

Hey! The requirement is 15 posts everywhere. It used to be 5 posts, but we upped it as the forums got busier ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Hebah on June 22, 2017, 12:23:24 am
I'm late to! I wish I knew about this earlier because i really really appreciate this service you guys offer, itll help me so much hopefully!
This might be a really dumb question, I apologise.
Can I ask if the legitimate posts must be 15 posts collectively for one essay to be marked? Or if its for an english essay I have to post in the english section or legal essay I have to post in the legal?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Wales on June 22, 2017, 12:25:33 am
I'm late to! I wish I knew about this earlier because i really really appreciate this service you guys offer, itll help me so much hopefully!
This might be a really dumb question, I apologise.
Can I ask if the legitimate posts must be 15 posts collectively for one essay to be marked? Or if its for an english essay I have to post in the english section or legal essay I have to post in the legal?

I believe it's anywhere :) Help others out, ask for help. As long as the contributions are meaningful then you're set!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Aaron on June 22, 2017, 12:26:10 am
Collective :) You can post anywhere. As long as your posts are valid (meaning not just spam), then they'll be fine.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 10, 2017, 12:25:09 am
With the Trial period upon us, our essay marking services are getting very busy. To make sure your markers can keep up without skimping on the detail, the posting requirement has been increased to 25 posts per response. All essays posted from today onwards (10th July) and for the foreseeable future will "cost" 25 posts :)

If you are unsure about how many posts you need to be eligible for your next bit of feedback, give a shout! ;D

Note: A reminder that the 25 posts need to be genuine contributions. Posting a heap of 10 word questions in different threads as fast as you can just to get an essay marked is really obvious, and we'll delete spam like this as we need to. The more we have to deal with this, the less time we have to mark, and the more the requirement goes up. We hope everyone can understand the intent of this system, and we're keen to help as many of you with your responses as we can ;D

Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: rodero on July 10, 2017, 03:12:33 pm
Hey I'd like to post my creative for marking soon. How many posts do I need to become eligible? I seem to have lost count :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 10, 2017, 03:19:36 pm
Hey I'd like to post my creative for marking soon. How many posts do I need to become eligible? I seem to have lost count :)

You needed 70, so you're all set :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: johnk21 on July 16, 2017, 07:39:57 pm
Hi,
I would love to use your essay marking service but I am worried about someone copying my essay and plagiarizing it...
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: brenden on July 16, 2017, 09:03:47 pm
Hi,
I would love to use your essay marking service but I am worried about someone copying my essay and plagiarizing it...

You have to weigh up the pros and the cons :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 16, 2017, 11:04:28 pm
Hi,
I would love to use your essay marking service but I am worried about someone copying my essay and plagiarizing it...


Will add that in a year and a half of marking there have been no issues with plagiarism that we know of ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: georgiia on July 23, 2017, 02:06:12 pm
Could someone please let me know how many more posts I need to have something marked?

Thank you!!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 23, 2017, 02:43:06 pm
Could someone please let me know how many more posts I need to have something marked?

Thank you!!

You needed 55 so you are there already! The one after that will need 80 posts ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: georgiia on July 23, 2017, 03:17:56 pm
You needed 55 so you are there already! The one after that will need 80 posts ;D

I've posted photos of my short answer onto that thread so If I want a creative I wrote today marked instead, do I take down the short answers?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 24, 2017, 01:59:56 am
I've posted photos of my short answer onto that thread so If I want a creative I wrote today marked instead, do I take down the short answers?

In honesty, you'll be waiting a few days for feedback on the Creative anyway, you'll probably make the six extra posts you need by then :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: georgiia on July 24, 2017, 11:04:54 am
In honesty, you'll be waiting a few days for feedback on the Creative anyway, you'll probably make the six extra posts you need by then :)
In honesty, you'll be waiting a few days for feedback on the Creative anyway, you'll probably make the six extra posts you need by then :)

Very true
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: TheFreeMarketeer on July 25, 2017, 04:10:20 pm
Hey, can someone clarify how much I need left?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 26, 2017, 12:01:34 am
Hey, can someone clarify how much I need left?

