Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 09:54:06 am
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UPDATE 7th November 2007 11:15 PM: A working prototype of the calculator is now online! It's not very pretty at the moment (and lacks many features), but should work properly.
http://atarcalc.com/
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Hi everyone,
I was planning on writing an ENTER calculator (mainly as a programming thing, something to do when I'm bored... That's what programmers do when they're bored, they code random things :P). Basically, you enter in your expected study scores, and it estimates the ENTER you'd get (based on results from previous years, using the scaling report). This was mainly because I could not find any good ENTER calculators - The only good one I could find was the one on the Bored of Studies site, which doesn't seem to load properly half the time (I swear, their server must be some old Pentium sitting in someone's basement :P). I know there's an Excel spreadsheet floating around that does this, but it didn't seem to work in OpenOffice for me :(
Do you think this would be a good idea? It'd be online (so you wouldn't need to download anything) and no registration would be required. Perhaps we could make it the "Official FSN ENTER calculator"? :D
Updated 25th February 2009: Changed to new URL.
Post by: cara.mel on November 07, 2007, 10:22:51 am
The excel one doesn't work in openoffice for me either ;( I really need to get around to buying microsoft office x_x (although I like the word processor more than microsoft word I have decided)
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 10:37:59 am
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There's already one that's been made, using last years data. Of course, I haven't saved the link to it but I've seen it around a lot.
Oh, really? Well I might still make mine, just as a programming exercise (and seeing as I can't seem to find any information on this other one... Anyone know more about it?)
The hardest bit would be getting the data from the PDF of the scaling report into a useable form, but I suppose I could write a script to grab the data from the PDF file. :)
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The excel one doesn't work in openoffice for me either ;( I really need to get around to buying microsoft office x_x (although I like the word processor more than microsoft word I have decided)
I use Linux... No Microsoft Excel for me :P
Well, I've got Office 2000 on CD somewhere, and I can install it on WINE, but I'm not going to bother with that (I'm trying to stay away from Microsoft stuff :P)
Post by: AppleXY on November 07, 2007, 10:47:06 am
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 10:55:11 am
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Is the calc gonna be cross-platform?
My one's gonna be online, using AJAX to make it all nice and fast-loading :)
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It'd be online (so you wouldn't need to download anything) and no registration would be required.
Anyways, I've managed to get most of the data from the scaling report (automated via script, not me copying-and-pasting everything, lolz :P). I'll start writing the calculator itself when I have time to :D
Post by: melanie.dee on November 07, 2007, 11:10:27 am
theres already a good one using last years date there, so honestly i wouldnt bother lol
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 11:20:06 am
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http://bryn.humberstone.id.au/computer/index.php
theres already a good one using last years date there, so honestly i wouldnt bother lol
Only Windows though... :P
I'll keep this as a side project, anyways. I've already imported all the data into a database (so all the data is in a useable form), but the actual interface itself needs to be written. It's something I can work on when I'm bored and have some free time :D
Post by: AppleXY on November 07, 2007, 12:11:50 pm
I see you're a talented programmer ;) Good to see.
Post by: rustic_metal on November 07, 2007, 12:27:04 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 12:27:37 pm
That's it so far. Doesn't actually do anything yet, I was just working on the very basics of it :P. It has a list of subjects, and you choose what subjects you're doing. It doesn't actually calculate anything yet :P
Oh, and I think it's screwed in IE at the moment. Use Opera or Firefox instead. =]
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spot on. :D
I see you're a talented programmer ;) Good to see.
Heh, thanks :D
Post by: Galelleo on November 07, 2007, 12:30:30 pm
Post by: rustic_metal on November 07, 2007, 12:33:01 pm
Post by: BenBenMan on November 07, 2007, 12:50:48 pm
If you want to make it really fancy, have a look at the jQuery UI toolkit. It's shiny, and ajaxy! :D
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 01:04:25 pm
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Yours is prettier IMO
Thanks :)
Still can't figure out these stupid Internet Explorer errors :P
Anyone have IE7 installed? Could you see if the "Add Subject" thing works in IE7?
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Looks good, but you should include an option for university enhancement subjects (which will be something between 4 and 5.5, and will be the sixth subject).
Hey, it doesn't even calculate anything yet!
I'll get there... :P
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If you want to make it really fancy, have a look at the jQuery UI toolkit. It's shiny, and ajaxy!
I use mootools ;)
And Functional > Shiny :D
Post by: rustic_metal on November 07, 2007, 01:06:57 pm
Post by: Galelleo on November 07, 2007, 01:13:54 pm
Post by: reg on November 07, 2007, 01:14:20 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 01:54:21 pm
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I ran it on IE... it lets you click add subject but teh subject wont come up down the bottom when you click it.
Blah :P
That's the problem on IE, and I have no idea how to solve it... :?
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Have fun implementing normalcdf imo, neither JS nor Java provide it in their respective core apis haha. GL & have fun :p.
Calculations will be done server-side, and I think there's a PHP library for it... somewhere.
Edit: Actually, I don't think I'll need it. VTAC has a table of aggregate values and the equivalent ENTER :)
Post by: reg on November 07, 2007, 02:03:18 pm
Post by: rustic_metal on November 07, 2007, 02:04:25 pm
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Edit: Actually, I don't think I'll need it. VTAC has a table of aggregate values and the equivalent ENTER :)
so it will be done in blocks of 5? there are calculators which do it for every value.
Post by: melodrama on November 07, 2007, 02:08:28 pm
Post by: reg on November 07, 2007, 02:31:42 pm
I took a look at your code and found the IE error. Really it isn't valid so it shouldn't work in FF either, but you know how browser implementations are :p.
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var el = new Element('div', {id: 'subject_' + subj_id, class: 'subject'});The attribute identifiers `id` and `class` are really instanceof String, so you need to encapsulate them as such (it is after all a key->value string[]?, nfi rly, dont use js much lol):
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var el = new Element('div', {'id': 'subject_' + subj_id, 'class': 'subject'});Here's an amended rafb that works in IE7: http://rafb.net/p/gwt3vB54.html
Good luck :).
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 07:26:04 pm
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Edit: Actually, I don't think I'll need it. VTAC has a table of aggregate values and the equivalent ENTER :)
so it will be done in blocks of 5? there are calculators which do it for every value.
Well, VTAC list the scaled scores as what a 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50 would scale to. I'm going to have to use a method of estimating what the numbers in the middle would be (linearly would probably be easier, so that's what I'm going to do for now).
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it'd be good if you had the ones from previous years to compare.
That's a good idea... I'm going to have to rethink my database schema though
>_<
I'll work on finishing this first, and then amend it somehow.
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The attribute identifiers `id` and `class` are really instanceof String, so you need to encapsulate them as such
Ooh, thanks! That's something I would not have noticed unless you pointed it out!
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(it is after all a key->value string[]?, nfi rly, dont use js much lol):
Yeah, that's right. That's a hash table (associative array, if you like), and quotes normally aren't needed around the keys. However, "class" is a reserved word, and hence needs the quotes around it. Opera and Firefox seem to know how to handle it when it's used improperly like that, but IE just gives up (and its error messages are not helpful at all, the line numbers are completely wrong) :P
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 07, 2007, 07:34:00 pm
Post by: Ahmad on November 07, 2007, 07:58:50 pm
Quote from: "reg"
Have fun implementing normalcdf imo, neither JS nor Java provide it in their respective core apis haha. GL & have fun :p.
You can program in the integral, then approximate it using Simpson's Rule which gives decent accuracy for this sort of application! :)
Post by: melodrama on November 07, 2007, 08:06:44 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 09:11:31 pm
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If you need hosting, let us know - I've got an underused dedicated server in the US.
