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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2007, 02:33:59 pm »
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Lol... I still don't get how you derived that from when you asked "do you feel the same about homosexuals"
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2007, 02:46:05 pm »
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Ok, im sorry, im not very good at expressing myself (think im going to fail english)

I do not support child abuse or child pornogrphay in any shape or form.
Someone said that people who enjoy child porn are sick freaks who deserve therapy etc
I asked if they felt the same way about homosexuals bcause neither has any control over who theyre sexually attracted to.

IF you had said that people who abuse children deserve all that, i completely agree, i think they should be shot... but people who find themselves sexually attracted to children are not automatically bad people for it, because they have no choice but being attracted to children.
WHEN they ACT on that impulse, despite the negative effects it can have to children, THEN they are bad people.
The reason it came up was because we were talking in the context of my year 7 teacher who was a great guy, i seriously admired him etc, but now hes a criminal who desreves jailing and therapy :S.
I was just trying to say that surely his having child porn on his computer isnt as bad as someone who goes out and rapes/abuses children?

Does that make more sense?  :?
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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2007, 02:48:08 pm »
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Mmk. That makes it a bit more understandable now, I guess.




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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2007, 02:50:24 pm »
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Quote from: "Galelleo"
Ok, im sorry, im not very good at expressing myself (think im going to fail english)

I do not support child abuse or child pornogrphay in any shape or form.
Someone said that people who enjoy child porn are sick freaks who deserve therapy etc
I asked if they felt the same way about homosexuals bcause neither has any control over who theyre sexually attracted to.

IF you had said that people who abuse children deserve all that, i completely agree, i think they should be shot... but people who find themselves sexually attracted to children are not automatically bad people for it, because they have no choice but being attracted to children.
WHEN they ACT on that impulse, despite the negative effects it can have to children, THEN they are bad people.
The reason it came up was because we were talking in the context of my year 7 teacher who was a great guy, i seriously admired him etc, but now hes a criminal who desreves jailing and therapy :S.
I was just trying to say that surely his having child porn on his computer isnt as bad as someone who goes out and rapes/abuses children?

Does that make more sense?  :?


It makes sense... :)
BUT! people who watch it, are in turn supporting those who commit the crime of actually making the porn, are they not??

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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2007, 02:51:50 pm »
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Quote from: "tankia"
Mmk. That makes it a bit more understandable now, I guess.




<3 Odette. Sigh. Okay. And while we're at it, we may as well tell them about Johnny...our secret love child :D


No no you weren't supposed to tell them about him lol ...
Oh well :P

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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2007, 02:53:01 pm »
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Quote from: "Galelleo"
Ok, im sorry, im not very good at expressing myself (think im going to fail english)

I do not support child abuse or child pornogrphay in any shape or form.
Someone said that people who enjoy child porn are sick freaks who deserve therapy etc
I asked if they felt the same way about homosexuals bcause neither has any control over who theyre sexually attracted to.

IF you had said that people who abuse children deserve all that, i completely agree, i think they should be shot... but people who find themselves sexually attracted to children are not automatically bad people for it, because they have no choice but being attracted to children.
WHEN they ACT on that impulse, despite the negative effects it can have to children, THEN they are bad people.
The reason it came up was because we were talking in the context of my year 7 teacher who was a great guy, i seriously admired him etc, but now hes a criminal who desreves jailing and therapy :S.
I was just trying to say that surely his having child porn on his computer isnt as bad as someone who goes out and rapes/abuses children?

Does that make more sense?  :?


It makes sense... :)
BUT! people who watch it, are in turn supporting those who commit the crime of actually making the porn, are they not??


Yes, that does provide support for the child abusers who are out there... and thats the whole basis why child porn shouldnt be allowed lol.
I dont think they should have child porn, yes its illegal, yes its wrong.
On that, i wanted to make the point that when most ppl who use/possess child porn DO use/possess it, theyre not doing it because they want to support the industry, although i suppose they appreciate the industry's existence... but their motivation is their own urges. (which is hwere the crime part comes in ... putting their own urges above the health/safety of others)
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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2007, 02:53:24 pm »
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Quote from: "Galelleo"
ISomeone said that people who enjoy child porn are sick freaks who deserve therapy etc
I asked if they felt the same way about homosexuals bcause neither has any control over who theyre sexually attracted to.

Does that make more sense?  :?


