I’m glad they made wearing facemasks compulsory. I’m just not sure how this might go down for those who can’t afford it, or what you’re going to do if there’s no more at the store (if it gets to that point) but you have to travel outside for school/work.Yeah, making sure everyone can get a face mask is a bit of a concern. Hopefully, there is some help to make sure that everyone can get access to them even if they can't afford it.
All in all a much-needed call.
As for developments today for Australia: Those in Metropolitan Melbourne and Mitchell Shire will be required to wear a face-covering when leaving home from Thursday. There will be fines of $200 for those who do not follow this rule.
Oh, and one final concern is the possibility of masks making people feel safer than they actually are, and thus distancing less. If you are wearing a mask and can keep further away, do (even the magic 1.5m rule isn't about guaranteeing you are safe, just about reducing the risk that you'll catch anything).The point of masks is exactly that - it doesn't guarantee your safety, but it's better than nothing, similar to the 1.5m rule.
One practical implication for me is this: I walk (or sometimes run) to the grocery store. If I understand correctly, masks worn for a period of time get a bit wet and become less effective, and that probably happens faster with exercise. If so, wearing a mask to/from the grocery store would surely make that mask less effective in the grocery store - the place where I actually want it to be effective.Have been wearing a mask in a physically active retail job for a few weeks with no issues. Idk what kind of heavy breathing people do to make their masks wet? If super concerned about your mask effectiveness, put a new one on at the supermarket, or maybe wear a scarf when walking to the supermarket and change to your surgical mask at the supermarket. The most important thing is that it's providing a physical barrier, and also reminding you to not touch your face. Might be time to switch your behaviours and opt to just walk to the supermarket if concerned about the implications exercise have on the effectiveness of your mask.
Oh, and one final concern is the possibility of masks making people feel safer than they actually are, and thus distancing less. If you are wearing a mask and can keep further away, do (even the magic 1.5m rule isn't about guaranteeing you are safe, just about reducing the risk that you'll catch anything).
As for developments today for Australia: Those in Metropolitan Melbourne and Mitchell Shire will be required to wear a face-covering when leaving home from Thursday. There will be fines of $200 for those who do not follow this rule.What about people with respiratory issues? It's bad enough breathing normally when walking, this is going to make it terrible.
Oh, and one final concern is the possibility of masks making people feel safer than they actually are, and thus distancing less. If you are wearing a mask and can keep further away, do (even the magic 1.5m rule isn't about guaranteeing you are safe, just about reducing the risk that you'll catch anything).Very true - and that isn't even addressing my main concern which is how on earth am I supposed to breathe with these things on...
What about people with respiratory issues? It's bad enough breathing normally when walking, this is going to make it terrible.Those with medical reasons are exempted.
What about people with respiratory issues? It's bad enough breathing normally when walking, this is going to make it terrible.
Particularly for exercise, while no activity is completely risk free, I have throughout assumed that it is very low risk when done solo and trying to keep distance from those encountered briefly on the way. It is also much more likely to be an activity where wearing a mask is (in their words) "impractical" or, in my opinion, at least a more significant restriction than wearing it in a supermarket, and with much less benefit to the community.
One practical implication for me is this: I walk (or sometimes run) to the grocery store. If I understand correctly, masks worn for a period of time get a bit wet and become less effective, and that probably happens faster with exercise. If so, wearing a mask to/from the grocery store would surely make that mask less effective in the grocery store - the place where I actually want it to be effective.
Oh, and one final concern is the possibility of masks making people feel safer than they actually are, and thus distancing less. If you are wearing a mask and can keep further away, do (even the magic 1.5m rule isn't about guaranteeing you are safe, just about reducing the risk that you'll catch anything).
Asthma. Does that mean I have to wear a mask when, when I get out of breath, I can literally almost not catch my breath for quite a while, whatever amount of exercise I'm doing; it's bad enough just standing there in the train or whatever. That's what I want to know. I would like to be able to breathe outdoors.
I don't know if I'm being overly optimistic, but is there any good news?Whilst we're in the midst of quite a large increase in cases, us slowing down infections allowed our hospitals to prepare for COVID patients. Now the hospitals are well prepared and have enough equipment, etc. so with more patients coming into hospital they're able to receive a high quality of care and we're not short of beds or staff or drugs. The health system can deal with this (although we need to make sure we continue social distancing and being responsible to make sure our health system can continue to deal with this).
