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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: melanie.dee on November 04, 2007, 09:46:57 pm
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22698356-661,00.html
yeh so i thought id take a leaf from brendans book and post a link haha
anyway. this is ridiculous right? what the hell is the doctor thinking! and look at the mum hahahaah. and how could the school let her do that? surely it sends a pretty horrible messages to the rest of the students
anyway what are your thoughts on that? i dont get why they would let her do that, rather than give her counselling or something.. or be like fuck off. lol. i doubt shes gona make it through life if she cant last a few hours without a cigarette! its not that hard god, how is she going to make it through yr 11/12?
it reminds of when i was in france, and everyone smokes there out the front of the school during every break and lunch time etc. so bizarre
eta; to change vce to yr 11/12. its fairly obvious she isnt going to make it to vce. vcal maybe (well the canberra equivalent) :D
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I haven't looked at the link but i saw it in the paper this morn and the pic was hilarious haha what bogans. Yeah I hate smokers :evil:
edit. ha yeah you can tell her mum doesn't smoke or anything. You'd think she'd learn that she doesn't want to end up looking like that. Smoking makes you ugly peeple
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Yeah i read this this morning. If she has an addiction can't she just use the patches? It's disgusting the school are letting her smoke. They should be offering or counselling or something instead.
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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The school are probably scared, she's probably some pyscho and so they want her to be 'calm'
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oh i remember that one guy at my school was allowed to chew gum in class because it was Nicorette .
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I haven't looked at the link but i saw it in the paper this morn and the pic was hilarious haha what bogans. Yeah I hate smokers :evil:
edit. ha yeah you can tell her mum doesn't smoke or anything. You'd think she'd learn that she doesn't want to end up looking like that. Smoking makes you ugly peeple
Tell that to my boyfriend ~~
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Fuck that. What next "Guy allowed to smoke weed at school due to medical reasons"
whatever.
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Sounds okay to me. I mean, as long as it's in a well-ventilated area, and the school approves of it. Why should we stick our noses into a private matter?
When we try to substitute individual responsibility with government care, we only turn a personal mishap into a national tragedy.
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Sounds okay to me. I mean, as long as it's in a well-ventilated area, and the school approves of it. Why should we stick our noses into a private matter?
When we try to substitute individual responsibility with government care, we only turn a personal mishap into a national tragedy.
But if one student can do it, do you think all students should be allowed to?
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Sounds okay to me. I mean, as long as it's in a well-ventilated area, and the school approves of it. Why should we stick our noses into a private matter?
When we try to substitute individual responsibility with government care, we only turn a personal mishap into a national tragedy.
But if one student can do it, do you think all students should be allowed to?
Exactly. My teachers have always said, don't eat in class unless everyone is allowed to. Or you bring enough for everyone >_>;
Wait, is that even related?
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hahahah look im all for personal freedoms, i used to smoke so its not even that im looking down on her for that (ok but yeh i totally am. a pack a day is gross. and shes gross, as is her mother, so that totally just makes it ew. her mother is supposed to be 35! she looks about 65!), its just that you have to admit its fairly bizarre for a school to agree to that!! and its also a bit of a distraction! her running out of class early or coming to class late jsut cos of her desperate need for a ciggie :? i dont get how the school could allow that.
and surely they're setting themselves up for some kind of lawsuit too? by other kids later on saying it was the smoking environment that let them get cancer through passive smoking. or the girl herself, saying they caused her cancer by encouraging her habit?
plus it we just accept it and let her fail in life, that effects us too.
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Sounds okay to me. I mean, as long as it's in a well-ventilated area, and the school approves of it. Why should we stick our noses into a private matter?
When we try to substitute individual responsibility with government care, we only turn a personal mishap into a national tragedy.
But if one student can do it, do you think all students should be allowed to?
