Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 11, 2017, 07:54:22 am
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Discussion of the paper here!!
Spoiler
Note: these are just some points of discussion that I've picked up on - there's more techniques than what I've listed. If you have other ideas please share!
Section One
Text One
Techniques:
-Enjambement (accessible, fluid, tone. Very organic, matching the process of "learning"/discovering.
-No rhyming scheme
-Second person narration
-"With the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child" - opposites compared and contrasted.
-Double negation pairing. Symbolic of what has been learned."that kisses aren't contracts/and presents aren't promises" and "love doesn't mean leaning/and company doesn't always mean security."
-Repetition of "learn" in the last three lines. Emphasis on it's importance.
-Ending with an ellipsis (symbolic of the continued "learning" that has been repeated, the ongoing growth)
-Metaphors (particularly in the section of the poem regarding planting your own garden instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers)
The question: How are opposites used in the poem to portray the process and outcome of discoveries?
This question is only worth 2 marks, so it's not worth rambling about. I'd be talking about the opposites compared in the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child. I'd also be talking about the metaphor of instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers, do the opposite and grow your own garden. The structure of the poem reflects the process of discovery, in the way that at the beginning of the poem, lots of negations are used to show what you will learn to be no longer true (lots of opposite pairings here), but by the end of the poem, the poet is discussing what one will learn all in the positive affirmations and high modality: "you really are strong." for example. So it's really up to you to pick and choose what you want to discuss here seeing that it's only 2 marks! I'd personally just talk about how at the beginning the author talks uses the negations for what you will learn to no longer be accurate, like the negation pairing about kisses and contracts, and then I'd contrast it to the end of the poem with the affirmation that the outcome of discovery is that you learn to do the opposite of waiting: you are proactive. This is in the metaphor of the garden-growing.
Text Two
Techniques
In the text:
-First person narration.
-A series of short, simple, sentences.
-Metaphor in the final line
In the image:
-Vector line in the bench
-Colours (green above, grey tones below)
-Salient image: the woman
-The placement of the woman in the foreground
-The content of the mid and background: people! (see analysis)
The question: Explain how the text and the image complement each other in a representation of the woman's discovery about perspective.
So this one is worth three marks. The way I would have approached this is exactly as user Beau did, I'll quote their response here:
Text Three
Techniques
-Inclusive first person
-Anecdotes
-Inclusion of a letter
-Listing: "When you're alone you can see, hear, smell..."
-Simple sentence/direction: "Take pleasure in the experience."
-List of experiences
The question: How does the article describe the importance of experiences as a catalyst for discovery?
So, for a four marker, we're going to draw on a few different techniques. So, I'd be talking about the first person narration because it gives authority and a credit to the "experience," and this is added to by the use of anecdotes to describe the time of "before" the experience - giving more weight to the way experiences can be a catalyst for discoveries. The list in the second part of the extract then explains the suggested steps to complete in order to discover the world of travel outside the skin of an introvert. So the entire thing is about shy travellers overcoming their introversion to experience, and consequently, discover it is possible and rewarding.
For those who completed the paper, which texts did you use for the 6 marker? Let's discuss!
Explain how the notion of journeys being an integral element of discovery is represented in TWO texts of your choosing.
Section Two
Question: Compose a piece of imaginative writing that explores the complications of discovery. Include a significant relationship that is affected by discovery.
So the first part of this question demands we look at "the complications of discovery." Fortunately for you - this could be anything. The complications could be risks, arguments, obstacles to overcome, emotions, pride, planning, and so on. So this isn't such an easy thing to incorporate as long as you actually do bring it to the forefront of your story. It's not enough to have a bit of trouble somewhere - it needs to be the complications of discovery, not the complications of an unrelated snippet of background context. And secondly, we need to look at a significant relationship that is affected by discovery. A relationship between people? Between lands? A romantic relationship? A business relationship? A relationship with God? A relationship with oneself? But the question demands it is a SIGNIFICANT relationship - so I'd take that to mean significant to the story, but also significant to the discovery - or the discovery was significant to it! I imagine that involving a relationship isn't too difficult because all stories have a plot, and plots usually come from a relationship, or tension, between two forces. What did you think about it?
Section Three
Question: Different discoveries may have similarities, but the ramifications will always vary. To what extent is this statement true in your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing?
The "different discoveries" here may be the different discoveries in your two texts, or you could be looking at the layers of discovery in even just one of your texts, and then contrast it to the other. If you're approaching your essay in an integrated way, you'd likely be talking about the similarities and differences anyway. But the "ramifications will always vary" means that you need to put a particular focus in your essay on the outcomes of discoveries.
REALLY keen to know what you think...where you struggled...where you aced it... Let me know your thoughts! :)
Section One
Text One
Techniques:
-Enjambement (accessible, fluid, tone. Very organic, matching the process of "learning"/discovering.
-No rhyming scheme
-Second person narration
-"With the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child" - opposites compared and contrasted.
-Double negation pairing. Symbolic of what has been learned."that kisses aren't contracts/and presents aren't promises" and "love doesn't mean leaning/and company doesn't always mean security."
-Repetition of "learn" in the last three lines. Emphasis on it's importance.
