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VCE Stuff => VCE Science => VCE Mathematics/Science/Technology => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Psychology => Topic started by: matt123 on October 31, 2010, 02:46:00 pm
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Hey guys.
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a major difference in classical conditioning and operant conditioning is the timing of the response. the response occurs.
THEIR ANSWER : after the stimulus in operant conditioning and before the stimulus in classical conditioning?
wot the hell?
is it my delusional state right now?
I always thought the stimulus comes FIRST in classical conditioning ... and SECOND in operant coniditiong? aka . the other way around from their answer
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you're correct, which paper is this from? I remember something similar and being shocked at such a horrible mistake! stupid external papers.
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Of course you're right. How could any company get that wrong!
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you're correct, which paper is this from? I remember something similar and being shocked at such a horrible mistake! stupid external papers.
iartv 2008
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yeh pretty sure i've done that one...don't freak out, you're 100% in the right. Classical conditioning the stimulus is presented which in turn elicits the response. Opposite case for OC.
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You're 100% correct, don't freak out lol.
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Hahahhaa! My teacher writes for IARTV/CSE for psych. Remind me to kill her haha.
I know she only does one section, so hopefully it's memory NOT learning. Otherwise my confidence in her is just gone haha.
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is it the stimulus or reinforcement that comes after/before conditioning???
it doesnt make sense,... what is the stimulus in OC? and what is the reinforcement in CC??
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stimulus comes before the response in both. a response can't come from no where
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stimulus comes before the response in both. a response can't come from no where
No
The way i see it. ( written in many exams , neap 2010 , lisachem 2009 , tssm exam and one by my teacher).
Reinforcement = stimulus
The stimulus comes AFTER the response in operant conditioning
e.g
u be naughty = bahaviour
stimulus ( reinforcement ) = punished/grounded.
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stimulus comes before the response in both. a response can't come from no where
wait WHAT?
That's not right.
In Classical conditioning, stimulus then response.
In Operant conditioning, response then stimulus/reinforcement.
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sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the puzzle box was a stimulus in trial and error learning (I believe). the response occurs in the presence of a stimulus, which is then reinforced. what is conditioned in operant conditioning the association between a stimulus and the response, the response is either weakened through punishment or strengthened through reinforcement.
...I hope I don't have to wade through grivas again Grivas to the rescue:
"In operant conditioning, the presentation of the reinforcer depends on the response occurring first. The response occurs in the presence of a stimulus. The reinforcement strengthens the stimulus-response association" Pg. 489
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Haha. Yep I'm on matt's side. I'm 100% sure on this. It was like the first thing I learnt about operant conditioning.
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
Well with the puzzle box the response of the cat pressing the lever occurred first, then the stimulus/ reinforcement of the door opening came after it. Hence, in OPERANT conditioning, response must occur first then the stimulus/reinforcement occurs after it.
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
Responses dont have to be due to stimuli all the time.?
also
I think the thing is
"we are to assume that the stimulus = the reinforcer"
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Yes. The main thing you need to realise is that in operant conditioning stimulus is reinforcement.
Considering what you believe atm, what would you put for this question? As it kinda proves mine and matt's point.
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ok I will retype the ssame passage with examples from the skinner box which are given by the grivas textbook, see if you can deny them
"In operant conditioning the presentation of the reinforcer (a food pellet) depends on the response (lever pushing) occurring first. The response (pushing the lever) occurs in the presence of the stimulus (the lever). The reinforcement (food pellet) strengthens the stimulus-response association"
think of the stimulus as a prompt for the correct behaviour. also read your definitions for stimulus generalisation/ discrimination, they should also support what i'm telling you.
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In answering this question, I would like the full question please :)
my apologies, didn't notice it.
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Yes. The main thing you need to realise is that in operant conditioning stimulus is reinforcement.
Considering what you believe atm, what would you put for this question? As it kinda proves mine and matt's point.
is the answer C?
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In answering this question, I would like the full question please :)
What? :S That is the full question.. I'll just copy and paste it below in case the picture didn't work or something..
