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Title: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: sudodds on December 09, 2016, 11:30:14 pm
Hey guys!  ;D
The History Extension forum was a little bit (or a lotta bit) lacking in regards to advice and tips, so I thought I'd write up a quick guide about how to approach the Major Work component of the course, which makes up the majority of your internal mark! For my own major work, I received 39/40 and came 2nd in the HTA Extension History Essay Prize. My overall HSC Mark for History Extension was 48/50. These are the methods I used to get these results, however keep in mind that the major work is a highly personalised project, and what worked for me may not work for you. Either way, I hope this is found to be useful! (also keep in mind that this is just in regards to the major work, not the overall subject)

What is the Major Work?

The Major Work is worth roughly 80% of your internal mark, making it blessing... or a curse. Basically, if you work really hard and smash the major work, then you can be confident that even if the in class essays don't go the way that you would like, you will still get a good mark overall. HOWEVER just to be clear you cannot neglect your in class essay skills, as the major work (unlike in a lot of other subjects) is marked internally, rather than by a panel of external markers. This means that if you smash the major work but muck up the HSC exam, your major work mark will be readjusted to match your poorer exam result  :-\

But anyway, what does the major work require? History Extension doesn't focus on 'History', but 'Historiography'. Unlike the historical investigation in year 11, your major work can't just be on a historical event or person, but instead upon the perceptions/perspectives/writings of that historical event or person, and why these perceptions/perspectives/writings have developed (more general questions are also acceptable... more on that later). An easy way to think about it is your main subjects are the historians, and not the historical figures, so make sure that you really understand your historians. Go further than just reading their published works (which you really MUST do btw), look into their biography, other historians opinions upon your historian, the sales statistics of their works, compare their early works to their later works, etc, etc. This will add depth to your essay, and demonstrate the extensive knowledge that is required to ace the course :)

Coming up with a Question

Coming up with a question is one of the hardest parts, and also the one that I guarantee you will change multiple times before you are happy with it. My biggest tips are to find out what not only you are interested in, but also what your teacher is as well. Though the Major Work is an independent project, there should still be considerable collaboration with your teacher. A lot of history extension teachers specialise in a particular area, whether that be post-modernism, social history etc, so if you can find a topic that matches with their knowledge base, that will help a great deal also! For example, my teacher was a marxist, so I chose a question that was centered around marxist dialectics, which luckily (if you can't tell from my dp  8)) I find quite interesting. Being able to bounce ideas off of a literal expert understandably proves quite useful ;)

Also, try and find a topic that is unique and different. As much as I'm sure someone could write an amazing essay and get great marks on these topics, questions surrounding the historical debates in regards to Cleopatra, King Henry the 8th or the Salem Witch Trials, the historical evidence for Atlantis and Holocaust denial have been done many, many, many times, to the extent where it can sometimes be difficult to find your own voice. Again, these are great areas of study and if that is what you are truely interested in then go for it! However try, even within those topics, to find maybe a different avenue of enquiry that'll make your essay stand out :) For example, a component of my essay was an examination of the legitimacy of Bill O'Reilly (fox news presenter) as a historian. O'Reilly, or as John Stewart refers to him "the mayor of bullshit mountain," is widely considered to be a poor historian to the extent whereby some do not consider him one at all, so writing a critique piece where I just parrot this view doesn't demonstrate much skill (I know this because that was my original essay  ;)) Instead, I decided to write about how Bill O'Reilly IS a historian, and that his existence and success is more so a reflection upon the failures of the current state of the discipline - a more interesting and unique approach.

Another thing to consider is what type of topic you want to focus on. Most questions fall under one of these:
- Debates surrounding (particular historical event/person/issue): These questions take a particular historical issue - for example the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Abraham Lincoln or the Roman Empire - and discuss, usually one, debate in regards to their nature. The argument should not be centered necessarily on which side of the debate is - in your view - true, but moreso as to why particular historians, from different socio-cultural and philosophical backgrounds, are on a certain side at all. For example, why does a right-wing historian like Robert Service have a different interpretation of Leon Trotsky compared to a member of the British Marxist Historians such as Eric Hobsbawm?

- Evaluation of (particular historian): These questions take a particular historian and their body of work, and analyse them, trying to work out common themes within their works, and why - based on their background, political views, etc. - they have come to the conclusions that they have on particular issues. These can take the form of a critique or an appraisal, however as stated before, try not to just parrot the criticisms and praise of others - find your own avenue of enquiry.

- Concept driven: These are the questions that aren't necessarily (they can be) bound by a historical event, person or issue, or a particular historian. Instead, they are based around historiographical, historical and sociological concepts, for example postmodernism, Big History, marxism, empiricism etc. These can also take the form of a critique or affirmation of the specific concepts legitimacy and value within history. These questions vary greatly, and often take a more general approach, rather than focusing specifically on a single issue. My major work was based around the Hegelian Maoist dialectical concept of the interpenetration of opposites. :)

Writing The Essay
In terms of writing the essay, your structure and methodology should be similar to the way you write any other essay, however these are a few things to keep in mind :)

- Use your Synopsis as your introduction: This a great way to cut down on your words if you are struggling with the word limit, as it basically allows you an extra 250-300 word leg room. Your teacher may be fussy about this, BUT i'd say that if the HTA accepts it then your teacher bloody well should too ;) If you're struggling to structure your synopsis, just write it like an introduction (because that is what it essentially is anyway!)

