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VCE Stuff => Victorian Technical Score Discussion => Topic started by: Mao on October 31, 2008, 01:09:32 am
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SS ESTIMATOR/GA ESTIMATOR
GA SCORE ESTIMATOR - 31/10/2008
I cant sleep, so I made this.
this spreadsheet approximates [VERY ROUGHLY] what you need to achieve in a GA to get a desired SS. I should've made it earlier in the year, but hell, it's here now. you can now set realistic exam goals during last minute revision :P
so here's the steps:
1) http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2009/statssect3.html - find your subject*
2) get to the page of the GA you want [exams are typically the last GA(s)]
3) put in the relevant info into the spreadsheet
4) look at the score it spits out, now study hard [if you want to know what grade that is, double it and refer back to the grade assessment table]
5) ???
6) PROFIT!!!
EDIT: I've added SS estimation from grades because I'm bored. (31/10/2008)
1) http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2009/statssect3.html - find your subject*
2) get to the page of the GA you want [exams are typically the last GA(s)]
3) put in the relevant info into the spreadsheet (this time, info on all three GAs)
4) put in the relative weighting of each GA. If you do not know how your subject's assessments are weighted, consult the study guide [can be found from http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/index.html] or ask someone.
5) look at the score it spits out, now study hard
6) ???
7) PROFIT!!!
enjoy =]
DISCLAIMER: this thing is not entirely accurate. Please don't assume it is... :P
* Note, for mid-year subjects use the current year grade distribution (found in the current-year statistics page)
[PS, I love you enwiabe, I've slapped a vcenotes.com link on it, haha]
[PPS: this thing has no error handling capabilities whatsoever, so if you put in a stupid number, it will give you a stupid result. simple garbage in, garbage out.]
[PPPS: someone sticky this :P this will solve all the "I GOT A+ A+ A, WHAT SS IS THAT???" questions (i hope), but it will also probably put the fellow SS-ESTIMATORs out of jobs...]
[PPPPS: I've had a few complaints over compatibility, so here's both office 2007 .xlsx and 2003.xls versions, and protection has been relaxed a bit]
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Cool
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... Mao, this is ridiculous. I love you too, man :)
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Go to bed! :P
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Mao does EL, not normal English.
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he does normal english too
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Nah he dropped it... or so he told me. I hope I'm not imagining that...
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This is pretty nice. There's the ENTER Calc and now this too.
Great work Mao.
Thanks and good luck.
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I think he still planned to do the normal english exam
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:) Now this needs to be merged with the ENTER calculator to have a complete, 'enter your marks and here's your ENTER' calculator...
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:) Now this needs to be merged with the ENTER calculator to have a complete, 'enter your marks and here's your ENTER' calculator...
thought about it, but I do not have the proficiency in java to do that.... nor am I familiar with daniel's source code so it might take a while [if not impossible]
though I'm thinking about it... might be something to do when I'm bored and waiting for offers
[in the meanwhile, I'm working on another excel spreadsheet to predict SS from grades, the accuracy of this would be even more atrocious, haha]
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I made something similar a couple of months back using the mean and standard deviations. Basically, you feed in results and statistics for each GA and then establish a standard score based on your results that is essentially how many standard deviations off the mean your scores are. Then just average the results. The problem is I think it doesn't work the same on all subjects, because after you get your standard score VCAA ranks your standard score again to get a new mean and standard deviation. For subjects like biology where the A+ mark has traditionally been low, there is greater potential for a higher standard score...whether the people that get 50 max out that potential is a different matter I guess.
Anyway, then the standard scores would optimally be calibrated against known results and corresponding study scores. The problem with that is that few people get their statement of marks at the end of the year. All I know is a standard score of around 1.40 can get you a 40 and a standard score of 2.00 can get you a 50....If there are more real-life examples you could develop a good study score calculator that is quite accurate.
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:) Now this needs to be merged with the ENTER calculator to have a complete, 'enter your marks and here's your ENTER' calculator...
thought about it, but I do not have the proficiency in java to do that.... nor am I familiar with daniel's source code so it might take a while [if not impossible]
though I'm thinking about it... might be something to do when I'm bored and waiting for offers
[in the meanwhile, I'm working on another excel spreadsheet to predict SS from grades, the accuracy of this would be even more atrocious, haha]
It's PHP and JavaScript (for DHTML)
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I made something similar a couple of months back using the mean and standard deviations. Basically, you feed in results and statistics for each GA and then establish a standard score based on your results that is essentially how many standard deviations off the mean your scores are. Then just average the results. The problem is I think it doesn't work the same on all subjects, because after you get your standard score VCAA ranks your standard score again to get a new mean and standard deviation. For subjects like biology where the A+ mark has traditionally been low, there is greater potential for a higher standard score...whether the people that get 50 max out that potential is a different matter I guess.