Hey! You've had feedback before, but it was super brief because we were busy, didn't count it towards your count :)

So, you are still fresh! First response at 25, next at 50, etc :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on July 27, 2017, 06:57:20 pm
with my amount of posts will that count towards two essays being marked? i tried so hard to get to 50 by today so i can post my essays tomorrow 😂
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 27, 2017, 09:58:16 pm
with my amount of posts will that count towards two essays being marked? i tried so hard to get to 50 by today so i can post my essays tomorrow 😂

And what an incredible contribution you've made in doing so! Yep, 50 posts is two responses for sure, post away ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: TheFreeMarketeer on July 27, 2017, 11:49:17 pm
Hey, just another question - are Extension 2 Majors 25 posts as well?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 27, 2017, 11:57:58 pm
Hey, just another question - are Extension 2 Majors 25 posts as well?

I think Elyse does EX2 majors on a case by case basis, it would be worth shooting her a PM about it! But it would definitely be more than 25 posts, or it might be completely separate from the post requirement altogether. Ultimately it is up to Elyse, marking an EX2 major is a huge undertaking and not something that is included in the regular marking rules :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 04, 2017, 08:36:37 pm
Essay Marking Threads have reopened!

Addtionally: As the forums get busier, there are more and more essays for us to mark, and we love this! However, we want to ensure we can continue providing quality feedback, and prioritising that quality feedback to the most deserving members of our community. For this reason, the post count will be permanently changed to 25 posts per response (and may be subject to further increases closer to the HSC period). Obviously we want to be giving as much help as possible, but we need to make sure we have the balance right ;D

Good luck to all for the rest of your Trials! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: elysepopplewell on August 04, 2017, 09:18:09 pm
As an extra note..

Giving peers feedback on their work is incredibly beneficial for you. You critically view the work of others, and consequently may find an example of writing that is really strong in an area you could improve. Your analytical skills improve, you read new views about similar topics, and consider new ways of approaching structures. And, what a helpful way to get your post count up!

Helping others never ever goes unnoticed, and it warms my stressed little heart to see students helping students :')
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 24, 2017, 11:35:50 pm
HEY ALL!

The HSC is fast approaching, and we know that there will be lots of people wanting feedback on their work. Based on the Trial period and on how busy we were for the HSC last year, we're expecting crazy demand. We're keen to help as much as we can, but as always we need to prioritise our most valuable contributors, and make sure we're still able to answer loads of questions, prepare our HSC revision videos (first ones out very soon get keeeeen), prepare our Head Start lectures, and do all the other awesome stuff we love doing for you guys.

To help us manage this, the post requirement for essay marking will (starting now) be raised to 50 posts through the HSC period.

Keen to help everyone as much as possible over these next few weeks - Not long to go!! ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: georgiia on September 27, 2017, 03:38:40 pm
What's the deal with posting handwritten essays? I'm wondering for english mostly. I've been handwriting responses lately because I retain more so just wanted to check. Also, I'm not sure how many posts i'm reading since the post count has changed. Thank you:)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: pikachu975 on September 27, 2017, 03:41:10 pm
What's the deal with posting handwritten essays? I'm wondering for english mostly. I've been handwriting responses lately because I retain more so just wanted to check. Also, I'm not sure how many posts i'm reading since the post count has changed. Thank you:)

I think you can post photos of them or scan them as long as it's legible. Post count is 25 for an essay/creative.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Natasha.97 on September 27, 2017, 03:42:22 pm
I think you can post photos of them or scan them as long as it's legible. Post count is 25 for an essay/creative.

Hey!

The post count has been increased to 50 per essay :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: georgiia on September 27, 2017, 03:59:02 pm
Hey!