-Ending with an ellipsis (symbolic of the continued "learning" that has been repeated, the ongoing growth)
-Metaphors (particularly in the section of the poem regarding planting your own garden instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers)
The question: How are opposites used in the poem to portray the process and outcome of discoveries?
This question is only worth 2 marks, so it's not worth rambling about. I'd be talking about the opposites compared in the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child. I'd also be talking about the metaphor of instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers, do the opposite and grow your own garden. The structure of the poem reflects the process of discovery, in the way that at the beginning of the poem, lots of negations are used to show what you will learn to be no longer true (lots of opposite pairings here), but by the end of the poem, the poet is discussing what one will learn all in the positive affirmations and high modality: "you really are strong." for example. So it's really up to you to pick and choose what you want to discuss here seeing that it's only 2 marks! I'd personally just talk about how at the beginning the author talks uses the negations for what you will learn to no longer be accurate, like the negation pairing about kisses and contracts, and then I'd contrast it to the end of the poem with the affirmation that the outcome of discovery is that you learn to do the opposite of waiting: you are proactive. This is in the metaphor of the garden-growing.
Text Two
Techniques
In the text:
-First person narration.
-A series of short, simple, sentences.
-Metaphor in the final line
In the image:
-Vector line in the bench
-Colours (green above, grey tones below)
-Salient image: the woman
-The placement of the woman in the foreground
-The content of the mid and background: people! (see analysis)
The question: Explain how the text and the image complement each other in a representation of the woman's discovery about perspective.
So this one is worth three marks. The way I would have approached this is exactly as user Beau did, I'll quote their response here:
i chose to talk about the change in perspective that allowed her to recognise that her "life was so much bigger than" the minor things that make it up, namely her job which is analogised as "a small piece of the pie" to represent it's insignificance as a fraction of the whole instead of the whole of her life. this was reflected in the framing of the image that placed the woman to one side, with the opposing side consisting of a long path that stretched out to something "bigger".The question asks us to link the text to the image - and this metaphor is one of the best ways to do it!
Text Three
Techniques
-Inclusive first person
-Anecdotes
-Inclusion of a letter
-Listing: "When you're alone you can see, hear, smell..."
-Simple sentence/direction: "Take pleasure in the experience."
-List of experiences
The question: How does the article describe the importance of experiences as a catalyst for discovery?
So, for a four marker, we're going to draw on a few different techniques. So, I'd be talking about the first person narration because it gives authority and a credit to the "experience," and this is added to by the use of anecdotes to describe the time of "before" the experience - giving more weight to the way experiences can be a catalyst for discoveries. The list in the second part of the extract then explains the suggested steps to complete in order to discover the world of travel outside the skin of an introvert. So the entire thing is about shy travellers overcoming their introversion to experience, and consequently, discover it is possible and rewarding.
For those who completed the paper, which texts did you use for the 6 marker? Let's discuss!
Explain how the notion of journeys being an integral element of discovery is represented in TWO texts of your choosing.
Section Two
Question: Compose a piece of imaginative writing that explores the complications of discovery. Include a significant relationship that is affected by discovery.
So the first part of this question demands we look at "the complications of discovery." Fortunately for you - this could be anything. The complications could be risks, arguments, obstacles to overcome, emotions, pride, planning, and so on. So this isn't such an easy thing to incorporate as long as you actually do bring it to the forefront of your story. It's not enough to have a bit of trouble somewhere - it needs to be the complications of discovery, not the complications of an unrelated snippet of background context. And secondly, we need to look at a significant relationship that is affected by discovery. A relationship between people? Between lands? A romantic relationship? A business relationship? A relationship with God? A relationship with oneself? But the question demands it is a SIGNIFICANT relationship - so I'd take that to mean significant to the story, but also significant to the discovery - or the discovery was significant to it! I imagine that involving a relationship isn't too difficult because all stories have a plot, and plots usually come from a relationship, or tension, between two forces. What did you think about it?
Section Three
Question: Different discoveries may have similarities, but the ramifications will always vary. To what extent is this statement true in your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing?
The "different discoveries" here may be the different discoveries in your two texts, or you could be looking at the layers of discovery in even just one of your texts, and then contrast it to the other. If you're approaching your essay in an integrated way, you'd likely be talking about the similarities and differences anyway. But the "ramifications will always vary" means that you need to put a particular focus in your essay on the outcomes of discoveries.
REALLY keen to know what you think...where you struggled...where you aced it... Let me know your thoughts! :)
Post by: Opengangs on July 11, 2017, 10:27:22 am
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 12, 2017, 04:38:26 pm
Thanks!! I have my paper 1 exam next week, so the pressure is on during this last week.
I'm assuming you're doing a paper that your teacher created themselves? Instead of a bought paper? If so, please share with us your paper's questions! We'd love to build up a bank of possible questions here. Good luck!
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 18, 2017, 09:00:58 pm
Post by: dancing phalanges on July 18, 2017, 11:01:31 pm
Post by: claudiarosaliaa on July 19, 2017, 04:41:09 pm
Post by: jadzia26 on July 19, 2017, 10:28:55 pm
I've heard its not as hard as it seems to remember quotes and various essays but I'm really struggling to believe it.
