What is it?This was produced in 1816. It is about discovering the ephemeral nature of life and the inevitable destruction of all civilizations regardless of their power (sudden and unexpected discovery, confronting and intensely meaningful, emotional, intellectual-some examples from the rubric, but there is more).(https://imgur.com/Tu52Xoh.png)
'Ozymandias' was consumed by his desire for power, but in the end, he is simply a broken statue in the desert.
Ozymandias explores varying notions of discovery. As we follow the narrators tale, we discover that man is mortal but that art and language remains. Although written in 1816, responders today are able to challenge and question man and his actions and his imprint on nature.
Context?Ozymandias was a Greek name for pharaoh Ramesses II, who ruled Egypt from 1279 BCE to 1213 BCE, in the 19th Dynasty of Ancient Egypt.
For anyone in advanced doing 'The Tempest' as their perscribed:PROSPERO was also consumed by power, however he also discovers the fleeting nature of life and changes his ways.
By combining this idea with the above statement regarding the poem, you could create a concept that would work for both texts equally well (leave out the changing ways bit, because 'ozymandias' does not include that).
I included this reference to the tempest because that is my AOS related text.
When looking at whether its actually RELATED, it doesn't have to be, sometimes its better to have a text that has completely different themes to your perscribed text, but that depends on the person. Also different people can find different ways that texts relate. Remember you can say it relates in any way shape or form AS LONG AS YOU BACK UP/EXPLAIN HOW IT DOES
Annotations:
*Please see below the quote box here for the annotations!*
My apologies to anyone who cannot read my annotations properly, this was done very roughly on my computer-my handwritten annotated copy was even harder to read!
Anyway...
Discovery Ideas:The rediscovery of the forgotten statue of Ozymandias is the central feature of the poem as Shelly expounds how the memory of the king's passion and emotion continues to survive, through "the sneer of cold command." Shelly compels the responder to explore the secrets of Ozymandias, by dislocating himself from the poem in the first stanza.
Whilst reading this poem, the responder is prompted to experience a revelation as an understanding that the acts of all past civilization are now worthless, is explored. Ozymandias' statue symbolizes the ephemeral nature of all individuals.
Analysis:
Line 5: "cold command"-alliteration-a harsh sound which echoes the kings heartless instruction. The imperative, "Tell" uttered by the king captures his arrogance and authority.
Line 10: Hyperbole-reinforces his arrogance and the notion that because he was sculpted larger than life that this would retain his story, his leadership, his monuments
Line 11: The sense of irony-the King's words remains-irony-this is the power of language and art
Line 12: Inversion-stresses the "nothing"-his life's work has come and gone-as do civilizations
Line 13: The exaggerated extended vowel "o" in "colossal" and "round" serve to highlight both the magnitude and the crumbling of his rule.
Line 14: The alliteration of "I" in "level" and "lone" emphasize the endless scope of nature-there is no boundary-nature survives,nature is ever present
Some links with some more analysis,themes etc on the poem:
eNotes.com
CliffsNotes
SparkNotes
So there you have it! Another related Text!
I hope this hopes you on your rollercoaster ride through HSC English Area of Study!
If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask me!
Good luck!! :)
Awesome :) I just had to go through the struggle of finding a related text for my prescribed text and I ended up with The Messenger by Markus *ZUSAK* (Might wanna fix that up buddy :P)
It'll be a huge help for those looking for texts especially if you continue on the contextual analysis you've provided for the novels so far :)
Awesome
Regards, Wales
Maybe you could add UP(2009) to the films. I'm using it as my related text and I feel like it is a good text to link to discoveries of the self (Carl's rediscovery of compassion and companionship after these ideals died with his wife's passing) and renewed perceptions of others as well ideas such as the impact of youth and loss on the process of discovery. :)
Hey hey! I don't want to discourage you from doing UP if it is working well for you and your teacher hasn't raised any concerns. However i'd be a bit careful about using a mainstream children's text like this. Unfortunately, even though these films can present some really good themes and techniques, a lot of the markers have an implicit bias towards Disney/Pixar texts. They sometimes see them as unsophisticated and "easy" (even though in my opinion that is absolutely not true). In my case, one of my back up related texts was Finding Nemo (been to a filmmaking lecture where we studied this so I thought I could cut some corners hahaha), and I was heavily discouraged from using this by my teacher. I thought that since I analysed it differently from most people - focusing more in the internal journey rather than the physical (I went really in depth with the psychology of Bruce the shark ngl) - that it would be fine, but it was still too big of a risk for my teacher to let me continue. Both Finding Nemo and UP are really common related texts, so you have to present a super unique argument in order to stand out.
Again, if this is working well for you right now and neither your teacher or yourself can see any glaring issues then keep doing what you're doing! The ways you have related UP to discovery are good, and I'm definitely no expert in English, just giving you my experience :) Just keep this stuff in mind. It might be beneficial to quickly learn a second related just in case.
Oh dear :o thanks for the heads up.
No worries! It is very annoying how picky the markers can be :(
If you need any help finding a replacement related text though feel free to message me, or have a look around the forums :) A lot of people have posted their notes/essays with other related texts which will all work really well!
So my teacher just returned from her vacation and replied with:
"Don't do an animated film because you can't really discuss technicalities like camera angle/ movement, lighting, editing and so forth because there are literally no camera or lights. It's all drawn, so discussion will sound contrived. Plus, yes, they are a little immature. "
As she is marking the essay and, as you mentioned, the HSC markers themselves are not prone to look favourably upon UP, I plan to rewrite the essay with a new related text.
To cut losses short ideally I'd like to retain my work on the prescribed text Away and stick to the question I was trying to answer:
“Experiencing beyond our horizons, deliberately or otherwise, allows us to achieve greater understandings and form renewed perceptions of ourselves and others.” To what degree do your texts support this statement?
This is what my intro looks like at the moment with a line through the stuff related to the old text:
We often find that venturing beyond our own horizons as well as experiencing the worlds of others, leads to self-realization and catalyses transformations in ourselves and those we meet. Michael Gow’s Awayand Pete Docter’s UP bothdemonstrate that it is through the prodigious and inquisitive nature of youth that discoveries are made or precipitated but whilst Gow argues the necessity of understanding or undergoing loss and recovery in order to renew ourselves,Docter focuses on the impact of loss on our perceptions of the world and the need to move on in order to make new discoveries. Studied together, these texts demonstrate that it is delving outside our comfort zones that allow a discovery to be genuinely enriching. An appreciation of what these composers sensitively explore allows us to recognize that the desire to discover and the process of discovery are equally vital in instigating greater understandings and renewed perceptions of ourselves and others.
Basically I'm searching for a text that contains ideas like how youth can undergo or trigger discoveries and also that understanding and overcoming loss/suffering or hearing about the suffering of others allows new discoveries (in Away I discussed them in the form of like self realisations which lead to transformations, I mean, losses are often transformative right?)
Anyway, sorry about the specificity but I was wondering if you could help me find a text that would allow me to explore the ideas above?^
Thank you so much for your help :)
So my teacher just returned from her vacation and replied with:
"Don't do an animated film because you can't really discuss technicalities like camera angle/ movement, lighting, editing and so forth because there are literally no camera or lights. It's all drawn, so discussion will sound contrived. Plus, yes, they are a little immature. "
As she is marking the essay and, as you mentioned, the HSC markers themselves are not prone to look favourably upon UP, I plan to rewrite the essay with a new related text.
To cut losses short ideally I'd like to retain my work on the prescribed text Away and stick to the question I was trying to answer:
“Experiencing beyond our horizons, deliberately or otherwise, allows us to achieve greater understandings and form renewed perceptions of ourselves and others.” To what degree do your texts support this statement?