Anyway, then the standard scores would optimally be calibrated against known results and corresponding study scores. The problem with that is that few people get their statement of marks at the end of the year. All I know is a standard score of around 1.40 can get you a 40 and a standard score of 2.00 can get you a 50....If there are more real-life examples you could develop a good study score calculator that is quite accurate.
umm, for study scores, mean = 30, sd = 7
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I made something similar a couple of months back using the mean and standard deviations. Basically, you feed in results and statistics for each GA and then establish a standard score based on your results that is essentially how many standard deviations off the mean your scores are. Then just average the results. The problem is I think it doesn't work the same on all subjects, because after you get your standard score VCAA ranks your standard score again to get a new mean and standard deviation. For subjects like biology where the A+ mark has traditionally been low, there is greater potential for a higher standard score...whether the people that get 50 max out that potential is a different matter I guess.
Anyway, then the standard scores would optimally be calibrated against known results and corresponding study scores. The problem with that is that few people get their statement of marks at the end of the year. All I know is a standard score of around 1.40 can get you a 40 and a standard score of 2.00 can get you a 50....If there are more real-life examples you could develop a good study score calculator that is quite accurate.
umm, for study scores, mean = 30, sd = 7
But if it were that simple then wouldn't an average standard score of 2.0 only get you a 44 because it simply means you were two standard deviations of the mean? If that's the case then it isn't that simple :S
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well, if you full marked everything your standard score won't be 2.00 (it'll be higher)
grab a grade distribution and see for yourself.
NOTICE: first post edited, now added SS estimator.
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Extraordinary work Mao.
Pure brilliance :D
(now I have hope of getting 33 in eng lol)
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Extraordinary work Mao.
Pure brilliance :D
(now I have hope of getting 33 in eng lol)
IN TIMES OF CONFLICT, ORDINARY PEOPLE CAN ACT IN EXTRAORDINARY WAYS. [fuck i hate english...]
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i don't know how to use it?
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well, if you full marked everything your standard score won't be 2.00 (it'll be higher)
grab a grade distribution and see for yourself.
NOTICE: first post edited, now added SS estimator.
Correct me if my calculations are wrong
Looking at 2007 Chemistry.
Full marks on first exam: standard score would be 1.77
Full marks on SACs: 1.49
Full marks on final exam: 1.87
I just subtracted the mean from the maximum score and then divided it by the standard deviation to find how many standard deviations from the mean the 100% was.
Based on that it is impossible to get standard score above 2 in 2007 Chemistry
btw, the calculator by grades is really quite good, at least in halting the flow of posts in the study score estimations thread
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I dont get how to use it man!
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well, if you full marked everything your standard score won't be 2.00 (it'll be higher)
grab a grade distribution and see for yourself.
NOTICE: first post edited, now added SS estimator.
Correct me if my calculations are wrong
Looking at 2007 Chemistry.
Full marks on first exam: standard score would be 1.77
Full marks on SACs: 1.49
Full marks on final exam: 1.87
I just subtracted the mean from the maximum score and then divided it by the standard deviation to find how many standard deviations from the mean the 100% was.
Based on that it is impossible to get standard score above 2 in 2007 Chemistry
btw, the calculator by grades is really quite good, at least in halting the flow of posts in the study score estimations thread
actually, no.
the figures VCAA give are truncated normal distributions, i.e. conditional probability need to be used. [there is a minimum and maximum]
hence, you need to
1) find the area from 0 marks to x marks
2) divide by the total area (from 0 marks to full marks)
3) multiply by the area from 0 to 50 (mean = 30, sd = 7)
4) add the tail from -infty to 0 (mean = 30, sd = 7)
5) invNorm (mean = 0, sd = 1)
that gives the standardised score for each GA
spreadsheet updated. I made an error in a formula (put - instead of + :( )
please download again
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Mao, I still don't get what we're sposed to change and what's spose to remain constant. And lower /upper? lower of A+ or lower bound of all scores?