You don't have to wear a mask when exercising, and instructions say that it's fine to not wear a mask outside if you're by yourself. You should still carry a mask with you (see above link) however so that it can be donned when you can't social distance anymore/have stopped exercising.
Have been wearing a mask in a physically active retail job for a few weeks with no issues. Idk what kind of heavy breathing people do to make their masks wet? If super concerned about your mask effectiveness, put a new one on at the supermarket, or maybe wear a scarf when walking to the supermarket and change to your surgical mask at the supermarket. The most important thing is that it's providing a physical barrier, and also reminding you to not touch your face. Might be time to switch your behaviours and opt to just walk to the supermarket if concerned about the implications exercise have on the effectiveness of your mask.
The point of masks is exactly that - it doesn't guarantee your safety, but it's better than nothing, similar to the 1.5m rule.
Even though transmission risk decreases outside when compared to indoor environments, there is still some risk present. Sure, it's a mild inconvenience to wear a mask (especially the exercise thing), but it's much better than wearing none at all. I agree that masks should not be compulsory when exercising, however I think it definitely should remain compulsory in any outdoor environment. The virus can very easily hang around in the air if someone with the virus coughs/sneezes/talks, so wearing a mask can help prevent them from spreading it.
I'm actually all for wearing facemasks outside the home for the reasons I've outlined above. If the point is to minimise the spread of the virus, then this is a step in the right direction. I'm unaware if Vic/Aus is going for the elimination strategy or the suppression strategy, but either way, wearing face masks will help prevent some of the spread. Especially things like community transmission due to catching COVID from random people as you go about your day.
No hat no play? No mask no play - end of story.
On reflection, though, it's perfectly possible that most people have more contact with others when outdoors than I do...Generally the case with introverts... ;)
And by the way - I do think that people in the past would've done better with this because they had faith in God - something that this society nowdays has distressingly walked away from.I don't think 'distressingly' was the right word here... You do not need to believe in God(s) to have faith - the two are related but not inseparable. I don't understand why you think people embracing a life void of religion/God now is a bad thing. There is a lot to talk about here, but to remain pertinent to the thread, I'll abstain. To each, their own, and faith need not always be in God.
People were more law-abiding, too, when there was a reason other than fines for them to be law-abiding; they acknowledged (where now people don't) that God was in control and that we should please him. Not to mention the general societal shifts have been almost universally negative in recent years, seems to me. No offence meant to specific people.I don't know how far back in history you are referring to. However, I can say with confidence that in the past, punishments were worse. People were forced to abide by laws (some good, some not so good!). The past definitely would be horrible in this situation. In the past, people with mental disorders were locked in mental asylums. Doctors performed transorbital lobotomies for no apparent reason in many cases. Bloodletting to cure disease was a thing back then. Because back then, they did not have the knowledge and technological advances that we have today. Today, we recognise that mental health is a thing as it becomes less taboo in society. Today, we are working towards finding relevant cures for diseases instead of using random treatments that are now scientifically incorrect. I think that's a pretty good societal shift, don't you? People who feel their mental health is spiralling downwards amidst the flurry of the pandemic can get help. People who are infected with the virus self-isolate, and those with serious symptoms get external support.
Generally the case with introverts... ;)This viewpoint is extremely subjective. It's an opinion, and one with no respect for fact and history. A faith in God is the reason many people are not following guidelines and pushing back against restrictions in the present; the most notable case being America. People use faith in God for their own convenience - cherry-picking, if you will, what is best for themselves and putting everyone around them at risk. Using faith as an excuse to ignore scientific protocol is naive and ill-educated.
And by the way - I do think that people in the past would've done better with this because they had faith in God - something that this society nowdays has distressingly walked away from. What can they expect then? Faith in God, for one thing, will reduce anxiety about the pandemic, because we know that God is in control and we won't end up all dead forever. People were more law-abiding, too, when there was a reason other than fines for them to be law-abiding; they acknowledged (where now people don't) that God was in control and that we should please him. Not to mention the general societal shifts have been almost universally negative in recent years, seems to me. No offence meant to specific people.
