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Title: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: #inori on March 02, 2014, 01:47:05 pm
Hi everyone I'm new to this forum so I don't know how things work here  :-\ anyways I've applied for Jmss about a month ago and I have to idea what to study for. I've heard that the Yr 11 selective exams are different from the Yr 10 exams. Can anyone give me tips and advices for this situation?  :'(
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Hannibal on March 02, 2014, 02:04:48 pm
Hey :)
I am trying for Year 10 entry. I think learning the Year 10 curriculum for maths and science should be sufficient, and trying to cram as many practise tests as possible!

Good luck, let me know if you need anything.
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Hannibal on March 02, 2014, 02:18:09 pm
One more thing - Sorry for double post  :-\.
I recommend buying some ICAS papers for Science & Maths. They are pretty cheap although you only get 4 practise papers of each... Which sort of sucks. Also if possible try and write scientific essays on random topics, ask your friends or people on AN for topics if you don't want to pick your own. :)
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: #inori on March 02, 2014, 03:00:37 pm
Thanks for your reply Hannibal, I wish you luck for your exams :)
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: #inori on March 02, 2014, 03:11:35 pm
But I would like to hear out from those who transferred from yr 10 as their original school to yr 11 at jmss :-/
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Butterscotch on March 02, 2014, 03:43:01 pm
Hey '#inori',

Firstly, welcome to the forums! :)

From what I have heard, the Year 10 ---> 11 entry is very similar in terms of the content in Maths and Science Reasoning. Idk if it's true or not, but there are some rumors saying the Year 11 entry differs from the Year 10 formatting - Apparently, the Year 11 one only has 1 essay and 2 Science Reasoning tests.

My advice is to have a read of the other threads in this section relating to JMSS and its entry (There are quite a LOT of informative ones). Other than that, have strong foundation and passion in Maths and Science.

Good Luck! :))
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: achre on March 02, 2014, 03:55:29 pm
Hey, I transferred from year 10 to year 11 JMSS back in 2011. As near as I can tell, the testing requirements are identical to the year 10 entry. (I can't say for sure, I never sat the year 10 test, and of course, this was three years ago) Anecdotally, year 11 entry is actually easier than year 10 entry, because apparently less people sit it. I only say this because I felt sure I absolutely bombed the maths section of the test, but still got asked back for an interview. And because I've heard students say it a lot.

Pointless story about how I made a terrible first impression on the JMSS maths department that set me up for an even worse two years of maths hell with the school
So basically there are two math tests you have to do, tech free and tech active. The tech free one goes for about half an hour and they stress to you at the beginning of the test that you only have to do 'x' number of pages (5 or 6) and that you should not (they were very earnest about this point) do any questions beyond the particular page. So I started the first maths test, and it went pretty well, finished within the time limit, felt good about the majority of the questions (simple stuff, hardest questions were on ratios and quadratics, you know the kind). Then we started on the tech active. That went similarly well, I wasn't super confident in my use of CAS, being only in year 10, but I managed with most of it. Finished really, really quickly. Sat back, feeling kind of smug considering everyone else was still writing. I literally just sat there for ten - fifteen straight minutes before I realised my multiple choice answer sheet had bubbles that went well beyond whatever question I had stopped writing at: you were only meant to stop after so-and-so many pages for the first test. Started freaking out, tried to catch up, realised there was no chance of me catching up with the amount of time left, shaded 'B' for every other answer on the test, and sat there feeling dejected for the last minute of the test, confident I wasn't getting in.
Long story short (too late) about a month and a half later they called me up and asked me back for an interview.
Supplementary story of how badly I stuffed up my interview (for current/past JMSS students)
I had Mr. Chisolm and Ms. Abels as my interviewers. They asked me what my least favourite subject was. On reflex I answered "geography".
#stillgotin
#y o l o

A good general knowledge of year 10 & 11 science should see you through the science component. I say year 11 because for the essay portion, if you're doing a 1/2 science subject, you will be in a very good place to absolutely smash it. I remember I sketched a cell and talked about the function of the organelles for the biology themed question, while most other kids picked the chemistry question about the periodic table and wracked their brains to come up with something to talk about for groups and periods haha. Remember this also assesses your communication skills, if you've ever sat the MHS test, it's sort of the analogue of their creative essay. I also say year 11 level because some of the questions address science topics not covered under the VELS curriculum. (I had no idea what 'work' was in physics, nor did I know anything about partial pressure, but there were still questions about them) All that being said, it's not an assessment of how many textbooks you've read - it's your ability to reason scientifically. The answer will either be somewhere in the question, or in the way you should be able to tell that the wrong answers are wrong.