Question 40
If you are using operant conditioning principles to train a dog, then any punishment you deliver should be administered ______ an unwanted response from the dog. Any reward you administer should be administered _______ a desired response from the dog. If you are using classical conditioning to train a dog, the conditioned stimulus should be administered _______ the dog's response.
A. after; after; after
B. after; before; after
C. after; after; before
D. before; before; after
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yes the answer is C
a conditioned stimulus elicits the dogs response, and consequences obviously come after in operant conditioning, but the dogs response will only occur in the presentation of a stimulus in operant conditioning as well as classical
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Yes. The main thing you need to realise is that in operant conditioning stimulus is reinforcement.
Considering what you believe atm, what would you put for this question? As it kinda proves mine and matt's point.
is the answer C?
Yup. See how in operant conditioning the stimulus is seen as the reinforcer, in this case it's punishment. It comes AFTER the response.
If you based your answer on your previous statement you'd get the wrong answer.
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*facepalm* you two are stubborn. the reinforcer is a stimulus that strengthens a behaviour, but explain where a behaviour will come from. nothing comes out of the blue. please justify your understandings of operant conditioning in a similar way to me (referencing a textbook)
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
technically the prompt is another stimulus haha, but they call that the antecedent
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wow...my question started a wildfire!!
i think spreadbury is saying the stimulus is like the lever in the skinner box in which the rat pressed to get the reinforcement...
so any response requires some sort of stimulus/object for the learner to operate on..
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
technically the prompt is another stimulus haha, but they call that the antecedent
This is the perfect answer.
He knows what hes on about.
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If you based your answer on your previous statement you'd get the wrong answer.
considering i'm using my understanding for it and got the right answer, I think i'm doing fine.
the reinforcer is not the stimulus that produces a response, it is ONE of the stimulI in operant conditioning.
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
technically the prompt is another stimulus haha, but they call that the antecedent
Yep that basically sums it up. Does that solve it?
Sorry I don't mean to be stubborn I'm just doing whatever I can to convince you.
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I have to admit that it was originally confusing for me too.
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
technically the prompt is another stimulus haha, but they call that the antecedent
Yep that basically sums it up. Does that solve it?
Sorry I don't mean to be stubborn I'm just doing whatever I can to convince you.
Agreed.
Spread knows more than us .. well me anyhow , in many aspects of this course i believe.
However... not that im trying to convince you.
But considering my teacher is previous uni teacher/vce examier
and i have seen this in many exams and even in the "Notes" book at school.
I hope that you can understand this concept ... it might just come up on the exam . infact im pretty positive it will.
as sillysmile said earlier ... the STIMULUS you are referring to is the antecedent.
But we say , in Operant conditioning , the stimulus = THE REINFORCER.
:)
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
technically the prompt is another stimulus haha, but they call that the antecedent
Yep that basically sums it up. Does that solve it?
Sorry I don't mean to be stubborn I'm just doing whatever I can to convince you.
never heard of an antecedent, and I have no idea what sillysmile was saying. I am however adamant that operant conditioning requires a stimulus to elicit the behaviour that will be reinforced. find one study from your textbook that doesn't.
also, can someone define an antecedent? no mention of it in my textbook in the slightest
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WTFFFF!!! WTH IS GOING ONNNN!!??
i am not following this at all...
what is the stimulus in OC? and what is the reinforcement in CC??
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
technically the prompt is another stimulus haha, but they call that the antecedent
Yep that basically sums it up. Does that solve it?
Sorry I don't mean to be stubborn I'm just doing whatever I can to convince you.
never heard of an antecedent, and I have no idea what sillysmile was saying. I am however adamant that operant conditioning requires a stimulus to elicit the behaviour that will be reinforced. find one study from your textbook that doesn't.
also, can someone define an antecedent? no mention of it in my textbook in the slightest
Im fairly sure its in the gravias textbook?
it was on the old course.
