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Archived Discussion => HSC Exam Discussion 2019 => English Exams => Topic started by: Joseph41 on October 09, 2019, 04:13:36 pm
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Hi, I was just wondering what is the best way to structure your essay for Mod B in Paper 2? How many body paragraphs should your write?
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Hi, I was just wondering what is the best way to structure your essay for Mod B in Paper 2? How many body paragraphs should your write?
Hey, hollyhock124!
Welcome to the forums! I would always recommend three body paragraphs for Module B since it allows room for depth and breadth in your discussion. I always structured my body paragraphs thematically , with each body focusing on a particular theme, value, concept or idea from the text. You could also structure it by form, characters or plot depending on the question but thematic essays are usually the strongest ones to go with!
Angelina ;D
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Thanks for your reply Angelina!
I also wanted to know if this applies if your texts for Module B are T.S. Eliot's Selected Poems? It was suggested we analyse 2 poems over 4 body paragraphs, what are your thoughts on this?
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Thanks for your reply Angelina!
I also wanted to know if this applies if your texts for Module B are T.S. Eliot's Selected Poems? It was suggested we analyse 2 poems over 4 body paragraphs, what are your thoughts on this?
Hey, hollyhock124!
I would definitely go with that suggestion since it balances out the discussion better! You would be looking at a structure like this;
Theme 1
Paragraph 1- Poem 1
Paragraph 2- Poem 2
Theme 2
Paragraph 1- Poem 1
Paragraph 2- Poem 2
This can allow you to group the texts together under common themes and create a semi-integrated style of analysis :) Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
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Hi, I was just wondering what is the best way to structure your essay for Mod B in Paper 2? How many body paragraphs should your write?
Regarding this question, in your analysis + linking statements, should you always say as to why our texts are enduring today? E.g. Jane Austen's themes on the importance of love and marriage remain significant today as some contemporary individuals still execute Regency motivations whereby they marry to increase social standing (?)
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Regarding this question, in your analysis + linking statements, should you always say as to why our texts are enduring today? E.g. Jane Austen's themes on the importance of love and marriage remain significant today as some contemporary individuals still execute Regency motivations whereby they marry to increase social standing (?)
Hey, phungies!
Indeed you should! Module B is really driven by textual integrity and you should make sure your linking statements always refer back to it. You can use alternative phrases like "the text remains compelling...", "enduring value", "continual relevance" and "lasting impact" to illustrate this in your response. Ultimately, your essay should prove that whatever aspect/s of the text that is asked in the question (whether it be about the themes, to the clever way Austen uses form) contributes to why the text is timeless and resonates with readers both past and present. Hope that clarifies that :D
Angelina ;D
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Hey, hollyhock124!
I would definitely go with that suggestion since it balances out the discussion better! You would be looking at a structure like this;
Theme 1
Paragraph 1- Poem 1
Paragraph 2- Poem 2
Theme 2
Paragraph 1- Poem 1
Paragraph 2- Poem 2
This can allow you to group the texts together under common themes and create a semi-integrated style of analysis :) Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Thanks that helps!
But if we were to write three paragraphs on three different poems, is that acceptable?
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Thanks that helps!
But if we were to write three paragraphs on three different poems, is that acceptable?
Hey, again!
There isn't a right or wrong way to structure the essay; it's best you do what you're most comfortable with! There are two ways you could go about it with three paragraphs. One is the way you've outlined.
Theme 1
Paragraph 1- Poem 1
Theme 2
Paragraph 2- Poem 2
Theme 3
Paragraph 3- Poem 3
Alternatively, you could do an integrated structure like the one below.
Theme 1
Paragraph 1- Poems 1 and 2
Theme 2
Paragraph 2- Poems 1 and 3
Theme 3
Paragraph 3- Poems 2 and 3
As you can see, both structures ensure there's balanced discussion across all three texts. It again really is up to you which one you go with :) To sum, the three paragraphs on three different poems is totally an acceptable approach to go with :)
Angelina ;D
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Hey, phungies!