Heh, I don't need hosting, I've actually got my own dedicated server :D
And yeah, mine's underused as well... My main virtual server (I have multiple VPS systems on it) only hosts 16 sites. And yeah, I get 1500 GB bandwidth per month, and use less than 40 GB of it :P
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 07, 2007, 09:38:25 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on November 07, 2007, 10:14:37 pm
It's not that pretty yet, but should work. I'll work on cleaning it up soon :)
http://entercalc.us.to/
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Yeh, we host around the same amount (~20) and use ~100GB of our allotted 1000TB. Thought I'd just offer ;)
No worries, I do the same thing (offer to host friends and stuff :D)
Post by: Galelleo on November 07, 2007, 10:42:37 pm
Post by: bilgia on November 08, 2007, 05:48:21 am
Post by: reg on November 08, 2007, 07:26:27 am
Post by: asa.hoshi on November 08, 2007, 12:50:54 pm
i.e. you cannot have Mathematical Methods and Mathematical CAS in your top 6 subjects. Or something like... you cannot have 3 maths (further, methods, spesh) in your primary 4.
Post by: Daniel15 on November 08, 2007, 12:58:34 pm
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Nice job: now to integrate it into the FSN site plz :p (easy enough to copy the client and keep usin'' your backend).
Lolz, there isn't really a FSN "site" yet :P
But yeah, if the site's ever up, I guess it could be integrated into the site.... Maybe. I'll keep it separate for now, makes it easier for me while I'm still working on it :)
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does this enter calc include restrictions?
i.e. you cannot have Mathematical Methods and Mathematical CAS in your top 6 subjects. Or something like... you cannot have 3 maths (further, methods, spesh) in your primary 4.
Not yet (mainly because it's only a prototype and not fully finished at the moment, and also I don't know all the restrictions).
What are the full list of restrictions? Is this available somewhere? I didn't know of the three maths one.
Post by: reg on November 08, 2007, 05:02:09 pm
Post by: cara.mel on November 08, 2007, 05:07:22 pm
It is looking rather awesome I must say, great job!!! =D
Post by: Daniel15 on November 08, 2007, 06:31:14 pm
Quote from: "reg"
Also, you need to make sure English Language/Literature are counted as English Requirement, my friend got a 10% contribution for lit on ur calc lol.
Oops :P
Indeed, I count English courses as the English requirement:
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// The English courses.
$ID_ENGLISH = array(12, 13, 14); // English, ESL, Eng. Language.I included English, ESL, and English Language as English courses, but missed Literature :P
Fixed now :D
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It is looking rather awesome I must say, great job!!! =D
Thanks :D
I've still got to clean it up... It's kinda ugly at the moment (I haven't applied any formatting to the results table). Also, I'm trying to think of a better way of entering the subjects in (as scrolling to find them in a long list is not fun). I'm thinking some sort of autocomplete thing where you start typing in the subject, and it finds the closest match. Something line that.;
Post by: rustic_metal on November 08, 2007, 06:38:01 pm
- calculator includes all Englishes as part of the 'english requirement', instead of choosing the best one
- calculator calculated 7 of my subjects to find my aggregate
- calculator included 2 Englishes and 3 other subjects as primary 4
Post by: Collin Li on November 08, 2007, 06:40:15 pm
I got an aggregate of 240.1, 99.95 :D
Post by: rustic_metal on November 08, 2007, 06:42:56 pm
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I had English and 3 other subjects in my top 4, then I added English (ESL) in my subject list (probably a non-allowed subject combination.. or a redundant one anyway), and I ended up with 5 subjects counting 100%.
I got an aggregate of 240.1, 99.95 :D
i had all 3 englishes and got like 280 aggregate
Post by: Eriny on November 08, 2007, 06:45:05 pm
Post by: cara.mel on November 09, 2007, 12:55:25 pm
Aggregate: -56.8
ENTER: Less than 30
Post by: Daniel15 on November 09, 2007, 01:33:29 pm
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problems:
- calculator includes all Englishes as part of the 'english requirement', instead of choosing the best one
- calculator calculated 7 of my subjects to find my aggregate
- calculator included 2 Englishes and 3 other subjects as primary 4
The second and third problems are related to the first one. Basically, when it loops through all the chosen subjects, if it's an English subject, it adds it straight on to the aggregate. Otherwise, it puts it somewhere else for sorting. The problem is I didn't limit it to one English subject, so it's adding all of them to the aggregate. I'll work on fixing this as soon as I can :)
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Also, the UMEP increment would be really nice (it makes a difference, or at least, I hope it does or else I've wasted a year of hard work)
Will do :)
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You can enter negative study scores
Aggregate: -56.8
ENTER: Less than 30
Well, I don't have any validation at the moment (apart from basic data validation - Checking that inputs are numeric), I'm relying on smart end-users :D. Any programmer will tell you this is not a good idea, but I was kinda lazy :P
But yeah, all the problems will be fixed when I have time to fix them =]
Post by: Daniel15 on November 09, 2007, 11:46:25 pm
Quote from: "rustic_metal"
problems:
- calculator includes all Englishes as part of the 'english requirement', instead of choosing the best one
- calculator calculated 7 of my subjects to find my aggregate
Should both be fixed now :)
I'll fix the other reported problems sometime soon.
Oh, and if any programmers are interested in random statistics and/or changelogs: http://entercalc.us.to/svnstats/index.html :D
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 10, 2007, 11:07:01 am
Post by: Daniel15 on November 10, 2007, 11:53:04 am
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Sweet, do you intend on making this open-source?
Maybe one day... To be honest, the code is rather messy at the moment, and I don't release code that's messy :P
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I'm interested in how you derived scaled study scores for those that aren't listed on the Scaling Report (e.g. 33, 27, etc.)
I guess it linearly. Not the best, but works alright for an approximation :)
Here's that bit of the code (at this point, $subject_ids is an array of all the subject IDs chosen, and $scores is an associative array with all the raw study scores):
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// Get the data on the subjects.
$result = mysql_query('
SELECT ID_SUBJECT, name, raw_20, raw_25, raw_30, raw_35, raw_40, raw_45, raw_50
FROM subjects
WHERE ID_SUBJECT IN (' . implode(', ', $subject_ids) . ')') or die('Could not perform query: ' . mysql_error());
// Loop through all subjects.
while ($row = mysql_fetch_assoc($result))
{
$id = $row['ID_SUBJECT'];
$score = $scores[$id];
// Huh?
// !!! Needs more validation here.
if ($score > 50)
$score = 50;
// Scores lower than 20 are treated somewhat differently.
if ($score < 20)
{
$lower = 0;
$upper = 25;
$step = 25;
// Hack? :P
$row['raw_0'] = 0;
}
else
{
// Score rounded down to the nearest 5 (eg. 32 --> 30).
$lower = $score - ($score % 5);
// And rounded up to the nearest 5 (eg. 32 --> 35). But don't exceed 50.
$upper = ($lower + 5) > 50 ? 50 : $lower + 5;
// "Step" (probably better called "run", or x2 - x1)
$step = 5;
}
// Gradient of the line connecting points (lower, lower_scaled) and (upper, upper_scaled).
$gradient = (($row['raw_' . $upper] - $row['raw_' . $lower]) / $step);
// Difference between "lower" score and the actual score.
$inc = ($score - $lower);
// Estimate the scaled score by getting the "lower" scaled score and adding
// the gradient times the difference to it. Imagine this as a linear graph
// with $gradient as the gradient, and the "lower" score as the Y-intercept.
$scaled_score = $row['raw_' . $lower] + ($gradient * $inc);
Edit: I use tabs for indentation. Why'd phpBB have to be screwy and replace them with spaces? I hate you too, phpBB! :evil:
Post by: Daniel15 on November 10, 2007, 10:46:42 pm
Post by: kingmar on November 10, 2007, 11:09:02 pm
I note that if you only select three subjects, it will still count the Extension Study increment (you need four I believe).
Also, you can still input negative study and point study scores. (although point scores don't do anything).