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WTFFFF!!! WTH IS GOING ONNNN!!??
i am not following this at all...
what is the stimulus in OC? and what is the reinforcement in CC??
wow you're really confused, no reinforcement in classical conditioning
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I'll email my psychology teacher, and tell you all what she says when she gets back to me. remember to justify your answers people, otherwise you could be giving unreliable answers
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if anyone here can justify why a response would occur in operant conditioning without a stimulus (nothing to prompt it) but the response cannot occur in classical conditioning without something to prompt it... no one see a flaw in this?
technically the prompt is another stimulus haha, but they call that the antecedent
Yep that basically sums it up. Does that solve it?
Sorry I don't mean to be stubborn I'm just doing whatever I can to convince you.
never heard of an antecedent, and I have no idea what sillysmile was saying. I am however adamant that operant conditioning requires a stimulus to elicit the behaviour that will be reinforced. find one study from your textbook that doesn't.
also, can someone define an antecedent? no mention of it in my textbook in the slightest
Im fairly sure its in the gravias textbook?
it was on the old course.
it's in the heinemann also...
hang on I will have a look.
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A+ book pg 61 tells me...
CC: Reinforcement occurs "before' a response. (reinforcement = stimulus ??)
OC: Reinforcement occurs 'after' the response.
im guessing you could replace reinforcement with "stimulus" as well
what is an antecedent event??
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WTFFFF!!! WTH IS GOING ONNNN!!??
i am not following this at all...
what is the stimulus in OC? and what is the reinforcement in CC??
wow you're really confused, no reinforcement in classical conditioning
Well the gravias textbook says.
in CC , the reinforcer is given BEFORE the response.
which is messed up.
its in the table " nature of response" etc etc
e.g
the food is given before the salivation.
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A+ book pg 61 tells me...
CC: Reinforcement occurs "before' a response. (reinforcement = stimulus ??)
OC: Reinforcement occurs 'after' the response.
im guessing you could replace reinforcement with "stimulus" as well
what is an antecedent event??
yeah thats the whole point
read my post before this one.
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I don't want to start another argument, but the UCS is not a reinforcer of any kind.
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so the antecedent is just the stimulus presented before the response in CC?
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I have to admit that it was originally confusing for me too.
Yer me too.
Case closed?
Well done Sillysmile btw. I was thinking of the other word for stimulus/environment in operant conditioning. Then when I saw antecedents I was like "A-HA! There it is."
He's referring to Skinner's ABC (Antecedent - Behaviour - Consequences) model of operant conditioning. It's not well-known in VCE psych I don't think, as I only learnt it from my teacher and couldn't find it in my book.
Basically the antecedent is the thing in the environment which causes the response, so this is a stimulus in a way but in operant conditioning it isn't called a stimulus. The reinforcer or consequences are always known as the stimulus. - This is from my class notes written by my teacher who definitely knows her stuff..
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I don't want to start another argument, but the UCS is not a reinforcer of any kind.
It is because extinction occurs if you repeatedly present the CS without the UCS....
reinforcement: any stimulus that increases/strengthens a response
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I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.
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so the antecedent is just the stimulus presented before the response in CC?
Antecedent is only used in terms of operant conditioning not classical.
It is just the "trigger" for the response. So the antecedent with the puzzle box is the actual box (as being contained inside a box made the cat want to get out) and the lever I'd assume...
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the UCS is just a stimulus that elicits a naturally occurring, automatic response (the UCR)... it's not reinforcement.
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I don't want to start another argument, but the UCS is not a reinforcer of any kind.
while it sounds silly :P, my textbook says that it is a reinforcer...
I must maintain that it sounds silly...
because the UCS must be associated with CS in order for the CR to consistently recur. (otherwise the CR will become extinguished)
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I get you shilayli06...
my problem is in my A+ book... tells me CC is characterized by antecedents events, while it speaks nothing of antecedents in OC...
pg. 61
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I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.
The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.
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I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.
The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.
oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S
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guys if i wrote in an exam...
" In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"
would i be correct??
thats all im kinda worried about
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guys if i wrote in an exam...
" In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"
would i be correct??
thats all im kinda worried about
hahahaha, man this has become incredibly confusing and insane...