This is what my intro looks like at the moment with a line through the stuff related to the old text:
We often find that venturing beyond our own horizons as well as experiencing the worlds of others, leads to self-realization and catalyses transformations in ourselves and those we meet. Michael Gow’s Awayand Pete Docter’s UP bothdemonstrate that it is through the prodigious and inquisitive nature of youth that discoveries are made or precipitated but whilst Gow argues the necessity of understanding or undergoing loss and recovery in order to renew ourselves,Docter focuses on the impact of loss on our perceptions of the world and the need to move on in order to make new discoveries. Studied together, these texts demonstrate that it is delving outside our comfort zones that allow a discovery to be genuinely enriching. An appreciation of what these composers sensitively explore allows us to recognize that the desire to discover and the process of discovery are equally vital in instigating greater understandings and renewed perceptions of ourselves and others.
Basically I'm searching for a text that contains ideas like how youth can undergo or trigger discoveries and also that understanding and overcoming loss/suffering or hearing about the suffering of others allows new discoveries (in Away I discussed them in the form of like self realisations which lead to transformations, I mean, losses are often transformative right?)
Anyway, sorry about the specificity but I was wondering if you could help me find a text that would allow me to explore the ideas above?^
Thank you so much for your help :)
Perks of Being a Wallflower. Perks of Being a Wallflower. Perks of Being a Wallflower.
It fits sooooo well with the arguments you are describing, and pretty easy to get done, and done well, even with limited time. Perks is the related text that I studied, so I'm more than happy to have a chat with you about it to help you get started if you are interested :) My notes for it are also in the 'notes' section of ATARNotes.
As Jamon said, theres going to be tonnes on the list as well that fit that theme, but I definitely rate the Perks of Being a Wallflower (either the novel or the film).
Perks of Being a Wallflower. Perks of Being a Wallflower. Perks of Being a Wallflower.
It fits sooooo well with the arguments you are describing, and pretty easy to get done, and done well, even with limited time. Perks is the related text that I studied, so I'm more than happy to have a chat with you about it to help you get started if you are interested :) My notes for it are also in the 'notes' section of ATARNotes.
As Jamon said, theres going to be tonnes on the list as well that fit that theme, but I definitely rate the Perks of Being a Wallflower (either the novel or the film).
These sound like very enthusiastic recommendations ;D
Normally I'd read the novel but I think I'll stick to the film to make up for time lost and just for some variety from written texts :D
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll go find the movie and read your notes and take you up on that chat if you're free tomorrow.
Thanks again! ;D
These sound like very enthusiastic recommendations ;D
Normally I'd read the novel but I think I'll stick to the film to make up for time lost and just for some variety from written texts :D
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll go find the movie and read your notes and take you up on that chat if you're free tomorrow.
Thanks again! ;D
Hi Elyse or Jason,
I just wanted to know if doing a related text that is not necessarily in english (but the subtitles are) is ok.
The text I am referring to is:"Unsung Hero" (Official HD) : TVC Thai Life Insurance
The youtube link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaWA2GbcnJU
Thanks,
Samuel
Hey Elyse, was was wonder if this short film is suitable? >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjqiU5FgsYc
I'm planning on writing how the boy discovers his potential to find happiness even with his condition. The film shows a contrast between the boy's attitudes towards his condition and the puppy's that leads to a more meaningful impact when he discovers his self worth.
Am i over analysing a simple film to try making it fit into discovery?
Thank you :) :D
Hey Elyse or Jamon , I was was wondering if this short film is suitable? >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjqiU5FgsYc
I'm planning on writing how the boy discovers his potential to find happiness even with his condition. The film shows a contrast between the boy's attitudes towards his condition and the puppy's that leads to a more meaningful impact when he discovers his self worth.
Am i over analysing a simple film to try making it fit into discovery?
Thank you :) :D
Hi
how should i analyse orts? I know you have to look at the discovery rubric, and link them to your prescribed text and such but I am having a somewhat frustrating time analysing ORT's (god I hate orts)
Hey! What is it specifically you are having trouble with? Selecting a good ORT? Finding techniques in the ORT? Finding links to Discovery and/or the prescribed text? Give us a feel of what stage you are at and we can try and give you some more specific help, because it sounds like you have the idea! ;D
I've already selected an ORT and I am quite confused in deconstructing it (my english teacher doesnt want to spoonfeed me). It's a poem and I am not really having a clear idea of how to deconstruct it (mainly in terms of it's context) and linking it to my prescibed
Hello I was just wondering if there were any recommended ORT's to that would fit well with the prescribed text The Tempest by Shakespeare?
Thanks!!
Hello I was just wondering if there were any recommended ORT's to that would fit well with the prescribed text The Tempest by Shakespeare?
Thanks!!
Hello I was just wondering if there were any recommended ORT's to that would fit well with the prescribed text The Tempest by Shakespeare?Some great suggestions by both Bianca and kiwiberry! I'd also recommend having a look at the Perks of Being a Wallflower and An Idiot Abroad :) Both of these texts worked perfectly for me, you can find my Tempest essay with these related here, along with notes on the respective texts here and here! Hope this helps ;D
Thanks!!
We're studying 'Motorcycle Diaries' and thinking of possibly doing Mary Harron' 'American Psycho' film as a related, any thoughts or ideas on this?? Also thinking of possibly Edgar Allen Poe's 'The Raven', however, I can't find much info on it, does this mean it's a bad choice?
Thanks
Hey everyone,
I was just wondering how many related test you recommend learning for AOS?
I'm thinking of: John Keats' On First Looking Into Chapman's Homer. Peter Weir's: Dead Poet's Society and William Golding's: Lord Of The Flies.
Thanks so much,
Mary
Hey everyone,
I was just wondering how many related test you recommend learning for AOS?
I'm thinking of: John Keats' On First Looking Into Chapman's Homer. Peter Weir's: Dead Poet's Society and William Golding's: Lord Of The Flies.
Thanks so much,
Mary
Mary,
If you're doing Romanticism for Ext 1, I would highly recommend Keats AND NOT WEIR. This way, you can use Keats as an ORT in both Extension 1 and Advanced. I have been told by many Ext 1 Markers that Dead Poets is a big no no as an ORT for extension, mainly as it is written outside of the period. A fantastic text, one of my favourite movies, but perhaps not the best for the HSC
I always tried to look for where my ORTs could overlap. Keep in mind that your discovery ORT could also work as your Module C text
Would Alice's Adventures In Wonderland by Lewis Carrol be a good related text for The Tempest?
There are some pretty deep themes and motifs that are similar to The Tempest, e.g. emotional discovery, self discovery, imagined discovery, discovery of new worlds etc
I've completed an essay on it already and received a pretty good mark, but I was just wondering how it would be perceived by HSC markers.
Thanks :)
Hey guys, any suggestions for a related text that has a focus on the environment, namely the impact of human carelessness in preserving it?
Ideally I would link it to Robert Gray's poems Flames and Dangling Wire as well as The Meatworks.
Also, if analysing 2 poems and 1 ORT, would it be acceptable to analyse the two poems in one body paragraph and the related + 1 poem in another, or would the ORT need to be analysed in both paragraphs? Thanks!
Hey guys, any suggestions for a related text that has a focus on the environment, namely the impact of human carelessness in preserving it?
Ideally I would link it to Robert Gray's poems Flames and Dangling Wire as well as The Meatworks.
Also, if analysing 2 poems and 1 ORT, would it be acceptable to analyse the two poems in one body paragraph and the related + 1 poem in another, or would the ORT need to be analysed in both paragraphs? Thanks!
Hey barman! Unfortunately I can't recommend a related text for you, but with regard to your second question, it would make the most sense to do one of these:Thanks for the ideas! I'm more inclined to write 2 paragraphs, so I think I'll go for the 2 poems + ORT structure. In that case, I would compare the ORT to one of the poems from the first paragraph, right?
- If 2 paragraphs, do the two poems in one and the ORT in the other
- If 3 paragraphs, do poem, poem and ORT
Your other option is to discuss both poems and your ORT in every paragraph, grouping instead by themes! That's an integrated response ;D ultimately it is your preference!