The post count has been increased to 50 per essay :)

Thanks, but I was wanting to know how many I have to go ahaha :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Potatohater on September 30, 2017, 10:26:07 am
Damn, I was gonna upload my essay thinking the post count was 25, oh well, lucky I saw this before I accidentally broke the rules haha
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 30, 2017, 03:02:19 pm
Damn, I was gonna upload my essay thinking the post count was 25, oh well, lucky I saw this before I accidentally broke the rules haha

You are close - Just five posts away! ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Wales on October 01, 2017, 12:33:12 am
Anyone able to check how many I've got left? Joined when the post count 15 or something and now it's 50 aha, completely understand though.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 01, 2017, 10:26:26 am
Anyone able to check how many I've got left? Joined when the post count 15 or something and now it's 50 aha, completely understand though.

If you get to 505, you'll qualify for seven essays marked :)

Yeah, purely out of necessity - We literally just couldn't keep up if the count was lower (and even this could be a stretch) ;)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Wales on October 02, 2017, 10:50:11 am
If you get to 505, you'll qualify for seven essays marked :)

Yeah, purely out of necessity - We literally just couldn't keep up if the count was lower (and even this could be a stretch) ;)

Sweet! Thanks. I'd imagine the hoard of people coming from the AN Lectures would have been a large influx :P

Greatly appreciate the work you do for the forum and all us students!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: sidzeman on October 03, 2017, 02:51:58 pm
For when we submit our essays for marking - do we do so by posting them here or personally emailing them to you? Just asking because I'd prefer not to post and then be caught up on plagiarism if the HSC markers do an internet search of some sentences ahahaha
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 03, 2017, 03:03:04 pm
For when we submit our essays for marking - do we do so by posting them here or personally emailing them to you? Just asking because I'd prefer not to post and then be caught up on plagiarism if the HSC markers do an internet search of some sentences ahahaha

You post them to the relevant essay marking thread as linked in the original post ;D

Unfortunately we aren't able to mark via PM - This subtracts from the collaborative process we are trying to build, prevents other users from benefitting from the feedback ("Oh, I actually do the same thing that user did, I better fix it like Jamon said to!") and makes things too difficult to handle from a logistical perspective :)

We've marked hundreds of pieces for people and have had no issues - You aren't plagiarising after all, it's your work! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: sidzeman on October 03, 2017, 03:10:31 pm
ahhh I see that makes sense. Could you possibly check if I qualify for having an essay marked as well?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 03, 2017, 07:05:24 pm
ahhh I see that makes sense. Could you possibly check if I qualify for having an essay marked as well?

Yep, you've earned an essay marked! You get your next one at 100 posts ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: mystermark on October 07, 2017, 08:33:25 pm
Hi,

I was wondering on how to answer this question: "How effective are statutory and judicial guidelines as a means of achieving justice?" and what cases I will need
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on October 07, 2017, 08:40:01 pm
Hi,

I was wondering on how to answer this question: "How effective are statutory and judicial guidelines as a means of achieving justice?" and what cases I will need


hi! any legal questions you have will be answered in this question thread.

structure-wise, you could do this: introduction, paragraph on statutory guidelines, paragraph on judicial guidelines, conclusion. important to remember that the recommended time for a crime response is half an hour, so you don't have to write as much. i hope that justifies my very weird essay structure i just gave... two body paragraphs? whaaaaat i can't remember any cases off the top of my head, so try looking for cases in the notes tab here. also - there's a ton of different examples you can use. they're LCMs, not just Cs, or Ls, or Ms. use a variety!

hope this helps,
fantasticbeasts
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: rodero on October 08, 2017, 06:41:05 pm
Hi,

I was wondering on how to answer this question: "How effective are statutory and judicial guidelines as a means of achieving justice?" and what cases I will need


R v Loveridge -> catalyst for mandatory sentencing for 'king hits'
R v Jacboson -> catalyst for mandatory life sentences for murdering a police officer
Not sure about judicial guidelines, though you could mention the case of R v Singh and his successful provocation defence, which set up a very exploitable precedent. Judges are then expected to follow this precedent, thus creating a culture of blaming the victim for the actions of the accused