Obviously its not easy but it seems near impossible right now lol
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 20, 2017, 11:21:36 am
Post by: katie,rinos on July 20, 2017, 12:50:29 pm
Do you have any tips in answering text 2-i'm not really sure on how to answer it (or will this come up in tomorrow's thread)?
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 20, 2017, 05:22:18 pm
Thanks so much guys! I'm going through this today and it's really helpful! :)
Do you have any tips in answering text 2-i'm not really sure on how to answer it (or will this come up in tomorrow's thread)?
I'll definitely post about this tomorrow :) I know it's more unusual, but given that last year they had no visual text, I thought we would include a more unusual one because of the way it includes text and image together, just to prepare you for whatever may be now we know they changed the structure from being typical last year :)
Post by: beau77bro on July 20, 2017, 11:01:39 pm
Thanks so much guys! I'm going through this today and it's really helpful! :)
Do you have any tips in answering text 2-i'm not really sure on how to answer it (or will this come up in tomorrow's thread)?
i chose to talk about the change in perspective that allowed her to recognise that her "life was so much bigger than" the minor things that make it up, namely her job which is analogised as "a small piece of the pie" to represent it's insignificance as a fraction of the whole instead of the whole of her life. this was reflected in the framing of the image that placed the woman to one side, with the opposing side consisting of a long path that stretched out to something "bigger".
Im not sure if that necessarily helped - i'm not great at english and that in fact was written better than my actual response. but I hope it helps.
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 21, 2017, 01:03:54 am
i chose to talk about the change in perspective that allowed her to recognise that her "life was so much bigger than" the minor things that make it up, namely her job which is analogised as "a small piece of the pie" to represent it's insignificance as a fraction of the whole instead of the whole of her life. this was reflected in the framing of the image that placed the woman to one side, with the opposing side consisting of a long path that stretched out to something "bigger".
Im not sure if that necessarily helped - i'm not great at english and that in fact was written better than my actual response. but I hope it helps.
Jeez, sounds like you're an expert to me - That was nicely done ;D
Post by: beau77bro on July 21, 2017, 09:35:06 am
Jeez, sounds like you're an expert to me - That was nicely done ;DLike i said much better than what i actually wrote ;D :P :'(
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 21, 2017, 09:41:48 am
i chose to talk about the change in perspective that allowed her to recognise that her "life was so much bigger than" the minor things that make it up, namely her job which is analogised as "a small piece of the pie" to represent it's insignificance as a fraction of the whole instead of the whole of her life. this was reflected in the framing of the image that placed the woman to one side, with the opposing side consisting of a long path that stretched out to something "bigger".
Im not sure if that necessarily helped - i'm not great at english and that in fact was written better than my actual response. but I hope it helps.
When I put that text in - this is the exact idea that came to mind first. So I can proudly tell you that your idea matches mine perfectly and I'm impressed ;)
Just finalising my thoughts to the paper now everyone!
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 21, 2017, 11:49:27 am
Note: these are just some points of discussion that I've picked up on - there's more techniques than what I've listed. If you have other ideas please share!
Section One
Text One
Techniques:
-Enjambement (accessible, fluid, tone. Very organic, matching the process of "learning"/discovering.
-No rhyming scheme
-Second person narration
-"With the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child" - opposites compared and contrasted.
-Double negation pairing. Symbolic of what has been learned."that kisses aren't contracts/and presents aren't promises" and "love doesn't mean leaning/and company doesn't always mean security."
-Repetition of "learn" in the last three lines. Emphasis on it's importance.
-Ending with an ellipsis (symbolic of the continued "learning" that has been repeated, the ongoing growth)
-Metaphors (particularly in the section of the poem regarding planting your own garden instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers)
The question: How are opposites used in the poem to portray the process and outcome of discoveries?
This question is only worth 2 marks, so it's not worth rambling about. I'd be talking about the opposites compared in the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child. I'd also be talking about the metaphor of instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers, do the opposite and grow your own garden. The structure of the poem reflects the process of discovery, in the way that at the beginning of the poem, lots of negations are used to show what you will learn to be no longer true (lots of opposite pairings here), but by the end of the poem, the poet is discussing what one will learn all in the positive affirmations and high modality: "you really are strong." for example. So it's really up to you to pick and choose what you want to discuss here seeing that it's only 2 marks! I'd personally just talk about how at the beginning the author talks uses the negations for what you will learn to no longer be accurate, like the negation pairing about kisses and contracts, and then I'd contrast it to the end of the poem with the affirmation that the outcome of discovery is that you learn to do the opposite of waiting: you are proactive. This is in the metaphor of the garden-growing.
Text Two
Techniques
In the text:
-First person narration.
-A series of short, simple, sentences.
-Metaphor in the final line
In the image:
-Vector line in the bench
-Colours (green above, grey tones below)
-Salient image: the woman
-The placement of the woman in the foreground
-The content of the mid and background: people! (see analysis)
The question: Explain how the text and the image complement each other in a representation of the woman's discovery about perspective.
So this one is worth three marks. The way I would have approached this is exactly as user Beau did, I'll quote their response here:
i chose to talk about the change in perspective that allowed her to recognise that her "life was so much bigger than" the minor things that make it up, namely her job which is analogised as "a small piece of the pie" to represent it's insignificance as a fraction of the whole instead of the whole of her life. this was reflected in the framing of the image that placed the woman to one side, with the opposing side consisting of a long path that stretched out to something "bigger".The question asks us to link the text to the image - and this metaphor is one of the best ways to do it!