I have lobbied VTAC for an exact scaling report before to have it rejected - if we petition them, do you think they'll relent?
Post by: reg on November 11, 2007, 08:15:46 am
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I note that if you only select three subjects,English + 3.
Also, I'm fairly sure that VCAA doesn't want people to be able to reproduce their calculations exactly, be it to prevent abuse or hide design flaws :p.
Post by: cara.mel on November 11, 2007, 09:33:44 am
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 209.8
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 209.9
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 210
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 210.1
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 210.2
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 210.3
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 210.4
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 210.5
ENTER: Less than 30
I tried putting my subjects in a different order, and then using completely different subjects, and then trying in IE and it still happens
(and no I don't think I'll get that high, I was just playing with english and spesh being near 50 xD)
Post by: Collin Li on November 11, 2007, 10:30:17 am
Quote from: "reg"
QuoteI note that if you only select three subjects,English + 3.
Also, I'm fairly sure that VCAA doesn't want people to be able to reproduce their calculations exactly, be it to prevent abuse or hide design flaws :p.
Maybe, but I think they should be completely transparent about how the system works. It will catalyse the process for change to a fairer system.
If they're trying to hide some "abuse," they should correct it. Ultimately the best scores should be received by merit, not by knowing how the system works.
Post by: Daniel15 on November 11, 2007, 11:13:33 am
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Aggregate: 209.7
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 209.8
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 209.9
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 210
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 210.1
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 210.2
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 210.3
ENTER: Less than 30
Aggregate: 210.4
ENTER: 99.90
Aggregate: 210.5
ENTER: Less than 30
I tried putting my subjects in a different order, and then using completely different subjects, and then trying in IE and it still happens
(and no I don't think I'll get that high, I was just playing with english and spesh being near 50 xD)
Oops
I was wondering what would cause a problem like that... Seems like those values were missing from VTAC's Aggregate to ENTER table. Since the aggregate was not on the table, when the calculator goes to look up the value, it ends up being set to 0. :lol: :lol: :lol:.
I'll fix that soon, I'll just insert those three values into my database manually. This problem will only occur for those exact three aggregate values (and, any other values that VTAC left off their chart :P)
Post by: kingmar on November 11, 2007, 11:34:48 am
I actually mean if you choose three subjects the Extension study is counted.
I.e. choose like methods, Bosnian and Chinese.
The Extension Study increment is still counted even though you didn't choose an English requirement.
Post by: Daniel15 on November 11, 2007, 11:39:11 am
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No no.
I actually mean if you choose three subjects the Extension study is counted.
I.e. choose like methods, Bosnian and Chinese.
The Extension Study increment is still counted even though you didn't choose an English requirement.
My reply above was in response to cara.mel's post :)
And yeah, that's a bug. If you choose three subjects but don't choose an English subject (English, ESL, Literature, Language) it will still count the increment even though it shouldn't. I'll work on fixing that. Although, without an English, the ENTER won't be accurate anyways :P
Post by: kingmar on November 11, 2007, 11:42:23 am
But you're right. The use of this calculator requires someone to not screw around and try to rig it so they get invalid or stupid values.
Otherwise, for our purposes, it works a treat. Good job.
Post by: Daniel15 on November 11, 2007, 04:31:08 pm
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But you're right. The use of this calculator requires someone to not screw around and try to rig it so they get invalid or stupid values.
Yeah, I need to add more validation (ie. not allow negative values).
And I just noticed now...
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QuoteI'm interested in how you derived scaled study scores for those that aren't listed on the Scaling Report (e.g. 33, 27, etc.)
I guess it linearly. Not the best, but works alright for an approximation :)
I was coming up with this as I went along, and just realised that this is that linear approximation thing from Methods [f(x+h) = f(x) + hf'(x)]
Lolz, I'm slow :lol:
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$scaled_score = $row['raw_' . $lower] + ($gradient * $inc);
Post by: elaine on November 13, 2007, 03:44:44 pm
gives me a rough idea of what i need in each subject
Post by: costargh on November 15, 2007, 04:14:11 pm
There are many calculators around
A strength of this one I believe is that it is accessable directly through a site. I have one that is a program which i had to download and unzip to get it to work. Its very good thou. I think its from 2 years ago thou or last year cant remember
Post by: Daniel15 on November 15, 2007, 05:32:46 pm
Quote from: "costargh"
^^^^
There are many calculators around
A strength of this one I believe is that it is accessable directly through a site. I have one that is a program which i had to download and unzip to get it to work. Its very good thou. I think its from 2 years ago thou or last year cant remember
Can you post the URL of it here? I'd like to try and get some ideas from it :)
Post by: costargh on November 15, 2007, 10:13:45 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on November 17, 2007, 11:19:57 pm
Any suggestions?
Post by: maxleng on November 18, 2007, 12:16:26 am
Post by: Ahmad on November 18, 2007, 06:16:28 am
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 21, 2007, 11:32:14 am
Post by: Daniel15 on November 21, 2007, 11:55:16 am
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this one i have is like a spreadsheet with all the subjects and you put in your SS raw and then it displays the scaled next to it, very good layout
Are you able to send that to me?
Whilst that layout is good for a spreadsheet, it's not too practical for a website. ;)
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Information Systems should be renamed Information Technology: Software Development and Information Processing and Management should be renamed Information Technology: Applications. Funnily enough, and perhaps the reason for this error, the scaling report still refers to them by their old names (or was the new names introduced this year?).
Yeah, the names were changed this year (I did Information Systems last year)
And yeah, my data was from last year's scaling report, which is why they're referred to by the old names.
Post by: Rietie on December 18, 2007, 08:52:31 pm
Post by: Collin Li on December 18, 2007, 08:56:00 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on December 19, 2007, 06:14:07 pm
Can you post when you will change the scaling in the program, to bring into effect the scaling from the 2007 Scaling report? (after it comes out of course :) )I'll try to update it as soon as possible.
The best thing to do is the query people what their scaled scores were for particular raw scores. The scaling report rounds off to the nearest integer, so it can be off by up toThe scaling report is alright for this though, I think. We don't need something perfectly exact :)points.
Post by: /0 on December 20, 2007, 03:41:02 am
Post by: Mao on December 20, 2007, 09:29:34 am
i dnt think ur extension study counts when u have 6+ VCE subjects, like me.... (awaiting clarification)
FUCK YOU VCAA~~
Post by: /0 on December 20, 2007, 10:03:00 am
Obsolete Chaos depending on how your extension studies go it could well be your 5th or 6th preference.
and yeah i'm '09... lol, perhaps I should wait and come back in a year or so? :P
Post by: Mao on December 20, 2007, 10:55:20 am
and really? for extension :O monash told me it dont, ppl clarify pleaseee?
my hate message to VCAA still stands tho...
LOL
Post by: Collin Li on December 20, 2007, 11:24:47 am
lol nah, i discovered this site just after the CAS exams... :( i reckon i'd have more motivation if i found here earlier.
and really? for extension :O monash told me it dont, ppl clarify pleaseee?
my hate message to VCAA still stands tho...
LOL
Extension studies require that you do at least 5 subjects. If you have only done 4, the UMEP will not be included because it must take the "sixth subject" and there is no 5th subject to bridge it. That is an incredibly stupid technicality, IMO.
I'm pretty sure Extension Studies will take the 6th place, unless there is a better candidate (e.g: you got 4.0 in UMEP, but you have a 4.5 that you haven't used in top 4 or 5th subject yet)
Post by: Eriny on December 20, 2007, 06:31:07 pm
Post by: bilgia on December 21, 2007, 08:57:39 am
Post by: melanie.dee on December 21, 2007, 02:36:48 pm
Post by: Pencil on December 21, 2007, 03:09:02 pm
aggregate:201.2
enter:less than 30
:(
but the aggregate was fairly accurate, my real aggregate was 201.9
Post by: phagist_ on December 21, 2007, 03:45:00 pm
Aggregate: 187.9
ENTER: 98.30
When really I got
Aggregate: 188.0
ENTER: 98.20
Pretty damn close.