EDIT: But yeah, from now on try to keep questions in their respective thread
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: mystermark on October 09, 2017, 11:24:13 am
R v Loveridge -> catalyst for mandatory sentencing for 'king hits'
R v Jacboson -> catalyst for mandatory life sentences for murdering a police officer
Not sure about judicial guidelines, though you could mention the case of R v Singh and his successful provocation defence, which set up a very exploitable precedent. Judges are then expected to follow this precedent, thus creating a culture of blaming the victim for the actions of the accused

EDIT: But yeah, from now on try to keep questions in their respective thread

Sorry for going off topic on the thread, but quick question for the r v loveridge and im sorry if its silly but how does the case relate to mandatory sentencing?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: mystermark on October 09, 2017, 11:36:48 am
So just to confirm, we have to do 50 posts on this website to get one essay marked?
So if I were to get an English essay marked I have to comment/create posts that are only English related?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 09, 2017, 11:38:18 am
HEY EVERYONE!

You might notice that this thread has been moved to a new dedicated HSC Marking and Feedback section! This section will be replacing the existing essay marking threads, for a few reasons:

- Each response will have its own thread for feedback, which makes it easier to track when you've gotten some help and easier to engage in continual dialogue about how to improve it!
- Easier for the moderators to manage their marking in a single list rather than in about a dozen different threads

But most importantly, this is to get the community more involved in the feedback. The moderators (the experts) provide fantastic feedback, but of course we can only mark so much and our feedback requires meeting a post count for that reason. You guys, as a community, can provide incredible feedback as well, and you can provide it to more people. By putting essay marking in its own board, everyone can be involved. Someone posts an essay, a few people offer tips or maybe even give detailed feedback like our moderators do. The moderators then offer feedback to the people who've been most helpful (as represented by building up the required posts!). This makes it completely community driven, and means people will get more feedback - From their peers and moderators - For the one response.

How it will work:
- Anyone can post a response for any subject in this board.
- Use the convention, "[SUBJECT]: [TOPIC]" for the thread topic, e.g., "Advanced: Discovery Essay" or similar, just something clear.
- If you want your essay looked at by a moderator, add a note to your response saying so! If you qualify we'll get it looked at, same as before! If not, we'll let you know how many posts you need.
- Anyone can give feedback, just reply with your thoughts! Even if others have already given feedback, feel free to add more.
- Even if a moderator has given feedback, feel free to add more.

What About the Old Threads?

They'll stay open until the HSC exam for that relevant subject is done - Then we'll lock them up and move them to an archive on this board so they are still viewable to benefit from! You can still use the old threads until they are locked, but we're encouraging people to use this new section!! :)



Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 09, 2017, 11:39:37 am
So just to confirm, we have to do 50 posts on this website to get one essay marked?
So if I were to get an English essay marked I have to comment/create posts that are only English related?

If you want it looked at by a moderator, yes! But you can post it and ask for feedback from your peers if you'd prefer - You don't need 50 posts for that :) the posts can be anywhere on the forums provided they adhere to the forum rules!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 09, 2017, 05:00:41 pm
ATTENTION!

All the English marking threads will be locked at midnight on Wednesday - Feedback submitted after that point would be received right before the exam, and it wouldn't be helpful to you!! So, we're setting the deadline so we can guarantee the list is clean by the start of the weekend, letting us focus on last minute questions :)

(All other threads will remain open!) :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: paigek3 on October 09, 2017, 05:16:31 pm
ATTENTION!

All the English marking threads will be locked at midnight on Wednesday - Feedback submitted after that point would be received right before the exam, and it wouldn't be helpful to you!! So, we're setting the deadline so we can guarantee the list is clean by the start of the weekend, letting us focus on last minute questions :)

(All other threads will remain open!) :)

Extension 1 too?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 09, 2017, 07:30:16 pm
Extension 1 too?

Just Std and Adv, including the AoS :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Henry Kocatekin on October 09, 2017, 10:28:20 pm
What's better/easiest for you guys? A link to a Google drive, an attachment or just copy and paste the essay in?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 09, 2017, 10:48:37 pm
What's better/easiest for you guys? A link to a Google drive, an attachment or just copy and paste the essay in?