Indeed you should! Module B is really driven by textual integrity and you should make sure your linking statements always refer back to it. You can use alternative phrases like "the text remains compelling...", "enduring value", "continual relevance" and "lasting impact" to illustrate this in your response. Ultimately, your essay should prove that whatever aspect/s of the text that is asked in the question (whether it be about the themes, to the clever way Austen uses form) contributes to why the text is timeless and resonates with readers both past and present. Hope that clarifies that :D
Angelina ;D
I'm doing Eliot but the question still applies - just to confirm, do we constantly have to refer to textual integrity throughout our body paragraphs even if the question doesn't specify it?
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I'm doing Eliot but the question still applies - just to confirm, do we constantly have to refer to textual integrity throughout our body paragraphs even if the question doesn't specify it?
Hey, worldno1!
Strong responses will refer to it throughout your analysis in ways such as "the audience is able to..." or "...extending the text's significance beyond its contextual bounds." Your final linking sentence at the end of each body paragraph really needs to refer to textual integrity though for it to be a successful Module B essay. Even if the question doesn't specify it and looks at, say, his representations of isolation, you would still argue that it is because of these representations that the text remains compelling, has timelessness etc. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
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Hey! Just had a question about Module B. I studied T.S Eliot's poems this year (Rhapsody on a Windy Night, Preludes, The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock, The Hollow Men and Journey of the Magi) and I was wondering: how likely is it for them to specify a certain poem in the question?
I noticed they specified poems in 2015 and 2017 (Hollow Men in one year and Magi in the other). Currently, I've got a pretty decent essay for Preludes + Prufrock thoroughly reviewed and prepared. However, for the other three poems, I have analysed them again, made thorough notes and so I have a general overview in mind, but I'm still worried about them specifying one or more of the poems I don't have an essay on. Do you think its too late to write one at this point?
Also, if they were to specify a poem, would it therefore be very unlikely for them to specify Hollow Men and Magi again since they did it in the past?
Thank you, any advice is appreciated.
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Hi, I was wondering if someone can explain what 'cultural perspectives' (MOD A) means? Is it how an individual is perceived or perceives themselves in society? I'm so confused TT
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Hey, worldno1!
Strong responses will refer to it throughout your analysis in ways such as "the audience is able to..." or "...extending the text's significance beyond its contextual bounds." Your final linking sentence at the end of each body paragraph really needs to refer to textual integrity though for it to be a successful Module B essay. Even if the question doesn't specify it and looks at, say, his representations of isolation, you would still argue that it is because of these representations that the text remains compelling, has timelessness etc. Hope that helps!
Angelina ;D
Oh wait, I do currently have stuff like "prompts modern readers to realise...", which relates back to textual integrity?
I'm not sure if you've done Eliot before but in some trial papers, they detailed the need for only TWO poems to be discussed. However, my essay is a 3-poem structure. In past HSCs, they've never specified the number of poems...gosh, I don't know if I have time to revise another paragraph for each poem. :/
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Hey, everyone!
I just got back from uni so apologies if this is a really delayed response and you're all tucked in bed ready for the exam tomorrow. Hopefully you'll see this before Paper 2!
Hey! Just had a question about Module B. I studied T.S Eliot's poems this year (Rhapsody on a Windy Night, Preludes, The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock, The Hollow Men and Journey of the Magi) and I was wondering: how likely is it for them to specify a certain poem in the question?
I noticed they specified poems in 2015 and 2017 (Hollow Men in one year and Magi in the other). Currently, I've got a pretty decent essay for Preludes + Prufrock thoroughly reviewed and prepared. However, for the other three poems, I have analysed them again, made thorough notes and so I have a general overview in mind, but I'm still worried about them specifying one or more of the poems I don't have an essay on. Do you think its too late to write one at this point?
Also, if they were to specify a poem, would it therefore be very unlikely for them to specify Hollow Men and Magi again since they did it in the past?
Thank you, any advice is appreciated.
Hey, Essay127!
I highly doubt they will specify a poem since it's the first year of the new syllabus and it would be off-putting to. I always recommend students have a prepared essay if they really need to memorise something to feel confident but still cover enough bases in the unlikely event there is something left-wing thrown in the exam. As long as you have quotes and techniques in mind for the other poems, you'll be alright :)
I also don't want to make any predictions as to whether they will specify a poem or not if they decided to but I do think it's never entirely out of the picture, especially when the new syllabus is basically meant to be a clean slate. In short, I still don't think they will specify a poem for Module B and even if they did, what you've prepared will be more than enough for that event :)
Hi, I was wondering if someone can explain what 'cultural perspectives' (MOD A) means? Is it how an individual is perceived or perceives themselves in society? I'm so confused TT
Hey, kimlovesge!