Post by: ninwa on December 21, 2007, 07:35:34 pm
Post by: cara.mel on December 21, 2007, 09:02:58 pm
Even though it's using last year's scaling for 5/7 of them, the ones that went up canceled the one that went down and it gave me the right aggregate :P
Post by: Pencil on December 21, 2007, 10:53:24 pm
*looking at you daniel15*
Post by: Daniel15 on December 21, 2007, 11:53:47 pm
I'll update the data with the latest scaling report soon.
Ok I put mine in, and it said -Gah, that's a bug I think:P
aggregate:201.2
enter:less than 30
:(
but the aggregate was fairly accurate, my real aggregate was 201.9
Basically, I grabbed all the values on the aggregate to ENTER chart, put them into a database table, and then look up the aggregate in it. There seems to be some values missing, and I guess that's one of them (only some values are missing, so an aggregate of 201.8 or 202.0 would have given the correct results :P). I need to look for what's missing and insert them into the database :P
Hopefully, this year's aggregate to ENTER table is more complete :knuppel2:
Otherwise, I should probably have a better fix, detect any missing values or something.
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actually even an extra point .05 instead of my stupid .95 ending enter gaaaarMine was probably the worst possible - The clearly-in ENTER for Computer Science at Melbourne Uni is 85, and they don't let anyone do the course if they got an ENTER lower than that. I got 84.95.
That's not so bad; I hear the course at Swinburne is better (and their English score requirement is 20, as opposed to 25 at Melbourne Uni). But I swear, Melbourne Uni want to tease me. To get to Swinburne from here, I need to catch a tram to Flinders Street Station and then a train to wherever Swinburne is. The tram goes past Melbourne Uni along the way, so I'll be seeing it every time I go to Uni. :P
Post by: Andy on December 22, 2007, 01:30:41 pm
Post by: Eriny on December 22, 2007, 02:01:03 pm
Post by: pariah on December 22, 2007, 02:55:12 pm
They have released the 2007 scaling report, there's a link around the forum somewhere...For easier reference (instead of arbitrary searching the forums): this year's Scaling report is at: http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf
the aggregate to ENTER tables for this year are here: http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ENTER.pdf
Post by: elaine on December 22, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Post by: Eriny on December 22, 2007, 03:56:40 pm
Post by: excal on December 22, 2007, 07:56:33 pm
(and subject names in case of IT)?
Post by: Daniel15 on December 22, 2007, 11:28:06 pm
I'll update the data with the latest scaling report soon.
Post by: Eriny on December 27, 2007, 12:10:22 pm
Post by: excal on December 28, 2007, 04:10:52 am
Get on it Daniel15 ;)
Post by: Mao on December 28, 2007, 02:00:34 pm
Doesn't sound too hard to implement...just set up another database with a variable in the SQL query :)*mao hids from SQL... = evil*
Get on it Daniel15 ;)
LOL
haha
i just predicted my score with a fair modesty... :D it's soooo close to 99!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D *=New Year Resolution*
Post by: Daniel15 on December 29, 2007, 06:37:53 pm
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I had a suggestion. I guess it would make your ENTER calculator similar to the one on *that site* but I was thinking that when you update the data, you could still calculate 2006 aggregates/ENTER as well as the 2007 one and then show an average of bothI was thinking about that, but I'd need to edit the database schema a little to support it.
Post by: joshuamorgan on December 29, 2007, 10:56:09 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on December 30, 2007, 02:11:20 pm
Post by: excal on January 20, 2008, 12:39:53 am
Post by: Daniel15 on January 21, 2008, 11:03:03 pm
Post by: kido_1 on January 22, 2008, 02:13:03 pm
Post by: costargh on January 22, 2008, 02:17:23 pm
Post by: SilverBullet on January 23, 2008, 12:22:51 am
I actually like Daniel's ENTER CALC. Though it is 'slightly' unaccurate.You can hardly expect it to be accurate. He work's with the previous years data.
Post by: gfb on February 26, 2008, 10:48:59 am
Post by: iamdan08 on February 28, 2008, 06:23:07 pm
:D Yeh it's a bit inaccurate ( compared to this years )
Who cares if its a bit innacrate. It gives you a good idea anyway! I reckon its the best ENTER calc i've seen on the net!
Post by: avogarbro on March 27, 2008, 10:41:51 pm
Post by: watevr91 on June 27, 2008, 12:36:03 pm
Post by: ell on June 27, 2008, 04:01:34 pm
can someone please update the entercalc program to the 2007 scaling report? so its a little more accurate for the current year 12s.. thanks
OK, updated to use 2007 data now :)
Post by: Daniel15 on July 21, 2008, 12:15:00 am
can someone please update the entercalc program to the 2007 scaling report? so its a little more accurate for the current year 12s.. thanksSorry, it is up to date, just I need to update the page to say it's using the 2007 report :P
Post by: costargh on July 21, 2008, 12:46:26 am
Where you been?
Will the enter calc be getting a facelift? I've seen your myspace looks snazzy. How about a nice user interface for the calculator :D
Post by: Daniel15 on July 21, 2008, 12:51:44 am
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Havent seen you posting here for AGESHaha, yeah, I never got around to posting here. :P
I might give it a facelift, but I'm not really a designer. Maybe I'll get around to it one day :P
My myspace was just something I did when I was bored, and I slowly do little tweaks to it every so often :P
Post by: scoob on September 09, 2008, 03:11:25 pm
i used the ENTER calculator and in the 'primary 4'..
- english
- music solo
- music styles
- music group
they will be my best subjects but i'm wondering if anyone knows if this is even a possible 'primary 4'..
for some reason i was under the idea that you cannot have 3 music subjects in the primary 4...
anyone know if this is possible???
thanks, scoob
Post by: Mao on September 15, 2008, 12:29:21 pm
Post by: cara.mel on September 15, 2008, 12:48:00 pm
The enter calculator works as long as you input the right info into it (you can put negative study scores etc)
Post by: AppleThief on September 15, 2008, 03:33:57 pm
i don't think you can have 3 subjects from the same "field" in the primary 4, 2 is max[citation needed]It's true (though I don't have a source). You can only have two Englishes, two musics, two mathses, etc, I'm almost certain.
Post by: NE2000 on September 15, 2008, 05:49:17 pm
Post by: areebus on September 23, 2008, 09:16:18 pm
What can i do Or
Where can i find another
Post by: Mao on September 24, 2008, 09:31:16 am
Your javascript might be out of date, install a new version of java or update your current browser
entercalc.us.to definitely works...
Post by: CarSI on October 16, 2008, 05:44:38 pm
can someone please update the entercalc program to the 2007 scaling report? so its a little more accurate for the current year 12s.. thanksSorry, it is up to date, just I need to update the page to say it's using the 2007 report :P
hey daniel i like your attitue dude,
your not liek the rest of smart know it all kids ppl here,
for some reason every1 is really smart, yet we live in a shit hole country/
hmm very interesting.
though its not a shame to publish your score even if you get 80s or 70s.
like the rest of ppl who here are all 99+?? like wtf with that.
my first time on thsi forum.
Post by: costargh on October 16, 2008, 05:48:31 pm
hey daniel i like your attitue dude,
your not liek the rest of smart know it all kids ppl here,
for some reason every1 is really smart, yet we live in a shit hole country/
hmm very interesting.
though its not a shame to publish your score even if you get 80s or 70s.
like the rest of ppl who here are all 99+?? like wtf with that.
my first time on thsi forum.
Just because I'm better than you, doesn't mean that I am condescending...
LOL JUST KIDDING!!! Welcome to VCENotes :)
Post by: Tauk on October 25, 2008, 04:47:43 pm
There's already one that's been made, using last years data. Of course, I haven't saved the link to it but I've seen it around a lot.