Hey! When you talk about the environment, Seamus Heaney's poetry comes to mind. His poems, from what I've studied, are more about him drawing inspiration from the environment (Digging and Personal Helicon spring to mind). Perhaps you could twist these to work in your favour? Potentially he has other poems about the destroying of the environment...I'm not sure!Ahh, I remember his poems. I briefly looked at Digging and another one at the start of prelim standard before moving to advance. I'll dig them up again (pardon the pun) and review them.
A short story came up on my Facebook once but I didn't read it, but it was about the environment being destroyed. It was called The Toxic Donut. It might be worth tracking down :)
Thanks for the ideas! I'm more inclined to write 2 paragraphs, so I think I'll go for the 2 poems + ORT structure. In that case, I would compare the ORT to one of the poems from the first paragraph, right?
Songs related to AOS DIscovery?
Songs related to AOS DIscovery?
I feel like a lot of The Beatles songs would work :) Maybe one of these?
- Let it Be
- Strawberry Fields Forever
- Because
- I'm only sleeping
- God (okay so this is actually by John Lennon not The Beatles but whatevs - same with 'Imagine')
I'm not 100% sure how much analysis you'd be able to draw out of them, but idk maybe they could work :)
Hi Austin,oh okay, thanks anyway
I haven't yet seen anyone use a song for AOS. The Guardian has written a list of songs about discovery but it isn't HSC-specific. It might give you some ideas though! :)
Hey guys,
I was thinking of doing the Novel "All the Light We Cannot See" by Anthony Doerr as my Discovery related text and was wondering:
a) Whether it has enough discovery to be considered a viable option as a related text?
b) Due to it winning a Pulitzer Prize and becoming somewhat well known, will it be chosen by many other students around the state?
Thanks,
Bailey
hi! i have my first related text ('Moon Landing' by W. H. Auden), but i'm a little stuck on my second. i'm considering 'Your Paris' by Ted Hughes. is that one that people commonly do? do you think it suits discovery?
(the tempest is my prescribed text, if that matters)
For my Discovery topic I was prescribed Frank Hurley: The Man Who Made History and I chose The Messenger as a related. I scored 10/20 for my speech.
Should I try fix it up or search for a new creative? I felt like The Messenger was a rather relatable text, maybe my execution was just bad?
Hey! It is definitely not a commonly chosen text, but don't let that dissuade you! Do you think it works? ;D
What were the comments you received Wales? Like, can you attribute the mark losses to the ORT? :)
what are your thoughts on a related text which isnt english?
What is probably the most sophisticated film I could do as an ORT for the Tempest??My friend used 'Juno' and it worked really well for her (pretty sure she got 18/20 for Trials?) :) I feel like '100 days of Summer' or 'Little Miss Sunshine' could also work quite well!
I did an essay on The Heart Of Darkness I'm juts not feeling it but I want a challenging film ORT!
ANY SUGGESTIONS???
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but where could I find help for Year 11 Journey Related Texts?
Prescribed text is Macbeth...I'm just really struggling to understand what to look for in a related text...
Thanks for any help :)
Thanks for that I didn't even think of Juno but I'm seeing a lot of great connections ill give it a go!!
Hey! what are your thoughts on using a short film as a discovery related? One of the films i was thinking of doing is called Paperman, a short clip that i found on youtube that seemed like it expresses discovery well. However, im not too sure about how ideas and themes are conveyed and through what techniques.
Thanks for the confirmation! Would you recommend using a short story instead? As i feel like it is easier to draw upon key concepts from a short story rather than a short film.
Thanks for the confirmation! Would you recommend using a short story instead? As i feel like it is easier to draw upon key concepts from a short story rather than a short film.
Thanks for the confirmation! Would you recommend using a short story instead? As i feel like it is easier to draw upon key concepts from a short story rather than a short film.
Hey! what are your thoughts on using a short film as a discovery related? One of the films i was thinking of doing is called Paperman, a short clip that i found on youtube that seemed like it expresses discovery well. However, im not too sure about how ideas and themes are conveyed and through what techniques.
HEY!
I'm really struggling to find a suitable related text for Go back to where you came from. I have a brief idea as to what I'm going to be talking about but I just can't find a great ORT. My thesis is "Discoveries are transformative, however ultimately it is the individual’s willingness to discourse on the multi-facetted nature of discovery, which permeates renewed perception of their surroundings." Any help would be amazing!
Thankyou! :)
Hi!
How many related texts would you recommend we prepare for discovery?
I have one novel as a related so far (yet it applies to every part of the rubric) called 'The Book of Seculation' by Erika Swyler.
Thanks!
If they do happen to ask for two related in discovery, and you use one from the unseen text, what kind of depth would you need to go into?The person who marks your unseen texts will not be the same person who marks your essay - so reusing analysis is completely fine! If they were to ask for two related texts and you only had one prepared, and you were relying on an unseen text to pull you through, I think it's completely fine to spend about 20% of your analysis, to 25%, on the unseen text. Because if your prescribed text makes 50%, then your two related will make up the other 50% together. Obviously this can change, to perhaps 40% prescribed, then 30% for each related...it depends on what you feel most comfortable with in the exam and looking specifically at your essay question :)
For example, could you use similar analysis and quotes to the unseen section
Hi! Would you advise against using a 'common' related text such as Lord of the Flies? I know it's in the list and all, but I've heard that related texts that are well known and commonly studied in English should NOT be used because a lot of people use them and teachers get bored of reading the same thing over and over.
Hey! This is a common misconception - Using a 'common' related text puts you at no immediate disadvantage, just avoid picking it purely because it is common, it has to be something you can analyse and that works with your text! While markers might get sick of the same text done poorly, there is no issue if you do it well!
Hi everyone,
Please help!!
I have trials coming up next week and I've stupidly left it till last minute- my teacher said today that using picture books can be a disadvantage because they require artistic frames and really specific analysis, which I don't feel confident doing- and I've only prepared a graphic novel; The Arrival by Shaun Tan.
My prescribed AOS is Robert Gray's poetry. Are there any quick life saving texts out there? Otherwise, any tips for analysing my graphic novel? :((
Hey! With Trials so close, I honestly think sticking with The Arrival is your best bet! Like, if you can link it to Discovery and you've got quotes/techniques, that's all you actually need! Do you think you've checked those boxes to an extent you are happy with? :)
Hi Jamon,
The Arrival doesn't have any words in it, apart from some weird drawn in words- apart from colour (the whole thing is in sepia), so I am a bit worried about the markers inherently thinking my analysis is shallow but a I can analyse and link symbols to my prescribed, even if i have to stretch it a bit. :\\
Though I think the Arrival is still a great text, and I too would suggest sticking with what you've prepared this late in the game, perhaps a short story would be worthwhile. Maybe Lamb to the Slaughter by Roald Dahl, or any of Tim Winton's short stories.
I can vouch for picture books working well though. This is because many people are encouraged to use paintings for Extension One English in order to heighten the sophistication of their response. Surely this wouldn't be suggested if analysis of a visual was thought to be superficial? Also, even if you are worried about stretching your links, as long as they have grounding in the discovery syllabus, they should be fine. Just make sure you explicitly state the rubric dot point you are trying to prove
Hey Emily!
haha I don't know if you remember but I very awkwardly said thank you after your HSC lecture last holidays. I did my test today, and ended up just sticking to my previous text. Hopefully everything will end up fine :) Just got paper II now!!
Hey! I was wondering if anyone knows of any discovery related texts (novels) that are uncommonly used by schools and most people, but would still be able to find at a library etc? I really wanted to use 'An Open Swimmer' by Tim Winton but it wasn't at my library! Does anyone know of any good Tim Winton novels that have deep discovery themes? Any answers asap would be appreciated :)
If i might make a suggestion to the related texts, one that i found that was quite interesting is Ronald Regens seech regarding the NASA space shuttle "challenger" in 1986. It was his speech addressing the nation following the shuttles explosion 73 seconds after take off. He sits there, lamenting the great quest the astronauts undertook and talks about how it is a human instinct to discover and push the boundaries of what we know which make it not a bad related text for discovery. It has some good themes like bravery in face of the unknown as well.