and do we put in the A+ or B+ or whatevr and the High Med or Low? confused as hell (A)
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(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/sxy_grk_star/Untitled-1.jpg)
OK, I was basing my calculations on that VCAA sample calculation
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Costa: a tutorial is up on the first post
NE2000: they didn't show calculations :P they just showed you the result [there is a huge jump from score to Stan. Score]
just updated... [again... i'm not very good at this :P]
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NE2000: they didn't show calculations :P they just showed you the result [there is a huge jump from score to Stan. Score]
:) Let me rephrase. I deduced that my calculation method was how they too had worked it out given that it yielded the same results (although now that I do it again the results are only the same up to 3 decimal places, after that they diverge). But then again, I'm just a year 11 :P
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NE2000: they didn't show calculations :P they just showed you the result [there is a huge jump from score to Stan. Score]
:) Let me rephrase. I deduced that my calculation method was how they too had worked it out given that it yielded the same results (although now that I do it again the results are only the same up to 3 decimal places, after that they diverge). But then again, I'm just a year 11 :P
haha, that's fair effort for a year 11 student! [are you doing MM 3/4?]
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Help!
Mine opens with no place to put in the details?
Im probably having a blonde moment!
Ie, this is a screen shot off all thats on the page!
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click on the bottom tab thingys. click SS
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Is none.
Just a tab that says scroll lock. Is it because its open in compatibility mode in a read only file?
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Is none.
Just a tab that says scroll lock. Is it because its open in compatibility mode in a read only file?
it's working on my end [in compatibility mode and read only]
try maximising excel, there are tabs down the bottom that lets you switch between the spreadsheets
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NE2000: they didn't show calculations :P they just showed you the result [there is a huge jump from score to Stan. Score]
:) Let me rephrase. I deduced that my calculation method was how they too had worked it out given that it yielded the same results (although now that I do it again the results are only the same up to 3 decimal places, after that they diverge). But then again, I'm just a year 11 :P
haha, that's fair effort for a year 11 student! [are you doing MM 3/4?]
lol thanks and no...I'm not doing MM 3/4 this year.
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Works fine on home computer. My laptop just hates it ::)
Wow! That is a great tool. AND accurate!
I put in my data from Outdoor Enviro last year, and it popped out 44-45, and i got a 44!!
Good Work!
And going by these, I "should" get an enter between 95.3 -97.5!!! WOW WOW WOW! (I know dont get too excited. Only want in the 90's :P )
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i did it.
and all it gave me was an upper value of 7 and lower value of 0
what does this mean?
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ummm your SS would be between 0 and 7? :P
[or you've put data in the wrong boxes]
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umm well i think i did it correctly. followed the steps and i had high A+ for all. so no chance between it was 7 lol
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did you put in the score range and everything [from the grade distribution]?
which subject was this?
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first i did it for psych which gave me a 1 and this was with a b+, a+ and a+.
then for media which i know the calculations for each ga and it gave me a 7
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Just a suggestion Mao. Why dont you make it a prepared one- where we just have to click english- and it automatically comes up:P- like the most common subjects- methods chem ect.. Or tell me how to do it.
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i just figured it out. i was using excel 2007 and that didnt show me the boxes to put the lower and upper ranges. i now went on my other comp and used 2003 excel. all works now thanks
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I would, except there are too many subjects and I'd have to go through each one... don't really have the time to do that...
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this is the most amazing thing ever!!
it makes me feel so much better about myself :)
thank you!!!!
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I've had a few complaints of version compatibility... so updated [AGAIN!] in first post
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Excellent Mao! This is sheer brilliance! :smitten:
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i LOVE you. :smitten:
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Mao is smooth with the ladies ;) ;)
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* SS ESTIMATOR tutorial.pdf (92.68 KB - downloaded 86 times.)
* SS ESTIMATOR.xls (41.5 KB - downloaded 52 times.)
* SS ESTIMATOR.xlsx (19.75 KB - downloaded 30 times.)
« Last Edit: October 31, 2008, 10:18:47 PM by Mao »
LOL- More people have downloaded the tutorial than the actual product.
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* SS ESTIMATOR tutorial.pdf (92.68 KB - downloaded 86 times.)
* SS ESTIMATOR.xls (41.5 KB - downloaded 52 times.)
* SS ESTIMATOR.xlsx (19.75 KB - downloaded 30 times.)