The excel one doesn't work in openoffice for me either ;( I really need to get around to buying microsoft office x_x (although I like the word processor more than microsoft word I have decided)
cough* yes, buy Microsoft office.
Post by: pinchies on October 26, 2008, 09:53:33 pm
Post by: cobby on October 26, 2008, 10:13:29 pm
Is the site still here? I've used it a couple of times recently, but today entercalc.to.us doesn't load anything for me?
Im having the same problem??
Post by: cara.mel on October 26, 2008, 10:21:26 pm
(go study for english :P:P)
Post by: Damo17 on October 26, 2008, 10:36:26 pm
Post by: cobby on October 26, 2008, 10:37:20 pm
It works now
SPLENDID! :D....back to procrastination for me :D
Post by: Flaming_Arrow on October 26, 2008, 10:43:30 pm
Is the site still here? I've used it a couple of times recently, but today entercalc.to.us doesn't load anything for me?
its entercalc.us.to
Post by: ell on October 26, 2008, 11:34:08 pm
Post by: pinchies on October 27, 2008, 08:52:40 am
Post by: bingbinglanglang on October 27, 2008, 12:04:15 pm
Post by: cara.mel on October 27, 2008, 12:54:03 pm
Post by: bingbinglanglang on October 27, 2008, 04:14:57 pm
Post by: cara.mel on October 27, 2008, 06:00:14 pm
usually A+ is top 10%
Therefore with 2 As that aren't really really close to A+ you won't make it.
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on October 27, 2008, 08:35:21 pm
Post by: psychlaw on October 27, 2008, 08:40:04 pm
How smart are the top 9% of the state, though? What if the highest exam score for that subject was only an A?thats not possible because the exam marks are standardized to that years intelligence... IE - If the physics exam was out of 90 and the states highest was only say... 60+
Then 60 - 90 would be made the A+ range
Post by: costargh on October 27, 2008, 08:43:03 pm
ENTER: 90.30 ( I'd still be happy as with this, but not what I predicted mid year lol)
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j117/sxy_grk_star/enter23.jpg)
I HATE YOU ENGLISH!!! (specifically context. If they replaced context with a POV, but not the sort of persuasive for context, but a REAL POV I'd have less hatred for English!!!
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on October 27, 2008, 09:02:37 pm
Post by: ReVeL on October 27, 2008, 09:04:16 pm
Post by: ReVeL on October 27, 2008, 09:07:59 pm
How smart are the top 9% of the state, though? What if the highest exam score for that subject was only an A?thats not possible because the exam marks are standardized to that years intelligence... IE - If the physics exam was out of 90 and the states highest was only say... 60+
Then 60 - 90 would be made the A+ range
Doesn't necassarily reflect intelligence - more performance.
For example, one year the exam might be really hard and scores are accordingly lower. Doesn't make that year less intelligent.
Post by: cobby on October 28, 2008, 07:29:12 pm
If costa gets 36 in eco I'll be lucky to scrape a 20.
I agree, costas a gun :D...easilly over 38 :D
Go costargh
Post by: AppleXY on October 28, 2008, 07:41:25 pm
You have the skills man. Have some confidence in yourself :)
Post by: costargh on October 28, 2008, 07:44:46 pm
Bloody eco and its scariness!
BTW: I don't see what's good about me and I don't know what I've said or done that would give you the impession that I would get 45+ in economics. Fairly unsubstantiated!
Applexy and Marbs for the 40+'s imo
Post by: AppleXY on October 28, 2008, 08:23:45 pm
But lecturers scare with by informing me of everything I don't know! Lol.
Bloody eco and its scariness!
BTW: I don't see what's good about me and I don't know what I've said or done that would give you the impession that I would get 45+ in economics. Fairly unsubstantiated!
Applexy and Marbs for the 40+'s imo
Pfft. You won that PWC medal, only the cream of the best get those rewards :)
And you consistently score 100% on MC :)
Post by: costargh on October 28, 2008, 08:35:07 pm
Post by: Athomas on November 15, 2008, 11:18:04 am
Best Possible ENTER - 92.60 ( LOL mad as, I barely changed anything from the SS)
Likely ENTER- 88.80
Now I feel much better about Dec 15th (even if these numbers look low to all of you ;))
Post by: NE2000 on December 18, 2008, 10:15:44 am
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 18, 2008, 12:50:52 pm
Is this going to be updated for the new scaling report and ENTER-aggregate table??
I hope so. The scaling last year was better than this year; it kind of gave us a sense that out ENTERs would be better than they really were. :S
Post by: Mao on December 21, 2008, 02:10:28 am
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 21, 2008, 09:18:54 am
how were spesh markup and methods cas markup almost the same. it makes me sick :p
My 26 went to 34 in spec, and my 30 went up to 35 in Methods... Grrr, they were too similar. :S
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 21, 2008, 11:09:16 am
how were spesh markup and methods cas markup almost the same. it makes me sick :p
My 26 went to 34 in spec, and my 30 went up to 35 in Methods... Grrr, they were too similar. :S
i think cas would have gone up to 36 point something which is even more horrifying.
That's annoying... Scaling was like, almost identical then. :(
Post by: Mao on December 21, 2008, 02:51:11 pm
but WTH methods.... 30 used to go up to 37
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 21, 2008, 08:29:28 pm
what, no way. 8 and 5 are very different.
but WTH methods.... 30 used to go up to 37
Normal methods? Grrrrrrrrr... Damn, mine went to 35 or something :S
Post by: kurrymuncher on January 17, 2009, 01:50:09 pm
[IMG]http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7498/boratsuccess2am0.jpg[/img]
Post by: shonakennedy on January 17, 2009, 01:57:38 pm
this calculator made me feel like i could achieve what i needed, even though what it predicted for me was 10 enter points less than what i actually got. which in itself was an amazing feeling.
Post by: Daniel15 on January 19, 2009, 07:55:52 pm
Was probably during a period where I was doing server updatesIs the site still here? I've used it a couple of times recently, but today entercalc.to.us doesn't load anything for me?
Im having the same problem??
Soooon, hopefully. :)Is this going to be updated for the new scaling report and ENTER-aggregate table??
I hope so. The scaling last year was better than this year; it kind of gave us a sense that out ENTERs would be better than they really were. :S
Post by: hard on January 19, 2009, 08:17:51 pm
enter calc doesn't work
daniel fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Daniel15 on January 19, 2009, 08:24:05 pm
It's fixed now, with 2008 data ;D
Post by: hard on January 19, 2009, 08:25:41 pm
I was updating the database :Pohhhhhhhhhhh sik kunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnt
It's fixed now, with 2008 data ;D
Post by: dior1 on January 19, 2009, 08:27:31 pm
edit:
ENTER: 71.50
Guess I better boost those s/s up a little higher, spesh for maths and english
Post by: mypurpleundercracka on January 20, 2009, 11:45:47 am
Post by: Eriny on January 20, 2009, 12:24:00 pm
Post by: dior1 on January 20, 2009, 12:26:08 pm
aww...as of 2008 my LOTE gets scaled downI can't believe Croatian gets marked down!!