If you've kept up to date with your class in maths, you should be all good. There is absolutely nothing on the test beyond year 10 math. If you're up to quadratics and you grasp them, should be all good. Maybe brush up on surds, pythagoras, ratios, simultaneous equations and financial maths (yes, I was as surprised as anyone that they expected me to remember how to calculate compound interest) if you feel rusty in any of this.

As for the interview, don't try to impress. I mean, do, bring your awesome report and achievments from school, but don't fake a passion for science. When they ask you why you want to come to JMSS or what you want to do in the future, don't say something about global warming or cancer research - unless those are things you really care about and can explain why you're interested in it and what you think going to JMSS is going to do about it. Being genuine is a really good look, as they already know you're a super genius prodigy intellectual (you got the interview from the test, remember?), now they want to know if you're going to fit in at the school.

Good luck and don't push yourself too hard, just keep doing well at school and pay heaps of attention in science and math :)
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: #inori on March 02, 2014, 04:21:27 pm

Hey, I transferred from year 10 to year 11 JMSS back in 2011. As near as I can tell, the testing requirements are identical to the year 10 entry. (I can't say for sure, I never sat the year 10 test, and of course, this was three years ago) Anecdotally, year 11 entry is actually easier than year 10 entry, because apparently less people sit it. I only say this because I felt sure I absolutely bombed the maths section of the test, but still got asked back for an interview. And because I've heard students say it a lot.

Pointless story about how I made a terrible first impression on the JMSS maths department that set me up for an even worse two years of maths hell with the school
So basically there are two math tests you have to do, tech free and tech active. The tech free one goes for about half an hour and they stress to you at the beginning of the test that you only have to do 'x' number of pages (5 or 6) and that you should not (they were very earnest about this point) do any questions beyond the particular page. So I started the first maths test, and it went pretty well, finished within the time limit, felt good about the majority of the questions (simple stuff, hardest questions were on ratios and quadratics, you know the kind). Then we started on the tech active. That went similarly well, I wasn't super confident in my use of CAS, being only in year 10, but I managed with most of it. Finished really, really quickly. Sat back, feeling kind of smug considering everyone else was still writing. I literally just sat there for ten - fifteen straight minutes before I realised my multiple choice answer sheet had bubbles that went well beyond whatever question I had stopped writing at: you were only meant to stop after so-and-so many pages for the first test. Started freaking out, tried to catch up, realised there was no chance of me catching up with the amount of time left, shaded 'B' for every other answer on the test, and sat there feeling dejected for the last minute of the test, confident I wasn't getting in.
Long story short (too late) about a month and a half later they called me up and asked me back for an interview.
Supplementary story of how badly I stuffed up my interview (for current/past JMSS students)
I had Mr. Chisolm and Ms. Abels as my interviewers. They asked me what my least favourite subject was. On reflex I answered "geography".
#stillgotin
#y o l o

A good general knowledge of year 10 & 11 science should see you through the science component. I say year 11 because for the essay portion, if you're doing a 1/2 science subject, you will be in a very good place to absolutely smash it. I remember I sketched a cell and talked about the function of the organelles for the biology themed question, while most other kids picked the chemistry question about the periodic table and wracked their brains to come up with something to talk about for groups and periods haha. Remember this also assesses your communication skills, if you've ever sat the MHS test, it's sort of the analogue of their creative essay. I also say year 11 level because some of the questions address science topics not covered under the VELS curriculum. (I had no idea what 'work' was in physics, nor did I know anything about partial pressure, but there were still questions about them) All that being said, it's not an assessment of how many textbooks you've read - it's your ability to reason scientifically. The answer will either be somewhere in the question, or in the way you should be able to tell that the wrong answers are wrong.

If you've kept up to date with your class in maths, you should be all good. There is absolutely nothing on the test beyond year 10 math. If you're up to quadratics and you grasp them, should be all good. Maybe brush up on surds, pythagoras, ratios, simultaneous equations and financial maths (yes, I was as surprised as anyone that they expected me to remember how to calculate compound interest) if you feel rusty in any of this.