« Last Edit: October 31, 2008, 10:18:47 PM by Mao »
LOL- More people have downloaded the tutorial than the actual product.
LMAO thats funnyy,
although the program isnt that hard to use :P
MAO = LEGEND :)
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lol
well not entirely true.
mao has uploaded and removed it then re-uploaded a couple of times. thus the amount of people who downloaded it the first time would be gone. if that makes sense lol
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yeah... i followed microsoft there.... first version never works :P
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Does it spit out the raw scores or scaled scores?
ps. Thanks Mao!
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raw
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Hrrmmm this is just a suggestion but im not sure it is even possible but maybe you can incorporate the rankings out nth amount people which might make it more accurate lols im not sure im not really a computer type of guy and i dont know how the vce scoring works. Just an idea since rankings has been shown to have some importance in many threads ive seen and i thought it could be included, im most likely wrong but meh at least i tried :uglystupid2:
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Very nice work Mao!
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Hrrmmm this is just a suggestion but im not sure it is even possible but maybe you can incorporate the rankings out nth amount people which might make it more accurate lols im not sure im not really a computer type of guy and i dont know how the vce scoring works. Just an idea since rankings has been shown to have some importance in many threads ive seen and i thought it could be included, im most likely wrong but meh at least i tried :uglystupid2:
that would involve this said person making a prediction for the achievement of his peers [those who are similarly ranked to him] in the external exam, which would require that this person to have the knowledge to do this, in which case that person would be more than capable of predicting his own grades! :)
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For the record guys, Mao's given me permission to write a web based version of this file. I'll be doing that after I finish my exams (Nov 12th).
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Awesome trinon! i cant open maos file cause i got stupid microsoft works 2003 or some shit like that
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Awesome trinon! i cant open maos file cause i got stupid microsoft works 2003 or some shit like that
works?!
ouch, that's gotta hurt...
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Awesome trinon! i cant open maos file cause i got stupid microsoft works 2003 or some shit like that
works?!
No, it doesn't, that's the whole point ;)
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wow nice work mao.
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Yeah...
You must be pro at computers and IT stuffs.
btw... I'm going to karma you plus.
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Yeah...
You must be pro at computers and IT stuffs.
btw... I'm going to karma you plus.
lol, I'm not
if I was, this would not be an excel spreadsheet
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All bow down to the great Mao.
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yeh microsoft works...It really sucks when i open .doc files it doesnt show half the document and its all mixed up. pdf ftw.
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This sounds interesting, and I'd like to download it, but for some reason the attachments aren't showing up for me?
What does it do for SAC marks? That would be the hardest bit, I imagine, given that it's difficult to capture the realities of ranking in the estimator (is it?). Anyway, good stuff (probably).
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Eriny: that is the case with all global mods [i believe?] that you cannot view attachments. AppleXY and Ahmad have both registered separate accounts for the purpose of downloading attachments....
and re SAC marks, it doesn't do anything for it, and it assumes a "fair" estimation from the user [which is very bad on my part].
The reason I did that was, to accurately [even to a remote degree] predict the SAC score range, the user not only have to have knowledge about his/her own ranking, but as well as who is around him, THEN make a prediction for them of how they are going to go on the exams. By the time this said user knows that much about the system to be making predictions for other people, he/she would know better to not try to predict any SS. :)
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i can't seem to be able to type in the numbers and stuff i want to put in...how can u fill in the details?
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Holy crap this thing is accurate!
I predicted 36-37 for Accounting and it's telling me Lower - 36, Upper 37!
hahha nuts!
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Holy crap this thing is accurate!
I predicted 36-37 for Accounting and it's telling me Lower - 36, Upper 37!
hahha nuts!
or your predicting skills are amazing :D LOL
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Holy crap this thing is accurate!
I predicted 36-37 for Accounting and it's telling me Lower - 36, Upper 37!
hahha nuts!
or your predicting skills are amazing :D LOL
Perhaps!
Methods I predicted 25, its told me 25-26
Legal I predicted 40, its told me 39-41
English I predicted 39, its told me 36-37 (hopefully sac marks get boosted by more then I expected :))
IT I predicted 45, it's told me 41-43... noooo!
Is there an ENTER Calculator available with a range btw?
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Holy crap this thing is accurate!
I predicted 36-37 for Accounting and it's telling me Lower - 36, Upper 37!
hahha nuts!
or your predicting skills are amazing :D LOL
Perhaps!