Post by: mypurpleundercracka on January 20, 2009, 12:33:42 pm
aww...as of 2008 my LOTE gets scaled downI can't believe Croatian gets marked down!!
it used to get marked up right until 2007, now it goes down by half a mark or so
Post by: dior1 on January 20, 2009, 12:43:41 pm
Post by: hard on January 20, 2009, 12:50:09 pm
arabic gets marked down also.aww...as of 2008 my LOTE gets scaled downI can't believe Croatian gets marked down!!
it used to get marked up right until 2007, now it goes down by half a mark or so
Post by: mypurpleundercracka on January 20, 2009, 12:59:50 pm
arabic gets marked down also.aww...as of 2008 my LOTE gets scaled downI can't believe Croatian gets marked down!!
it used to get marked up right until 2007, now it goes down by half a mark or so
Yeah I know it isnt fair really, how some LOTE's get scaled significantly higher and some get scaled down. Hebrew goes up by 11 and Germany by 10, its ridiculous
Post by: hard on January 20, 2009, 01:08:59 pm
mmm pretty unfair indeed.arabic gets marked down also.aww...as of 2008 my LOTE gets scaled downI can't believe Croatian gets marked down!!
it used to get marked up right until 2007, now it goes down by half a mark or so
Yeah I know it isnt fair really, how some LOTE's get scaled significantly higher and some get scaled down. Hebrew goes up by 11 and Germany by 10, its ridiculous
Post by: nerd on January 21, 2009, 12:31:43 am
Post by: dior1 on January 21, 2009, 06:43:20 pm
Post by: nerd on January 22, 2009, 10:16:05 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on February 18, 2009, 09:21:59 pm
There is two IT Applications?!Ugh, something stupid happened while importing the new data. I'll try to fix that soon (and no, I have no clue which is the proper one... I'll have to check. :P)
Post by: NE2000 on March 09, 2009, 03:09:16 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on March 14, 2009, 10:00:58 am
Post by: NE2000 on March 14, 2009, 01:26:22 pm
Post by: kurrymuncher on May 12, 2009, 04:38:38 pm
Post by: cns1511 on May 12, 2009, 04:43:24 pm
I want to have your babies Daniel15 :smitten:
Post by: Mao on May 12, 2009, 08:19:13 pm
LOOKS GOOD MAN. :)
Post by: methodsboy on May 31, 2009, 02:04:24 pm
Post by: doboman on May 31, 2009, 02:25:48 pm
Post by: cobby on May 31, 2009, 03:48:51 pm
It says something like Bandwidth exceeded..so if you got that, then it's not just you :)
I got the same message when i tried to get on
Post by: Daniel15 on June 03, 2009, 10:38:58 pm
wow, I had no idea the layout for the enter calc was changed. Is this recent or am I just really slow?Yeah, I changed it a while ago. I used that layout for http://syte.cc/ and decided to reuse it on some of my sites that have/had plain layouts (http://obviousspoilers.com/ uses it too). :P
Sorry about that error. The ENTER calculator had a bandwidth limit of 1 GB per month for some reason (someone else on the server reduced the limit, I think ::)). I'll increase it to something higher :P
Post by: BiG DaN on June 05, 2009, 07:58:45 pm
Post by: bklack on August 17, 2009, 12:19:50 pm
Post by: derivativex on October 04, 2009, 08:29:41 pm
Post by: TrueTears on October 04, 2009, 08:30:22 pm
Is the number it spits out before or after scaling?Should have both =)
Post by: derivativex on October 04, 2009, 08:39:05 pm
Thanks though
Post by: luce09 on October 16, 2009, 11:42:44 pm
is there a calculator for that?
Post by: shinny on October 16, 2009, 11:46:50 pm
heey im really interested in finding out what study score im capable of getting for each suject
is there a calculator for that?
It was just on the link below this one =\
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,6688.msg80868.html#msg80868
Post by: rafa on December 31, 2009, 04:35:32 pm
Mathematics: Further Mathematics; Mathematical Methods (CAS); Specialist Mathematics
English: English; Literature; English Language
Music: Music Styles; Music Performance - Group; Music Performance - Solo; VET Music Industry Skills
VET: Only two VET courses may be counted.
When calculating 3 of the math subjects using this calculator, 3 of them count as the top 4 but this is not correct as only 2 can only count in the top 4 and the rest are counted as 10%.
Can u please fix this problem?
Post by: Daniel15 on June 06, 2010, 07:57:45 pm
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When calculating 3 of the math subjects using this calculator, 3 of them count as the top 4 but this is not correct as only 2 can only count in the top 4 and the rest are counted as 10%.I'll eventually fix that :)
Can u please fix this problem?
Post by: Gloamglozer on June 06, 2010, 09:27:09 pm
Updated the calculator today - Now, instead of just 2009 data, it shows data from 2007, 2008 and 2009. :)QuoteWhen calculating 3 of the math subjects using this calculator, 3 of them count as the top 4 but this is not correct as only 2 can only count in the top 4 and the rest are counted as 10%.I'll eventually fix that :)
Can u please fix this problem?
Is it just me or is anyone else getting this error on Firefox when they try to access the ATAR calculator:
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The page isn't redirecting properly
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Post by: Blakhitman on June 06, 2010, 09:58:10 pm
Post by: chopz on June 07, 2010, 11:40:40 am
Post by: Daniel15 on June 07, 2010, 08:38:29 pm
Is it just me or is anyone else getting this error on Firefox when they try to access the ATAR calculator:Very odd... I did a pretty big change (moved the site to a new domain) but it should be working fine now, and is working fine for me, too. Try clearing your DNS cache (on Windows, Start -> Run -> cmd -> ipconfig /flushdns) and try again.QuoteThe page isn't redirecting properly
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Post by: Blakhitman on June 07, 2010, 08:42:51 pm
Post by: Gloamglozer on June 08, 2010, 02:54:32 pm
Is it just me or is anyone else getting this error on Firefox when they try to access the ATAR calculator:Very odd... I did a pretty big change (moved the site to a new domain) but it should be working fine now, and is working fine for me, too. Try clearing your DNS cache (on Windows, Start -> Run -> cmd -> ipconfig /flushdns) and try again.QuoteThe page isn't redirecting properly
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Yeah, it's working now. Didn't need to clear anything but thanks for the suggestion anyway. I think it might have just been a one off thing.
Post by: chansthename on June 19, 2010, 06:14:09 pm
I really like the 3 years of data you put in and it is a great calc
Post by: tram on June 19, 2010, 08:06:10 pm
Post by: lorcan_raven on July 11, 2010, 04:01:07 pm
i'm very new to this, so i'm just going to throw it out there and see how it goes.
since the start of this year (year 12) my whole perception of my vce subjects and their predicted scores has been turned on it's head - i'm really unsure how i'm faring with most of my subjects, and want to know how i would go with certain assumed scores/grades? what study scores would i be looking at with these marks?
ENGLISH
- All 4 Sacs so far 100%
- Exam (A+)
JAPANESE (SL)
- Sac Marks (A, B+, B)
- Exam (B?)
METHODS (CAS)
- Sac Marks (C+, D+)
- Exam I (B)
- Exam II (B+)
FURTHER MATHS
- Sac Marks (A+, C+, A+)
- Exam I (A+)
- Exam II (A+)
THEATRE STUDIES
- Sac Marks (A+, A+, A+)
- Monologue (A)
- Exam (A)
PSYCHOLOGY
(last year = 36)
Any responses much appreciated! I have high hopes for VCE, but not sure (in terms of courses and such) was it a realistic idea for study scores that would add to my ENTER/ATAR!
THANKYOU! :D
Post by: zarikop on August 05, 2010, 08:30:30 pm
To the guy who made http://atarcalc.com/
umm dude you skipped Armenian as a subject :-\
Post by: Daniel15 on September 24, 2010, 01:17:34 pm
big improvements since I last used it. It is fast and very easy to use (no scrolling like in many other calcs).
I really like the 3 years of data you put in and it is a great calc
Thanks for the feedback :)
Hey.Some subjects don't have many students doing them, so there's no scaling data available for them. Perhaps I should add those subjects but don't scale them (so show the raw score for the scaled score)?
To the guy who made http://atarcalc.com/
umm dude you skipped Armenian as a subject :-\
Post by: letsride on September 24, 2010, 01:24:24 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on September 24, 2010, 02:17:27 pm
Post by: you0006 on October 08, 2010, 12:32:14 am
Although, I was speaking to my teachers, and apparently you can't have all three maths subjects in your top four (for some unbeknownst reason). Is it possible to make the calculator capable of only putting the two largest maths study scores in the top 4 and relegating the worst one to a fifth or sixth subject (even if it's your fourth highest subject)?