I don't know if it it'll actually be of any use to anyone, but feel free to add it. If it helps just one person then i'll be happy! I found it pretty good because its only 4 minutes long which is really good if you have an exam coming up soon and you still don't have a related text.
Welcome to the forums! Sounds like an awesome suggestion - Do you have a particular recording you accessed on YouTube or a transcript you used? Would love to add it to the list ;D
If i might make a suggestion to the related texts, one that i found that was quite interesting is Ronald Regens seech regarding the NASA space shuttle "challenger" in 1986. It was his speech addressing the nation following the shuttles explosion 73 seconds after take off. He sits there, lamenting the great quest the astronauts undertook and talks about how it is a human instinct to discover and push the boundaries of what we know which make it not a bad related text for discovery. It has some good themes like bravery in face of the unknown as well.
I don't know if it it'll actually be of any use to anyone, but feel free to add it. If it helps just one person then i'll be happy! I found it pretty good because its only 4 minutes long which is really good if you have an exam coming up soon and you still don't have a related text.
Omg I used this in my hsc last week! So easy to use :)Do you reckon you could send me a copy of your notes regarding it?? Just for me to use to compare to my own
Omg I used this in my hsc last week! So easy to use :)
Helloo
I was directed here the other day from the std english thread but i couldn't see any non-fiction texts here?? Can anyone make some suggestions?
It's for a folio task and I just need help choosing the right ones...
Thanks heaps!!!
Do you reckon you could send me a copy of your notes regarding it?? Just for me to use to compare to my own
Thanks!
Or better yet, click the link in my signature and pop them into the Notes section for everyone to benefit from! ;DI was wondering where i could access these notes??
I was wondering where i could access these notes??
Not just these ones specifically, but all the study notes on offer for everything
Hi!Look, im not going to be able to tell you which one is the best to use. But my advice is to choose something that you will enjoy studying and reading/watching multiple times. Doing something you don't like will ultimately impact your ability to write a good response
I'm currently in the process of choosing ORTs for Module 1, with an forum style assessment coming up soon.
My prescribed text is The Tempest, and these are my ideas for ORTS:
o Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close (novel)
o The Messenger (novel)
o Her (film)
o Juno (film)
o Jasper Jones (novel)
• Infinitely Polar Bear (film)
I'm just very unsure which would link best with the prescribed text. I had settled on Extremely Loud and Incredibly close but I'm a little concerned about how much it contains, and if it's relatable at all to the prescribed?
I also really like Her, but am unsure if that's a good idea for a ORT.
Thanks!
(Sidenote: I'm also doing Ext. 1. for English, and my module for that is After the Bomb, so having a text which covers both of those might be a big help!)
Hi!
I'm currently in the process of choosing ORTs for Module 1, with an forum style assessment coming up soon.
My prescribed text is The Tempest, and these are my ideas for ORTS:
o Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close (novel)
o The Messenger (novel)
o Her (film)
o Juno (film)
o Jasper Jones (novel)
• Infinitely Polar Bear (film)
I'm just very unsure which would link best with the prescribed text. I had settled on Extremely Loud and Incredibly close but I'm a little concerned about how much it contains, and if it's relatable at all to the prescribed?
I also really like Her, but am unsure if that's a good idea for a ORT.
Thanks!
(Sidenote: I'm also doing Ext. 1. for English, and my module for that is After the Bomb, so having a text which covers both of those might be a big help!)
Look, im not going to be able to tell you which one is the best to use. But my advice is to choose something that you will enjoy studying and reading/watching multiple times. Doing something you don't like will ultimately impact your ability to write a good response
Welcome to the forums! Some great advice above - This guide might be helpful to help you choose! ;D
If I were to suggest a related text - and what I used for my HSC throughout the year - I would suggest the short film Shelter. I think the fact is that the moral of the short film resonated well with me and I had a firm grasp of what the short film was trying to convey. In fact, Ive watched the short film so many times and liked it so much that by the time I went into my exam I didn't need to recall specifically preset techniques or quotes, since I could just pick whatever scene and analyse it on the spot.
I dont think its ever been used before, but i think its quite a nice choice especially if your aiming to go for a sense of discovery through emotions and emotional interactions.
PS If anyone needs some analysis of a few quotes for that short film, I can write them up, just let me know
You could pop it over on the related text suggestions thread for other people to check out.
I'll check out this film soon. Can i just google "shelter" and it'll come up or what?
If I were to suggest a related text - and what I used for my HSC throughout the year - I would suggest the short film Shelter. I think the fact is that the moral of the short film resonated well with me and I had a firm grasp of what the short film was trying to convey. In fact, Ive watched the short film so many times and liked it so much that by the time I went into my exam I didn't need to recall specifically preset techniques or quotes, since I could just pick whatever scene and analyse it on the spot.
I dont think its ever been used before, but i think its quite a nice choice especially if your aiming to go for a sense of discovery through emotions and emotional interactions.
PS If anyone needs some analysis of a few quotes for that short film, I can write them up, just let me know
Hey! Just wondering if anyone on here has used a speech of Barak Obama's?I don't know about any of barack obama's speeches, but i found a speech by Ronald Regen regarding the challenger disaster which i reckon would be a solid related text!
I was thinking particularly of the his Inaugural speech, but if anyone has any other ideas on speeches- can u let me know???
Thanks ;D
Excuse my ignorance, but what's the Speech on the Disaster Challenge?
Excuse my ignorance, but what's the Speech on the Disaster Challenge?It was a speech by American President, Ronald Regen regarding the NASA shuttle challenger, which exploded 90 seconds after being launched. He made the speech during a national address regarding the disaster.
Okay, so im trying to find a related text for "wheather a discovery is unexpected or emerges from careful planning it can still reveal suprising consequences" Can anyone help??
Elyse-can you recconmend a good one from the list?
Im also looking for a text that has this in it, but also has other types of discoveries (something well rounded) to use throughout my hsc
Hi there :)Thanks, i'll check it out!
I'm doing Bill Brysons 'A short history of nearly everything,' that is basically a novel about various scientific discoveries and their impact on society. i think it could work well for your question, as it critiques the objectivity of science and instead champions that discovery is a much more organic and haphazard process. It does this by giving us the personal and more human side of famous scientists and their discoveries - like newtons 'discovery' of gravity and some other guys discovery of a tpe of bacteria in our gut - suggesting that discoveries are not at all predictable or measureable, as the nature of science is, but rather more spontaneous. Its a great text to compare the two types of disovery - planned and unplanned.
Hope this helps in some way :)
Mish
Hi there :)
I'm doing Bill Brysons 'A short history of nearly everything,' that is basically a novel about various scientific discoveries and their impact on society. i think it could work well for your question, as it critiques the objectivity of science and instead champions that discovery is a much more organic and haphazard process. It does this by giving us the personal and more human side of famous scientists and their discoveries - like newtons 'discovery' of gravity and some other guys discovery of a tpe of bacteria in our gut - suggesting that discoveries are not at all predictable or measureable, as the nature of science is, but rather more spontaneous. Its a great text to compare the two types of disovery - planned and unplanned.
Hope this helps in some way :)
Mish
As A Short History of Nearly Everything is a prescribed text, some say that using it as a related (if you're doing a different AoS prescribed) would be frowned upon by markers. The verdict isn't conclusive on this, though it is something you should be aware of.\
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Why the hell is it frowned upon?????
I think its a really smart idea because there's already tones of resources on it because its been studied lots of times before!!
This resource is under construction.If you aren't quite sure what constitutes a great related text, then check out our guide to picking a related text here - we've answered a lot of frequently asked questions, too!One of the most enduring questions in Area of Study: What's a good related text?
So below we've compiled a list of over 50 related texts that have been tried and tested. All of these related texts have been brought forward by students - except for a few that I have viewed/read myself and thought it would be perfect for discovery. Where possible, we've attached a brief synopsis so you can get an idea about whether or not you'll like the text. We've also attached some helpful links from the web to help you get on your way to studying the text. Just click on the tabs below to open up the resources. We've organised them into media type, in case you have a preference!