Methods I predicted 25, its told me 25-26
Legal I predicted 40, its told me 39-41
English I predicted 39, its told me 36-37 (hopefully sac marks get boosted by more then I expected :))
IT I predicted 45, it's told me 41-43... noooo!
Is there an ENTER Calculator available with a range btw?
Dont think so
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is there any way to know what the minimum examination score was last year to get a 45 in french (raw)?
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Probably not because the infitinate amount of SAC scores that would also be calculated can't be taken into account. However, if you have your own SAC scores then go off those.
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is this for raw scores?
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is this for raw scores?
Yeah. You can use the scaling report to determine your scaled scores.
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okays
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Can't wait to see the scaling for spec this year. :D
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Can't wait to see the scaling for spec this year. :D
When do the reports come out?
Do they come out on the same day as the ENTER results?
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Can't wait to see the scaling for spec this year. :D
When do the reports come out?
Do they come out on the same day as the ENTER results?
I think they come out in March? Not too sure, but definitely not when the ENTER results come out. :P
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the scaling for spec will be the same as every year why would it change.
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the scaling for spec will be the same as every year why would it change.
Because it was SO much harder this year... Well, in terms of exam 1 anyways. Hoping for more than 10 scaling points :D
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I thought scaling depended not on the difficulty of the actual exam, but on the level of competition you're up against.
After all, the difficulty of the actual exam should not matter due to the ranking system. Even if everyone does horribly in the exam, the ranking would still be very much similar to the ranking for an exam of normal difficulty. So yeah, I don't think it would be possible to predict the scaling for any year.
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How do you stay on 999 posts, DivideBy0? :P (Sorry for the off-topic post... :S)
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How do you stay on 999 posts, DivideBy0? :P (Sorry for the off-topic post... :S)
Deleting useless posts lol
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How do you stay on 999 posts, DivideBy0? :P (Sorry for the off-topic post... :S)
Deleting useless posts lol
Hehe, just saving that thousandth one for Dec 15 :D
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OHLALALLA awessomee
but i feel like crap :(
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This is amazing! Thank you!
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Thanks this is pretty cool
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How do the SAC marks work? (Sorry if this has already been answered)
I mean, is this just an average result from the schools that got a particular SS? Or how does it do rankings and all that?
A bit confused :S
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How do the SAC marks work? (Sorry if this has already been answered)
I mean, is this just an average result from the schools that got a particular SS? Or how does it do rankings and all that?
A bit confused :S
Refer to Toothy's post here.
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How do the SAC marks work? (Sorry if this has already been answered)
I mean, is this just an average result from the schools that got a particular SS? Or how does it do rankings and all that?
A bit confused :S
Refer to Toothy's post here.
Can Toothy's post be stickied under, 'explanation of SAC rankings' on Technical Discussion? So many people ask that question...
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How do the SAC marks work? (Sorry if this has already been answered)
I mean, is this just an average result from the schools that got a particular SS? Or how does it do rankings and all that?
A bit confused :S
Refer to Toothy's post here.
Can Toothy's post be stickied under, 'explanation of SAC rankings' on Technical Discussion? So many people ask that question...
No, i mean in the SS Estimator.. I know how they work (Rankings and all that) But how does the SS Estimator know the rankings >_> that was my question...
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How do the SAC marks work? (Sorry if this has already been answered)
I mean, is this just an average result from the schools that got a particular SS? Or how does it do rankings and all that?
A bit confused :S
Refer to Toothy's post here.
Can Toothy's post be stickied under, 'explanation of SAC rankings' on Technical Discussion? So many people ask that question...
No, i mean in the SS Estimator.. I know how they work (Rankings and all that) But how does the SS Estimator know the rankings >_> that was my question...
Oh right. Guess you need to ask Mao for that.
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thank youuuu
now i can gve myself a more realistic goalll!
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how do i download this????
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how do i download this????
Click on the attached files on the OP.
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Are the study scores its spits out before or after scaling?
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Before scaling
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Wow that's awesome. If it's accurate and I do how I'd like in my exams I'd be looking at a very nice score.
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I hope i'm allowed to revive this thread,
But could some people who have gotten SS, please post if this wonderful program is accurate! It may help many of us feel calmer. I know Mao said it wasn't, but give him credit!