- Reference as you go!!!: Do not leave this to the end dear god. Keep a bibliography as you go (Harvard referencing ofc) or you will have a very stressful time near the due date trying to find all of the sources that you used, and trust me there should be a lot of them.

- Log as you go!!!: Also a big one that everyone forgets about! Every time you make any changes - major or minor - always write it down in your log book. Your teacher may have their own rules in regards to this, but I recommend keeping your logbook on your laptop rather than having a hard paper copy. Its way easier to be lazy when you have to physically write something down ;) Also, remember the log doesn't just have to be reflections, also keep any articles/readings you used, drafts and redrafts of your work, comments made my teachers and other people that you got to read over your drafts, etc, etc.

- Use endnotes, not footnotes: This is just a small thing and probably won't affect your marks in the long run, however this is the format that the HTA expects if you or your teacher plans to submit your work into the competition :)

Other general tips :)
- Get in contact with the experts: If you can, send a couple of emails to some historians or historiographers with any questions you have. The worst that can happen is they won't reply, the best is that they do, and they end up becoming a very valuable resource to your investigation. For example, after attending a lecture run by him (very good btw 10/10 would recommend haha, if you go to the HTA study day with your school, make sure you go to his WW1 lecture), I asked Dr Bruce Dennett - a professional historiographer and once senior marker for extension history - if he would be willing to read over my essay. He said yes, and he gave me some of the most valuable and helpful feedback I received, that just after one phone meeting and subsequent redraft bumped up my mark considerably.

- Scrutinise your work: Every sentence you write, make sure that it is 100% backed up, supported, "correct" (in quotations, if you do extension then you know why  ;)) and NOT a generalisation. Do you think it requires an endnote, a preface, maybe a little bit more of an explanation? tbh... probably. Sometimes this can be really hard to do yourself, which leads me onto my next tip:

- Regularly write drafts and get feedback: I was very lucky that my teacher was a superstar and accepted a billion drafts, because I cannot begin to describe how much this process helped. When you spend so long writing something, it begins to just become 'blah,' if that makes sense. If it doesn't, what I mean is that you become a bit desensitised to it, no longer able to tell what is wrong and what needs work. Getting (if you can multiple) people to have a look and find them for you is extremely beneficial.

Continually work on it over the year... however make sure to take a break every once in a while: Do not, I repeat DO NOT leave your major work to the last minute. Yes, you may have heard anecdotes of people doing this and still getting a good mark, but if anything that is the exception, and most certainly not the rule. The project is just too big, and with the log book as well, it can be very easy to tell if a student has completed this the night before. So make sure that you are continually chipping away at it throughout the year, HOWEVER make sure to take a break every once in a while. This is not only because you have other subjects that you need to focus on to, but also because sometimes we become so invested in our work that it is difficult to take a step back and not only see issues with it, but also (sometimes) if you even make sense to someone that doesn't have such a deep understanding of your chosen topic. Taking a bit of a time out, and then returning to your work can enable you with a cleaner and less clouded view of your work, which enables you to better understand the direction it should be taken next. It also lets you avoid a burnout as much as possible, which is always a plus!

Anyways, I hope this helped at least someone (and drove a bit more traffic to this section of ATARnotes hahaha) :) Congratulations if you are a new history extension student because it is a great subject, and I wish you all the best for your major work. If you are someone trying to decide whether to pick up the subject, I hope this helped you make a decision that is right for you! If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask because I'm sure I missed out a lot of stuff ahaha.

Good luck everyone!! xx



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Post by: jamonwindeyer on December 09, 2016, 11:58:50 pm
Stickied, awesome stuff sudodds, thanks heaps!! ;D
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Post by: heids on December 10, 2016, 10:09:02 pm
yusssssssssssssssssssssssssss I love this <3
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Post by: sudodds on December 12, 2016, 09:31:24 pm
Stickied, awesome stuff sudodds, thanks heaps!! ;D
yusssssssssssssssssssssssssss I love this <3

Happy to help :)
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Post by: jamonwindeyer on December 12, 2016, 09:43:38 pm
Happy to help :)