Text Three
Techniques
-Inclusive first person
-Anecdotes
-Inclusion of a letter
-Listing: "When you're alone you can see, hear, smell..."
-Simple sentence/direction: "Take pleasure in the experience."
-List of experiences
The question: How does the article describe the importance of experiences as a catalyst for discovery?
So, for a four marker, we're going to draw on a few different techniques. So, I'd be talking about the first person narration because it gives authority and a credit to the "experience," and this is added to by the use of anecdotes to describe the time of "before" the experience - giving more weight to the way experiences can be a catalyst for discoveries. The list in the second part of the extract then explains the suggested steps to complete in order to discover the world of travel outside the skin of an introvert. So the entire thing is about shy travellers overcoming their introversion to experience, and consequently, discover it is possible and rewarding.
For those who completed the paper, which texts did you use for the 6 marker? Let's discuss!
Explain how the notion of journeys being an integral element of discovery is represented in TWO texts of your choosing.
Section Two
Question: Compose a piece of imaginative writing that explores the complications of discovery. Include a significant relationship that is affected by discovery.
So the first part of this question demands we look at "the complications of discovery." Fortunately for you - this could be anything. The complications could be risks, arguments, obstacles to overcome, emotions, pride, planning, and so on. So this isn't such an easy thing to incorporate as long as you actually do bring it to the forefront of your story. It's not enough to have a bit of trouble somewhere - it needs to be the complications of discovery, not the complications of an unrelated snippet of background context. And secondly, we need to look at a significant relationship that is affected by discovery. A relationship between people? Between lands? A romantic relationship? A business relationship? A relationship with God? A relationship with oneself? But the question demands it is a SIGNIFICANT relationship - so I'd take that to mean significant to the story, but also significant to the discovery - or the discovery was significant to it! I imagine that involving a relationship isn't too difficult because all stories have a plot, and plots usually come from a relationship, or tension, between two forces. What did you think about it?
Section Three
Question: Different discoveries may have similarities, but the ramifications will always vary. To what extent is this statement true in your prescribed text and ONE other related text of your own choosing?
The "different discoveries" here may be the different discoveries in your two texts, or you could be looking at the layers of discovery in even just one of your texts, and then contrast it to the other. If you're approaching your essay in an integrated way, you'd likely be talking about the similarities and differences anyway. But the "ramifications will always vary" means that you need to put a particular focus in your essay on the outcomes of discoveries.
REALLY keen to know what you think...where you struggled...where you aced it... Let me know your thoughts! :)
Post by: katie,rinos on July 21, 2017, 01:32:35 pm
Text One:
- I said that 'kisses aren't contracts' and 'presents aren't promises' were metaphors, now i'm not too sure. I think that it would be if there was an are in between but I don't really know. Also, what is a double negation pairing?
- I also ended up talking about the personification of 'futures have a way of falling down mid-flight'. I said that this shows how discoveries may be different to what is initially expected/anticipated.
- the use of inclusive language such as the repetition of 'you'.
Text Two:
Like I said, I was really confused about how to answer this text. Thanks so much @beau77bro and @Elyse!! :) Also, thanks for putting an unusual text in this paper, so we'd be more prepared for the trials and HSC. :)
Text Three:
- Colloquial tone which is relatable to the audience.
- Is there a specific technique for the inclusion of the letter in the blog post?
- I talked about the ellipsis in 'see, hear,smell .....'
Elyse got everything else that I said. Thanks so much for all the techniques and discussion.
For the six marker question, I did texts one and three but i'm not sure if I did enough writing, I ended up getting just under one page for this question.
Post by: Lachlan Morley on July 21, 2017, 02:00:38 pm
I thought it was 15 posts per essay , has it changed to 25 now ?
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 21, 2017, 02:04:55 pm
Hi JamonHey Lachlan - it's just during the trial exam period that we've bumped it to 25 so that we can handle answering everyone's questions as well as taking the time to mark longer pieces. :)
I thought it was 15 posts per essay , has it changed to 25 now ?
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 21, 2017, 02:20:29 pm
Hey, i'm going to put some of what I had because I'm not sue if it was right.
Text One:
- I said that 'kisses aren't contracts' and 'presents aren't promises' were metaphors, now i'm not too sure. I think that it would be if there was an are in between but I don't really know. Also, what is a double negation pairing?
- I also ended up talking about the personification of 'futures have a way of falling down mid-flight'. I said that this shows how discoveries may be different to what is initially expected/anticipated.
- the use of inclusive language such as the repetition of 'you'.
Text Two:
Like I said, I was really confused about how to answer this text. Thanks so much @beau77bro and @Elyse!! :) Also, thanks for putting an unusual text in this paper, so we'd be more prepared for the trials and HSC. :)
Text Three:
- Colloquial tone which is relatable to the audience.
- Is there a specific technique for the inclusion of the letter in the blog post?
- I talked about the ellipsis in 'see, hear,smell .....'
Elyse got everything else that I said. Thanks so much for all the techniques and discussion.
