Haha thanks! :)
I've been on AN for years, but haven't logged in for a while and forgotten my login details, so i've had to make a new account! I just remember how useful AN was for me during VCE so thought I should give back to the community :)
Omgggg the case note was a nightmare! I thought that the one for criminal law was hard, but I found this one so much harder! I'm not looking forward to getting the marks back haha.
For Torts I have Eric, and for Pub Law I have Lisa!!
Okay so I got in with a WAM of 80, but I know quite a few people who made it in with WAMs in the low 70s !!! Sooo many people I know that are doing law are transfer students. I don't know the exact numbers but it fells like they let a lot of people transfer. As long as you're averaging above a distinction (70), you should be fine.
I didn't think first year was too difficult, but ultimately it depends on what subjects you do. I was getting 90s for assignments in journalism and media, but then got 67% on one politics essay and thought my dreams of law were over (spoiler alert: they weren't). It also really depends on how much effort you're willing to put in to your subjects. A lot of arts units don't have end of semester exams, which means that you'll have a loT of work due during semester. And when you have four assignments due in the same week, each worth 30% of your unit mark, while you are trying to keep your WAM above 70, you can really start to stress!!! Once I finished year 12 I thought that uni would be more relaxed and I would get more of a social life and be able to focus less on study. Unfortunately that wasn't the case for me. Uni work turned out to be really time consuming, especially because I was putting in maximum effort in order to try and get into law. But, now that I'm in law, I've relaxed a tiny bit.
Some people might say to choose "easy" subjects to boost your WAM but I think the best thing to do is just choose what interests you the most. Because if you choose a subject you're not really interested in just to try and get a good WAM, you are going to have such a boring semester. It's better to risk maybE slightly lower marks for something that you're really interested in because then you will actually enjoy doing your assignments, and might even be content to keep studying that subject if you don't get in to law! That was me with politics. It was my lowest subject. After first semester I thought that if I wanted to get in to law that maybe I should drop politics and choose something easier for second semester. But I kept it, and it was such a good decision because the content in second semester turned out to be so interesting.
By the end of my first year in arts I wasn't really too fussed about whether I got in to law or not because I had enjoyed all my arts subjects so much. When I did get accepted I was even a little sad that I had to leave a few of my arts subjects behind. But I know that's not the case for everyone, especially for people whose main aim has always been to just get in to law.
TL;DR:
- Aim for a WAM above 70
- choose first year subjects that genuinely interest you
- put a lot of effort into your first year subjects, and you'll be fine!
Eric is ... not my favourite. I just find his lectures hard to follow, especially because he doesn't use powerpoint slides! :O
Lisa is alright. Her content is good and she's really nice but sometimes can be a bit monotonous. I've gone to some of Eric's lectures and his are so much more engaging! (pub law eric not torts eric lol)
Who do you have?
Thank you so much for such an in-depth response! Really appreciate it. Also, just a follow up question, the earliest one can transfer from arts at monash into arts/law is after one year?
Yeah I haven't heard the best things about Eric. I've got Gerry who is really good though! (And he uses powerpoint slides which is a plus!).
And for Public Law I've got Oyiela, who isn't too bad. She's really nice but I personally am not a big fan of the content, which doesn't really help with my attention in the lecture haha
5/10That sucks about the lecture, I always hate when they don't give advanced notice.
Okay things that happened this week:
MONDAY
- i submitted my journalism research plan
- i had my public law class and i actually understood a lot of the statutory interpretation stuff, which was nice!
- i also finALLy started to understand the stuff we're talking about in torts. We were going through defences for negligence, and it made SEnSE, and also in our tutorials we went through structuring a response and i goT it !!!!
TUESDAY
- omgggg i was meant to have my history lecture today buT i got there, and everyone was sitting and waiting and the lecturer just didn't show up !!!!! and then after 20 minutes of everyone just sitting there, one of the tutors said "oh lol i just got an email, the lecturer is sick and not coming today!" and so class was cancelled !!! it would have been nice to get some notice lol, and because of the class being cancelled it meant that i had a 3 hour break until my next class ! i was just scared because we have to write a diary based partially on lecture content, and this was one of the lectures we HAVE to write about, but i think there will be a make up lecture next week possibly.
- At night I did my Public Law library quiz. it's only worth 10% and i got 18/20 for it, so it was alright. im not tOO upset about losing the 2 marks , because i'm still averaging 85% and all i have left is my exam worth 60% so hoPEfuLLY if i really do well on the exam i can get a nice mark for pub law!!!! i haven't been doing amazingly in my other subjects so im really relying on pub law to be my best mark this sem!