Perspectives/perceptions are basically views that are held by an individual on themselves and/or in society. Cultural perspectives are views that are held as informed by the lifestyles, customs, norms, beliefs and values (all these contribute to culture!) the individual upholds. When writing about it in the essay, you would explore how personal, social and/or political perspectives are shaped in the text and what they show us about the cultures that are around them. You'd be justifying how language is used to share these perspectives to help us as audiences better understand people and their unique ways of living :D
Oh wait, I do currently have stuff like "prompts modern readers to realise...", which relates back to textual integrity?
I'm not sure if you've done Eliot before but in some trial papers, they detailed the need for only TWO poems to be discussed. However, my essay is a 3-poem structure. In past HSCs, they've never specified the number of poems...gosh, I don't know if I have time to revise another paragraph for each poem. :/
Hey, worldno1!
That example is a great way you've illustrated textual integrity in your response :D I didn't study Eliot personally but I have tutored it for this year. I doubt the HSC exam will specify the number of poems for your essay because it's quite limiting to do that. If you have three, go with three :) It wouldn't be wise to memorise another paragraph for each poem with Paper 2 around the corner. I would keep maybe two quotes from each of the other poems up your sleeve to use in the worst-case scenario that you might have to write them on the spot. Otherwise, do what works best for you!
Angelina ;D
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Hi, just a question about module B :)
When discussing textual integrity for King Henry IV and its relevance across time, what exactly could you talk about?
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Hi, just a question about module B :)
When discussing textual integrity for King Henry IV and its relevance across time, what exactly could you talk about?
Hey, svmmitran!
For King Henry IV, you would argue that whatever's specified in the question contributes to the reason why the text remains relevant across time. Textual integrity can range from the composer's masterful manipulation of dramatic conventions, to how his representations of power and control resonate with our own endeavours to determine what good leadership is. Basically, your essay should explore what makes the text timeless, then use the question to guide your response as to what shapes the text's ongoing appeal. Some of the critic quotes in this thread might help you out! Hope that clarifies that :)
Angelina ;D
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Hi guys! Just another question, how should we prepare for Moc C? I only prepared an imaginative and a reflection but I feel like im so underprepared
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Hi guys! Just another question, how should we prepare for Moc C? I only prepared an imaginative and a reflection but I feel like im so underprepared
For Module C you should have also studied a few texts, I made sure to brush up on them before tomorrow!
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Hi! I have a question about Module C, if asked to write a reflection, how long should it be?
Thanks!
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paper 2 was great. Mod A question was nice and broad for all texts and how modern composers recycle, dismantle or reconstruct so that worked well for me. Mod B thank god did not specify poems and was on spiritual existence which was great because all Eliot's poems relate to it. Mod C was also good with a nice stimulus that was quite broad and a reflection piece from MOD C. Overall was a great paper however forgot to title my creative hope thats not an issue, though I did mention it in the reflection. :)
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paper 2 was great. Mod A question was nice and broad for all texts and how modern composers recycle, dismantle or reconstruct so that worked well for me. Mod B thank god did not specify poems and was on spiritual existence which was great because all Eliot's poems relate to it. Mod C was also good with a nice stimulus that was quite broad and a reflection piece from MOD C. Overall was a great paper however forgot to title my creative hope thats not an issue, though I did mention it in the reflection. :)
Did you use the excerpt as a stimulus? Because I did and I'm not sure if we were meant to......
Quite concerned about this actually.
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Did you use the excerpt as a stimulus? Because I did and I'm not sure if we were meant to......
Quite concerned about this actually.
I'm sure it said to continue the excerpt, but I might be wrong. Anyways, I think if the quality of your text is pretty good then you should be fine :).
Overall, really liked this paper! Same thing to say as emaan above, a really good start for the HSC new syllabus! I think I'll get a mark around 70-85, would be pretty satisfied if I get a band 5. Pretty much rushed my reflective, I think that will drag my mark down the most, but we'll see what happens ;D.