I cannot wait for those boxes in your signature to get filled in; so excited!! ;D
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Post by: olr1999 on February 06, 2017, 10:29:42 am
Hi! This was really helpful thankyou so much! Did you go straight from research, to a question to writing the essay? Or were there other things you did in the process of the project to help you?
Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: sudodds on February 06, 2017, 10:46:38 am
Hi! This was really helpful thankyou so much! Did you go straight from research, to a question to writing the essay? Or were there other things you did in the process of the project to help you?
Thanks!  ;D
I'm glad you found this useful!
In terms of my experience (and I think most peoples tbh) it definitely wasn't that straight forward. At the beginning of the process until really the end of term 1 I had a completely different question (and that wasn't even the last complete question change). I'm the type of person that cannot start researching until I know exactly what I am looking for, so I had to start with a question, which was developed in collaboration with my teacher, where we discussed what areas I was already interested in, what areas he could be most beneficial as a mentor/resource and where my analytical strengths lay. Then I almost immediately began to construct my response. I find it really tricky to separate research and writing and I have to do them simultaneously (often means that parts of my essay have to be re-written, but as the major work is a hand in that wasn't a big deal to me). Basically my process was a bit of a mis-matching rather than linear. My question would inform my research, which would change as I began to research more, which would shift the focus of my writing, which would force me to again adapt the question etc. etc. Don't be afraid to change your question/approach throughout if you have a gut feeling that it will work better for you - I know it did for me.

I'd say that the thing that was most beneficial to me was constant drafting and meetings with my teacher. Granted he was an expert in the area of study I chose so it might be different if you have a teacher that knows comparatively less about your field, however I still believe that that constant one to one attention to your work from a semi-outside perspective is sooooo valuable.
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Post by: Davian Thule on June 05, 2017, 09:03:24 pm
I wish I had of read this 5 weeks ago, definately helpful and i'll be coming back to it all night
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Post by: sudodds on June 05, 2017, 09:18:20 pm
I wish I had of read this 5 weeks ago, definately helpful and i'll be coming back to it all night
Well I'm glad it was still helpful in some capacity - even if a bit late :( If you need help with anything please let us know! :)

Susie
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Post by: bellerina on June 06, 2017, 09:17:23 pm
I'm glad you found this useful!
In terms of my experience (and I think most peoples tbh) it definitely wasn't that straight forward. At the beginning of the process until really the end of term 1 I had a completely different question (and that wasn't even the last complete question change). I'm the type of person that cannot start researching until I know exactly what I am looking for, so I had to start with a question, which was developed in collaboration with my teacher, where we discussed what areas I was already interested in, what areas he could be most beneficial as a mentor/resource and where my analytical strengths lay. Then I almost immediately began to construct my response. I find it really tricky to separate research and writing and I have to do them simultaneously (often means that parts of my essay have to be re-written, but as the major work is a hand in that wasn't a big deal to me). Basically my process was a bit of a mis-matching rather than linear. My question would inform my research, which would change as I began to research more, which would shift the focus of my writing, which would force me to again adapt the question etc. etc. Don't be afraid to change your question/approach throughout if you have a gut feeling that it will work better for you - I know it did for me.

I'd say that the thing that was most beneficial to me was constant drafting and meetings with my teacher. Granted he was an expert in the area of study I chose so it might be different if you have a teacher that knows comparatively less about your field, however I still believe that that constant one to one attention to your work from a semi-outside perspective is sooooo valuable.


I can defintely relate to this because i literally changed my research question three times! My fourth research question was the one that i was completely happy with... and it gave me more of a direction as to where my research should focus on! And i am glad i changed it because before, i felt very frustrated and i wasn't completely happy with the question, which impacted my motivation to do work... i did stop working for a horrible month but now, i have everything under control! Almost done with the major work, which is great because it gives me time to edit!  :)
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Post by: sudodds on June 06, 2017, 09:23:57 pm

I can defintely relate to this because i literally changed my research question three times! My fourth research question was the one that i was completely happy with... and it gave me more of a direction as to where my research should focus on! And i am glad i changed it because before, i felt very frustrated and i wasn't completely happy with the question, which impacted my motivation to do work... i did stop working for a horrible month but now, i have everything under control! Almost done with the major work, which is great because it gives me time to edit!  :)

Hahaha the struggles of a history extension student ;) Great work bellerina! You seem well on track to producing a fantastic response! Having the extra time to edit and refine is really valuable. What is your topic? :)
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Post by: bellerina on June 06, 2017, 10:03:06 pm
King Richard III of England
A Machiavellian or a vilified monarch?
Critically evaluate academic approaches to, and interpretations of Richard III over time  :)
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Post by: sudodds on June 06, 2017, 10:36:06 pm
King Richard III of England
A Machiavellian or a vilified monarch?
Critically evaluate academic approaches to, and interpretations of Richard III over time  :)

OOoo sounds super cool! British monarchy is definitely a very interesting (and hotly debated) area of history, that I can see you being able to weave an uber sophisticated response :) Good luck! If you need any help with anything let us know (even though it sounds as though you're almost finished anyway!)
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Post by: bellerina on June 06, 2017, 11:12:57 pm
OOoo sounds super cool! British monarchy is definitely a very interesting (and hotly debated) area of history, that I can see you being able to weave an uber sophisticated response :) Good luck! If you need any help with anything let us know (even though it sounds as though you're almost finished anyway!)