WEDNESDAY
- i had torts classes and they were alright and i understood things
- in my break at uni i applied for a job on campus ! nervOUSssss
- i tried to watch my journalism lecture online but idk why, but every time i try to watch an online lecture my laptop heats up sO much and the fan gets so loud!!! it only eveR happens for monash lectures, and only this year (since monash changed the program we watch lectures on.... suspicious !!!) anyway, so i couldn't get through the whole lecture because i was scared for my laptop but i don't think i missed too muCH. It's just annoying that i always have to watch journalism lectures online. Journalism is only at caulfield campus, and the lecture time is right in between when i have 2 clayton classes, so it is physically impossible for me to get to the journalism lecture and back in time. But after this semester i won't need to go to caulfield anymore, because i'll have finished my journalism minor, so that will be fun.
THURSDAY
- today i only had my journalism tutorial and it was fine , and then i borrowed library books for my journalism essay !!! now i've got to try and write a practice essay for torts.
That sucks about the lecture, I always hate when they don't give advanced notice.
I also wish you the best for torts, I have heard many, many horror stories about the subject from various students studying law.
What campus job did you apply for?
TUESDAYOkay, we have the same lecturer, aha! Thankfully, we weren't left hanging for twenty minutes though. It was annoying they didn't send out an email though because I wouldn't have bothered coming in. I ended up clocking up four or five hours in the library though, so I guess it wasn't a total waste of time! :P
- omgggg i was meant to have my history lecture today buT i got there, and everyone was sitting and waiting and the lecturer just didn't show up !!!!! and then after 20 minutes of everyone just sitting there, one of the tutors said "oh lol i just got an email, the lecturer is sick and not coming today!" and so class was cancelled !!! it would have been nice to get some notice lol, and because of the class being cancelled it meant that i had a 3 hour break until my next class ! i was just scared because we have to write a diary based partially on lecture content, and this was one of the lectures we HAVE to write about, but i think there will be a make up lecture next week possibly.
Okay, we have the same lecturer, aha! Thankfully, we weren't left hanging for twenty minutes though. It was annoying they didn't send out an email though because I wouldn't have bothered coming in. I ended up clocking up four or five hours in the library though, so I guess it wasn't a total waste of time! :PYou can never not do work in the library, unless you too busy reading/admiring all the books/journals/articles they house. I may or may not do this when I'm bored or want to procrastinate... :P
Okay, we have the same lecturer, aha! Thankfully, we weren't left hanging for twenty minutes though. It was annoying they didn't send out an email though because I wouldn't have bothered coming in. I ended up clocking up four or five hours in the library though, so I guess it wasn't a total waste of time! :P
You can never not do work in the library, unless you too busy reading/admiring all the books/journals/articles they house. I may or may not do this when I'm bored or want to procrastinate... :P
13/10As for what you can do on your 6 hour break. You can explore your campus, try and catch up with fellow members on ATARNotes if they are willingly; Lots of Monash students on this forum, just play some more dolphin olympics :P or even study :O.
On Monday my torts lecturer said our results for an essay we submitted over a month ago would be released on Tuesday, but today is Friday and still no results :(
On Tuesday I had my final history lecture and tutorial !!!! i'm glad, but this means i'm going to have a 6 hour break between classes next week, since i won't have history to fill that time, and i am sO unsure what i'm going to spend that time doing! because i am definitely not studying for 6 hours straight.
On Wednesday we went through torts practice questions in our tutorial and it was helpful and I think I can structure some responses now. I want to try and submit a practice response to my tutor and see what she thinks.
Yesterday I met with my journalism tutor before class to discuss our essay that's due during swotvac and she gave a lot of helpful advice which was nice.
Today I didn't have uni and was meant to spend my day working on my history diary, but instead I played dolphin olympics all day :((((
As for what you can do on your 6 hour break. You can explore your campus, try and catch up with fellow members on ATARNotes if they are willingly; Lots of Monash students on this forum, just play some more dolphin olympics :P or even study :O.
Hey Ellen,
So this year I'm completing VCE and I also want to study Arts/Law double degree next year. However, I feel like the ATAR i can achieve is only around 95-96. Which means i'm probably not going to be accepted into the course. So most likely I'm going to have to do the arts pathway. But i'm a bit confused about it.
I know i need to average more than 70% for my units. But I don't get how i enter the course that allows me to have a pathway to Law. Do I just study arts for one year and if i get 70% WAM I'll be able to study Law the year after automatically? Do i need to do anything beforehand, like alert uni co-ordinators or is there a special course specifically for the pathway? And i've heard that the pathway is very competitive, does that mean even if i get more than 70% WAM there is a chance I won't get into the double degree?