For the six marker question, I did texts one and three but i'm not sure if I did enough writing, I ended up getting just under one page for this question.
Hey Katie! Okay, text one:
You are definitely right to say what you did - the double negation pairing isn't the official name of a technique, it's just the best description I could give. A negation is saying "it is NOT" or "I am NOT what you..." or "they are NOT" and this is in the presents aren't promises section. It's just a pairing of them. Everything you've written sounds right to me.
As for text two: You're welcome!
Text three: You're right to pick up the colloquial language. It's enough to say that a letter is included, because varying text types is a technique in itself. Similarly to the negation pairing earlier, not everything an author does has the name of a "technique" so to say, but it is a decision made by an author for a specific reason, so that is technique enough :) I think this is really important for the unseen texts, personally. I looked for things like "indefinite articles" as opposed to "definite articles" (an/a and the) if it was relevant, and simple things like grammar and punctuation.
As for the six marker, I personally never found myself writing more than 1.5 pages for this section, I think it's possibly to achieve full marks in about a page - it's not supposed to be a full essay, where the requirements of what to write is different, so it's not really worth saying "well if an essay is 4 pages and it's double the marks of this...I should be writing about 2 pages" because it doesn't really convert over simply because of what is required of you.
Good on you for giving the paper a shot! We'll create a few more before HSC goes back so I'm glad you got something out of this one :)
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 09:01:00 pm
For those who completed the paper, which texts did you use for the 6 marker? Let's discuss!
Explain how the notion of journeys being an integral element of discovery is represented in TWO texts of your choosing.
For Q.4 I used texts 1 and 2. I said that it is through journeys that we have experiences which change/transform us, thus leading to discovery.
Text 1: explores how learning puts individuals on a never ending journey of accumulating experiences whereby discovery is met after each experience
- Lyrical repetition of motivic phrase "After a while you learn"
- "and you learn", "begin to learn" - the continual repetition/development of these lines suggests that learning is not something static. Learning changes the discoverer just as the line, as a motif, changes through the course of the poem
- On the journey to discovery individuals may be confronted by provocative discoveries - antithetical metaphor "even sunshine burns" - a representation that even hope and joy meets failure and defeat
- in facing confronting discoveries we learn and are thus set on a cyclical journey to the next discovery - an idea perfectly summed up in the last line "you learn..." where the ellipsis sustained a sort of lingered suggestion that the journey to discovery is ongoing and inevitable
Text 2: depicts journey from loss to actualisation in which the stages of this journey are what drive the persona to her discovery of acceptance
- confronting + blatant opening line "I just lost my job last week" - mirrors the sudden shock felt by the persona upon receiving the news
- imagery "I spent a lot of time crying" - grief + loss of hope as a development/ next stage of journey, from initial shock upon receiving the news
- the intervention of friendship compels the persona into acceptance = new perspective
- "it woke me up. I started laughing" - joyous imagery contrasts previous two stages of her attitude to the news
No clue if any of this is at all right, I have hardly if at all done any short answer practise :-\
But I'm going to start now!!
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 21, 2017, 09:21:33 pm
im trying to do my essay now but its kind of hard without an actual question...... also i want to do the AN trial in actual exam conditions so i dont want to use their question.
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 09:26:47 pm
Does anyone know any commonly used AOS essay questions,
im trying to do my essay now but its kind of hard without an actual question...... also i want to do the AN trial in actual exam conditions so i dont want to use their question.
You could use the 2016 or 2015 questions
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 09:44:58 pm
Also I found it really beneficial doing the paper and then going on here and reading what others thought/ did similarly or differently.
So much better than when I attempt to do past trials/hsc short answers on my own and get no where because I lose confidence halfway usually because theres nowhere I can go to after for questions + help. It'd be so good if there were more, or even if everyone posted different paper 1 trials and then posted their thoughts on them.
Thanks!
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 09:45:51 pm
Im not at all sure if I meet the post requirements for this or not but Ill upload my response anyway for others but just warning anyone that i have no clue if what Ive done is good/right so be aware!!
Also I found it really beneficial doing the paper and then going on here and reading what others thought/ did similarly or differently.
So much better than when I attempt to do past trials/hsc short answers on my own and get no where because I lose confidence halfway usually because theres nowhere I can go to after for questions + help. It'd be so good if there were more, or even if everyone posted different paper 1 trials and then posted their thoughts on them.
Thanks!
Um, it won't post the photos because the file is too big. What should I do?
Post by: beau77bro on July 21, 2017, 10:31:10 pm
Post by: beau77bro on July 21, 2017, 10:34:17 pm
Um, it won't post the photos because the file is too big. What should I do?
Take two or of each individual para? Or get a worse phone haha
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 10:36:14 pm
Take two or of each individual para? Or get a worse phone hahaAhaha yeah I'll try again by decreasing the quality
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 10:46:59 pm
For text 1: would we say "presents aren't promises" and "kisses aren't contracts" are antithetical statements that emphasise the betrayal, with the accumulation (listing almost) of lessons highlighting the extent of the impact of the discoveries?Yes, I think you definitely could but if that's for Q.1 make sure you link it to the process and outcome of discovery
e.g It is through the process of learning, that an individual is exposed to confronting/provocative discoveries of betrayal. Thus the accumulation of lessons learned represent that through the process of learning, one reaches the outcome which is to discover.