Yeah, i was curious whether you were able to look over the essay?
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Post by: sudodds on June 06, 2017, 11:18:01 pm
Yeah, i was curious whether you were able to look over the essay?
I'd be happy too! In fact I've actually been considering starting an essay marking thread for history extension (partly for my own enjoyment give how interesting I find this subject to be!)

EDIT: Well would you look at that!  ;) History Extension Essay Marking Thread is up  ;D
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Post by: bellerina on June 07, 2017, 08:18:58 am
Oh my gosh! Awesome  :D
Well hey, if we go back to the 'What is History' part of history extension...what is the best way to study for it?
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Post by: sudodds on June 07, 2017, 11:22:11 am
Oh my gosh! Awesome  :D
Well hey, if we go back to the 'What is History' part of history extension...what is the best way to study for it?
No worries! In terms of Section I it is very difficult to study. There isn't really "core content" in the same way that you get for modern or ancient - the topic is interpretive and while one school might place a particular focus on postmodernism, others might look more closely at the British Marxist Historians! Thus annotated readings are imo the best method of writing notes. Practice papers as well are a MUST. A history extension essay is so different from any other HSC essay you can receive, so the more practice you get the better!

Finally and probably most importantly you need to DEVELOP A VOICE! I'm your responses your own voice and opinion must be shining through, otherwise it is just a list of Historians and opinions. Debate and discussion with others is soooo helpful and important :) Highly recommend checking out the History Extension Debate Thread if you want help developing your voice. If there was one thread I'd recommend to history extension students above all else it would be that. (on my phone so unfortunately can't link :( )

Hope this helps!

Susie
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Post by: jadzia26 on July 19, 2017, 11:00:39 pm
This is literally an amazing guide
I feel like I'm getting confused with historiography in the context of my topic, even though we did a whole unit of it I worry I dont properly focus on historiography in the right way consistently throughout.
How can i ensure my essay doesnt kind of stray away from the main ideas?
Also how can I avoid rambling and repeating myself when re-addressing points and linking to the question? (I'm not very good with word sophistication so I always end up rewording or saying something similar that sounds repetitive)
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Post by: sudodds on July 19, 2017, 11:06:21 pm
This is literally an amazing guide
I feel like I'm getting confused with historiography in the context of my topic, even though we did a whole unit of it I worry I dont properly focus on historiography in the right way consistently throughout.
How can i ensure my essay doesnt kind of stray away from the main ideas?
Also how can I avoid rambling and repeating myself when re-addressing points and linking to the question? (I'm not very good with word sophistication so I always end up rewording or saying something similar that sounds repetitive)
Yay! I'm so glad that you found it useful!!
The best way in my opinion is to literally structure it around the historiographical ideas, rather than around the content of your topic. It's impossible to not write historiography, if the basis of one of your paragraphs is literally the implication of popular culture of the interpretations of your topic, or the nature of truth in relation to your topic, etc. etc. :) In terms of rambling - not gonna lie, I don't think I ever perfected that when it came to history extension, however my best advice would be to make sure that no matter what you are writing, it is answering the question. If you stray to far off the question, that is when you're entering dangerous, rambling territory!

Hope this helps!

Susie
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Post by: olr1999 on July 20, 2017, 05:12:06 pm
The syllabus says for the synopsis we must 'describe the development of the precise question that provides the focus of the essay.' Does this mean we must talk about how our question has changed and what it started with or am I on totally the wrong track? Thanks!
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Post by: sudodds on July 20, 2017, 06:41:14 pm
The syllabus says for the synopsis we must 'describe the development of the precise question that provides the focus of the essay.' Does this mean we must talk about how our question has changed and what it started with or am I on totally the wrong track? Thanks!
Hmmmm, for me, my synopsis was my introduction! So I just expanded upon what a traditional introduction would look like. I provided an outline for the basis of my question (explaining the concept of the interpenetration of opposites), and then explaining how I would go about answering my question. I personally didn't talk about how my question changed - that was more so reflected throughout my logbook. I have read many synopsis' that detail how you came to your final question however, such as being like "I was intensely interested in ___________, which led me to ___________________", that kinda thing :)
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Post by: katie,rinos on July 20, 2017, 07:08:19 pm
The syllabus says for the synopsis we must 'describe the development of the precise question that provides the focus of the essay.' Does this mean we must talk about how our question has changed and what it started with or am I on totally the wrong track? Thanks!
For mine, I just added a sentence about it in my synopsis which was  'I came to this question after first researching how much the German population knew about the Holocaust, and then realising that thousands of Germans were actively involved in the murder of the Jewish people.' I think that if your going to address it in the synopsis it doesn't really have to be huge.
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Post by: jadzia26 on July 20, 2017, 07:17:17 pm
For mine, I just added a sentence about it in my synopsis which was  'I came to this question after first researching how much the German population knew about the Holocaust, and then realising that thousands of Germans were actively involved in the murder of the Jewish people.' I think that if your going to address it in the synopsis it doesn't really have to be huge.