If you have a related text that you'd like to add to the list, we'd love for you to comment the name, what you thought of it, and even any helpful links. We want to create this resource in a way that makes it uber helpful to current and future students, and student input is the best way we can achieve that.
Short Stories:SpoilerTim Winton’s Distant lands
Where can it be found?
You can pick up Distant Lands in Tim Winton's anthology of short stories, Minimum of Two. I got it for about $15 at my local book store, and it's available on iBooks and probably at most local or school libraries. Tim Winton is a well known Australian author, so it's usually not too hard to track down his work.
Brief synopsis
in Distant Lands, a girl named Fat Maz works in her parent's news-agency in what appears to be a dull and non-stimulating country environment. Her days are bland, her father is a racist, her mother is a bore. They go home in the lunch hour, but Fat Maz stays to watch the shop. A Pakistani man enters the shop in that lunch hour to read a book called Distant Lands. He never buys it, but puts it back after the hour and leaves before Fat Maz's parents return. They never talk. *Spoiler alert* Until the end, when he gives her a $50 note (that has more significance back then than what it does now). The money is symbolic of new perspectives, and the book "Distant Lands" is a motif as well.
Ideas explored
-Discovering new perspectives
-Discovering new worlds
-A change in environment being a catalyst for discovery
-Emotional, intellectual and physical discoveries.
-Transformative discoveries.
-Many more
Resources
You can read my band 6 essay for AOS using Distant Lands here.
Tim Winton’s Neighbours
Where can you find it?
This TIm Winton short story can be found in the short story anthology called Scission. Most book stores sell this for about $15, and it is available on iBooks. Most libraries will have Tim Winton's work. Here's a copy I found on the web.
Synopsis
A young married couple move into a street that has a high population of Europeans (Italians, Maltese, Polish etc). The couple are hesitant at first and appear to be complete outsiders. In time, they realise how helpful and kind these people are, and they realise that they are all just humans. The cultures melt together in a really beautiful way.
Ideas explored
-Discovering new perspectives
-Outlooks and perspectives being challenged
-Discovering intellectually, and emotionally.
-Renewed perceptions leading to new outlooks.
-Transformative nature of discovery
-+more
Resources
Here's a summary I found online that might give you some helpful language. By the same author, here's a character analysis!
Kate Chopin’s The Story of an Hour
Where can I find it?
Riiiiiiight here!
Synopsis
This story was originally published in Vogue in the 1894. It is about a sickly wife with a heart condition. She's told that her husband has died, causing her to grieve heavily and then imagine an entire new life of freedom for herself. With acknowledgement to the sadness her husband's death brings, she's caught up in the positive ramifications this could have. *Spoiler alert* She comes to terms with this very new positive life very quickly, although she loved her husband, she loved the prospect of freedom. She leaves her bedroom after grieving, and goes downstairs to realise her husband is still alive. She gets such a shock that she dies.
Ideas explored
-Discovery that is emotional, creative, physical, spiritual and intellectual.
-Discovering new perspectives.
-Tragedy as a prompt for discovery
-Transformative nature of discovery
-Unplanned/planned nature of discovery
Resources
There are some wonderful resources out there on this short story, starting with Schmoop. Schmoop is always a great place to start because they take you from summary to analysis. SparkNotes does something similar here as well! Here's another more random resource that's worth checking out! Here's a link to a location with a bunch of essays on this short story.
The Necklace by Guy de Maupassant
Where can it be found?
The full text can be found here!
Synopsis
This is not the shortest of short stories, but it's a goodie. Basically, a woman is dissatisfied with her lowly economic status, which is comfortable but nothing extravagant. She's been married into a middle income situation and she's so dissatisfied. Her husband brings home an invitation one day to a fancy event, but she says to decline because she doesn't have a nice dress. So the husband arranges for her to have a lovely dress at the cost of 400 francs. Then, she finds that she is still dissatisfied because she doesn't have jewels. The husband tries to convince her to wear flowers, but she insists on jewels. So she borrows some from a wealthy Madame. She goes to the ball, she's intoxicated by the attention she received for being the most beautiful woman in the room. As she walks home, she realises she's lost the necklace. Her husband retraces the steps through the night but finds nothing. So they work extremely hard to find $36,000 to pay for a new diamond necklace. They mortgage the rest of their lives out, and live in poverty and dismay. Years onwards, the wife meets Madame in the street; Madame doesn't recognise her. The wife explains how she's lived a life in debt and turmoil because of the lost necklace, and Madame tells her at the end that it was only costume jewellery. She'd thrown away her life for nothing.
Resources
As always, SparkNotes has you covered! Schmoop does too! This resource here dissects the themes in the text. This resource is excellent for dissecting situational irony and conflict. This text is not short of resources!
The Tell Tale Heart by Edgar Allan Poe
Where can I get a copy?
It was written in 1843, so the world wide web has it available for free viewing here!
Synopsis
I'll start by saying that I'm not a huge fan of Poe's work, but I think this piece is wonderfully mad.
Here's a summary I've taken directly from SparkNotes: "An unnamed narrator opens the story by addressing the reader and claiming that he is nervous but not mad. He says that he is going to tell a story in which he will defend his sanity yet confess to having killed an old man. His motivation was neither passion nor desire for money, but rather a fear of the man’s pale blue eye. Again, he insists that he is not crazy because his cool and measured actions, though criminal, are not those of a madman. Every night, he went to the old man’s apartment and secretly observed the man sleeping. In the morning, he would behave as if everything were normal. After a week of this activity, the narrator decides, somewhat randomly, that the time is right actually to kill the old man."
How does this work with discovery?
-The reader makes a discovery as the story unfolds
-The narrator is coming to terms with a type of discovery at the same time as the reader.
-The idea of truth, and the struggle of truth, is paramount to discovery.
Resources
Obviously, SparkNotes has some great perspective on this text. Schmoop has also got you covered. CliffsNotes also has some perspective on this. Lastly, this resource really breaks down a lot of the techniques, which is always important.
Graphic Novels/Comic Books/Picture BooksSpoilerPeter Sis’s The Wall: Growing up Behind the Iron Curtain
Where can you get this?
Amazon has copies of this for about $12. My school library had a copy, which is how I came across it (it was actually brought to my attention as a related text for After the Bomb in Extension 1 English). Definitely check out your school or local library before buying a copy. Here's a quick google image search on what the pages of the book look like - so you know.
What's it about?
Basically, the author Peter, was growing up on in Soviet-controlled Czech in the Cold War. The graphic novel explains how his life was in that time. Colour is used mostly (everything black and white with accents of red). It's a real joy to read and it's not very long. Towards the end, influences from the West come floating over the wall...Peter hears about Coca Cola and American Music. So the pages turn to bright colour as the Berlin wall is dismantled. It's a really good book and you can definitely read it in one sitting - about 10 minutes. The most important aspect, at least in my own reading, is that Peter is an artist. He's been drawing for as long as he can remember - even in a place where it was dangerous to draw.
Discovery?
This book works for discovery on a few levels. The idea of perception is challenged as new ideas are discovered. The impact that an environment has on discoveries is potent in this book. The discoveries in the book are transformative in nature, and largely unplanned.
Resources please?
Here's a write up from the New York Times. Here is an interview with the author of the book. And here is the author explaining what is happening on some of the pages. And for what it's worth, here's the blurb from Peter's website.
Shaun Tan’s The Lost Thing (this is also a short film and a play)
Where can I get it?
Here is the direct link to the magical site of The Lost Thing. Here is the animated version.
What's it about?
The YouTube animation describes the plot like this: "A boy finds a strange creature on a beach, and decides to find a home for it in a world where everyone believes there are far more important things to pay attention to."