It made sense the first time.
The problem was the suggestion that homosexuals are similar to people who buy child pornography

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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2007, 02:55:44 pm »
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Quote from: "Galelleo"

On that, i wanted to make the point that when most ppl who use/possess child porn DO use/possess it, theyre not doing it because they want to support the industry, although i suppose they appreciate the industry's existence... but their motivation is their own urges.


I don't get the point here. The same could be said for alot of crimes, could it not? Doesn't change anything

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« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2007, 02:56:22 pm »
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ISomeone said that people who enjoy child porn are sick freaks who deserve therapy etc
I asked if they felt the same way about homosexuals bcause neither has any control over who theyre sexually attracted to.

Does that make more sense?  :?


It made sense the first time.
The problem was the suggestion that homosexuals are similar to people who buy child pornography


i only meant that the nature of their sexuality is similar, in the way that they cant control nor choose it.
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« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2007, 02:58:23 pm »
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Quote from: "Galelleo"

On that, i wanted to make the point that when most ppl who use/possess child porn DO use/possess it, theyre not doing it because they want to support the industry, although i suppose they appreciate the industry's existence... but their motivation is their own urges.


I don't get the point here. The same could be said for alot of crimes, could it not? Doesn't change anything


The point is... their intention isnt the same as that of the child abusers.
They arent as bad because theyre not willing to physically abuse a child, simply exploit that its already been done.

Its really like winning a medal in the special olympics because theyre both despicable. I was just trying to discriminate the difference in severity.

The whole point is: I never thought my teacher was a bad person... now this... it doesnt make sense. (it seriously devastated me)
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« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2007, 06:43:21 pm »
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It is a quite light crime. It is the filming of child porn that breaks the law. The only crime in possession is that you are supporting the demand for it.


It is not a light crime. It is 'supporting the demand' for abusing children. Calling it a 'socially unacceptable private fetish' makes it sound like society is being intolerant.


I agree, the sick freaks who enjoy child pornography need rehabilitation and therapy (or in the predatorial cases - jailing), not people backing them up or diminishing the severity of their crime. The procuring and watching of child pornography is a truly foul and utterly despicable act.


goosefraba, you just repeated what I said. I would agree that society is intolerant of them. It is a socially unacceptable private fetish and that will not (and should not) change, but the stigma should be modified to a more compassionate stance. People with sexualities oriented towards children are only criminals if they choose to offend children. People should recognise that fetishes exist in all people: people have foot fetishes, asian fetishes, homosexual fetishes, etc. When someone happens to have a fetish for children, it is unfortunate because the only way they can "get off" is by supporting something that will always be inherently illegal (consent for kids under 10 is impractical -- although Japan does it: no age of consent).

This situation reminds me of this quote:
"What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly - that is the first law of nature." ? Voltaire

We should continue to apprehend those who participate in child abuse crimes, but we should not punish those who have a private fetish that has remained private for their whole lives. My teacher was one of them. Nine months in jail is not going to help anything, and if you think it will, you have a silly view of justice. Rehabilitation sounds better, I agree with enwiabe, but I wouldn't call them "sick freaks." I'd say they were dealt with a bad hand.

In retrospect, I should have said "socially incompatible fetish." It's incompatible with society because the very nature of it involves breaking the law.

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« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2007, 06:53:57 pm »
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Japanese prefecture law overrides the Japanese constitutional law on age of consent.

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« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2007, 06:58:41 pm »
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When someone happens to have a fetish for children, it is unfortunate because the only way they can "get off" is by supporting something that will always be inherently illegal (consent for kids under 10 is impractical -- although Japan does it: no age of consent).


Impractical? I would have said wrong

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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2007, 07:00:55 pm »
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When someone happens to have a fetish for children, it is unfortunate because the only way they can "get off" is by supporting something that will always be inherently illegal (consent for kids under 10 is impractical -- although Japan does it: no age of consent).


Impractical? I would have said wrong


I'm not going to be morally biased like you. I say it's impractical because it's not legally practical to expect children to consent without a great risk of manipulative coercion.

When you say it is "wrong," it is bigoted in that you are implying children should never have sex, despite whether they have right to consent or not.

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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2007, 07:06:03 pm »
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I'm not going to be morally biased like you. I say it's impractical because it's not legally practical to expect children to consent without a great risk of manipulative coercion.

When you say it is "wrong," it is bigoted in that you are implying children should never have sex, despite whether they have right to consent or not.


How is it bigoted that I don't believe children under 10 should have sex?
And it is not being 'morally biased' - both my opinion and your opinion are affected by our own morals, wether we agree or not, and that is not a bad thing