As for the interview, don't try to impress. I mean, do, bring your awesome report and achievments from school, but don't fake a passion for science. When they ask you why you want to come to JMSS or what you want to do in the future, don't say something about global warming or cancer research - unless those are things you really care about and can explain why you're interested in it and what you think going to JMSS is going to do about it. Being genuine is a really good look, as they already know you're a super genius prodigy intellectual (you got the interview from the test, remember?), now they want to know if you're going to fit in at the school.

Good luck and don't push yourself too hard, just keep doing well at school and pay heaps of attention in science and math :)

Isn't it harder to get into Year 11 at jmss because of the limit??
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: achre on March 02, 2014, 04:30:13 pm
Isn't it harder to get into Year 11 at jmss because of the limit??
The figure I've heard consistently, year after year, is 30 kids into year 11, but I suppose that'll depend on cohort size/kids who leave in year 10. About 100 will sit the test, and about 50 will get an interview. Your odds are as good as anyones.
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Hannibal on March 02, 2014, 04:30:40 pm
Isn't it harder to get into Year 11 at jmss because of the limit??
I would think so, they only offer 10 spots I believe...
On the flip side you will have less people the compete with, and the people will generally be not as strong as those that got in at Year 9. :)
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: #inori on March 02, 2014, 04:40:39 pm

The figure I've heard consistently, year after year, is 30 kids into year 11, but I suppose that'll depend on cohort size/kids who leave in year 10. About 100 will sit the test, and about 50 will get an interview. Your odds are as good as anyones.

Is it true that the teachers from jmss puts lots of pressure on and stress out their students?? o.o
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: achre on March 02, 2014, 04:53:38 pm
They definitely don't go out of their way to stress out students. They're very nice and helpful people, and especially because JMSS is senior students only, you'll probably see student-teacher engagement that's a lot more casual than at other schools. But if you're doing a demanding subject like spesh, you can expect to have a higher and more difficult workload than the bulk of victoria. If you do GMA in year 11, your soul will be destroyed.

re. the "only accept 10 students" figure, I can name more than twenty kids who were accepted into year 11 in 2012. But I'm hardly an expert and the school doesn't make caps and available places and so on public, so who knows what they've recently changed. Oh, and also, many kids applying for year 11 entry may simply not have been aware of JMSS's existence during the year 10 intake process. I know that was the case for me.
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Robert243 on March 02, 2014, 04:56:47 pm
Hey although i got into via year 9 cohort , i think i should give you my few cents . According to my friend , last year 116 applicants tried out , 60 were interviewed , and 20 were taken . The test is quite similar to the year 9 exam ,but apparently there are two science reasoning tests and only one essay . Also may i suggest that you also try out for Elizabeth Blackburn ,it should suit you well if you don't get into jmss.

Good luck with your examination , hope that helps :)
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: winchesteraddict on May 20, 2014, 10:29:44 am
Hello is anyone else applying for JMSS year 11 besides me and inori. :D
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: winchesteraddict on May 26, 2014, 02:47:02 pm
Hello this might be pretty random but,
Does anyone know the format for the year 11 JMSS entry exam? Apparently they will be two science reasonings, an essay and two math exams. Is this true?
:)
Hey itzsunny

I'm assuming that you are applying for JMSS year 11 as well. There is only one essay, two scientific reasoning tests, numerical reasoning and a mathematics exam. PM me for more details. My the way im applying too :D
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: alicemaylintran on May 27, 2014, 10:02:29 pm
Hi,

im also applying for jmss this year and honestly just trying to cram as much as i can in this last week :(

does anyone know roughly what to study for the sciences like cells etc.

Thank you would help so much :))
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: winchesteraddict on May 27, 2014, 11:24:57 pm
Just sent you a PM
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: martizor56 on May 28, 2014, 07:47:00 pm
Does anyone know the difference between the two science reasoning tests?  :o
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: winchesteraddict on May 28, 2014, 08:25:27 pm
How much have you guys done?

The test is in three days :(
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: winchesteraddict on May 28, 2014, 08:28:06 pm
Does anyone know the difference between the two science reasoning tests?  :o

I think one Science reasoning will be based on textbook content and the other like normal Science Comprehension.
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Hannibal on May 28, 2014, 09:48:55 pm
Is your test this Saturday?

Best of luck! I'm sure you'll smash it :D
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: winchesteraddict on May 29, 2014, 07:12:57 pm
Is your test this Saturday?