My teacher has described the synopsis to us as an overview of your logbook kind of. So showing how you got to your topic and what influenced you I guess, showing your progression towards your final product :)
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Post by: olr1999 on July 20, 2017, 07:36:20 pm
Hmmmm, for me, my synopsis was my introduction! So I just expanded upon what a traditional introduction would look like. I provided an outline for the basis of my question (explaining the concept of the interpenetration of opposites), and then explaining how I would go about answering my question. I personally didn't talk about how my question changed - that was more so reflected throughout my logbook. I have read many synopsis' that detail how you came to your final question however, such as being like "I was intensely interested in ___________, which led me to ___________________", that kinda thing :)
For mine, I just added a sentence about it in my synopsis which was  'I came to this question after first researching how much the German population knew about the Holocaust, and then realising that thousands of Germans were actively involved in the murder of the Jewish people.' I think that if your going to address it in the synopsis it doesn't really have to be huge.
My teacher has described the synopsis to us as an overview of your logbook kind of. So showing how you got to your topic and what influenced you I guess, showing your progression towards your final product :)
Awesome, thank you so much!
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Post by: sudodds on July 20, 2017, 07:56:53 pm
For future reference, this was my synopsis :)

Spoiler
This essay asks the reader to reflect upon the current state of the Historical Discipline through the lens of Hegelian Maoism, particularly in regards to the dialectical theory of the Interpenetration of Opposites. Within On Contradiction, Mao Tse-Tung explores the law of contradiction as the fundamental basis of dialectical materialist thought, and establishes the basic principle – as influenced by the works of Marx, Engels and Lenin – that all processes will inevitably transform into their opposites, due to the internal contradictions that interplay.

Throughout the essay, it will be argued that the Historical Discipline, from the age of Historical Empiricism to present day, has been experiencing this inevitable transition into its “opposite” – transforming from a discipline where the primary goal was the search for an objective truth (whether that was possible, even then was up for debate by pioneers of historical objectivity) to one that often places historical truth secondary to other aims, or even, according to postmodernists, as an impossibility. This will be argued through analysing the role of the linguistic turn and the introduction of the “bottom-up” approach within the discipline, and how despite expanding History in regards to introducing new ideas, subject areas and audience, they are contributing to History’s inevitable transition through distorting the role and purpose of history, and validating imagination as a legitimate tool of historical enquiry. This essay will examine the consequences of this transition through analysing how these distortions have been exploited by popular historian Bill O’Reilly, whereby despite his “vast carelessness pollut[ing] history and debas[ing] the historian’s craft,” he must still be considered a legitimate historian as the basis of a legitimate historian has been perverted so much that it is now impossible to discern.
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Post by: olr1999 on July 20, 2017, 08:07:58 pm
For future reference, this was my synopsis :)

Spoiler
This essay asks the reader to reflect upon the current state of the Historical Discipline through the lens of Hegelian Maoism, particularly in regards to the dialectical theory of the Interpenetration of Opposites. Within On Contradiction, Mao Tse-Tung explores the law of contradiction as the fundamental basis of dialectical materialist thought, and establishes the basic principle – as influenced by the works of Marx, Engels and Lenin – that all processes will inevitably transform into their opposites, due to the internal contradictions that interplay.

Throughout the essay, it will be argued that the Historical Discipline, from the age of Historical Empiricism to present day, has been experiencing this inevitable transition into its “opposite” – transforming from a discipline where the primary goal was the search for an objective truth (whether that was possible, even then was up for debate by pioneers of historical objectivity) to one that often places historical truth secondary to other aims, or even, according to postmodernists, as an impossibility. This will be argued through analysing the role of the linguistic turn and the introduction of the “bottom-up” approach within the discipline, and how despite expanding History in regards to introducing new ideas, subject areas and audience, they are contributing to History’s inevitable transition through distorting the role and purpose of history, and validating imagination as a legitimate tool of historical enquiry. This essay will examine the consequences of this transition through analysing how these distortions have been exploited by popular historian Bill O’Reilly, whereby despite his “vast carelessness pollut[ing] history and debas[ing] the historian’s craft,” he must still be considered a legitimate historian as the basis of a legitimate historian has been perverted so much that it is now impossible to discern.