Discovery
This text worked well for belonging and it'll work well for discovery. The initial experience of discovery is the unplanned nature, when the boy comes across the Thing on the beach. From there, it's a pleasant unravelling of discoveries. The discovery of other people's perceptions is the one that sticks out the most to me. Also, the way that a discovery, like the physical discovery of the Thing, can prompt emotional, intellectual, spiritual and creative discoveries and changes within an individual.
Resources:
If you don't mind reading lesson plans, this resource is genuinely really good for breaking down the text for the first time. Here's another great gold mine for resources on this one! Here's an interview from the State Library of Victoria where Shaun Tan talks about the Lost Thing. There's lots and lots out there on this!
Armin Greder’s The Island
The Violin Man, by Bill Bryson and Colin Thompson
Films (including short films)SpoilerThe Perks of Being a Wallflower (also a novel)
23 Degrees, 5 minutes (YouTube)
Slumdog Millionaire
Kim Ho’s The Language of Love
Jane Campion’s the Piano
Little Miss Sunshine - Jonathan Dayton
The Butterfly Circus - Joshua Weigel
The Book Thief - Brian Percival
Where do Lilacs Come from? By Matthew Thorne
The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas
Spirited Away by Hayako Miyazaki
Christopher Kezelos’ Zero
Still visualsSpoilerPicasso - Guernica
Rene Magritte - The Treachery of Images
The Savage State by Thomas Cole
Novels/NovellasDocumentariesSpoilerCharles Dickens - Great Expectations
Where can I get it?
You can get this one free on iBooks, but it's a very long text to read from a screen. I read it in paperback.
What's it about?
This is a bildungsroman text - a text that deals with someone's formative years. Pip is a young boy of lowly status who falls into extraordinary circumstances. Pip grows to realise things aren't as they seem (I'm simplifying the story massively - it's one of those stories where everything falls together in ways you could never imagine).
What's it got to do with Discovery?
The story follows someone who actually goes to where the grass is greener, only to realise that it is in fact, not greener. It's a perfect story for discovery new perspectives, challenging old perspectives, discovery emotionally, physically, spiritually, intellectually and creatively, as well as planned and unplanned discoveries. This text, out of all of the ones I've read myself, has the most discovery to unpack.
Some resources please!
Well, we always start with SparkNotes. And then we move to Schmoop. This book review is also pretty handy. You can't read the entire thing unless you sign in, but the preview offers a lot of good analysis on women in the text. And here is a PDF about approaching Great Expectations, as well as some analysis.
John Le Carre - The Spy who Came in from the Cold
What's it about?
The SPy Who Came in from the Cold is a Cold War Espionage novel by John Le Carre - a famous writer in this genre. This is a prescribed text for the Extension 1 English After the Bomb elective. I read it myself, and the genre wasn't my cup of tea, but I cried at the end and I definitely didn't see that coming. The text is quite meaningful and can be enjoyed for it's value on humanism - or its espionage value. Basically, a spy finds himself a pawn in a much bigger game (called the Cold War) and he is tied up with how romance, and state loyalty, can interact. At least, this is the way I see the text. A espionage aficionado would see it differently! :)
What's it got to do with Discovery?
There's a lot of discovering to do in terms of emotions...purpose...and value. There's a lot of physical discoveries too, given that it is in a spy-situation. There's a lot to unpack with this text.
Where are some resources?
There are hundreds of resources on this one, lots of reviews, lots of opinions, etc. Here's a few to get you started:
Here is a summary and guide from Bookrags.
Here's a sort-of opinion piece published to the Guardian.
If you're looking for something more complicated, here is a structuralist reading.
George Orwell’s Animal Farm
Elizabeth Gilbert’s Eat, Pray, Love
Margaret Atwood’s The Vanishing Child
Stephen Cosky’s The Perks of Being a Wallflower (also a film)
Mark Zusak’s The Messenger (2002)
William Golding’s The Lord of the Flies
The Metamorphosis - Franz Kafka
The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas
The Book Thief Markus ZucakSpoilerRicky Gervais and Stephen Merchant’s comedy travelogue: An Idiot Abroad
PoetrySpoilerRobert Frost -The Road Not Taken
Seamus Heaney - Digging
Seamus Heaney - Mid Term Break
Sylvia Plath - Ariel
Margaret Atwood - The Moment
Margaret Atwood - Journey to the Interior
Barn Owl - Gwen Harwood
Peter Skrzynecki’s Crossing the Red Sea
Peter Skrzynecki’s Leaving Home
Darius Simpson and Scout Bostley’s spoken word poem Lost Voices (2015)
Cut - Sylvia Plath
The Good Morrow - John Donne
BiographiesSpoilerMalala Yousafzai’s I am Malala
MultimediaSpoilerThe Boat - SBS
Clouds over Sidra - UN
Brandon Stanton: Humans of NY
Where can I access this?
The link to the offical blog is here but you probably know that HONY is on Facebook and Instagram as well. Facebook is important. As you discuss this text, you could discuss the use of social media and interactivity as a technique for discovery in itself. If you want to be more specific, you can actually focus on a particular series that HONY has conducted, you can find the different series here.
Synopsis
I have to say, this is one of my highest recommendations for related texts. It's innovative, it's never a bore to analyse, and you can be as specific or broad as you like (meaning, you could spend ten minutes reading the text or the whole year). Each story gives a little insight into the life of someone. The series unify the experience, bringing the discovery together in a stronger way. I can't give much of a synopsis seeing as every photo is so different, but if you have a look on the blog site, you'll understand.
Discovery
Again, this is diversified. The reader almost always discovers, and usually the topic being discussed is a moment of epiphany or discovery for the individual.
Resources:
This text lacks in resources of the Schmoop kind, so to say. But, I really don't think you need them. Each individual photo has it's own devices, each speech has it's own flair. You can pick and choose what you want to talk about, there's so much variety. If you're into playing the Devil's Advocate, there's lots of criticism for HONY online. Here's an article I like though, about the way audience's are affected by HONY.
SpeechesSpoilerHugh Evan’s TED Talk - Global Citizenship
The Fringe Benefits of Failure and the Importance of Imagination by JK Rowling
Ronald Reagan: Challenger Speech (Recording)(Transcript)
Drama/PlaysSpoilerSamuel Beckett’s Waiting for Godot
Oscar Wilde’s the Importance of Being Ernest
EssaysSpoilerGeorge Orwell’s Shooting an Elephant
English Teacher's Association ResourceSpoilerThis is a resource I found online from the ETA. It suggests some related texts, but also suggests ways to go about approaching them. It might be useful for you! If you think it might be worth it, the link is here.
Hi :D
thanks so much for this resource; it's a major help! However, I would have liked to view the Teacher's Association Resource but the link no longer works. :(
Hi!
I think it is either this or this :)
NESA themselves say this is fine, and I think Elyse has even chatted to them about it over the phone. It is 100% fine and 100% not frowned upon.
I think why it could be discouraged by teachers is that it might not be as good as a decision as picking something else. Like, going straight to a prescribed is ignoring lots of other great options, some of which might work better for you. You shouldn't pick a prescribed purely to make your life easier, you should pick it because it works well with what you are studying ;D
Hi, sorry, I was wondering if a good related text for Discovery could be: Adichie’s 2009 short story, The thing around your neck?Seems like a good idea.
Thanks,
Seems like a good idea.
Remember, that most texts can be used as a related texts, if you know where to look for references to discovery and thats especially easy if you enjoy the story! Just do a bit of research around it, and make some notes about it, then run them by your english teacher to get their opinion
I found this essay that includes your text by just typing it into google and adding "discovery" to it
Good luck!
Oh ok, thankyou! Also I've written an essay based on a particular question, my core text and my first related text, Boy in the Striped Pajamas. And I was wondering whether you believe that I should write a general essay on my core text and my second related text, The thing around your neck? Thanks,You definitely should! Then get people to compare them, and decide on whichever one is better, and that you enjoy talking about!
You definitely should! Then get people to compare them, and decide on whichever one is better, and that you enjoy talking about!