Best of luck! I'm sure you'll smash it :D
Thanks man, good luck to you too :)
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: SKGUN11 on May 29, 2014, 09:56:44 pm
Wow the year 11 entry test is on Saturday?! Well done guys, you made it haha  :D
Rest on Friday (tomorrow) and maybe read over a few notes to get you ready for the big day!
Good luck, i am sure you guys will do well!  ;D
Just out of curiosity, where is the exam held for year 11 entry and is it in the morning?
Our year 10 one is at 9:00am (i think)   :o
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: #inori on May 30, 2014, 07:16:44 pm
Have to be at the place by 8:30am, THERE'S ONLY 14 MORE HOURS LEFT 😞😞😞
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: #inori on May 30, 2014, 07:24:15 pm
Still so unprepared
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: alicemaylintran on May 30, 2014, 08:15:45 pm
Good Luck everyone!  :) :)
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: IndefatigableLover on May 30, 2014, 08:44:27 pm
I've been refraining from posting in this thread but hey it's the last day before your exam so good luck to everyone!
Take it easy, get some sleep and hopefully tomorrow will turn out good for you ~
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Undeadeast15 on May 30, 2014, 09:02:49 pm
Good luck to all those trying out tomorrow! I'm sure you'll smash the exam!!
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: achre on May 30, 2014, 09:55:34 pm
Have to be at the place by 8:30am, THERE'S ONLY 14 MORE HOURS LEFT 😞😞😞
Man, that's rough.

At least everybody else will be tired too.
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: waftj on May 30, 2014, 09:57:10 pm
Hey itzsunny

I'm assuming that you are applying for JMSS year 11 as well. There is only one essay, two scientific reasoning tests, numerical reasoning and a mathematics exam. PM me for more details. My the way im applying too :D
LOL all the best guys :DD
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: SKGUN11 on May 30, 2014, 09:59:37 pm
Get a good rest guysm and have a great breakfast. Im sure you will do great! Do not let your nerves take over, stay calm! :D
Good Luck!  ;D
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: waftj on May 31, 2014, 07:00:21 pm
SO Guys... How did you all went?? LOL bet you all aced it man!!!
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Rilin on May 31, 2014, 07:36:22 pm
Yeah, i'd like to know how you guys went. What was the topic for the essay?
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: SKGUN11 on May 31, 2014, 08:23:31 pm
Yeah, i'd like to know how you guys went. What was the topic for the essay?
Apparently they had to choose between one about heat transfer and digestive systems! Inori told me :D thanks again!

I would have done digestive systems!
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Hannibal on May 31, 2014, 08:24:21 pm
Apparently they had to choose between one about heat transfer and digestive systems! Inori told me :D thanks again!

I would have done digestive systems!
Interesting topics, wouldn't have minded them at all (Especially heat transfer :D).
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: waftj on May 31, 2014, 09:53:59 pm
Apparently they had to choose between one about heat transfer and digestive systems! Inori told me :D thanks again!

I would have done digestive systems!
hahaha yea i would of chosen heat transfer
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: SKGUN11 on June 01, 2014, 06:22:40 pm
For the essay you had to either pick heat transfer (explaining conduction, convection etc) or Enzymes including it's function and then explain the process of food in the digestive system (also explaining how enzymes are involved in the digestive system).
Ah, okay thanks so much! Was the science part mostly similiar to ICAS? Was maths just straightforwards or was it complicated and were the worded questions? (Easy/hard?)

Thanks, hope you did well!
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: waftj on June 01, 2014, 09:21:48 pm
For the essay you had to either pick heat transfer (explaining conduction, convection etc) or Enzymes including it's function and then explain the process of food in the digestive system (also explaining how enzymes are involved in the digestive system).
LOL i would of picked heat transfer only because i had an assignment on it a few weeks ago.....
Which one did you end up writing about???
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: Jamin2906 on June 03, 2014, 06:13:15 pm
Hello is anyone else applying for JMSS year 11 besides me and inori. :D

Yes I am!!!
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: GodlyBuddha on November 20, 2014, 08:31:40 am
Any of you guys get in?

Or are you trying out next year...
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: flawsnllama on November 21, 2014, 10:25:15 pm
Did the results even come out?
Title: Re: Applying for JMSS Yr 11
Post by: GodlyBuddha on November 26, 2014, 02:59:56 pm
How many people get in at year 11.
From what I heard, around 1 class, 20 people