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I hope i'm allowed to revive this thread,
But could some people who have gotten SS, please post if this wonderful program is accurate! It may help many of us feel calmer. I know Mao said it wasn't, but give him credit!
Well I did legal studies last year and got a 37 raw. The estimator says
Lower: 37
Upper: 39
So it's pretty accurate.
If you know the exact score you got for a Graded Assessment you can enter that as the lower and upper values in the grade range interval. That will make it even more accurate. But that being said, it won't account for moderation of SAC marks.
Still, pretty good assuming your cohort is neither incredibly brilliant or incredibly bad.
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I think it's much more exciting to not know what you might get, it's a surprise ;P
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wait im so confused.. where do i enter my marks into?
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wait im so confused.. where do i enter my marks into?
LOL. In the excel document, if you look at the bottom it says
sheet 1
sheet 2
sheet 3
something along those lines....enter the data into sheet 2.
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hmmm i don't think is completely accurate for psychology, as getting 175/180 on both exams with high SAC marks, says its 44/45. when it would definitely be 45+ and if i put in full marks on both exams, it says 48-50. but i've spoke to people who have lost a few marks accross both exams and still got 50! stressful. i really hope it's not perfectly accurate as then getting 44+ won't see as impossible:)
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taken into consideration that your sacs havent been moderated up or down, and taken that every year the student population performs differently and exam difficulty varies year by year. I say it is a pretty good indicator for range wise as it is accurate for that range of scores but for 'that year'. Its just a bit off since after all its range you put into the calculator not the exact score you got for each exam. So an A+ high could mean like 77-80 and based on that the calculator makes a predictation for like 48-50 etc...
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ahh ok, thanks mystikal i kinda get it.:)
i looked at just the GA estimator for the health exam cos i was bored (>_>)
and apparently, to get 47 only 90% is needed for the exam, and 48 only 93% is needed...
is this correct? i know it scales down at 47 but still, seems pretty easy to do well......
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what document/program type is needed for the .xls or .xlsx files?
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It's Microsoft Excel
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thanks
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This may be resurrection but its less than a week old.
Say i used it to calculate what id need in my course work (GA1) to get a study score of 27, the study score is all the values added together right (lets simplify this), where is it getting the other two GA's from to add to the one i worked out (GA1) to make my study score of 27?
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what do you type in for level?
thanks, this thing is genious! :D
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what do you type in for level?
thanks, this thing is genious! :D
Enter as 'LOW' if you are expecting to be on the lower end of the grade range
'HIGH' if you are expecting to be on the higher end of the grade range
If you are expecting to be around the middle, or are unsure, leave blank (or enter anything, such as 'MED', the program assumes the middle of the range unless you specify low or high)
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This may be resurrection but its less than a week old.
Say i used it to calculate what id need in my course work (GA1) to get a study score of 27, the study score is all the values added together right (lets simplify this), where is it getting the other two GA's from to add to the one i worked out (GA1) to make my study score of 27?
You need to fill out all three. You need to predict your performance in all three GAs, and then fill out appropriate numbers from the grade distributions, the formula then works everything out.
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Nah he dropped it... or so he told me. I hope I'm not imagining that...
Yes Mao dropped it halfway through 2008.
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What Study score would I get in Biology with:
D+ exam 1
D+ exam 2
Sac score: A
Cannot work out how to use the GA's
Thanks!
Need help
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Wow, you don't understand how much I love you right now.
I still have a chance in obtaining OP1!
Thank you (:
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What Study score would I get in Biology with:
D+ exam 1
D+ exam 2
Sac score: A
Cannot work out how to use the GA's
Thanks!
Need help
i think it's about a 27
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Does this program show study score as raw or with scaling?
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Does this program show study score as raw or with scaling?
Raw, use atarcalc for scaling.
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Ah I see, thank you kindly :)
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mao u r saviour from god himself
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thanks, this is nice
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I cant do this? Anyone care to help? Or do it for me?
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Can someone predict me a study score for Business Management for:
GA1: B+
GA2: B+
GA3: B
Cheers.
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Can someone predict me a study score for Business Management for:
GA1: B+
GA2: B+
GA3: B
Cheers.
32-33?? not quite sure but somewhere around that
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Ok thanks, is that from the estimator or?