Thank you, that helps a lot.
It sounds like your major work would have helped you so so much with the What Is History unit!
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Post by: sudodds on July 20, 2017, 08:11:57 pm
Thank you, that helps a lot.
It sounds like your major work would have helped you so so much with the What Is History unit!
No worries! Yes it definitely did! My final What is History essay in the exam featured a lot of the same historians and arguments. If you can find a link, I highly recommend incorporating your major work throughout your What is History essays, as you'll be experts on that aspect of the course, and is where you can really demonstrate your voice, rather than the preprepared structure that most people use where they just write a chronology of the different approaches to history (eg. the ancient historians did it like this. then the enlightenment historians did it like this. and then the postmodernists did it like this etc. etc.). Speaking of major works - I'll get back to looking at yours now ;)
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Post by: jadzia26 on July 22, 2017, 06:59:56 pm
I wrote a draft and I've been trying to add to it all week but I'm stuck and i don't know how to get it moving again!
sooo frustrating i told myself i would have this finished so i could be editing and getting teacher feedback but at this rate don't think that'll be happening.
Also frustrating because really there isn't THAT much to add i just cannot figure out how it's totally escaped my mind and not working  :'( :-[ :-\
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Post by: sudodds on July 22, 2017, 07:09:50 pm
I wrote a draft and I've been trying to add to it all week but I'm stuck and i don't know how to get it moving again!
sooo frustrating i told myself i would have this finished so i could be editing and getting teacher feedback but at this rate don't think that'll be happening.
Also frustrating because really there isn't THAT much to add i just cannot figure out how it's totally escaped my mind and not working  :'( :-[ :-\
Hey! If there is anything we can help you with, please let us know :) Post your problems, and we'll all be able to band our heads together, and try and come up with a solution :) Also, just because it isn't finished, doesn't mean you can't still send a copy to your teacher and ask for some feedback :) Last year I'd sometimes just send a paragraph or two to mine, and that worked really well because rather than focusing on the whole essay, we were able to both go really in depth of one particular aspect of my idea, making sure that it was as strong as it could be! They'll always be something to add - history extension is a never ending process, there's always some other rabbit hole we can fall down don't fret ;)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: bella1001 on July 22, 2017, 10:02:50 pm
Awesome! this had so many tips, thanks so much! im looking at the way women are represented in the male dominated field of historiography! It's very interesting :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: sudodds on July 22, 2017, 10:08:51 pm
Awesome! this had so many tips, thanks so much! im looking at the way women are represented in the male dominated field of historiography! It's very interesting :)
No worries! Glad you found it useful :) That sounds hella interesting! I'd love to hear more about it - why don't ya pop some of your ideas on the debating thread and we can have a bit of a discussion!
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: jadzia26 on July 23, 2017, 11:41:30 pm
Can someone PLEASE clarify simply the difference between academic and popular history for me?
I do know I learnt it but now that I'm trying to work it into my project (which is due this wednesday) I'm struggling to adapt and can't remember the clear differences.
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: katie,rinos on July 24, 2017, 07:58:10 am
Can someone PLEASE clarify simply the difference between academic and popular history for me?
I do know I learnt it but now that I'm trying to work it into my project (which is due this wednesday) I'm struggling to adapt and can't remember the clear differences.
Public history is "produced outside the academy, either directly addressing a large general audience, or for public, often governmental, purposes” (Curthoys and Hamilton, p8). Public historians wish to provide history that is accessible and easy to understand by everybody. Examples of public history include museums, historical films, radio, television, historical sites, commemorations, and re-enactments. Public historians believe that anyone can write history. Academic historians have degrees/qualifications in history and usually write history books (that aren't often written for the general public).
Hope that helps :)

Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: jadzia26 on July 24, 2017, 04:16:36 pm
Public history is "produced outside the academy, either directly addressing a large general audience, or for public, often governmental, purposes” (Curthoys and Hamilton, p8). Public historians wish to provide history that is accessible and easy to understand by everybody. Examples of public history include museums, historical films, radio, television, historical sites, commemorations, and re-enactments. Public historians believe that anyone can write history. Academic historians have degrees/qualifications in history and usually write history books (that aren't often written for the general public).
Hope that helps :)



Thank you so much finally someone can put it in simple terms lol!
that honestly helps so so much  :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: Calley123 on December 10, 2017, 05:30:02 pm
Hey Susie,
It's me again! In terms of getting the major work done, how much should you at least aim to get done this summer holidays, especially if you are someone who is focused on other subjects throughout the term. I know everyone goes at a different pace but I feel like I need to set a goal for it.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: sudodds on December 10, 2017, 06:00:35 pm
Hey Susie,
It's me again! In terms of getting the major work done, how much should you at least aim to get done this summer holidays, especially if you are someone who is focused on other subjects throughout the term. I know everyone goes at a different pace but I feel like I need to set a goal for it.
Thanks :)
Hey!

Short Answer: As much as you can.

Long Answer: There really isn't a set amount that you should aim to get done, beyond just that - getting as much as you can done. I know that isn't the answer that you want, but the thing is the major work is a process, more than a project - at least it was to me. You may be able to bang out an entire essay these holidays (as I did!), but I would be willing to bet quite a bit of money that the essay that you write in the holidays will drastically change later in the year. At this point in year 12, you just don't have the knowledge and skills yet - and that is not in any way a dig by the way, just that at this point, you have only really been exposed to the basics, as you move forward, your understanding will expand exponentially, and that will be reflected in the later drafts of your major work. You may even completely change your question, like I and 3/4 of my class did at the beginning of next year (hell I changed mine right before the term 1 holidays!). 

