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Shorten will ruin Australia
« on: April 24, 2019, 09:05:58 pm »
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Re: Shorten will ruin Australia
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2019, 10:37:00 am »
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Why am I replying to this hopefully any debate is engaging and safe lol

It is not exactly fair to condemn a political leader or to disparage their leadership ability due to their marital relations. Marital relationships are vastly different from national and global politics.

Regarding your comments about shifting loyalties, literally every single politician ever has had a 'shift in loyalty', especially in Australia where parites have replaced the Prime Minister at least a couple of times during the same term (eg. Gillard and Rudd and Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull and Turnbull and Scott Morrison). To say that Shorten is going to ruin Australia from this statement is also unreasonable; you must judge Morrison and various other party members (eg. Cory Bernardi, Abbott and I believe there may have been various One Nation 'defectors'?) by the same criteria.

Also, criminals are only those who are convicted of crimes and Shorten has not, to my knowledge, been convicted of any crime. I am sure that if he was guilty, that bribery, etc. on a national scale would be sorted and that if these allegations had any substance, that there would be more widespread media backlash than what there currently seems to be, unless this has already spilled over.

Your sources are also those that are highly biased against Labor eg. the 2 Andrew Bolt articles that you have linked. Also note that Andrew Bolt rarely provides mostly factual and unbiased material- he is, after all, an opinion writer.

It is also unreasonable to say that Labor does not deserve votes (if this is what you are saying) because of the supposed incompetence of their leader since governments' effectiveness is mostly determined by the skills and competence of the entire 'team' (what is the technical term?)

Just some things to think about. :)
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Re: Shorten will ruin Australia
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2019, 06:18:52 pm »
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Just my opinion but still...All those voting labor please double think it.

First things first, the type of man we are talking about is one who first wife - Debbie Beale - was a daughter of a successful business man and former Liberal MP. His second wife is  Chloe Bryce, daughter of the than Governor general. So basically, he just married for power. Disgusting if you ask me.
And yes, you may say it may not be why he married them, but instead was just love, and you may well be right. But than why I ask you why are both wife's daughters of such influential people, how were at both times cruical for Shortens Success. And why did he divorce Debbie Beale when the relationship with her father was no longer a worry to Shorten?

Bill Shorten's shifting loyalties should also be questioned, one example being when he was a large part of getting Julia Gillard in power. This move gave him more power as he was promoted to the Cabinet as Minister for Financial Services and Superannuation. In 2011, he was also given the position of Minister for Workplace Relations. Later on though, he was a major part of ousting Julia Gillard and reinstating Kevin Rudd.

The main point of worry I find though is he is not what he says he is, with one example of this being when he  the amount of times he has been caught acting in questionable ways, yet he is cleared of all guilt.
For example in his Union days he was found questionable of corruption and taking bribes. A shady character if you ask me. Do you really want a criminal running the country?

If your still not conviced here are a few sources to check;
https://mentored.com.au/learn/214-mark-bouris-why-bill-shorten-s-policies-are-bad-for-business
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/awu-junks-shortenera-dodgy--deal-as-bad-for-workers-update-but-abc-cant-see-a-story/news-story/e25c4ed84aa2ad8f18e68a76a84e8cb6
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/yet-another---of-those-dirty-deals-made-by-shortens-union/news-story/0e38eb4a384fe3c21d7f8103995acd18
http://www.robertclark.com.au/news/industrial-relations/other-industrial-relations/bill-shortens-union-took-payments-from-building-company/
https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/you-think-the-coalition-is-bad-look-at-labors-policies


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Re: Shorten will ruin Australia
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2019, 06:37:14 pm »
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lol

All you have to do is look at the supporting links you've posted just to see how bad this entire thread is
(e.g. Andrew Bolt, Robert Clark)

very unbiased indeedy.
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Re: Shorten will ruin Australia
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2019, 06:37:36 pm »
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Agreed with DBA-144 that his marital arrangements are not relevant. But just to elaborate a little bit more; the world we live in is very much structured around socio-economic, professional and educational lines (somewhat unfortunate), such that in the highest brackets of educational attainment and professional activities there's a high tendency for people to socialise and hence develop relationships with people from similar backgrounds and networks (similar to how many health professionals are in relationships with each other). Also the fact that he has flourish while being with his partners could be attributed to them being supportive of him (healthy relationships are important in life not just in a professional sense, and I'd say the the other person having a high status doesn't necessarily lead to those things-especially not on its own) rather than that he married them for power.
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