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wow this is really kool! thanks mao :]
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My turn :p
English: Sacs - A (mid) Exams: B+
Chem: Sacs low-mid A+, Exams B+(mid), A+ (mid to high)
Math Methods: Sacs: A(low) Exam 1 A, Exam 2 B+
Further maths: Sacs A+(high) Exam 1 A+(no marks lost lol i wish) Exam 2 A+ (0-4 marks lost)
Accounting: Sacs A+(high) Exam 1 A+ (86 - 82 out of 90) Exam 2 A+ (lost 3 - 5 marks out of (90)
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YOU NEED TO RE-ADD THE DOWNLOAD LINK PRONTO!
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YOU NEED TO RE-ADD THE DOWNLOAD LINK PRONTO!
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Guys I have the file, but feel a bit weird if I upload it, since it's Mao's work.
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Guys I have the file, but feel a bit weird if I upload it, since it's Mao's work.
gogogo lol
it's what he'd want if he were with us today
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OK but don't up vote these posts, it's just until he fixes the attachments.
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I thought I would just point out that you can access all attachments from pre-changed VCEnotes using the following link:
http://vce.atarnotes.com/agora/index.php/topic,6688.0.html
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I thought I would just point out that you can access all attachments from pre-changed VCEnotes using the following link:
http://vce.atarnotes.com/agora/index.php/topic,6688.0.html
that doesnt work anymore luv jr. :P
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Thanks for the resource!
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why can't I see the attachments???????
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what happened to the LINK??!!!
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*bump*
Does this still work ?
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Yeh it does, Mao just hasn't reattached the file since the site update. Here -> Re: GA SCORE ESTIMATOR / STUDY SCORE ESTIMATOR
I'll pm Mao to add it to the original post.
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Yeh it does, Mao just hasn't reattached the file since the site update. Here -> Re: GA SCORE ESTIMATOR / STUDY SCORE ESTIMATOR
I'll pm Mao to add it to the original post.
Thank you sir. It is now up on the first post again.
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I've tried to download it a few times, but it just wont open.
Do I need to download some sort of program ?
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Made one with a tutorial and a tab for each subject (only english, methods, spesh, chem, physics so far)
http://www.mediafire.com/?altirert9q1tp6z
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Mao had a small tutorial with the original version, don't know where it is though. That's actually quite good, I don't have to go looking for the grade distributions anymore, although it will be out of date when the new ones are released next time round.
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i promise that next year, i'll develop a web-based version which can fetch the numbers straight from the vcaa website, it'll put my rusting programming skills back into shape and hopefully i'll learn some C#/java
the only issue is that i'm not sure how to parse a pdf file, i know daniel15 managed to write a script for it when he wrote his ATAR calculator, might try to ask him about it
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i promise that next year, i'll develop a web-based version which can fetch the numbers straight from the vcaa website, it'll put my rusting programming skills back into shape and hopefully i'll learn some C#/java
the only issue is that i'm not sure how to parse a pdf file, i know daniel15 managed to write a script for it when he wrote his ATAR calculator, might try to ask him about it
If you do you should get onto him and build it into the atarcalc website, that way everything is all in the one place.
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i promise that next year, i'll develop a web-based version which can fetch the numbers straight from the vcaa website, it'll put my rusting programming skills back into shape and hopefully i'll learn some C#/java
the only issue is that i'm not sure how to parse a pdf file, i know daniel15 managed to write a script for it when he wrote his ATAR calculator, might try to ask him about it
It looks like atarcalc.com uses PHP, so it'd probably be better to stick with PHP if you're going to work with daniel15 on integrating it into the site. Avoiding a programming language debate but I think pretty much all those scripting languages have modules for processing PDF's pretty easily. I'd imagine PHP would have a similar simple method for processing them as well.
Pretty awesome idea by the way, good luck with it.
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Remember to give credit to Mao for the original idea and concept though.
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hey i just tried it but dont really know how it works; in regards to upper and lower whatever that is
if someone wouldnt mind what ranges are needed for 45 in english with 92 and 90 in respective units
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Remember to give credit to Mao for the original idea and concept though.
Yepp, definately will because I'll be using the same equations and calculation procedures as his spreadsheet :)
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It looks like atarcalc.com uses PHP, so it'd probably be better to stick with PHP if you're going to work with daniel15 on integrating it into the site. Avoiding a programming language debate but I think pretty much all those scripting languages have modules for processing PDF's pretty easily. I'd imagine PHP would have a similar simple method for processing them as well.
Pretty awesome idea by the way, good luck with it.