In terms of goal setting, it would be a good idea to focus on research - maybe "read x book on x topic" or "find x amount of readings on this concept". If are like me and you write as you go, maybe try and have a complete first draft, with the knowledge (and willingness) that you will probably end up scraping some if not all of the essay down the track.

Hope this helps! Remember that we'll all be here during the holidays as well if you need anything :)

Susie
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: Calley123 on December 10, 2017, 06:52:18 pm
Hey!

Short Answer: As much as you can.

Long Answer: There really isn't a set amount that you should aim to get done, beyond just that - getting as much as you can done. I know that isn't the answer that you want, but the thing is the major work is a process, more than a project - at least it was to me. You may be able to bang out an entire essay these holidays (as I did!), but I would be willing to bet quite a bit of money that the essay that you write in the holidays will drastically change later in the year. At this point in year 12, you just don't have the knowledge and skills yet - and that is not in any way a dig by the way, just that at this point, you have only really been exposed to the basics, as you move forward, your understanding will expand exponentially, and that will be reflected in the later drafts of your major work. You may even completely change your question, like I and 3/4 of my class did at the beginning of next year (hell I changed mine right before the term 1 holidays!). 

In terms of goal setting, it would be a good idea to focus on research - maybe "read x book on x topic" or "find x amount of readings on this concept". If are like me and you write as you go, maybe try and have a complete first draft, with the knowledge (and willingness) that you will probably end up scraping some if not all of the essay down the track.

Hope this helps! Remember that we'll all be here during the holidays as well if you need anything :)

Susie
Thank you :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: Calley123 on December 13, 2017, 01:36:32 pm
Hey Susie,
I know I'm in the wrong subject but I wanted to thank you for sharing your source analysis tips since i received 8/10 ( highest I have gotten) in that section  in my first assessment!
Thanks again
:)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: sudodds on December 13, 2017, 01:54:20 pm
Hey Susie,
I know I'm in the wrong subject but I wanted to thank you for sharing your source analysis tips since i received 8/10 ( highest I have gotten) in that section  in my first assessment!
Thanks again
:)
Woohoo! Congratulations :D Fantastic work, so glad I could help :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: amyyyyyy on November 10, 2018, 02:05:48 pm
Hello  :D
I am currently working on my proposal for extenstion history. I am doing the topic of counterfactural history and its value in studying and understanding history.   I want to argue that counterfactural history can have allow historians to gain a greater understanding if counterfactural claims are made on the basis of evidence and fact. However I am a bit unsure as to how to phrase my question, currently I have “An evaluation of counterfactualism in the study of history” but I feel like this may be too broad.

If you could give me any help that would be great :)
Thanks
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: owidjaja on November 13, 2018, 12:15:12 am
Hello  :D
I am currently working on my proposal for extenstion history. I am doing the topic of counterfactural history and its value in studying and understanding history.   I want to argue that counterfactural history can have allow historians to gain a greater understanding if counterfactural claims are made on the basis of evidence and fact. However I am a bit unsure as to how to phrase my question, currently I have “An evaluation of counterfactualism in the study of history” but I feel like this may be too broad.

If you could give me any help that would be great :)
Thanks
Hey there,
Welcome to ATAR Notes!

There was a girl who was in the year group before me that did counterfactual history. From what I remember, I think her question was something along the lines of "To what extent does counterfactualism benefit historiography?" and focused about the construction of history throughout her essay. I think your original phrasing of the question is fine. If you want to explore the different viewpoints and argue your point, I would probably suggest to have 'An analysis of...' question. My question was 'An analysis of history-based video games as a tool for historical enquiry' so it was broad enough for me to talk about purpose, methodology and construction.

Hope this helps!

P.S. For future reference, please post your questions in the History Extension Question Thread since this thread hasn't been active for a while :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: sruthi.sajeev on March 02, 2019, 11:48:22 am
Hi!
When you say that concept driven topic ideas look at historiography more generally, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Currently, my topic is related to film and its contribution to the debate between post-modernist and scientific historiography. Do you think that I should narrow down my question or add something to it?

Thxx

P.S Your advice is very helpful!
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: allengeorgia77 on June 17, 2019, 01:38:50 pm
Thank you so much for the tips and advice! Wish I had come across this earlier, as I am a little over a month out from handing in my project, but nevertheless grateful for the help! I was just wondering if you were able or willing to read a final draft and give any advice? If not that's totally fine :) thanks for the post once again!
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: katie,rinos on June 17, 2019, 02:38:07 pm
Thank you so much for the tips and advice! Wish I had come across this earlier, as I am a little over a month out from handing in my project, but nevertheless grateful for the help! I was just wondering if you were able or willing to read a final draft and give any advice? If not that's totally fine :) thanks for the post once again!