There are four target areas of research:
Investing in a vaccine for COVID-19
Investing in antiviral therapies for COVID-19
Clinical trials of potential treatments for COVID-19
Improving the health system’s response to COVID-19 and future pandemics
The projects outlined here build on $14.4 million of previously announced COVID-19 research investment, including into improving the way we diagnose the virus and how we care for patients with COVID-19.
Faith in God, for one thing, will reduce anxiety about the pandemic, because we know that God is in control and we won't end up all dead forever.
The past was not perfect either; I'm not sure if you've gotten to year 9 history yet
Evidence of this advancement includes the Australian Government's investment of $66 million in research for a COVID-19 vaccine. Quote health.gov.au on the 2nd June:
Anyone have any information on newer research outcomes for a treatment?
And by the way - I do think that people in the past would've done better with this because they had faith in God - something that this society nowdays has distressingly walked away from. What can they expect then? Faith in God, for one thing, will reduce anxiety about the pandemic, because we know that God is in control and we won't end up all dead forever. People were more law-abiding, too, when there was a reason other than fines for them to be law-abiding; they acknowledged (where now people don't) that God was in control and that we should please him. Not to mention the general societal shifts have been almost universally negative in recent years, seems to me. No offence meant to specific people.
People use faith in God for their own convenience - cherry-picking, if you will, what is best for themselves and putting everyone around them at risk.Unfortunately, I would partly agree with you. However, I was meaning the people who really believe in the Bible and the whole of the teachings, and truly try to do what God tells us to, not for their own convenience. Also, I'm curious to know where you found/what you found about the faith meaning people push against restrictions?
So, the assertion of it being in some ways draconian, is not exactly feasible in many cases..I don't understand what you mean?
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did not self isolate in the interim between testing and results.I'm curious to know - what do they define as self isolation? If, hypothetically someone has symptoms of any description, are they meant to isolate even if for other reasons they are not getting tested at the time - and does it change when they do get tested? Are they allowed to go out of the house at all? And if they have medical reasons why not to wear a mask, is that ok, does it change anything?
Today the Victorian state's cases have hit an all time high at 484. According to the Premier's address this afternoon, 53% of people who tested positive overnight did not self isolate in the interim between testing and results.Also from 3810 cases between 7th-21st of July approximately 90% of people (3400 cases) didn't isolate between feeling sick with symptoms and getting the test which is very concerning.
1800 675 398 was also the number given to call for a financial support package of $1500 for people who normally wouldn't be able to afford to isolate.
I'm curious to know - what do they define as self isolation? If, hypothetically someone has symptoms of any description, are they meant to isolate even if for other reasons they are not getting tested at the time - and does it change when they do get tested? Are they allowed to go out of the house at all? And if they have medical reasons why not to wear a mask, is that ok, does it change anything?If anyone is sick the only reason you should be going out is to get tested. Then you should go straight back home without doing anything else.
If anyone is sick the only reason you should be going out is to get tested. Then you should go straight back home without doing anything else.What about exercise?
I don't understand what you mean?
What about exercise?
Would that non-allowance of exercise be also held if the individual has things that mean they really need quite a lot of exercise?example?
Would that non-allowance of exercise be also held if the individual has things that mean they really need quite a lot of exercise?
Would that non-allowance of exercise be also held if the individual has things that mean they really need quite a lot of exercise?Just beaten by keltingmeith
Would that non-allowance of exercise be also held if the individual has things that mean they really need quite a lot of exercise?Can't think of anything that would mean that you could leave the house for exercise while waiting COVID test results. Even if someone does need exercise, there are ways that it could be done. We all have had to get a little creative during quarantine and exercise is no different.
Just beaten by keltingmeith
Talking about not self isolating. 200 in QLD have gone missing while self-isolating?!! What is this??I think this is just the headlines running. I believe those "missing" are people who when entering QLD lied about where they will be quarantining. So when police came around to check on them they weren't there.
I think this is just the headlines running. I believe those "missing" are people who when entering QLD lied about where they will be quarantining. So when police came around to check on them they weren't there.