Whichever!! Google Drive links can get a little annoying with permissions and such so probably one of the latter ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Henry Kocatekin on October 09, 2017, 10:52:14 pm
Okay Thank you.
Is Module A, Richard III and Looking for Richard okay?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 09, 2017, 10:55:04 pm
Okay Thank you.
Is Module A, Richard III and Looking for Richard okay?

Sure thing - Anything clear enough to understand at a glance is great ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: sidzeman on October 10, 2017, 11:06:51 am
Sorry so if I've already posted an essay on the old Adv End modules only essay marking, will I have to repost or will I still receive feedback in that thread?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 10, 2017, 11:22:18 am
Sorry so if I've already posted an essay on the old Adv End modules only essay marking, will I have to repost or will I still receive feedback in that thread?

You're all good - We'll still watch them until the HSC exam for that subject (Elyse started yours this morning I think) ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 11, 2017, 07:32:30 pm
Final Reminder: Area of Study, Advanced and Standard marking threads will be locked at midnight tonight!! This is so all feedback can be given by Saturday - Feedback after then isn't going to be useful for you! Ask lots of questions guys, we're keen to help as much as we can :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 12, 2017, 10:51:00 am
As mentioned, the English marking threads were locked last night, and Elyse and I will only be able to provide detailed feedback on essays posted up to this point. However, everyone should keep posting their responses in the Marking Section, swapping feedback and collaborating - We'll chime in with brief comments when/if we can ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: ilovemycat on November 05, 2017, 04:40:33 pm
Hi there, since the HSC eng exam is over is the post requirement still 50?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 05, 2017, 05:21:27 pm
Hi there, since the HSC eng exam is over is the post requirement still 50?

It will be 50 until the end of the last HSC exam, which is on Tuesday (purely for fairness) ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: ilovemycat on November 05, 2017, 08:14:07 pm
Oh okay cool :) How many posts are needed after tuesday? :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on November 19, 2017, 04:32:08 pm
- With the 2017 HSC concluded, the old marking threads have been archived. You can browse the archives right here. All future feedback will be given in this new marking section!
- The post requirement has been shifted back to 30 posts now that the HSC is concluded as well!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: SpanishPear on November 27, 2017, 09:11:07 am
Idk where i'd be tbh without ATARNotes  :-\
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Claudiaa on November 27, 2017, 08:58:06 pm
Hey! Just wondering, do I have enough posts to get an essay marked?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on December 20, 2017, 12:25:49 am
Hello~

If I have accumulated enough posts, is it possible for someone to mark my creative please? It's not exactly done and I'm honestly struggling. Its sorta a mix of hopefully descriptions (although they're most likely telling rather than showing) and jumbled together. Any ways to make this story more sophisticated? Thank you to whoever marks this!!

I'm going to split this into its own topic and provide you a link, you've got enough posts so we'll definitely get you some feedback there! ;D

Edit: The new topic! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Caleb Campion on January 22, 2018, 03:10:43 pm
Afternoon! I have constructed a draft discover essay assessment introduction, and was hoping to receive any feedback! Please give as many pointers as possible! The question is ' ''Catalysts to discovery may be unplanned, but the consequences are unplanned. Do you agree?'' Evaluate the Prescribed Text and one Other Related Text to support your viewpoint.'

- Driven by the unknown, discoveries become most meaningful when underpinned with emotional involvement and erudite understanding. These elements work to intensify individual experiences amidst changes of environment and the imposition of the unfamiliar. The catalysts to such discoveries may be planned, as observed in Ivan Mahoney’s multimedia ‘Go Back To Where You Came From’, or unplanned and serendipitous, as seen in Kate Chopin’s short story, ‘The Story of an Hour’. Yet despite personal foresight and assumption, the consequences of discovery remain perpetually unplanned, bearing the potential to be far-reaching and deeply transformative of one’s perspective.
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: samuel.reckling on January 30, 2018, 06:38:58 pm
Hi, when you say 5 posts, firstly, does that mean 5 posts answering other peoples essay questions and queeries, and secondly, where do I find these to start posting?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on January 30, 2018, 06:53:40 pm
Afternoon! I have constructed a draft discover essay assessment introduction, and was hoping to receive any feedback! Please give as many pointers as possible! The question is ' ''Catalysts to discovery may be unplanned, but the consequences are unplanned. Do you agree?'' Evaluate the Prescribed Text and one Other Related Text to support your viewpoint.'