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I get you shilayli06...
my problem is in my A+ book... tells me CC is characterized by antecedents events, while it speaks nothing of antecedents in OC...
pg. 61
Yep I just checked it then. The definition of antecedent in general is "a thing or event that precedes another". So you could substitute "proceeding" with that sentence in A+ notes to avoid confusion.
I also see they've referred to CC and the ABC model which is strange because it was devised by Skinner who is best known for operant conditioning and I've always been taught that ABC model = operant. I guess you could use it for classical conditioning but I wouldn't, it gets too confusing and it was originally intended to be used to explain operant conditioning no classical..
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guys if i wrote in an exam...
" In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"
would i be correct??
thats all im kinda worried about
for operant condtitioning do not say that the "stimulus" is presented after the response, say "reinforcement (and/or) punishment," try to be specific. and for classical conditioning say "the CS (and/or) UCS is presented before the response" and you should be golden. I would steer clear of saying 'reinforcement' for Classical conditioning as i've never come across it being used for CC
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we shud call up Glockmeister :P
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we shud call up Glockmeister :P
he doesn't like answering the Glock-phone. and if you show up at the Glock-cave he's always drunk and angry (inside joke anyone?)
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I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.
The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.
oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S
Yer I only know it cos my teacher randomly explained it from the top of her head.. Guessing it's from the old study design or something..
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we shud call up Glockmeister :P
he doesn't like answering the Glock-phone. and if you show up at the Glock-cave he's always drunk and angry (inside joke anyone?)
haha true..
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guys if i wrote in an exam...
" In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"
would i be correct??
thats all im kinda worried about
for operant condtitioning do not say that the "stimulus" is presented after the response, say "reinforcement (and/or) punishment," try to be specific. and for classical conditioning say "the CS (and/or) UCS is presented before the response" and you should be golden. I would steer clear of saying 'reinforcement' for Classical conditioning as i've never come across it being used for CC
But if im differentiating the two... i have to use the same word to describe the difference between both of them...
do you get me??? sorry if im confusing
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I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.
The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.
oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S
Yer I only know it cos my teacher randomly explained it from the top of her head.. Guessing it's from the old study design or something..
is your teacher an old or young lady?
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Instead of saying " In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"
You should say " In CC, the stimulus is presented before the response occurs, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/stimulus is presented after the initial response."
So use stimulus for CC and reinforcer/stimulus for OC. Well that's what I always do and my teacher's never said anything bad about it.
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Instead of saying " In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"
You should say " In CC, the stimulus is presented before the response occurs, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/stimulus is presented after the initial response."
So use stimulus for CC and reinforcer/stimulus for OC. Well that's what I always do and my teacher's never said anything bad about it.
I think this is great.
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ahk thanks bro
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I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.
The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.
oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S
Yer I only know it cos my teacher randomly explained it from the top of her head.. Guessing it's from the old study design or something..
is your teacher an old or young lady?
Umm around 40-45ish I'd say. She's the best teacher though, knows basically everything about psych. I've yet to see her get something wrong or not know something.
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I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.
The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.
oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S
Yer I only know it cos my teacher randomly explained it from the top of her head.. Guessing it's from the old study design or something..
is your teacher an old or young lady?
Umm around 40-45ish I'd say. She's the best teacher though, knows basically everything about psych. I've yet to see her get something wrong or not know something.
yeah, thought she would be older..
she sounds heaps like my teacher, except she is probably more like 50-60.
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ahk thanks bro
Also if you're worried about using a different word for OC you could have stimulus (reinforcer) instead.. But a slash should suffice..
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Instead of saying " In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"
You should say " In CC, the stimulus is presented before the response occurs, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/stimulus is presented after the initial response."
So use stimulus for CC and reinforcer/stimulus for OC. Well that's what I always do and my teacher's never said anything bad about it.
Correct answer.
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who ever said the ucs isnt a reinforcer.
The textbook states " in cc the reinforcement is given BEFORE the response"
e.g
the food (usc) is given to the dog before it salivates ( response).
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So Spreadbury, have we answered your question in the end?
This concept is pretty confusing and it did take me a while to understand it when I first learnt it, so I get where you're coming from.
Look up Skinner's ABC model if you want to further clarify it..