The focus shouldn't be human rights and preserving our democracy
What would be a beneficial way in your opinion? What do you think the majority would see as beneficial? Elimination would be seen as eroding our rights; neo-communism. The current Dandemic approach is already being labelled as such. How should the Government be handling our current situation? If we are not to follow other democratic countries who have successfully eliminated the virus through semi if not sternly totalitarian measures?Ordering restrictions for a lockdown is not the government's desire to control citizens, it's an attempt to give some degree of safety for those who are at risk, and to minimise the spread to prevent the loss of more lives. I don't know about you, but I have never felt that the government was trying to take away my rights - any sensible human being would sacrifice a bit of time outside and follow the rules (this is in general - there are, of course, exceptions to rules in certain cases) if it meant we were protecting those around us and helping to ease the burden on the country's healthcare and hospitals. In this case, I don't think describing it as totalitarian is accurate, because we can still speak up against the government and we still retain our rights. There will always be objectors - those who don't want to comply with the rules. But these rules were put in place to protect us and those around us, not with some sort of ulterior motive (well, I'd like to believe this anyway). The government was by no means perfect with their decision making, and I can see what you mean. Yes, it may seem like they're controlling us, but they don't exactly have another choice. As responsible, well-informed citizens, all we can do is abide by the rules.
The government was by no means perfect with their decision making, and I can see what you mean. Yes, it may seem like they're controlling us, but they don't exactly have another choice. As responsible, well-informed citizens, all we can do is abide by the rules.
(This is just what I think, feel free to contend.)
In addition to the above, there was more support announced today. $300 available when someone gets tested but they need to meet the same eligibility criteria for the scheme that Poet outlined.
Today the Victorian state's cases have hit an all time high at 484. According to the Premier's address this afternoon, 53% of people who tested positive overnight did not self isolate in the interim between testing and results.
1800 675 398 was also the number given to call for a financial support package of $1500 for people who normally wouldn't be able to afford to isolate.Also from 3810 cases between 7th-21st of July approximately 90% of people (3400 cases) didn't isolate between feeling sick with symptoms and getting the test which is very concerning.
Obviously, this is not about blaming anyone. There is a lot of talk about the reasons for this being financial due to casual and insecure work. The support package doesn't fix everything but hopefully more widespread knowledge of it will get more people staying home when sick.
What would be a beneficial way in your opinion? What do you think the majority would see as beneficial? Elimination would be seen as eroding our rights; neo-communism. The current Dandemic approach is already being labelled as such. How should the Government be handling our current situation? If we are not to follow other democratic countries who have successfully eliminated the virus through semi if not sternly totalitarian measures?
If only we all could think this way, at least until the pandemic ends... but like what keltingmeith contends, we aren't a communist country on paper, so to speak. If we could just settle our ideological differences, just for now...
example?Case in point: recovery from spinal surgery where the doctors say at least an hour's walking a day.
Case in point: recovery from spinal surgery where the doctors say at least an hour's walking a day.People under these circumstances would be liaising with their treating health professional to find a work around.
Case in point: recovery from spinal surgery where the doctors say at least an hour's walking a day.
It seems your ‘quite a lot of exercise’ isn’t very common anyway if spinal surgery is the first example that comes to mind.It came to mind because it's the case I have... despite the surgery having been awhile ago (several months) I still need the daily exercise to help with recovery.
No, but as you said, people are ignoring the guidelines. If we continue to see any single form of authority as brutal, we're just givin a bad rep as a nation. That most of us don't give a crap about those who seriously place their health first. St*ff shit.
Was heartening to see everyone wearing masks today when I had to leave the house for an appointment. Restored a bit of my faith in people :)Same goes with the tram and trains I've been on today! 😊 was surprised to see no noses poking out either 😅
Was heartening to see everyone wearing masks today when I had to leave the house for an appointment. Restored a bit of my faith in people :)Was also pleasantly surprised to see the whole school nice and covered up :)
That's not what I said. I mean, I don't disagree with the fact- there are certainly people who are ignoring guidelines - but that's not what I said. And I'm going to be honest, I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore?
The problem here isn't these people thinking about human rights or democracy, it's about them choosing to ignore guidelines that benefit the masses
Sure, maybe 5% or so of people aren't interested in listening (and they may be loud, but I think you'll find they aren't as big as they sound - though time will tell, given that masks only became compulsory to wear today), but most people are
Firstly, I can see why it's hard to sense someone's tone via text and just throwing comments around doesn't help.
Oh, here's what I was referring to:
Anyways.. I wasn't arguing anything in the first place. I feel sorry that you took it that way. To make my comments more inquisitive, what do you mean by the masses?