Oh ok, thanks also sorry, I was wondering if I could message or PM you or another marker my first, Boy in the Striped Pajamas essay, as I don't necessarily feel comfortable posting my essay on a forum? Thanks,Sure! don't know when i'll get the chance to look at it though, but you certainly can. i also am not the best with marking english essays, but i'll try my best!
Hey!Don't quote me word for word on this but, im guessing most of the hsc markers will already know this is a perscribed text in the new syllabus.
So I am currently in the process of writing my AOS Essay and have found the related text I want to do. It's J.K. Rowling's Speech "The Fringe Benefits of Failure and the Importance of Imagination".
Recently I discovered it is on the Standard English Module C prescribed text list and I understand we can't use prescribed texts as our ORT. However, it is a prescribed text for the new HSC English Syllabus not the current one we are studying.
Do you think I can still use it because technically that syllabus isn't implemented for our year?
Thanks!!
Sure! don't know when i'll get the chance to look at it though, but you certainly can. i also am not the best with marking english essays, but i'll try my best!
Some other people i can recconmend PMing it too are elysepopplewell and opengangs both of them i cannot recconmend highly enough for marking! :)
Be sure to send it to them to. Also, when you do, make sure you mention that i directed you to them and you have an essay you'd like marked.
Can i also ask, why do you not feel comfortable posting your essay on the forum, if you don't mind me asking? :)
Don't quote me word for word on this but, im guessing most of the hsc markers will already know this is a perscribed text in the new syllabus.
Also, there's no rule that says you cannot use texts perscribed from other modules as related texts, just thats its not highly recconmended.
this link may also help to answer your question!
Hey!
So I am currently in the process of writing my AOS Essay and have found the related text I want to do. It's J.K. Rowling's Speech "The Fringe Benefits of Failure and the Importance of Imagination".
Recently I discovered it is on the Standard English Module C prescribed text list and I understand we can't use prescribed texts as our ORT (well at least at my school we aren't). However, it is a prescribed text for the new HSC English Syllabus not the current one we are studying.
Do you think I can still use it because technically that syllabus isn't implemented for our year?
Thanks!!
Hello :) just wondering if anyone could help me on what Frost poem would link best with the short story 'The Story of an Hour'?? I tend to think that Home Burial links in some ways but I just need a second opinion...Does anyone have any ideas on this?
Thanks heaps!
Hey guys,Personally, i've never read "to kill a mockingbird". But choosing a related text is definitely a very personal choice. Ask yourself: Do you thoroughly enjoy this book? Do you think you will enjoy studying it in depth? Will studying it too much bore you and cause you to loose intrest?
For my related text i keep going back and forth. There is one text that i was thinking about using which is the novel To kill a Mockingbird. I just wanted to ask if anyone had any thoughts about this text and any recommendations
thanks :)
Hi...Hey,
Is it acceptable to have a TV show episode as a related text? I have a gut feeling that it is either not allowed/not a good idea, but there are so many TV shows I can think of that would link in really well with discovery... :-\
Hey,
Yep! Any medium can be used as a related text. Fun fact: I used a video game as my final related text.
Hi...Hey, yeah! It's very difficult to talk about a video game though which is why not many decide to use them haha. I used To the Moon, which is an exploration game about a final man's wish. It's beautiful!
Sweet, thanks!
That's so cool about using a video game. What game was it?
And also, if I am going to do a TV show, should I stick to one episode, or one season, or something else?
Personally, i've never read "to kill a mockingbird". But choosing a related text is definitely a very personal choice. Ask yourself: Do you thoroughly enjoy this book? Do you think you will enjoy studying it in depth? Will studying it too much bore you and cause you to loose intrest?
If you answered yes to the first two, and no to the last one, then this is probably a good text to use.
Also consider your perscribed. Is it a story? If it is then doing a story for a related isn't the best way to go. It is usually best to do two different contrasting text types (E.g my perscribed was the tempest, a play so i did a short story as a related).
If you're still stuck for ideas, then the list at the beginning of this thread would be a good place to start. You can find that Here
Hope this helps! :)
Thanks for the help :)If you are still looking for information - I would definitely recommend TKAMB for a related text. Heaps of different discoveries on a few different levels, and is quite an easy read.
If you are still looking for information - I would definitely recommend TKAMB for a related text. Heaps of different discoveries on a few different levels, and is quite an easy read.
But do agree with what has already been said - if you are doing a novel for your prescribed, try to contrast it a bit.
HiSounds good ;) There are tons of resources online to help with analysing TKAMB too, and I'm sure there are others on here that will be more than willing to help with any of your questions.
Yes my prescribed texts are poems therefore i was planning to do a novel.
I think i have finally decided to do TKAM as my related text as i feel more comfortable relating this book to discovery.
Thanks for the advice :)
Hi...Its good to have a completely different discovery, as this opens up new pathways to argue. I'd recconmend having a look at Tim Wintons work as well. He's a well known australian author who has many short stories that are good for discovery.
Does anyone have any particular advice when choosing a short story (as a second AOS related)? I'm finding it hard to pick one as I don't exactly know what I should be looking for... Can the discovery be completely different to the other texts? I've also been looking more at older stories - written in 1900s as the quality of analysis has tended to be a bit better with them...
Any help appreciated... Thanks!
Its good to have a completely different discovery, as this opens up new pathways to argue. I'd recconmend having a look at Tim Wintons work as well. He's a well known australian author who has many short stories that are good for discovery.
Also, what is your perscribed? If it is a story, then you should be looking at text types for a related text other than stories to contrast with your prescribed
Hope this helps!
Hi...
My teacher changed our mod B prescribed Tim Winton (Cloud Street) to something else because she didn't think our class would like it haha.
Glad you back using a contrasting discovery - that's a lot easier to find.
My prescribed is Robert Gray poetry, so I have a film as my main related, so that's why I am looking for a short story as my 2nd related....
Thanks for all your help!
Hi...
My teacher changed our mod B prescribed Tim Winton (Cloud Street) to something else because she didn't think our class would like it haha.
Glad you back using a contrasting discovery - that's a lot easier to find.
My prescribed is Robert Gray poetry, so I have a film as my main related, so that's why I am looking for a short story as my 2nd related....
Thanks for all your help!
Just wanted to say I'm also doing Robert Gray for the AOS and Tim Winton 'Cloudstreet' for Mod B. I did not know we needed two related texts for AOS ._. Have you read Cloudstreet yet? If so what are your thoughts?I'm not actually doing Cloud Street anymore :-\ (I probably worded the last post a bit weirdly, because my mod B prescribed changed from Cloudstreet to an assortment of speeches). I did read the first few chapters before we changed texts, and despite it not being anywhere near the kind of books I read for leisure, I found it quite intriguing... A bit of a dramatic interpretation of Australian bogan life haha!
From theyam :)
Hey Kauac!
Just wanted to give my two cents. For Robert Gray AOS, the ORT I chose was Christopher Koch's The Boys in the Island, a text I read in my prep for Ext 2 Eng. In terms of comparing the texts, I will use the examples of Journey, the North Coast and Late Ferry as these are the two poems I chose for my HSC paper. The Boys in the Island (TBITI) is similar to JTNC as it involves the rediscovery of one's childhood. TBITI is also similar to Late Ferry as both involve a discovery of the importance of withdrawing from the business of city life (in TBITI, the central character travels from the simplicity of his life in Tasmania to the alluring lights of Melbourne, as does Gray in Late Ferry. In both instances, the narrator uncovers the falsity of these lights and realises they are corrupt/detrimental to the human experience.
In regards to contrasts, you can definitely pick texts that have different types of discoveries. I probably need an example from you to see where you would be going but you can definitely link two completely different ideas through the nature of the discoveries. For instance, a text about a lonely child struggling going to school for the first time vs. a text about someone learning they have cancer for the first time - very different plots but linked for example by the fact that they are both confronting discoveries.
Hope that helped! :)
hello!I haven't looked at many of those texts (although that facebook video piqued my intrest) but...
(I'm not sure if this is the right thread ??? so I'm sorry if its not)
I'm doing (well I did lol) The Tempest for AOS and was tossing between these related texts, any help is appreciated. Ty!