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sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs
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sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs
I got that info from gravias.
Its a table with operant and classical conditioning
its got
1. nature of response
2. timing of response
etc etc
I dont have the book with me atm so i cannot find the page . but im sure u can remember/find it.
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sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs
Far enough mate, go with what you believe.
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sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs
Far enough mate, go with what you believe.
Lol spread i got my info from THE TEXTBOOK YOU "BELIEVE IN" = gravias.
buddy , im only trying to drill this into Ur mind because it has a high potential of coming on the exam.
You can take it or leave it. it doesn't bother me.
I just hope you get it right when it counts.
Ive heard it from many people. The book + notes + exams.
Ask your teacher and lemme know what she says.
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matt I think you and I use greatly different textbooks. unless you intentionally mispell "grivas" (no A after the R) then we're not using the same book.
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how do you spell psychology again??
and doesn't the CR trigger the NS?
I'm so confused!!!
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how do you spell psychology again??
and doesn't the CR trigger the NS?
I'm so confused!!!
LOL
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how do you spell psychology again??
and doesn't the CR trigger the NS?
I'm so confused!!!
CS triggers the CR, after the NS has had several pairings with the UCS to become the CS... If that makes sense..
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not haha :S
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i think he was being facetious shilayli....
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i think he was being facetious shilayli....
Hahaha I thought so. But I just thought I'd be on the safe side and still explain it.
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Question 35
In Skinner’s original experiments, behaviour that had been conditioned by which type of schedule was found
to be the most difÞ cult to extinguish?
A. variable schedule
B. fixed schedule
C. continuous reinforcement schedule
D. punishment schedule
so this was vcaa 2005, I think if they were to ask an extinction question again, it would be similar.
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how do you spell psychology again??
and doesn't the CR trigger the NS?
I'm so confused!!!
CS triggers the CR, after the NS has had several pairings with the UCS to become the CS... If that makes sense..
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not haha :S
yeah I was just being silly :O)
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May i just point out.
The Iartv/cse 2008 psych exam has MANY wrong answers for the SA questions regarding research methods.
1. Random sample wasn't used .. random ALLOCATION was used.
2. q15 .. correct me if i am wrong .. but with no provided P value , it is impossible to "support a hypothesis" with just the "number of errors mean"
3. YOU CANNOT make conclusions . the results are not inferential , they are descriptive.
dodgy exam paper.
Id stay away from it.
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Many 3rd party papers are very very bad, unreliable, except for neap
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Question 35
In Skinner’s original experiments, behaviour that had been conditioned by which type of schedule was found
to be the most difÞ cult to extinguish?
A. variable schedule
B. fixed schedule
C. continuous reinforcement schedule
D. punishment schedule
so this was vcaa 2005, I think if they were to ask an extinction question again, it would be similar.
Agreed.
I doubt ( although vcaa are bitches) they would make us differentiate between variable ratio/interval.
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I've mentioned this somewhere before, but I agree with spreadbury. There's no reinforcer in CC, and stimulus occurs before a response in OC.
And you can't interchange reinforcer with stimulus, they're two completely different things.
Matt, the table you refer to :I got that info from gravias.
Its a table with operant and classical conditioning
its got
1. nature of response
2. timing of response
etc etc
I have it here in front of me now, and it says "In OC, the presentation of the reinforcer depends on the response occurring first", which, yes is what you and shilayli06 are saying. However, it continues to say "The response occurs in the presence of a stimulus"
So no, you cannot interchange stimulus and response.
Furthermore, I have asked my teacher and he said the response always occurs after the stimulus.
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the antecedent is a stimulus,
but so is reinforcement/punishment
and in a way they both influence the response ,
but the stimulus that is being referred to is the reinforcement/punishment
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for the purpose of unit 4 psych anyway.
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for whom it may concern; my psych teachers except reply:
The term antecedents in operant conditioning means "the events that precede or come before it" (page 467).
Skinner believed that all behaviour can be explained be the relationships between the behaviour, what occured before the behaviour (antecedents), and the consequences of the behaviour.