Post by: soof on October 12, 2010, 05:21:34 pm
BIOLOGY? Would it be below 20?
D+EXAM 1
D+EXAM 2
SAC score: A
Please let me know.
Post by: werdna on October 12, 2010, 05:52:18 pm
I'd say a 20.
Post by: jinny1 on October 26, 2010, 10:24:59 pm
i shud get at least 42 in psych
Post by: Phenotype on November 01, 2010, 07:11:57 pm
Post by: rafito. on November 05, 2010, 12:21:15 pm
Biology-
Sacs- Around B's mostly
Mid year exam- D
End of Year- I hope around a C+ or B
Psychology-
Sacs- B
Mid Year- B
End of year- B ( maybe an A)
Literature-
Sacs- Around C's
End of Year- Probably around a D.
Busniess Management-
Sacs- Some A's and some D's. Was all over the place.
End of Year- B
Further Maths-
Sacs- D
End of year- C
Post by: natalie.C on November 08, 2010, 08:56:23 pm
my raw study score so far is
revolutions: D+,C+,C+,B+
studio arts: B+
english:B+,C+,D+,D+
media: A,A,A+,C+
sociology: A,B,A
i was wondering what raw study score all of those sac marks put togther add up to? and what scores i need to get in my exams for each of them to bring my total entercore up to 75.00 atleast!
Post by: Daniel15 on December 27, 2010, 10:56:09 am
Post by: Romperait on December 27, 2010, 10:59:37 am
I'm updating the ATAR calculator to have the latest (2010) scaling data! Should be live on the website soon :)
Sweet! Thank you very much. =D
Post by: happyhappyland on December 27, 2010, 02:10:40 pm
edit: the new data seems to be wrong... I get 97.7 with my study scores I dont think you have updated the scaling yet.
Post by: bomb on December 27, 2010, 02:48:56 pm
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Post by: Slumdawg on December 27, 2010, 04:36:14 pm
ATAR calc = the best.
Post by: Daniel15 on December 27, 2010, 09:57:10 pm
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edit: the new data seems to be wrong... I get 97.7 with my study scores I dont think you have updated the scaling yet.How wrong is it? The scaling report only lists the study scores in increments of 5, so it's just an estimate. The aggregate to ATAR calculation should be correct, though (VTAC release full data for it)
Here's the data I use:
Scaling report: http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf
Aggregate to ATAR: http://vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ATAR.pdf
Post by: happyhappyland on December 27, 2010, 10:18:42 pm
Quoteedit: the new data seems to be wrong... I get 97.7 with my study scores I dont think you have updated the scaling yet.How wrong is it? The scaling report only lists the study scores in increments of 5, so it's just an estimate. The aggregate to ATAR calculation should be correct, though (VTAC release full data for it)
Here's the data I use:
Scaling report: http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf
Aggregate to ATAR: http://vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ATAR.pdf
Hmm yeh I was comparing the site to my actual scaled scores...
Bio 46 site: 46.8 actual 46.94
Chem 42 site: 45.6 actual 45.88
Methods 37 site: 42.6 actual 42. 92
English 41 site 40.2 actual 40.59
All my subjects were scaled a bit more in my actual one. It doesnt really matter anyway its good enough for those in 2011!
Post by: iNerd on April 16, 2011, 11:41:29 am
"VET: Block Credit Recognition" such as Allied Health.
This means there is no Study Score and the technical input you'll have to put into the calculator is an average of the primary 4 scaled and then divide that by 4 and then by 10 (10%) as it's an increment.
For further clarification: a person inputs 40 raw, 45 raw, 45 raw, 45 raw.
The scaled scores will be (hypothetically) 45,50,50,50 and that is a total aggregate of 195. Average is 48.75. 10% of that is 4.875.
Is that possible? Atm I can't calculate a predicted ATAR, that's all.
Oh and also Uni Enhancemnt increments are stopping from 2012 and turning into what I just said (avg of primary 4 scared) so you might want to get rid of the increment function at the end of this year. Instead of saying VET: Block Credit Recognition you could just say "Alternate subject" to include both VET and Uni as that's calculated the same way...
Is that too confusing? ???
Post by: m@tty on April 16, 2011, 12:43:56 pm
average of the primary 4 scaled and then divide that by 4 and then by 10 (10%) as it's an increment.
If you take an average you won't need to divide by 4 :P
But yeah, this could be done..
You can just manually add it to your aggregate and then look up the aggregate table.
Post by: iNerd on April 16, 2011, 12:45:20 pm
Who can be bothered though...lazy :buck2:
Post by: andy456 on April 16, 2011, 01:50:23 pm
It feels good when you get higher than what you predicted
Post by: Halil on April 25, 2011, 07:35:51 pm
Would be good if it can be fixed please
Post by: baijid.a on May 31, 2011, 05:49:27 pm
Their is already a good Atar calculator on the net, but if you are bored at home, than it wouldn't hurt to do another one? :coolsmiley:
Post by: pi on June 04, 2011, 03:05:58 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on August 29, 2011, 09:47:46 pm
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I dont know if any of you already pointed it out, but the atar calculator as an error. According to Vcaa, you can only have two mathematics subjects in your top 4. The atar calculator makes it possible to include 3 maths subjects in your top 4. For me it puts english, Methods, Specialist and then Further, leaving Turkish and Physics last.Yeah there's still some issues I haven't had time to fix. I'm considering making it open-source so other people can fix the various problems at times when I don't have the time to. :)
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lol, just found out this calc is made by a guy from VN (former admin?). NICE!Yeah. I've had people come up to me in real life and ask me if I was the guy that made the ATAR calculator. O.o
Post by: b^3 on August 29, 2011, 09:52:31 pm
Post by: barg6785 on September 20, 2011, 08:15:30 pm
just wondering, if my all year SAC average for methods is 72, is that bad if i want to get a raw score of 35? I obviously haven't done the exam yet, but what grade would i need to get in the high 30's range??
Thanks :)
Post by: Daniel15 on September 24, 2011, 02:31:58 pm
I updated the ATAR calculator and rewrote all the JavaScript today. It should load a bit quicker now. You might need to force refresh (Ctrl+F5) if things aren't working properly. Please let me know if you encounter any bugs or "weirdness" though. The old version is still up (for now) at http://atarcalc.com/v4/ if you find any bugs with the new one.
Post by: b^3 on September 24, 2011, 03:13:57 pm
Post by: Lasercookie on September 24, 2011, 03:50:51 pm
I tested it out on a mobile phone browser (Opera Mini 5.0). Selecting subjects and entering subjects works fine, but nothing is calculated.
I don't really ever intend to use it on a mobile phone. Does this backend rewrite have anything to do with the mobile phone version of the calculator that you posted about recently?
Post by: luken93 on September 24, 2011, 05:02:10 pm
(btw, you'll have to redesign the extension studies next year as they are changing...)
Post by: Daniel15 on September 25, 2011, 12:48:46 pm
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I tested it out on a mobile phone browser (Opera Mini 5.0). Selecting subjects and entering subjects works fine, but nothing is calculated.I'm surprised that selecting subjects works well on Opera Mini, as I didn't think it'd even get that far. I don't think it works in Opera Mobile at all - The autocomplete box doesn't work properly (it's not designed for use on phones).
I don't really ever intend to use it on a mobile phone. Does this backend rewrite have anything to do with the mobile phone version of the calculator that you posted about recently?
And yeah, I was rewriting some bits so I can reuse them when I get around to making a mobile site. Probably won't have time to do that for a while, though. I think most people would just use the site on their computers anyways :)
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Works fine on the iPhone, a lot faster I might addOoh, that's nice to know! I don't have an iPhone so I couldn't test it myself.