We'll see about that too.
Loving your input by the way :)
Surely we should try and eliminate... otherwise isn't this just gonna keep on going and stop us from going overseas and whatever?
Thanks for the information, turin.
Hopefully yesterday's slight decrease is the beginning of the end... of COVID-19, not freedom :).
More uplifting news: there have only been 36 deaths due to influenza in Australia this year, compared to 430 at the same time last year! School closures, social distancing and hand hygiene are contributors to the lower numbers of influenza, and the huge thing is 2 million more vaccines have been given than last year already!!We love good news! I was talking to my dad about this driving to school and technically we have saved lives during this pandemic (or at least less people have died which is nice :))
Take the wins where you can :)
Currently, there are 14.2 million confirmed cases and 600,000 deaths worldwide.In terms of the world now there are 16.4 million confirmed cases and over 650,000 deaths.
In terms of the world now there are 16.4 million confirmed cases and over 650,000 deaths.Just to clarify, I believe the elective surgery suspension is only happening in Metropolitan Melbourne and the Mitchell Shire, across public and private hospitals. Surgery is going ahead as planned in regional hospitals.
In terms of Victoria, the biggest focus of today that I saw was that now elective surgeries (apart from category 1 and very urgent category 2) are being suspended in order to get medical staff into the private aged care facilities that have not been able to control the spread.
Going to be interesting how these new Stage 4 (Metro Melbourne + Mitchell Shire) and Stage 3 restrictions (Regional Victoria) play out and how well this will be enforced.Definitely needed these new restrictions (although would've thought it was warranted a few weeks ago). However, whether the general public actually abides by the rules will be the biggest factor on whether we can drive the numbers down. If everyone follows the rules I think the 6 weeks will be enough.
Hopefully the new restrictions will make a dent in positive case numbers after 2-3 weeks.
Definitely needed these new restrictions (although would've thought it was warranted a few weeks ago). However, whether the general public actually abides by the rules will be the biggest factor on whether we can drive the numbers down. If everyone follows the rules I think the 6 weeks will be enough.Quite happy with these restrictions (as a regional vic resident), I went to officeworks so i could get school supplies and there were SO MANY people just out and about! and on top of that i think I saw one person wearing a mask :/
The problem I had with stage 3 restrictions was that they were always talking about how you can only go out for "essential" things but then you have all these non-essential shops opened. Speaking to a few people who work in retail stores (which they thought were not essential but stayed open) they said they had heaps of people coming in and buying random unnecessary stuff just to "get out of the house".
What are everyone's opinions/thoughts on the new restrictions?
The problem I had with stage 3 restrictions was that they were always talking about how you can only go out for "essential" things but then you have all these non-essential shops opened. Speaking to a few people who work in retail stores (which they thought were not essential but stayed open) they said they had heaps of people coming in and buying random unnecessary stuff just to "get out of the house".This was a huge struggle for me. Working in retail, I have hated going in to work because I felt we weren't an essential business (because we're not) so it was very hard for me to serve people when the fact we were open in the first place was so fundamentally wrong to me.
Does anyone know the official rule about this??Hope I can help - the official line is if you're two degrees (or more) removed from a positive case you don't have to self-isolate. If your dad tests positive then you will have to isolate until you get tested and return a negative result. But for now, if you don't have symptoms, you're ok to go to school and collect your books :)
My dad was in contact with someone that recently tested positive. I live in the same house, have no symptoms, can I go to school to collect my books and materials for online learning?
Obvs the ideal would be to isolate, but tomorrow is the only day I can get stuff from school so I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place, if there is no rule about this.
I want to isolate but I need to collect textbooks and stuff out of my locker. Im trying to find if theres a rule for close contacts of close contacts but struggling
Hope I can help - the official line is if you're two degrees (or more) removed from a positive case you don't have to self-isolate. If your dad tests positive then you will have to isolate until you get tested and return a negative result. But for now, if you don't have symptoms, you're ok to go to school and collect your books :)Thank you!!
Source: have spoken to the covid hotline & have read statements by the premier that address this
Thank you!!Hmm, how interesting! They must have updated their recommendations since I spoke to them (which was probably 2 weeks ago now, so understandable given the current circumstances). Good thing your mum called the hotline!