- Driven by the unknown, discoveries become most meaningful when underpinned with emotional involvement and erudite understanding. These elements work to intensify individual experiences amidst changes of environment and the imposition of the unfamiliar. The catalysts to such discoveries may be planned, as observed in Ivan Mahoney’s multimedia ‘Go Back To Where You Came From’, or unplanned and serendipitous, as seen in Kate Chopin’s short story, ‘The Story of an Hour’. Yet despite personal foresight and assumption, the consequences of discovery remain perpetually unplanned, bearing the potential to be far-reaching and deeply transformative of one’s perspective.

hi! i wish i could mark this, but i'm awful at english, ahaha. for introductions and thesis stuff, post them here.

Hi, when you say 5 posts, firstly, does that mean 5 posts answering other peoples essay questions and queeries, and secondly, where do I find these to start posting?

hi, welcome to the forums!

if you scroll up a little in this thread, the post requirement is 30 posts. these posts just have to have substance, so that can include asking/answering questions, commenting on people's journals, etc. as for finding stuff, i just tried looking for the subject board i moderate, and i couldn't find it 😂😅
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on January 30, 2018, 10:46:21 pm
Driven by the unknown, discoveries become most meaningful when underpinned with emotional involvement and erudite understanding. These elements work to intensify individual experiences amidst changes of environment and the imposition of the unfamiliar. The catalysts to such discoveries may be planned, as observed in Ivan Mahoney’s multimedia ‘Go Back To Where You Came From’, or unplanned and serendipitous, as seen in Kate Chopin’s short story, ‘The Story of an Hour’. Yet despite personal foresight and assumption, the consequences of discovery remain perpetually unplanned, bearing the potential to be far-reaching and deeply transformative of one’s perspective.

I really like this introduction Caleb! The Thesis is clear and articulate, and you introduce the texts in a way that only makes it stronger. Good stuff! :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: alisoneom on February 13, 2018, 08:54:44 pm
A quick question about marking times - if I post my creative around tomorrow or Thursday, when can I expect to get feedback (both forum members and moderator / admins)? Also if a forum member gives me feedback on my work, can I still get feedback from moderators?  :D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on February 13, 2018, 08:58:25 pm
A quick question about marking times - if I post my creative around tomorrow or Thursday, when can I expect to get feedback (both forum members and moderator / admins)? Also if a forum member gives me feedback on my work, can I still get feedback from moderators?  :D

Probably over the weekend - I'll give it feedback by the end of the weekend if it hasn't been given feedback prior ;D

There might be changes to the marking procedure soon - Recently Elyse and I have just been trying to give a decent amount of pointers to as many people as possible, rather than spend an hour marking one piece in depth. Partly this is because almost no one has enough posts to qualify for proper marking yet, but maybe this system is better? Not sure - Stay tuned, would love to hear thoughts below if anyone has any :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: ninaacao on March 08, 2018, 11:06:42 pm
How Does This Section Work?

This section aims to be a one stop shop for feedback on any HSC response, for any subject. Be it a Creative writing piece, a Legal Studies essay, a long response for HSC Physics - You can post it here and get some feedback to help you improve it.

Let's face it - Usually the feedback we get from teachers is, well, not quite helpful. A correction of grammar here, a "More detail" there. Sometimes it is pretty clear they haven't even read the whole thing. Often we come away from the feedback with more questions that we had to begin with! And hey, if your overworked teach has 150+ posts to mark over a weekend, you can't really blame them. This section aims to rectify that feedback and supplement it with something better and more detailed.