How usable is the site on an iPhone? Are there any major problems?
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(btw, you'll have to redesign the extension studies next year as they are changing...)Thanks for letting me know - Do you have any more information on the changes? :)
Post by: SamiJ on September 25, 2011, 12:57:03 pm
Post by: luken93 on September 25, 2011, 01:07:00 pm
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/publications/bulletins/bulletin1-11.pdf - the second page has the new scoring system, just a couple of different numbers, that's all :)QuoteWorks fine on the iPhone, a lot faster I might addOoh, that's nice to know! I don't have an iPhone so I couldn't test it myself.
How usable is the site on an iPhone? Are there any major problems?Quote(btw, you'll have to redesign the extension studies next year as they are changing...)Thanks for letting me know - Do you have any more information on the changes? :)
And yeah, the iPhone renders the webpage fine, the "next" (tab) button works fine when entering in scores, and subjects are easily searchable and selectable :)
Post by: tony3272 on September 26, 2011, 09:36:23 pm
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Post by: Cinnah on November 10, 2011, 08:04:16 pm
If anyone has any fresh suggestions, that'd be cool :D
Going to make this thing functionable AND nice to look at.
Post by: acinod on November 10, 2011, 08:07:55 pm
Hey guys, sorry to bump an ancient thread, however, I was just talking to Daniel15 (as my signature would indicate is quite easy for me to do), and at the end of the year I may be helping out with an interface redesign :)
If anyone has any fresh suggestions, that'd be cool :D
Going to make this thing functionable AND nice to look at.
1. If you can, ask him if he can implement this: GA SCORE ESTIMATOR / STUDY SCORE ESTIMATOR (basically estimates your study score based on you sac and exam marks)
2. Make it more comforting. So people don't feel as bad when the calculator doesn't give them the ATAR they want.
Post by: Cinnah on November 10, 2011, 08:13:54 pm
I actually think that'd be easily and smoothly incorperateable.
And sure, that's definitely manageable :)
Post by: Lasercookie on November 10, 2011, 09:58:30 pm
So there's no actual interface or script for that part that anyone else has done? I think he'd like the challenge once uni is over. :3I think Paulsterio was planning on putting together a script for GA/SS estimation (Re: GA SCORE ESTIMATOR / STUDY SCORE ESTIMATOR)
I actually think that'd be easily and smoothly incorperateable.
And sure, that's definitely manageable :)
Post by: Cinnah on November 10, 2011, 10:25:13 pm
Maybe he can work something out with this other guy.
Post by: Daveyy on November 18, 2011, 02:56:56 pm
I'm so confused? :o
Post by: Daniel15 on November 21, 2011, 08:35:57 pm
Hey, I was just wondering what it means by grade range.. with the UPPER and LOWER? :|I think you're thinking about some other calculator. This one doesn't have a "range".
I'm so confused? :o
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Post by: Phy124 on December 18, 2011, 07:09:00 pm
Today I updated the ATAR Calculator to use the latest (2011) scaling data :)Good stuff man, the proposed aggregate for the addition of my study scores was only off by 0.4 compared to my actual, which is quite minute.
Now I'll spend hours plugging in numbers to see what could've been just like I did before hand on what could be ;)
Post by: Daniel15 on December 18, 2011, 11:22:53 pm
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I'm guessing since the scaling report only gives scaling in the blocks of five, i.e. 25 30 35 40 45 50, that everything is approximated.Yeah, it gives just those values (25 to 50 in increments of 5) so it'll be off by a bit.
Post by: pi on December 28, 2011, 10:56:16 am
Such as you can still have mthods, spesh and further in the primary 4 in the current program, which is not allowed by VCAA.
Post by: pi on May 01, 2012, 07:50:55 pm
Post by: Fishyiscool on May 01, 2012, 08:25:28 pm
Today I updated the ATAR Calculator to use the latest (2011) scaling data :)
... You MADE THE ATARCALC? Im utterly awestruck.
Post by: Lasercookie on May 01, 2012, 08:28:34 pm
Hey Daniel, I think the spesh scaling might be a little off for 2011. 40 scaled to 50.6 last year, not 51 (for example) :)
Look a few posts up Vegit :P
I'm guessing since the scaling report only gives scaling in the blocks of five, i.e. 25 30 35 40 45 50, that everything is approximated. Putting in my results, my atar is calculated to be 98.00, I got 97.75. Daniel15 can't make it spot on (give him a break), plus its close enough.
QuoteI'm guessing since the scaling report only gives scaling in the blocks of five, i.e. 25 30 35 40 45 50, that everything is approximated.Yeah, it gives just those values (25 to 50 in increments of 5) so it'll be off by a bit.
40 ---> 51 is the value given in the VTAC scaling report for spesh.
Post by: pi on May 01, 2012, 08:30:11 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on May 06, 2012, 04:21:20 pm
Sure did :PToday I updated the ATAR Calculator to use the latest (2011) scaling data :)
... You MADE THE ATARCALC? Im utterly awestruck.
Post by: 86 on May 06, 2012, 04:24:22 pm
Sure did :PToday I updated the ATAR Calculator to use the latest (2011) scaling data :)
... You MADE THE ATARCALC? Im utterly awestruck.
Wow, thought you went inactive. Last sign in was like December!
Post by: Daniel15 on May 11, 2012, 11:37:28 pm
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Wow, thought you went inactive. Last sign in was like December!I come and go. I've been pretty busy recently. Started rewriting the ATAR calculator code to make it easier to manage and so I can eventually extend it beyond VCE in the future :P
Post by: brenden on June 13, 2012, 04:07:48 pm
Post by: My name aint bob on August 22, 2012, 09:42:49 pm
Post by: Hutchoo on August 22, 2012, 11:34:28 pm
Dude you changed it. Looks good :)
WTF. It's now with the website? That's so smart!
Post by: pi on August 22, 2012, 11:37:32 pm
Post by: paulsterio on August 23, 2012, 12:10:15 am
Post by: FlorianK on August 23, 2012, 07:50:21 am
Post by: Lasercookie on August 23, 2012, 04:01:26 pm
It should say atarnoets not vce notesI'm pretty sure that it would have been intentional to put it under the VCE Notes area of the site (note that there's also a HSC Notes, SACE Notes etc. area too :P), especially seeing that this calculator is currently VCE subject specific.
Post by: brenden on August 23, 2012, 06:10:06 pm
Post by: Daniel15 on August 27, 2012, 01:11:07 pm
Dude you changed it. Looks good :)Thanks! I'm not a designer so bits of it look out of place, but I think it's still pretty good for now.
There'll be more enhancements coming soon!
That's correct - While the calculator is VCE only, it's designed to fit in with the VCE Notes sections of the site.It should say atarnoets not vce notesI'm pretty sure that it would have been intentional to put it under the VCE Notes area of the site (note that there's also a HSC Notes, SACE Notes etc. area too :P), especially seeing that this calculator is currently VCE subject specific.
Post by: madcake23 on November 07, 2012, 10:52:40 pm
Been lurking for a long time, wanted to see if anyone could give me a rough estimate on my ATAR for 2012.
SAC MARKS:
Revolutions: A, A, A, A
German: B+, B, B+, B+
English Language: A, A+, A+,B+, A+,A, A+,A+
Music Performance: B+, A
Design Technology: A+, A+
2011 Art Study Score: 34 Raw
Thanks!
madcake
Post by: FlorianK on November 09, 2012, 12:29:25 am
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Post by: IndefatigableLover on November 10, 2012, 03:38:28 pm
How accurate is the calc?It gets updated annually with the correct scaling for each subject when they're released by VCAA though the calculator is and pretty accurate! I haven't heard of many complaints about it being inaccurate either.
Post by: b^3 on November 10, 2012, 03:40:44 pm
tl;dr, its accurate to the approximations in the scaling table.
Post by: paulsterio on November 10, 2012, 05:10:03 pm