Edit: Mum called the hotline and got a completely different answer! She got told that anyone (regardless if the are not showing symptoms) who lives with someone who had contact with a confirmed positive also needs to isolate.
Now time to work on my accio skills so i can some how collect all my stuff from school
https://twitter.com/p_pappa/status/1290128400103792642?s=19https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/guide-business%E2%80%93%20stage-4-restrictions-doc here's the DHHS release for what's open and not :)
We have a leak. This is looking big
https://twitter.com/p_pappa/status/1290128400103792642?s=19Yep, this isn't fully accurate. Eg: butchers and such are remaining open.
We have a leak. This is looking big
We aren't allowed to exercise anymore :'(
Yep, this isn't fully accurate. Eg: butchers and such are remaining open.
Definitely recommend people refer to the DHHS website to find out what is and isn't included in stage 4 shut down per insanipi's post :)
We aren't allowed to exercise anymore :'(WHAT?!?! Is that saying we literally can't go outside our block???
WHAT?!?! Is that saying we literally can't go outside our block???
Ok, thank you... I got scared there for a moment, that's all. Nice clear explanation. It just threw me.
Assuming a 4-day generation interval as reported (4), these growth rates correspond to effective pre- and post-intervention reproduction ratios (Reff) of 1.75 and 1.16.
The model projected 27,000 cases (95% CI: 17,000 to 45,000) would occur from July 1 to 30 if the growth rate had continued unchanged (Reff 1.75), as opposed to the 8,314 cases diagnosed in Victoria during this period.
Our results show that the control measures introduced by the Victorian Government in early July were highly effective in reducing the resurgence in COVID-19 transmission, leading to a reduction in Reff from an estimated 1.75 to 1.16. Despite this reduction, Victoria is still experiencing a slow but significant ongoing post-intervention growth in cases. To achieve a genuine “flattening of the curve” (Reff<1), a further 14% reduction in transmission is needed.
In conclusion, the control measures introduced in Victoria from 1 July reduced the transmission of COVID-19, averting 9,000–37,000 infections between 2 and 30 July. Importantly, however, there remains small but significant ongoing growth with further work needed to bring the Victorian epidemic under control. A broader and sustainable effort, involving community and government together is needed to optimise the uptake of all of the non-pharmaceutical interventions available to us.
Anyone else struggling to watch the toll this seems to be taking on Dan Andrews? Like damn, I almost feel like he's lost years off of his life the way the press are hounding him over things he can't answer (something something damn Murdoch press something), I just want to give him a big hug :'(Definitely. The guy hasn't had a single day off in literally months. Imagine waking up every morning knowing that you have to stand in front of your people and give them news they criticise you for when hindsight is always 20/20. I wouldn't be able to do it, and I applaud his stamina and strength. The decisions he's made as a leader show that he cares for the lives of the people he leads.
466 new cases in Victoria today, with 12 deaths overnight including a man in his 30s. That's a frightening number to be faced with every day for the next 2 weeks, but hopefully it drops significantly after that and stage 4 (Metro) and stage 3 (Victoria) can be lifted within the prospective time-frame.I think the restrictions will be enough to cause a drop in cases/deaths over time.
I think the restrictions will be enough to cause a drop in cases/deaths over time.The restrictions will only be enough if everyone abides by them... we need to eliminate, not just get back down to 20s or something, or there will be a third wave.
A big challenge will be when we get our new cases/death numbers down and people start crying to have everything opened up. I would still want to be very cautious and slowly open up what we can given an outbreak can occur at any time. Also, if we open up before it is completely eliminated we should be prepared for the possibility of a "3rd wave".
After over 100 days of no community transmission, New Zealand suddenly has 4 cases appear out of nowhere - all in the same house. Just another example of why eradication may not be as feasible as some think, regardless of how much it's wanted. What do others think of this insane news?Sorry if I come off too strong in my opinion but:
Apart from being a new strain, is there anything different about this one to SARS? I mean, we got rid of that.
But to me the more concerning thing is how the contact tracing etc. worked after the breach, because NSW's experience - difficult, but just about keeping on top of numbers - is much more how I expected Victoria's to go.This reflects the capacity and structure of the respective health departments imo. NSW and VIC have differently structured departments and health systems.