Make sure it's clear that the 'opposites' is in the antithesis.
What I just wrote is by no means an answer to the question, but just showing how to link your idea to the Q
Post by: beau77bro on July 21, 2017, 10:56:56 pm
Yes, I think you definitely could but if that's for Q.1 make sure you link it to the process and outcome of discovery
e.g It is through the process of learning, that an individual is exposed to confronting/provocative discoveries of betrayal. Thus the accumulation of lessons learned represent that through the process of learning, one reaches the outcome which is to discover.
Make sure it's clear that the 'opposites' is in the antithesis.
What I just wrote is by no means an answer to the question, but just showing how to link your idea to the Q
oh yea i was actually just wondering if we could class the repeated use of opposites throughout as "antithetical statements" because of aren't implying what they werent. but yes i really do need to expand upon how i am answering the question:
The consistent antithetical statements repeating "aren't" to emphasise the mistakes made, represents the struggles and the complications that follow along with the process of discovery. the accumulation of lessons learnt throughout the text and the repetition of "and you learn" amplifies the impact of the betrayal and discoveries made through the betrayal.
I think that addresses the question much better - wish i had time to process and work it out like this in the exam.
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 11:01:04 pm
oh yea i was actually just wondering if we could class the repeated use of opposites throughout as "antithetical statements" because of aren't implying what they werent. but yes i really do need to expand upon how i am answering the question:Oh I know right!!
The consistent antithetical statements repeating "aren't" to emphasise the mistakes made, represents the struggles and the complications that follow along with the process of discovery. the accumulation of lessons learnt throughout the text and the repetition of "and you learn" amplifies the impact of the betrayal and discoveries made through the betrayal.
I think that addresses the question much better - wish i had time to process and work it out like this in the exam.
Post by: georgiia on July 21, 2017, 11:07:00 pm
Im not at all sure if I meet the post requirements for this or not but Ill upload my response anyway for others but just warning anyone that i have no clue if what Ive done is good/right so be aware!!
Also I found it really beneficial doing the paper and then going on here and reading what others thought/ did similarly or differently.
So much better than when I attempt to do past trials/hsc short answers on my own and get no where because I lose confidence halfway usually because theres nowhere I can go to after for questions + help. It'd be so good if there were more, or even if everyone posted different paper 1 trials and then posted their thoughts on them.
Thanks!
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Post by: Daniyahasan on July 22, 2017, 03:09:06 pm
You could use the 2016 or 2015 questionsIm currently using the 2016 question
lets see how that goes ahah
Post by: mena1999 on July 22, 2017, 09:15:23 pm
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 23, 2017, 10:39:11 am
:)is it likely that we can be asked for a second related text for our discovery essay?
No, i dont think they can do that
its always been one ort
Post by: georgiia on July 23, 2017, 10:53:50 am
No, i dont think they can do that
its always been one ort
No they definitely can but it isn't extremely likely that they will
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 23, 2017, 11:06:11 am
No they definitely can but it isn't extremely likely that they willSeriously wth i did not know that, so do we prepare 2 orts just in case?
Post by: RuiAce on July 23, 2017, 11:08:29 am
Seriously wth i did not know that, so do we prepare 2 orts just in case?The syllabus states that students should be expected to have 2 ORTs prepared. If you go far enough in BOSTES papers you will see them asking for 2.
The thing is, from what I was told there's just been a shift towards asking for only one. And that's because students tend to analyse better that way.
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 23, 2017, 11:11:55 am
The syllabus states that students should be expected to have 2 ORTs prepared. If you go far enough in BOSTES papers you will see them asking for 2.this juts increased my stress levels by 1000 but thanks guys now i can somewhat be prepared for 2 just in case
The thing is, from what I was told there's just been a shift towards asking for only one. And that's because students tend to analyse better that way.
Post by: NB2972 on July 23, 2017, 01:34:02 pm
It mentions that we, in composing our creative writing, should steer clear of 'The 5 A's.' My best creative writing is centered around the idea of an abortion, though not the logistics behind it but rather a man struggling with the news that his girlfriend desires an abortion. Is this safe to keep in preparation for trials and HSC, considering this got me a 15/15 in a school exam, or should I be safe and avoid it?
Cheers for everything you guys do
Post by: beau77bro on July 23, 2017, 05:37:06 pm
Hey guys I just have a quick question regarding something I read in the English Advanced Slides (which are awesome by the way).
It mentions that we, in composing our creative writing, should steer clear of 'The 5 A's.' My best creative writing is centered around the idea of an abortion, though not the logistics behind it but rather a man struggling with the news that his girlfriend desires an abortion. Is this safe to keep in preparation for trials and HSC, considering this got me a 15/15 in a school exam, or should I be safe and avoid it?
Cheers for everything you guys do
what are the 5 A's?
Post by: pikachu975 on July 23, 2017, 05:44:03 pm
:)is it likely that we can be asked for a second related text for our discovery essay?