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I'm sure it said to continue the excerpt, but I might be wrong. Anyways, I think if the quality of your text is pretty good then you should be fine :).
Overall, really liked this paper! Same thing to say as emaan above, a really good start for the HSC new syllabus! I think I'll get a mark around 70-85, would be pretty satisfied if I get a band 5. Pretty much rushed my reflective, I think that will drag my mark down the most, but we'll see what happens ;D.
I lowkey did both, whoops. Hopefully it's OK....what's done is done. I need to stop lamenting over this. :/
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I lowkey did both, whoops. Hopefully it's OK....what's done is done. I need to stop lamenting over this. :/
It should be fine, if the quality is good then I'm sure it won't change anything :)
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Did you use the excerpt as a stimulus? Because I did and I'm not sure if we were meant to......
Quite concerned about this actually.
yes this is the only thing that has been bothering me about paper 2 the question asked to continue the excerpt so I did kind of continue it, where I made the persona question what caused this existential crisis, but i really dont see the difference between continuing the excerpt or using it as a stimulus like did you start a brand new story and incorporate the stimulus in there?
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yes this is the only thing that has been bothering me about paper 2 the question asked to continue the excerpt so I did kind of continue it, where I made the persona question what caused this existential crisis, but i really dont see the difference between continuing the excerpt or using it as a stimulus like did you start a brand new story and incorporate the stimulus in there?
Yep! I did start a brand new story. I started off with describing the setting (as my story was historical) and then went on to describing the protagonist reading a newspaper.
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Thoughts on paper 2 (stan):
Mod A (The castle):
-I kinda messed up this q. There was 1 paragraph that I think I may lose marks because the quotes used didn't really relate. Will it lost a lot of marks because to be honest, I think I kinda went off topic.
Mod B (Curious Incident):
-The question wasnt that bad. It focuses on ordinary situations and I mentioned about how the experience of discrimmination/stigma, family/raising children and accepting yourself are part of our common lives.
Mod C
-I was very very relieved by this q, I was given a picture to work on which I did an imaginative. In contrast to trials, I have more confidence in getting a higher mark /20 especially I maintained all the tenses (hopefully).
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Yep! I did start a brand new story. I started off with describing the setting (as my story was historical) and then went on to describing the protagonist reading a newspaper.
hmm, not so sure because the stimulus did say to continue it, however, if the markers realize that a lot of people have done this mistake and don't lament yourself because I know a lot of people who did , then im pretty sure they will scale or be lenient whilst marking.
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Yep! I did start a brand new story. I started off with describing the setting (as my story was historical) and then went on to describing the protagonist reading a newspaper.
Did the same thing, although I used it as a stimulus for a discursive piece. Hopefully they won't be too harsh :(
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hmm, not so sure because the stimulus did say to continue it, however, if the markers realize that a lot of people have done this mistake and don't lament yourself because I know a lot of people who did , then im pretty sure they will scale or be lenient whilst marking.
I don't know because I also rephrased bits from the extract and added it into my story. Also it seems like a lot of people used the 'book' metaphorically? Which is what I did too.
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I don't know because I also rephrased bits from the extract and added it into my story. Also it seems like a lot of people used the 'book' metaphorically? Which is what I did too.
Same... to continue from the extract, I used the book as a metophorical 'past' of my character and kept referring to it as a 'bad chapter' in his life. There was no setting in the extract - or even character names - so 'continuing' on from it is a very light term...see attachment (someone gave it to me)..
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Same... to continue from the extract, I used the book as a metophorical 'past' of my character and kept referring to it as a 'bad chapter' in his life. There was no setting in the extract - or even character names - so 'continuing' on from it is a very light term...see attachment (someone gave it to me)..
Yeah, I did something metaphorical like you. I mean, nothing we can do about it anymore. Let's move on!
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Yeah, I did something metaphorical like you. I mean, nothing we can do about it anymore. Let's move on!
Lol this was ages ago now but my teacher is a marker for adv mod c and he said that markers are looking for people to continue the extract by using aspects of the text... overall he said they where marking the piece quite leniently and the reflection harsh...