Everyone will probably be hearing about this everywhere today. Australia is "officially" in recession, for the first time in nearly 30 years, following a 0.3% drop in GDP in the March quarter and a 7% drop in GDP for the June quarter.
Obviously, none of this is unexpected but it probably should also be noted Australia was in a per capita recession around 2018/2019.
Dan Andrews is speaking at midday with a proposed roadmap for Victorians. Any guesses as to what this will be?Roadmap has been released now
Great to see that the numbers are going down in Victoria but there is still a long way to go so hopefully we don't get complacent.I want to be able to see my immediate family. I understand reasoning as to why they wouldn't allow family gatherings, but still. :)
The government suggested they will be easing restrictions on Sunday (and possibly be more relaxed than anticipated in the "roadmap").
What changes, if any, outside the normal "roadmap" would everyone like to see?
What changes, if any, outside the normal "roadmap" would everyone like to see?
Great to see that the numbers are going down in Victoria but there is still a long way to go so hopefully we don't get complacent.
The government suggested they will be easing restrictions on Sunday (and possibly be more relaxed than anticipated in the "roadmap").
What changes, if any, outside the normal "roadmap" would everyone like to see?
In Melbourne, you can have 1 visiting event per day with up to 2 adults (and any dependents that need to come) from the same household per day. This means that if you visit your friend, you can't visit any other house, and they can't have anyone else visit. Slightly more complicated than the bubble IMO, but the flexibility is really nice - particularly being in a sharehouse.Also trending was Kmart and #GetOnTheBeers 😂
On top of that, still only allowed up to 10 in a public space - but no more household limit on the 10!! This is very nice. This is very happy making me. Can finally meet up with all my friends.
Also, twitter is great right now. #NoBeersForScotty and #NoBeersForNewsCorp are both trending, and it's hilarious
Also trending was Kmart and #GetOnTheBeers 😂How about doughnuts and related hashtags? I heard that doughnuts were free at a couple of places yesterday to celebrate the lack of new cases, but not sure if truth or myth.
On a public transport note of things, literally the next day after Dan Andrews mentioned “businesses can reopen” (this morning), the train was the most packed I’ve seen it in months. (I’ve been taking public transport regularly during the entire pandemic, as I’m an “essential worker”.) That says a lot.This is why I'm rerouting myself out of the city for the rest of the week, because I'm terrified of being back to packed trains (I'm going to swap out at North Melbourne and go via Upfield line instead of via Flinders/Loop). Both my trains today were empty, and so was the bus to/from Royal Park though, so hopefully still as good tomorrow!
Day 1, peak hour of new rules: there's a few more people on my train (I count 11 including myself at Footscray), but all properly distanced. Shame that a few people still have their noses out of masks though.Hopefully, everyone maintains social distancing and continue to wear masks. I think with social distancing people generally do it when it is really easy to do with a small amount of people but once it starts getting more crowded people tend not to go out of their way to make distance.
How about doughnuts and related hashtags? I heard that doughnuts were free at a couple of places yesterday to celebrate the lack of new cases, but not sure if truth or myth.
On a public transport note of things, literally the next day after Dan Andrews mentioned “businesses can reopen” (this morning), the train was the most packed I’ve seen it in months. (I’ve been taking public transport regularly during the entire pandemic, as I’m an “essential worker”.) That says a lot.
Hopefully, everyone maintains social distancing and continue to wear masks. I think with social distancing people generally do it when it is really easy to do with a small amount of people but once it starts getting more crowded people tend not to go out of their way to make distance.
Not Aus related but the US has reported 102,831 new COVID-19 infections as of today. Their first six-figure number since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.Record was broken again today: 118k cases
Any news on the new virus in UK? Is it really bad there?Did you mean the new strain of COVID-19 in the UK?
Any much news on the new lockdown in Victoria?
5 day lockdown. Stage 4 restrictions (only leave home for 4 essential reasons) from midnight tonight.
Well this is shit.
How is everyone in NSW feeling?
So, Victoria's under another seven days of lockdown, eh?
How is everyone feeling about it?
As a Year 12, I'm glad that this lockdown hasn't fallen on a SAC heavy week but I'm also struggling to stay engaged in remote learning.That sounds really tough... it is tough to stay engaged. I hope you find a way that works.
How is everyone in NSW feeling?