* Gwen Harwood "Father and Child Part one: Barn Owl "
* A Tropfest short film "Revive"
* Tim Winton " Neighbours"
* this short film I found on FB https://www.facebook.com/tedtalkvideos/videos/703666509821897/
NOTE: "father and child" and "revive" are already analysed in terms of technique not in terms of discovery YET. the other two however I haven't analysed.
ALSO: my teacher did recommend "Invictus BY WILLIAM ERNEST HENLEY"
I haven't looked at many of those texts (although that facebook video piqued my intrest) but...
I took AGES to find my related text and i finally came across tim wintons work
I would greatly recconmend him! Also check out another one of his stories "Distant Lands" as an alternative
Also, it's about personal preference, what you believe would be the best choice in your heart. If you like them all equally, then you're just going to have to pick one and roll with it!
In any case, Good luck! ;D
Thank you for your reply but I searched for distant lands but I couldn't find it anywhere. There was only an audio book available which is pre annoying :(
I know this is dumb but... even after I do chose 2 texts idk what to do after that. I don't know how to analyse it in terms of discovery. Everyone says look at the rubric but how do I use t rubric.
Thank you for your reply but I searched for distant lands but I couldn't find it anywhere. There was only an audio book available which is pre annoying :(
Hi...
I was wondering about this only a few weeks ago... Thankfully I talked to my teacher, and she introduced me to a simple approach to start analysing and comparing between the prescribed and related texts. They are called TEE tables.
With these, the rubric is broken up into four aspects: process, perspectives, contextualisation and ramifications/transformations. The aim is to try and include an example, technique and effect for a few rubric points for each of the four aspects. Note: You don't need to try and 'force in' random examples from your texts to match EVERY point, as not all of them are going to be relevant for the text. E.g. You don't need a confronting and provocative discovery for Prince Charming finding that Cinderella's foot fits the glass slipper. (Sorry, it was the first thing that popped into my head ;D).
I've attached a sample table, so feel free to check out the layout! Hope this all makes sense! :D
Your local library is worth a look! I know Distant Lands works really nicely (one of our English lecturers Elyse praises it highly) so if you can't find something else, worth a quick trip to see ;D
Thank you for your reply but I searched for distant lands but I couldn't find it anywhere. There was only an audio book available which is pre annoying :(Its in a book (that contains a collection of short stories by tim winton) called minimum of two.
I know this is dumb but... even after I do chose 2 texts idk what to do after that. I don't know how to analyse it in terms of discovery. Everyone says look at the rubric but how do I use t rubric.I agree with kauac, TEE Tables are definitely worth a look at ;D
Its in a book (that contains a collection of short stories by tim winton) called minimum of two.
I know how hard it is to try and find, i searched for a long time :(
In the end, i purchased a copy of minimum of two from the google play store, so i now have an Ebook version
I agree with kauac, TEE Tables are definitely worth a look at ;D
Try to develop some thesis' or overarching ideas regarding discovery using the rubric
Then just look for some good techniques (metaphors, alliteration, anything).
THEN (only after having found some techniques) try and find ways to link these techniques (analysis) back to your thesis'/overarching themes!
Hello,Is there a certain visual text type you are more comfortable analysing? You can do photographs, cartoons, short films etc - short films are really good in that they have more to draw out than say, a photograph, but some people find it harder to analyse.
Just wondering if anyone has any idea on visuals other than the ones listed??
I'm just struggling to find good sources for it!!
Thanks...
Just something where the discovery is almost obvious, but I wouldn't get marked down for picking an easy text... does that make sense?? I'm trying to find some kind of a picture that shows either someone or something discovery new land, or looking back on their discovery...Yep, sure! We'll find something that works ;). I like using Shaun Tan books - the discovery is obvious, but has so many complex layers that require analysing that it wouldn't be considered an 'easy' text in my opinion.
Not sure if that explains it more or not!!!
Thanks heaps..
Thanks heaps!It doesn't look bad actually! What kind of ideas would you pull out from it? I'm just worried that you won't have enough to sustain an essay.
Ok, yes I have actually analysed that before actually....
I've just been looking at 'The Savage State' by Thomas Cole... I reckon it is actually quite good! What are your thoughts on that one??
We have to relate it to a Robert Frost poem... Once I had chosen the text i was going to pick one of his poems....
Thanks...
It doesn't look bad actually! What kind of ideas would you pull out from it? I'm just worried that you won't have enough to sustain an essay.Yeh well i wasn't sure if it would or not... I was thinking of how the moving cloud is kind of uncovering the scene which the traveller is entering. Off to the side there is some kind of settlement- not sure if that would be of any help... also just the variety of colours used makes the scene look kind of mystic (if that's the right word...) not sure if these points are relevant or not but lmk your thoughts!!!
But I think it can work ;)
New related text - Hunt for the Wilderpeople - Film
New related text - Hunt for the Wilderpeople - Film
Discoveries explored: Self-discovery // Physical discovery // Emotional discovery // Curiosity // Renewed perspectives on individuals and of others // Speculation of future possibilities // Unexpected nature of discovery // Wonder // Necessity // Confronting and provocative // Rediscovery of one's self
Synopsis: Hunt for the Wilderpeople (2016) follows two main characters, Ricky Baker and Hector. Ricky Baker is a juvenile delinquent who has been abandoned by his mother and has been in and out of foster care with a welfare service officer, Paula. Hector's wife, Bella, is his new foster mother who looks to take on a seemingly impossible task of raising him up. The plot continues to thicken when Bella suddenly dies, and Hector called the welfare service officer to pick him up again. At the same time, Ricky fakes his suicide and burns down a barn where he later runs into the forest - later found by Hector.
In this event, Hector breaks an ankle after taking a fall and they are forced to camp out in the forest. Meanwhile, a national manhunt for the two people begin after authorities believe that Hec has kidnapped Ricky. The two slowly bond as they help each other through this manhunt, which is where most of the internal discoveries take place. Throughout the manhunt, we observe their own selves starting to change and they become more alike in the sense that they are both cared by the same loving person, Bella.
The film places comedy where a lot of the serious issues arise, emphasising the theme of hope and trust as the film concludes with a well rounded version of Ricky Baker - the man he never was - with the film concluding with a scene of Hector (after he is released from prison) and Ricky Baker together.
Discuss discovery in terms of:
There are many chances for you to discuss the notion of discovery.
Self-discovery is one of the main ideas you could definitely bring into light - both, Hector and Ricky transform into a better person individually and in society as a result of their bond. Hector becomes a father figure he never once was. As an illiterate and as someone who hated people, Hector's growth as a person is clear cut - he begins to see love again, encapsulating hopefulness, gratitude, and perseverance when he's around Ricky. Ricky, on the other hand, understands Hector - their bond creates a father-son moment, and this catalyses Ricky's growth. He needed a father figure in his life, and so he begins to transform and grow as a person because of Hector. Together, they are strong - they couldn't survive without the other.
Another big discovery concept that definitely comes into play is the unexpected nature that discoveries can play. We see this very clearly through the death of Bella, the foster mother of Ricky and the wife of Hector. The sudden death of Bella becomes the starting/turning point to a chain of smaller discoveries, but it's the unexpected nature of discovery that drives Hector and Ricky to explore the consequences of their smaller discoveries. They are forced to change the way they live, and through this, they change their outlook on life. The unexpected death meant that Hector had to raise Ricky up, but he fears that the "old" Hector isn't the best role model to do so. As a result of this, he calls the welfare service officers to take Ricky back to juvenile camp. However, his outlook changes through the recurring discoveries that he encounters later on. One big change in someone's lifestyle, as a result, can bring a whole new perspective on themselves and of the world.
Works well with:
I believe that it is definitely a good related text for the Motorcycle Diaries. There are values of adventure that both texts explore, the changed positioning of the protagonist's outlook is definitely a key facet in both texts, and the metaphysical discoveries that are explored are encompassed in both texts.