IN regards to the stimulus question, there are a few things that you can say to illustrate that you are correct.
firstly in both classical conditioning and operant condition there can be stimulus discrimiation. For example (as given by the text book), "a pigeon was trained to peck as a switch mounted on the wall of a Skinner Box. The switch was lit be a green light. When the pigon was presented with lights of varing colours, it generalised the original stimulus (pecking the switch lit by a green light), and pecks at the other coloured switches as well." (pg 483).
secondly both CL and OP have stimulus dicrimintation (pg 484).
So there must be a stimulus that elicits the reposnse (the lever, stimululates the leaver pushing) otherwise how can there be stimulus generaliasation or discrimination.
The definition in the book is correct.
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I've mentioned this somewhere before, but I agree with spreadbury. There's no reinforcer in CC, and stimulus occurs before a response in OC.
And you can't interchange reinforcer with stimulus, they're two completely different things.
Matt, the table you refer to :I got that info from gravias.
Its a table with operant and classical conditioning
its got
1. nature of response
2. timing of response
etc etc
I have it here in front of me now, and it says "In OC, the presentation of the reinforcer depends on the response occurring first", which, yes is what you and shilayli06 are saying. However, it continues to say "The response occurs in the presence of a stimulus"
So no, you cannot interchange stimulus and response.
Furthermore, I have asked my teacher and he said the response always occurs after the stimulus.
I don't mind :)
Each to their own. My teacher taught me something different and I'm confident in her knowledge so that's what I'm going with.
Just out of curiosity, how would all of you answer the following questions if they came up:
1) In operant conditioning the stimulus/reinforcer comes ___________ the response, while in classical conditioning the stimulus comes __________ the response.
A) Before; before
B) Before; after
C) After; before
D) After; after
2) In operant conditioning the stimulus comes ___________ the response, while in classical conditioning the stimulus comes __________ the response.
A) Before; before
B) Before; after
C) After; before
D) After; after
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question 1: C. my reasoning: you said "stimulus/ reinforcer," and obviously reinforcement comes after the response
question 2: A
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I don't mind :)
Each to their own. My teacher taught me something different and I'm confident in her knowledge so that's what I'm going with.
Just out of curiosity, how would all of you answer the following questions if they came up:
1) In operant conditioning the stimulus/reinforcer comes ___________ the response, while in classical conditioning the stimulus comes __________ the response.
A) Before; before
B) Before; after
C) After; before
D) After; after
2) In operant conditioning the stimulus comes ___________ the response, while in classical conditioning the stimulus comes __________ the response.
A) Before; before
B) Before; after
C) After; before
D) After; after
Haha I've seen those questions while doing past exams so I assume I know the practice exam answers, but personally, I would in
1. Say after, before, C (because it specifically says reinforcer).
2. Before, before, A. (because it says stimulus and not reinforcer)
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question 1: C. my reasoning: you said "stimulus/ reinforcer," and obviously reinforcement comes after the response
question 2: A
fair enough. I might start another thread to get as many people to answer. I just wanna see what the general consensus is amongst the vn group haha.
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question 1: C. my reasoning: you said "stimulus/ reinforcer," and obviously reinforcement comes after the response
question 2: A
fair enough. I might start another thread to get as many people to answer. I just wanna see what the general consensus is amongst the vn group haha.
Yeah, it'd have to depend on the wording of the question.
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matt I think you and I use greatly different textbooks. unless you intentionally mispell "grivas" (no A after the R) then we're not using the same book.
hahaha, I can't help but imagine another, but fake textbook called gravias.
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This was the answer to question 42 of the VCAA 2007 multiple choice:
The context of the previous two questions may have persuaded students to choose option B, which was incorrect. This question shows the importance of considering the A–B–C model proposed by Skinner describing operant conditioning: ‘A’ refers to the antecedent stimulus (Jamie’s father coming home in a good mood), leading to the ‘B’ (or behaviour) (asking to borrow the car) followed by the ‘C’ (or consequence) (getting permission to use the car). Jamie’s behaviour is as a result of stimulus discrimination (being able to differentiate his father’s moods).