Alright, thanks for that then, I'll have to look into PHP, I'll try to learn it over the holidays (whilst everyone's on schoolies :( - i'm too poor to go anywhere!) so hopefully I'll at least have a prototype which is somewhat working by next year, but yeah, I think integrating it with the atarcalc site is a good idea, but I'll try to get in contact with Daniel after I get a prototype done.
But if integration ends up working, it'll be good because I won't have to worry about hosting :D
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It looks like atarcalc.com uses PHP, so it'd probably be better to stick with PHP if you're going to work with daniel15 on integrating it into the site. Avoiding a programming language debate but I think pretty much all those scripting languages have modules for processing PDF's pretty easily. I'd imagine PHP would have a similar simple method for processing them as well.
Pretty awesome idea by the way, good luck with it.
Alright, thanks for that then, I'll have to look into PHP, I'll try to learn it over the holidays (whilst everyone's on schoolies :( - i'm too poor to go anywhere!) so hopefully I'll at least have a prototype which is somewhat working by next year, but yeah, I think integrating it with the atarcalc site is a good idea, but I'll try to get in contact with Daniel after I get a prototype done.
But if integration ends up working, it'll be good because I won't have to worry about hosting :D
If you want to go one step further, you could use the exam tracker to work out what numbers you should be putitng into the SS estimator, then use the numbers from the estimator to put into the atar calc. But then that probably would be overdoing it, and resulting in students feeling locked in, stopped by their limitations and then getting them down on themselves.
Just remember you need something along the line "these are only predictions, we cannot be accountable blah blah blah"...
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Just remember you need something along the line "these are only predictions, we cannot be accountable blah blah blah"...
Something like the Insight line? "These predictions produced by ... are NOT an official VCAA result for the (current year) VCE. "
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Graded Assessment
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In other words, SACs and examinations ?
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Yes
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Okay this is just a really stupid question...
But where is the download link? I can't figure out where it is.
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Okay this is just a really stupid question...
But where is the download link? I can't figure out where it is.
Original Post (page 1).
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whoops wrong place
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can anybody explaiin his steps in simple terms haha
i checked my score of each individual GA
eg- B+ for english is 238 (exam)
how do i double that to get my study score lol?
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the only issue is that i'm not sure how to parse a pdf file, i know daniel15 managed to write a script for it when he wrote his ATAR calculator, might try to ask him about it
My method wasn't too exciting... I copied all the text from the PDF into a text file, and then wrote a PHP script to convert the raw data into SQL insert statements. The ATAR calculator runs off an SQL database containing all the data.
It looks like atarcalc.com uses PHP, so it'd probably be better to stick with PHP if you're going to work with daniel15 on integrating it into the site.
Yeah, although I was considering rewriting it as JavaScript eventually, which would make it easier to make standalone offline mobile apps (and calculations would be a lot quicker as they wouldn't need to hit the server). The advantage of doing server-side calculations is I know exactly how many calculations are being done by looking at hit statistics.
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Alright, thanks for that then, I'll have to look into PHP, I'll try to learn it over the holidays
While learning PHP, you should learn PDO (which is the modern interface for PHP to use databases) and about PHP's object orientation features. There's a lot of old tutorials that teach old practices, like using the really old MySQL library (protip: Don't follow any database tutorial that uses the "mysql_connect" function) and messy code.
These might come in handy:
http://webdevrefinery.com/forums/topic/5131-the-backwards-php-53-guide/
http://webdevrefinery.com/forums/topic/1272-your-mysql-code-sucks/
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how do you calc the sd. im not familiar with these terms. could someone help me predict my studyscore for eng, bio, chem, physics, methods and spesh if I averaged 70 in all.
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Really want to know if this is accurate. Can anyone post whether what this predicted is what they actually got? Thanks!
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Really want to know if this is accurate. Can anyone post whether what this predicted is what they actually got? Thanks!
I got a 46 with Legal Studies last year.
I used the spreadsheet using the result I already got - ps. I purchased a statement of marks; here's what the spreadsheet predicted:
LOWER (possible score) 41
UPPER (possible score) 43
So for my score, it is being undergenerous.
I put in scores for Specialist - I got LOWER 38 UPPER 39
BUT I think I will get around a 32 - NOT being overly modest on purpose, or using lower scores as a defense mechanism <insert other slanders>.. so I don't think this spreadsheet is accurate (to its entirety).