Hey, welcome to AN!!  :D

If you post your essay here I (or someone else) may be able to look over it and give you some feedback!  :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: katie,rinos on September 16, 2020, 09:40:26 pm
Okay, so I am not sure if this forum is still running but I'm torn between history extension and English extension 2. I am leaning more towards history but am unsure. Do you have any tips for making that decision or seeing if the history extension course is right for me?
Hey,
Welcome to the forums!! This thread is definitely still running!  :)

Here are some articles that might help:
- What is history extension? A guide for subject selection
- Is History Extension the right course for you?
- Is English Extension 2 for you?

Let me know if you have any other questions!
Hope this helps!!  :D
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: Justin_L on September 16, 2020, 09:54:33 pm
Okay, so I am not sure if this forum is still running but I'm torn between history extension and English extension 2. I am leaning more towards history but am unsure. Do you have any tips for making that decision or seeing if the history extension course is right for me?

Subject selection is always a pretty subjective process, so you'll have to draw on your own personal interests and experiences. However, from my personal experience as a English Advanced and Modern History student, I found History Extension the most fun by far of all my subjects.

You've probably heard this many times, but History Extension really is nothing like Modern, Ancient or Mandatory History. I'd describe it as much more philosophical and research orientated, so if you're into that sort of thing you'll love it. If you read through some of the posts in this forum, you'll get a better understanding of what it's like, particularly the debate thread:

https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=170485.0

Obviously I'm biased since I enjoy History much more than English, but I really do recommend giving History Extension a try if at all possible. Maybe someone here can give a more balanced perspective, but hope this helps!

EDIT: Please do look at katie,rinos's resources, they provide a much more comprehensive overview than anything I said here
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: Nomsie on September 19, 2020, 11:41:49 pm
Subject selection is always a pretty subjective process, so you'll have to draw on your own personal interests and experiences. However, from my personal experience as a English Advanced and Modern History student, I found History Extension the most fun by far of all my subjects.

You've probably heard this many times, but History Extension really is nothing like Modern, Ancient or Mandatory History. I'd describe it as much more philosophical and research orientated, so if you're into that sort of thing you'll love it. If you read through some of the posts in this forum, you'll get a better understanding of what it's like, particularly the debate thread:

https://atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=170485.0

Obviously I'm biased since I enjoy History much more than English, but I really do recommend giving History Extension a try if at all possible. Maybe someone here can give a more balanced perspective, but hope this helps!

EDIT: Please do look at katie,rinos's resources, they provide a much more comprehensive overview than anything I said here

Thank you so much for your response! I've taken the time to think about it and discussed it with my teachers. my English ext teacher especially said that EE2 would suit me but I tend to thrive on a more structured and directed learning approach, which hist will definitely provide! I also forgot to add but ext 2 would be an online course, which would just not be as effective as hist ext which would be at my school.

and alas, I have decided hist ext is the way to go, the possibilities and overall course definitely seem much more appealing. that's adding that my historical investigation this year was basically steering towards historiography.
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: Nomsie on September 19, 2020, 11:44:45 pm
Hey,
Welcome to the forums!! This thread is definitely still running!  :)

Here are some articles that might help:
- What is history extension? A guide for subject selection
- Is History Extension the right course for you?
- Is English Extension 2 for you?

Let me know if you have any other questions!
Hope this helps!!  :D

Hey, these definitely helped and thank you for putting in the time to respond. As per my response to the other person who replied, I am going to do hist ext as I feel it's just suited towards my interests and accommodates my way of learning (especially as I already do eng ext online with other schools, and this would be the same for ext 2 which just wouldn't be effective).

and I will definitely take you up on that offer for future questions!

Thanks again :)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: yasmine_carney on December 27, 2020, 10:06:05 pm
Thank you so much for these tips! still using them in 2020 :) I was just wondering if you would be able to give me a bit of info on the structure of the essay and how you would go about writing it. I'm pretty 'in the dark' on this, I really don't have much of an idea on how you would write it (do you go from view to view or by historian or make it flow more... haha don't know at all) so any info would be appreciated. I have finished term 1 of year 12 and feel like I should start thinking more seriously about the essay and am just a bit confused on how you would put it together etc. especially as I'm assuming its very different to 3 body paragraphs, intro, conclusion.
Thanks so much  ;)
Title: Re: The Major Work! Tips from a 2016 survivor :)
Post by: izzah.adnan on April 04, 2021, 08:39:04 pm
Thank you so much for these tips! still using them in 2020 :) I was just wondering if you would be able to give me a bit of info on the structure of the essay and how you would go about writing it. I'm pretty 'in the dark' on this, I really don't have much of an idea on how you would write it (do you go from view to view or by historian or make it flow more... haha don't know at all) so any info would be appreciated. I have finished term 1 of year 12 and feel like I should start thinking more seriously about the essay and am just a bit confused on how you would put it together etc. especially as I'm assuming its very different to 3 body paragraphs, intro, conclusion.
Thanks so much  ;)

Hi! How are you thinking of structuring your major work now? :)