It's more likely they'll ask for 2 ORTs for mod C because for advanced mod C it's specific to advanced so they can ask 2, but I doubt they'd ask for discovery 2 ORTs because standard does that too and I don't think they'd be prepared
Post by: pikachu975 on July 23, 2017, 05:46:14 pm
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Just one small note, the 6 marker you wrote too much like 2 pages which would translate to like 3-4 pages in the actual exam. In the actual exam you'd probably only need to write 2 pages due to time limitations.
Post by: georgiia on July 23, 2017, 05:55:30 pm
It's more likely they'll ask for 2 ORTs for mod C because for advanced mod C it's specific to advanced so they can ask 2, but I doubt they'd ask for discovery 2 ORTs because standard does that too and I don't think they'd be prepared
Yeah thats exactly what I'm thinking
Post by: NB2972 on July 23, 2017, 07:02:07 pm
what are the 5 A's?
Its like Alcohol, Abuse, Abortion etc...
Post by: Daniyahasan on July 23, 2017, 07:05:44 pm
There are some subjects that you should generally steer clear of (the 5 As):
what are the 5 A's?
– Alcohol (substance abuse in general)
– Abuse
– Abortion
– Adoption
– Anorexia
Post by: georgiia on July 23, 2017, 11:04:05 pm
Just one small note, the 6 marker you wrote too much like 2 pages which would translate to like 3-4 pages in the actual exam. In the actual exam you'd probably only need to write 2 pages due to time limitations.Thanks, I allowed myself an 50 minutes just because I haven't had much practice so I'm going to keep doing more till I can get my time down to 30mins so I have more time for the creative
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 24, 2017, 05:04:30 pm
For text 1: would we say "presents aren't promises" and "kisses aren't contracts" are antithetical statements that emphasise the betrayal, with the accumulation (listing almost) of lessons highlighting the extent of the impact of the discoveries?
Technically, Presents and Promises are antitheses, but when you pair them in such a way it makes sense because of the negation to recognise it as an antithetical pairing. So, I think it would be appropriate to call it that!
Im not at all sure if I meet the post requirements for this or not but Ill upload my response anyway for others but just warning anyone that i have no clue if what Ive done is good/right so be aware!!Really glad to hear this! We will definitely do this again in the lead up to HSC, so I'm really glad you find this to be a better approach than doing it all on your own! I personally didn't have the discipline to do this on my own during the HSC, so I think I would've liked this kind of thing too :)
Also I found it really beneficial doing the paper and then going on here and reading what others thought/ did similarly or differently.
So much better than when I attempt to do past trials/hsc short answers on my own and get no where because I lose confidence halfway usually because theres nowhere I can go to after for questions + help. It'd be so good if there were more, or even if everyone posted different paper 1 trials and then posted their thoughts on them.
Thanks!
Im currently using the 2016 question
lets see how that goes ahah
There's no "typical AOS question" for discovery at the moment just because it's so new to testing, there's not a lot of practice papers floating around, and so it is tricky. But I suppose the beauty of this is that you are forced to look to other parts of the syllabus and prepare for what they haven't yet asked, when you're finished with the existing questions!
this juts increased my stress levels by 1000 but thanks guys now i can somewhat be prepared for 2 just in caseJust to throw something else out there. I can't find anywhere in the syllabus that says it is best practice for students to know two related texts. In fact, it has not been asked in over 10 years for two related texts, so I can hardly see that being a trend worth fighting for. Obviously, they could bring things up out of the blue and strike the entire state with madness and panic. BUT, I didn't study two related texts for Discovery, I just went in with the confidence that if they asked for two, I would use one from the unseen texts after I had begun analysing it for section one - so my work was done!
Post by: elysepopplewell on July 24, 2017, 05:05:21 pm
Post by: marioedd on July 28, 2017, 05:04:16 pm
Thanks
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Post by: elysepopplewell on July 29, 2017, 04:23:08 pm
Can someone please mark this.
Thanks
Hey marioedd! From a quick skim - I have a suggestion about the way you use textual evidence. So in question three's response, you talk about the social hot spots. Don't be afraid to link these to a technique, even if it isn't one of the big ones like "metaphors" or "similes." But simply, listing, is a technique used here! So every time you quote, pair it with a technique in order to strengthen your analysis.
I really like the way you've written a sort of thesis statement for each response, that works in your favour. I can see it helps you stay on track but it also shows your grasp on the discovery aspect, but also it shows the marker that you fully grip discovery!
Post by: DalvinT on October 10, 2017, 11:14:03 pm
Short answers --> Mmm, the questions were good! I liked them, they were straight forward but kinda ehhh, cause they were quite specific in what areas we had to focus on.
Creative --> Fitted perfectly, didn't need to change much. Complications of the discovery was when protagonist discovered grandfather that passed away, resulted in a change of how he saw the piano (before he hated it. then after death, he loved it) ... very brief overview lol.
Essay --> was really goood gooodd for only one of my paragraphs in Life of Pi. But had to shape it a lot to mould it to the ones that were a bit shaky. I think I didn't do a good job at it though... So I wrote something about how like discoveries are similar if they revolve around the same theme, but its ramifications vary depending on an individual's values at that time. However at most time, a discovery or rediscovery can also lead to a similar ramificaiton. ( life of pi did it through different emotional ramifications over the discovery of food at multiple stages in the film and related, was that it only encompassed a momment within a rediscovery which evoked emotional ramifications that were similiar - despair, anger and frustration) .... kinda shakkkyyyyyy :(
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 12, 2017, 07:08:58 pm
Post by: beau77bro on October 13, 2017, 01:15:09 pm
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 13, 2017, 02:51:24 pm
is there a new one coming?Jamon said theyre trying to get a new one up before the end of the week (I'm desperately waiting for it lol)
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 13, 2017, 02:53:37 pm
I'll be back online at 7pm tonight and will work on it then. So expect it for the weekend!