Click here to post your response as a new topic in this board.

Use the convention: "[SUBJECT]: [ESSAY TOPIC]", for example, "English Advanced: Mod A Essay" or "English Standard: Great Gatbsy" or "Legal: Crime Essay!", or similar. Just something that makes it easy for people to see what your response is about!


Who Gives the Feedback?

Well, it's your peers! Or tutors. Or graduates. Our awesome ATAR Notes community. Anyone is welcome to give feedback on any response at any time - Ultimately every little piece of help is going to make you better. We strongly encourage everyone, no matter how "good" you think you are at a given subject, to help your peers and get help in return. Collaboration is the best way to learn!

Some of our moderators are expert markers. Literally, they've marked hundreds of responses for students over several years and helped all of them improve their marks. Our moderators will sit down with your essay for a solid half an hour, reading every line and giving you detailed comments throughout about what works, and what doesn't. We'll give you suggestions about how to improve it, and link you to any awesome resources on the site that we think will help you make the response fantastic.

This feedback has already helped hundreds of students boost their marks. Here is what one user said:

We just got our half yearly results back for our discovery paper 1 and I really just want to say thank you so much, because my discovery essay got 20/20!! Although I really did luck out with the question (It was "Discoveries can offer new understandings and renewed perceptions of ourselves and others. - Discuss" or something with that rubric line) I really wouldn't have been able to write anything to get that mark without your help!! English has been an endless struggle for me, and you've seriously really helped me.  I cried like a baby for a few minutes (let me paint you a picture - 2 classes packed into one room, me, on the floor, crying. yep.)

How do I get my essay marked by a moderator?

The detailed feedback provided by our moderators takes a long time. Thirty minutes to an hour... Hypothetically, if someone were being paid $30 an hour, that's a cost of $15 per essay, at least. That's how much you should be valuing the essay marking. It's not a 'cheap' or less valuable service just because it's free. Remember that. Our moderators like giving feedback as a just and rightful reward for those helping us grow. Our way of saying thank you.

This said, we don't have unlimited amounts of time to devote to marking, so we have a post exchange policy to make sure the most deserving members of the community get that feedback:

Every 30* posts on ATAR Notes merits you one essay/response marked by a moderator.

In other words, if you've made 150 posts, you're entitled to have five of your essays marked. If you've made 300 posts, you're entitled to 10 of your responses marked. You get the idea... Essay marking isn't just for everyone. It is for those who are a part of the community, engaging with the community and helping us make the forums a cooler and more helpful place for all :)

Note: These posts have to be real, actual contributions. It is very obvious when you are just posting the bare minimum to cheat the system, just to access this service. That's not what this is about, and people doing that ultimately take up time we could be spending marking and ruin the system for everyone else.

This is about rewarding contributions to the community - This includes asking questions, answering questions, engaging in discussion, contributing resource. Shit posts like "thanks", "haha", "wow", "this is a good one", "this is helpful" do NOT contribute, and we'll ignore those posts or delete them as necessary. 30 posts might seem like a lot, but trust us - If you get involved in discussion, it builds up faster than you'd think! :)

Once you have enough posts, to get an essay marked, just post it in this section as normal, and include a little request to have a moderator mark it! We'll let you know if you are eligible and get you feedback asap. You might even get feedback from your peers as well!

Ultimately, you guys drive this system. We want everyone to be posting their responses, everyone to be giving and receiving feedback, and the people who do that the most will accrue the required posts and be rewarded with the additional feedback from our moderators/lecturers. It's a totally community driven initiative.

What subjects have free essay marking?

You can ask for feedback for any subject you like, and hopefully one of your peers can help! If you are after feedback from a marker, we can help with:

- English Standard/Advanced
- English Extension 1
- English Extension 2
- Business Studies
- Modern History, Ancient History and History Extension
- Legal Studies
- Studies of Religion
- Visual Arts
- Drama

The old marking threads have been moved to a read only archive - Feel free to have a browse right here :)

Thanks for reading and getting involved! If you have any questions about essay marking, post them below!