Thanks a lot!
Hey :D
Okay, so firstly I would say: don't count yourself out yet! You haven't sat your exams and you might surprise yourself and get the 98 needed for arts/law!!
Secondly, starting in an arts degree and transferring to arts/law is great and fun and i personally enjoyed it a lot more than i think i would have enjoyed going straight into arts/law. I got to branch out into a bunch of different arts subjects that i would have otherwise never gotten the chance to experience, and met a lot of great friends that i wouldn't have known otherwise! So if you do just get into arts, it might actually be a really good experience for you !!!!!!!
SO the way to get from an arts degree to an art/law degree is:
1. You enrol in a straight ordinary arts degree at monash.
2. You try to keep your scores above 70% (70 is the minimum required, but it never hurts to aim a little higher)
3. In around September of your first year, the university will release the form needed for you to apply for an Internal Course Transfer. This is the form you need to be able to transfer from an arts degree to an arts/law degree. (and it's also the form you need to change into just about anY other degree). You can find this form by just google searching "Monash internal course transfer". This is what the page looks like. Of course, this isn't something you really need to even start thinking about at all until like august/ september of next year!!!!!
4. You go and chat to arts student services for like 15 mins in august/september-ish and tell them you want to transfer, they say "ok cool!", you fill out the form and that's it!
5. In December, after semester 2 results come out, you'll get an email telling you whether you've been accepted or not! While it is very competitive, I personally haven't heard of anyone who got a WAM above 70 and didn't get accepted. A very very large chunk of people who do law are transfer students.
Ultimately, at this stage I wouldn't worry about the transfer process. If you just do arts for your first year of uni, then i would only worry about keeping your WAM above 70 for most of the year. You don't need to stress about the transfer process at all until during second semester, and by then, the transfer process will probably become a lot more transparent and easy to navigate than it currently seems.
The transfer process seemed really confusing for me in year 12 and my first year of uni, and i stressed a lot about it, but when it actually came down to doing it, it was just a 15 minute chat with arts student service, and filling out a 5 minute form!
Feel free to ask me any more questions about it, and even come back this time next year when you're in the middle of applying for a transfer to ask more haha :)
Oh my god thank you soooo much for this detailed response!!! ;D
It's cleared a lot of my confusions, it seems so easy now than what i thought it would be haha.
Just one question, apart from getting a WAM of 70% and above for the Arts degree, is there anything else I need to do before September when I apply for the internet course transfer?
And you're right,right now, I need to seriously focus on my exams and maybe i'll get the 98 needed for arts and law ! :P
Again, thanks so much!
From what I recall, there's nothing else you need to do! In my year in arts i met quite a few people who also wanted to transfer, and so we were all able to discuss the process together and help each other find out dates to apply by, etc, and chances are you'll probably find the same with people you meet!
And if you have any questions about the transfer process throughout the year, you're able to contact the arts faculty, the law faculty, and a bunch of other places to ask questions. Once you become a monash student, they'll tell you about all the ways you can contact them to ask questions and stuff! So yeah, try not to worry too much about it now. I promise it will all become a lot clearer as you go :)
Thank you so much!! :) :) :)
23/10Ahh concussions are the worst. Hope you're feeling better soon! :)
On Friday I submitted my history assignment and felt really great about myself because now I only have one journalism essay and my two law exams to go!
This great feeling soon subsided, because on Saturday morning I fell over and hit my head while playing netball and got a concussion! :(
It's only a very mild concussion but my head is still so sore, and i'm having a lot of trouble concentrating on things. The doctor said I need to take it really easy this week and not do any work, but that is a little difficult because my exams start in one week!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really don't want to defer my exams because I am really not keen to have to keep revising this content for months to sit an exam during the holidays. At the moment I'm thinking my best bet is to try and get special consideration for my journalism essay, so that I can have a few weeks' extension on it, just to relieve a bit of stress, and then just sit my exams on their normal date. I'm a little nervous though because I've never applied for special consideration before, so i'm a bit unclear on how it works, but hopefully I'll be able to figure it out.
I'm just hoping that my brain fog clears up soon so that I can still do a little bit of study before exams !!! I'm just really annoyed that this had to happen this week, when I have so much work to do, but also relieved that it didn't happen nExT week, as in immediately before my exams begin.
Ahh concussions are the worst. Hope you're feeling better soon! :)
In terms of special consideration - I've had to do it several times this semester, and it's a pretty easy process! If it's for something medical, just get your medical certificate/letter from your doctor as your supporting document.