She is clinically addicted to it. She has a reason for it, and the school has agreed. It is up to the school to decide how they respond to future requests. They may have opened a can of worms for themselves, but I just think it's slightly pretentious to read about the situation and say whether it's wrong or not. If both parties involved have agreed, I don't see the problem. It doesn't affect us.
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i think ill shoot some black tar in literature on wednesday...
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Sounds okay to me. I mean, as long as it's in a well-ventilated area, and the school approves of it. Why should we stick our noses into a private matter?
When we try to substitute individual responsibility with government care, we only turn a personal mishap into a national tragedy.
But if one student can do it, do you think all students should be allowed to?
Exactly. My teachers have always said, don't eat in class unless everyone is allowed to. Or you bring enough for everyone >_>;
Wait, is that even related?
so.. its ok to smoke weed in class as long as you bring enough to get everyone fucked? :P haha i dont think that applies itself so well here!
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Sounds okay to me. I mean, as long as it's in a well-ventilated area, and the school approves of it. Why should we stick our noses into a private matter?
When we try to substitute individual responsibility with government care, we only turn a personal mishap into a national tragedy.
But if one student can do it, do you think all students should be allowed to?
Exactly. My teachers have always said, don't eat in class unless everyone is allowed to. Or you bring enough for everyone >_>;
Wait, is that even related?
so.. its ok to smoke weed in class as long as you bring enough to get everyone fucked? :P haha i dont think that applies itself so well here!
Lol, well, it made sense in my head. I mean, the whole, "one person can get high, so why can't we all" concept xD
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I have no problems with people getting high, but classroom rules are different, because you're on school grounds... it's particularly a concern in a non-ventilated area like a classroom.
The no eating rule is fair enough, or they'd have to hire cleaners, and the mess could get unbearable. It's their property, so they do have rights to restrict you from doing particular things on it.
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I have no problems with people getting high, but classroom rules are different, because you're on school grounds... it's particularly a concern in a non-ventilated area like a classroom.
The no eating rule is fair enough, or they'd have to hire cleaners, and the mess could get unbearable. It's their property, so they do have rights to restrict you from doing particular things on it.
and smoking is bad for the environment! ha. gotcha
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I have no problems with people getting high, but classroom rules are different, because you're on school grounds... it's particularly a concern in a non-ventilated area like a classroom.
The no eating rule is fair enough, or they'd have to hire cleaners, and the mess could get unbearable. It's their property, so they do have rights to restrict you from doing particular things on it.
and smoking is bad for the environment! ha. gotcha
Hehe, that's a different issue. I think cigarettes should be taxed (which they are) because of their pollutive effects.
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Hehe, that's a different issue. I think cigarettes should be taxed (which they are) because of their pollutive effects.
But will this money repair the irreparable?
Which reminds me, once I sold smokes to this guy, who was complaining about the taxes on smokes 'bla bla the govt is stealing my money' and I just smiled, but I was thinking of course they are taxed you idiot, do you know how much you smokers cost our health system!? some people..
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I have no problems with people getting high, but classroom rules are different, because you're on school grounds... it's particularly a concern in a non-ventilated area like a classroom.
haha i wasnt seriously suggest anyone get stoned at school. i was just making a joke haha.
i keep laughing when i see that picture of the mother. id say shes got bigger problems than just the cigarettes haha
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Hehe, that's a different issue. I think cigarettes should be taxed (which they are) because of their pollutive effects.
But will this money repair the irreparable?
Which reminds me, once I sold smokes to this guy, who was complaining about the taxes on smokes 'bla bla the govt is stealing my money' and I just smiled, but I was thinking of course they are taxed you idiot, do you know how much you smokers cost our health system!? some people..
Well, I'm not concerned about the health system, because ideally I wouldn't have the health system socialised.
I just think the tax on cigarettes should pay for the pollution.