Apologies for the delay, but I'm so glad you liked the trial one!
Post by: beau77bro on October 13, 2017, 04:48:56 pm
Post by: justwannawish on October 13, 2017, 06:19:37 pm
Have the creative writing threads been locked? Or is it just on my side because I can't post a reply to Elyse's comment?
(I think I'm just going to hope creative discoveries is linked to intellectual, and how his experimentation was an act of creativity (pls pls nesa don't make it creative or rediscoveries, Ramifications, or relation to place because I don't know what to do for that one either))
Really hope it's something like "worth can be reassessed over time" or "confronting and provocative"
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 13, 2017, 08:05:48 pm
Hey, guys,
Have the creative writing threads been locked? Or is it just on my side because I can't post a reply to Elyse's comment?
(I think I'm just going to hope creative discoveries is linked to intellectual, and how his experimentation was an act of creativity (pls pls nesa don't make it creative or rediscoveries, Ramifications, or relation to place because I don't know what to do for that one either))
Really hope it's something like "worth can be reassessed over time" or "confronting and provocative"
yep that's right the threads are locked :)
Post by: elysepopplewell on October 13, 2017, 10:11:41 pm
Hey, guys,
Have the creative writing threads been locked? Or is it just on my side because I can't post a reply to Elyse's comment?
(I think I'm just going to hope creative discoveries is linked to intellectual, and how his experimentation was an act of creativity (pls pls nesa don't make it creative or rediscoveries, Ramifications, or relation to place because I don't know what to do for that one either))
Really hope it's something like "worth can be reassessed over time" or "confronting and provocative"
Your protagonist could rediscover their humanity, their love for their wife, and their purpose ;) You've got that covered! And relation to place comes down to the person at the very end of your creative, and how the place and privilege of the protagonist was a lethal combination, but luckily avoided, so places everywhere were saved ;) You've got it! ;)
The practice paper has been completed and created, Jamon is just reformatting it now and it'll be up soon! I hope you enjoy the unseen texts, I like the ones in this upcoming practice paper! :)
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 13, 2017, 10:44:25 pm
Post by: justwannawish on October 14, 2017, 07:40:31 am
Your protagonist could rediscover their humanity, their love for their wife, and their purpose ;) You've got that covered! And relation to place comes down to the person at the very end of your creative, and how the place and privilege of the protagonist was a lethal combination, but luckily avoided, so places everywhere were saved ;) You've got it! ;)
The practice paper has been completed and created, Jamon is just reformatting it now and it'll be up soon! I hope you enjoy the unseen texts, I like the ones in this upcoming practice paper! :)
OMG, thank you so much!!! (Last question I promise: what exactly is a ramification)
Looking forward to the practice exam!
Post by: Daniyahasan on October 14, 2017, 08:05:25 am
New paper is live!
Ohhh thank you AN team 😊😊😊
Post by: bun00 on October 14, 2017, 04:22:09 pm
just finished the paper ;) just wondering if it is likely they would ask in the hsc exam, two of the same question but on different texts as you did for text 3 and 4?
tku!
Post by: spragg_j on October 15, 2017, 06:36:11 pm
For text 2 I talked about the juxtaposition of her being sad to laughing, as she has discovered a new perspective of herself and her worth being so much bigger than her job which is reflected in the image through the salient image of her smiling and the full image of her whole body connoting her strengthened perspective of her whole self. I know that is a bit different to what was suggested, but would that still be okay?
For the 6 marker I talked about text one being the journey of learning prompting the self discovery of ones strength and maturity. I also used text three saying the journey of experiencing is integral as it acts as a catalyst for the self discovery of ones confidence and and ability to be social despite being a shy solo traveller. Would that be on the right track?
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 15, 2017, 06:42:15 pm
Thanks for that list of suggested answers, it was really helpful. And thanks for the 2 AOS papers you put up - I've been struggling to find some as there has only been 2 yrs of discovery and had exhausted my options till I found this. So thanks!!!!
For text 2 I talked about the juxtaposition of her being sad to laughing, as she has discovered a new perspective of herself and her worth being so much bigger than her job which is reflected in the image through the salient image of her smiling and the full image of her whole body connoting her strengthened perspective of her whole self. I know that is a bit different to what was suggested, but would that still be okay?
For the 6 marker I talked about text one being the journey of learning prompting the self discovery of ones strength and maturity. I also used text three saying the journey of experiencing is integral as it acts as a catalyst for the self discovery of ones confidence and and ability to be social despite being a shy solo traveller. Would that be on the right track?
Welcome to the forums! So glad you've found these useful ;D
I think both of the things you've suggested sound great. Always multiple approaches - Awesome stuff for taking the initiative to do some practice! ;D
How did you go in the essay section(s)? Feeling confident for tomorrow? :)