Oh that seems to make sense! Thank goodness, I came across this
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jessica mo on April 03, 2018, 09:34:31 pm
Hi i'm new here!
i would like to know how many posts would be needed for me to get my creative/essay marked
thanks!
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: prickles on April 03, 2018, 09:40:49 pm
Hi i'm new here!
i would like to know how many posts would be needed for me to get my creative/essay marked
thanks!
Hey, and welcome!
At this stage, mainly because it is not too close to exam period, post it anyway! You'll definitely get some form of feedback - if you specifically want a mod to look at it, specify that, and you may have to wait a few days. If you need it really quick, I'm sure someone will be able to look at it.

Basically, post it anyway, someone will look at it, if you want deeper/more extensive feedback you may have to wait a few days.
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jessica mo on April 03, 2018, 09:45:33 pm
Hey, and welcome!
At this stage, mainly because it is not too close to exam period, post it anyway! You'll definitely get some form of feedback - if you specifically want a mod to look at it, specify that, and you may have to wait a few days. If you need it really quick, I'm sure someone will be able to look at it.

Basically, post it anyway, someone will look at it, if you want deeper/more extensive feedback you may have to wait a few days.
 ;D ;D
yea..i just had the english exam today..but will they change the post counts after the exam period?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jessica mo on April 03, 2018, 09:46:46 pm
Hey, and welcome!
At this stage, mainly because it is not too close to exam period, post it anyway! You'll definitely get some form of feedback - if you specifically want a mod to look at it, specify that, and you may have to wait a few days. If you need it really quick, I'm sure someone will be able to look at it.

Basically, post it anyway, someone will look at it, if you want deeper/more extensive feedback you may have to wait a few days.
 ;D ;D
i haven't posted anything yet..so i don't think i can get my stuff marked..right?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on April 03, 2018, 11:22:49 pm
yea..i just had the english exam today..but will they change the post counts after the exam period?

Yea, usually the post count changes before an exam period - usually trials or HSC.

i haven't posted anything yet..so i don't think i can get my stuff marked..right?

You can definitely get something marked! The post count is to get something marked by a moderator, but even if you don’t have enough posts and post an essay, your peers can look over it for you. :-)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jessica mo on April 04, 2018, 09:07:33 pm
Yea, usually the post count changes before an exam period - usually trials or HSC.

You can definitely get something marked! The post count is to get something marked by a moderator, but even if you don’t have enough posts and post an essay, your peers can look over it for you. :-)
so i can can just make a post named creative? and they will have a look at it?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 04, 2018, 09:17:45 pm
so i can can just make a post named creative? and they will have a look at it?

Yep! Post it up and anyone who is able to lend a hand will do their best :)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: bella13oo on April 09, 2018, 04:45:32 pm
Hi, sorry to be a pain but where can I find the place to post english extension one esays?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: fantasticbeasts3 on April 09, 2018, 06:31:59 pm
Hi, sorry to be a pain but where can I find the place to post english extension one esays?

Hi! You're not being a pain at all. :-) Just make a thread with your essay here. :-)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Calley123 on April 20, 2018, 04:41:49 pm
Hey, am I eligible to get my introduction history extension major work to get marked?
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 20, 2018, 08:45:46 pm
Hey, am I eligible to get my introduction history extension major work to get marked?


Post it up! Hopefully one of our History Extension gurus can give it a read! ;D
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 20, 2018, 10:02:24 pm
Split your post to its own topic Calley123! See here: https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=178403.0
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: Calley123 on April 21, 2018, 07:53:21 am
Split your post to its own topic Calley123! See here: https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=178403.0

Oh sorry ! Will do next time !
:)
Title: Re: Old Marking Rules
Post by: jamonwindeyer on April 21, 2018, 10:03:40 am
Oh sorry ! Will do next time !
:)

Oh no it's okay! I meant like, I split your post into its own topic. It was a heads up, not a command, ahahaha! All sweet my friend, genuinely hope you get some useful feedback ;D