You have to print out the special consideration form, fill out your details, give a brief explanation as to why you're asking for it, then just scan that document in and scan the med cert in! :) You upload the forms all in the one place online, pretty straightfoward!
Idk if you've already done this, but make sure your unit coordinator/lecturer/etc is aware of what's going on - makes things smoother :)
Aww thanks so much!! I've never been concussed before and it feels so gross!And I hope you never get concussed again! I wish I could offer some advice, but I know that only rest really helps with concussion! I've had one before - can sympathise with the yuck feelings :( hope it all subsides soon.
And ooh cool, i've got the medical certificate and have the form printed and ready to go! One quick q: on the form there's a section that says "To be completed by the examiner/lecturer/tutor". Do you know if I need to go to them and get them to fill that out before I upload the form, or if that's the bit that gets filled out by the faculty after I upload?
Thank you for your help! :)
And I hope you never get concussed again! I wish I could offer some advice, but I know that only rest really helps with concussion! I've had one before - can sympathise with the yuck feelings :( hope it all subsides soon.
Happy to help! :) They fill out that part after its uploaded. You only have to worry about your bit!
Congrats! :D
So much time to post on ATAR Notes. ;)
I thought I would get like one HD max, and so i'm thrilled that I got three! (even though they were just barely HDs shh) Especially for news and power - i had received all my marks back already, and they only added up to 78, so possibly some of my marks got reviewed? or maybe some half-marks weren't showing up on moodle?? who knows! It was just a nice surprise to see i got an 80!!It could be because moodle's calculation of results is different to the official result calculation.
It could be because moodle's calculation of results is different to the official result calculation.
I know at RMIT that Blackboard results were calculated differently to the official result calculation, so that could be the reason why your results are different.
Alas congratulations on the good results, particularity on Torts since I know many people who do the subject, hate doing it.
Hey, how did you find ATS2595 The rise and fall of Nazi Germany? Would be very interested to hear how it was since I'm considering doing it next year.
Well done on those results - brilliant!
Haha thanks so much!! It was nice meeting you today! :)
26/2/18
wow okay it's been a while since i last posted here!
hi! today was my first day back at uni. i only had one 1.5 hour lecture for Property A. It was a little boring, but i think that's just because it was the first lecture, and i think it will get more interesting with time. The lecturer seemed really nice. Then i went to a workshop that gave tips and tricks for mooting because i'm entering the general moot which starts later this week!!!!
i did the first year moot last year and found it sososo stressful and i told myself i would never do it again. but then my partner from last year was interested in doing it again this year, so i thought "okay lol, why not!"
For anyone who does not know what mooting is: pretty much it's like a fake court hearing. two teams argue opposite sides of a case in front of a judge, and the team that is most persuasive wins. You get the details of a case, and then have about four or five days to do a lot lot lot of research and find cases that could help out your argument, before having to raise your points in front of the judge. then, two nights later, you have to argue the opposite side of the case!!!!! It's stressful because there is so little time to prepare, and also it's not like debating, where you just read your speech, and sit down while the other team rebuts you and argue their points. In moot court the judge interjects to ask you questions, and forces you to stray from your prepared answers!
I'm a little stressed, but right now I'm getting ahead of all of my normal uni work, so that when the problem is released in a few days, i can totally focus on that!
Okay that's all for now :)
Woo, great to hear from you! ;D
How's your first week treated you overall?
It's been a pretty nice first week!
All of my lecturers seem to be really friendly, knowledgable, and teach in a style that I find easy to understand, so I think I got pretty lucky this semester!!
Also, the moot problem was released on Thursday. We knew before it was released that the possible areas of law it could cover were criminal law, torts, or contracts law. I took criminal law and torts last year, so I was praying that it would be one of those areas. But, of course, to my dismay, the problem covers contract law (which I am taking this semester and have only had 2 lectures on so far) ha ha ha
So I've been so busy the last couple of days, not just finding cases and legislation to use for the moot, but also trying to learn as much of a whole semester's worth of contracts as I can in only a few days!!!! I'm stressing a bit but I think I'm starting to make some good progress.
I'll update this journal again probably after the second round of the moot is over (Wednesday night) and let everyone know how it went!
Btw, that's a very cromulent Simpsons quote in your signature ;)
I'm not actually doing the moot, but when my friends told me the problem was about Contracts I felt like crying for them! If it's any comfort, most non-third years doing double degrees (so a heap of people) will be in the same boat! Best of luck with the moot though!!!!
Who do you have for Prop A and Contract A? :)
I'll update this journal again probably after the second round of the moot is over (Wednesday night) and let everyone know how it went!