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I have no problems with people getting high, but classroom rules are different, because you're on school grounds... it's particularly a concern in a non-ventilated area like a classroom.
haha i wasnt seriously suggest anyone get stoned at school. i was just making a joke haha.
i keep laughing when i see that picture of the mother. id say shes got bigger problems than just the cigarettes haha
Yeah, I wasn't really taking it seriously, haha. Other people seemed to like the lines of "if others can do it, so can I" and started extending it to some other situations, so I thought I'd remind them that in-classroom is different to clinical smoking breaks.
I don't see why the girl couldn't have been put on Nicorette gum or something though. Oh well, that's the school's problem to deal with.
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Well, I'm not concerned about the health system, because ideally I wouldn't have the health system socialised.
I just think the tax on cigarettes should pay for the pollution.
So you'd prefer a user-pays health system like in America?
Also, I don't think money could really compensate for the polltuion. But I've probably gone off track haha
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Well, I'm not concerned about the health system, because ideally I wouldn't have the health system socialised.
I just think the tax on cigarettes should pay for the pollution.
So you'd prefer a user-pays health system like in America?
Also, I don't think money could really compensate for the polltuion. But I've probably gone off track haha
America is on socialised welfare now, I think. A user-pays system could work better:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html
About pollution: it's not really the money that is supposed to fix pollution, but the tax is supposed to disincentivise the purchasing of cigarettes, to encourage more people to quit, so that the number of smokers go down, and pollution will be cut down to a "socially optimum" value (which is more of a microeconomics concept, may sound bizarre).
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but if cigarettes are addictive then that means its demand is fairly inelastic. All that increasing the price does is mean the people who buy them have a much lower purchasing power. If u 'need' something, and its price increases, u cant do shit unless there is viable alternatives which there arent. for chain smokers, the need for a cigarette would be as great as like the need for food. so if we increase the price for food, we'd all be fucked but our demand wuoldnt change much.
as for the girl, capital punishment for being a burden on the planet?
Haha, well that just means we should hike up the price of cigarettes a lot! :P
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Hehe, that's a different issue. I think cigarettes should be taxed (which they are) because of their pollutive effects.
But will this money repair the irreparable?
Which reminds me, once I sold smokes to this guy, who was complaining about the taxes on smokes 'bla bla the govt is stealing my money' and I just smiled, but I was thinking of course they are taxed you idiot, do you know how much you smokers cost our health system!? some people..
Well, I'm not concerned about the health system, because ideally I wouldn't have the health system socialised.
I just think the tax on cigarettes should pay for the pollution.
wtf? As if cigarettes are a major polluter.
Unless you're talking about passive smoking/
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Hehe, that's a different issue. I think cigarettes should be taxed (which they are) because of their pollutive effects.
But will this money repair the irreparable?
Which reminds me, once I sold smokes to this guy, who was complaining about the taxes on smokes 'bla bla the govt is stealing my money' and I just smiled, but I was thinking of course they are taxed you idiot, do you know how much you smokers cost our health system!? some people..
Well, I'm not concerned about the health system, because ideally I wouldn't have the health system socialised.
I just think the tax on cigarettes should pay for the pollution.
wtf? As if cigarettes are a major polluter.
Unless you're talking about passive smoking/
Well, there's certainly some sort of negative effect on people other than the consumer and the seller, so there must be some tax to compensate for this.
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Hehe, that's a different issue. I think cigarettes should be taxed (which they are) because of their pollutive effects.
But will this money repair the irreparable?
Which reminds me, once I sold smokes to this guy, who was complaining about the taxes on smokes 'bla bla the govt is stealing my money' and I just smiled, but I was thinking of course they are taxed you idiot, do you know how much you smokers cost our health system!? some people..
Well, I'm not concerned about the health system, because ideally I wouldn't have the health system socialised.
I just think the tax on cigarettes should pay for the pollution.
wtf? As if cigarettes are a major polluter.
Unless you're talking about passive smoking/
Well, there's certainly some sort of negative effect on people other than the consumer and the seller, so there must be some tax to compensate for this.
So were you referring to passive smoking :?: