Did you know that doctors in Australia can claim virtually ANY personal spending as tax deductible? Food, vacations, whatever. It's crazy. I'm friends with an anesthesiologist and she explained why.
It's because the doctor life cycle is Wake up > 16 hour shift > Get home > Sleep. Every so often some money shows up in their bank account, but in general this doesn't change the routine.
This basically makes them economic black holes. Vast piles of money pour into their bank accounts and then never comes out because they're all too busy to spend it. So the government does whatever the fuck it can to get them to actually spend their income rather than have it just leave economic circulation forever. She told me she could have claimed her wedding as tax deductible if she wanted to but felt that was kinda pushing it.
Preferences in VTAC - Bonded vs. Unbonded: the common myth
There is only a disadvantage if you put a Bonded place above an Unbonded place in you VTAC preferences, only a disadvantage. There is a common urban myth (mainly brought about by ill-informed parents) that because students are less keen about Bonded places, by having it first will give the student an advantage in getting one and hence a place in medical school. This is not true at all. As Bonded places are only given to the bottom 25% of successful applicants, there are two main successful scenarios if you have Bonded ahead of Unbonded:
1) You fall in the bottom 25% and get Bonded, this would have happened anyway if it was your second preference
2) You fall into the top 75% and get Bonded, when if Unbonded was above, you would have got that place
So in essence, NEVER put Bonded spots above Unbonded spots, as there is only a disadvantage to yourself if you do.
Bonded Medical Place (BMP): **worth noting in the para that it is exactly the same as CSP except the bond
Extended Rural Cohort (ERC): A small stream of students whereby the clinical years are undertaken in rural/regional areas. All students here are CSP, except these students accept their place knowing that their clinical years will definitely be in a rural/regional setting. Preference is given to domestic rural applicants.
1. We are a socialised medical system and the government is the sole provider of the training required to turn a medical student into a registered doctor. The same does not apply for engineers.
2. The increase in medical places (which have always been controlled by the department of health) was a deliberately formulated policy to address a specific problem [doctor shortage]. ie it was a specific strategy, with specific goals. The same does not apply to an increase in engineering places – which are not regulated by the government in this manner.
3. The objectives of this strategy, which involved substantial taxpayer dollars, cannot be achieved if governments only provide part of the basic training. It is analogous to the government not providing the final year of university training for engineers – ie why offer the place at all, if it amounts to nothing?
4. Practically speaking, a doctor cannot practice medicine in this country without a medicare provider number. The only way to get a provider number is via training in government-funded positions in government facilities. This type of regulation does not apply for engineers.
There are plenty of jobs that need to be filled in medicine, in fact a dire need in several regions, but in order fills said jobs, medical graduates must first complete an internship – and internship can ONLY be provided by the government. From then on there are a range of variables, but at the very least, there is no justification for not ensuring access to internship.
A medical graduate is useless to the public health system if they do not have an internship. We have pumped money into medical school places to address a shortage, but the shortage can only be addressed when the government provides the means for these medical students to become registered at the very least.
YAY I GOT IN! What do I do in the summer holidays?
Enjoy your holiday. You'll be spending your future holidays working, so enjoy it now. If you want to do some preparation, then brush up on your biology. If you never studied it before, then spend some time getting the basics down and give your university a call to find out whether they have any advice. Don't buy any textbooks. 80% of them you don't need and will consult once a week to source something you could have found via your online access. Only get the essentials in hard copy and you'll find out what these are after you start. If you want to get a steth before uni starts that's fine, just don't get the MASTER III CARDIOLOGY PRO WITH ELECTRONIC STUFF. Most of the people I know spent $70 and got the Littmann Classic II. Make sure it has a bell and a diaphragm because you need both.
Eh, you'll still need it eventually (whenever you lot start using them, 2nd sem I assume?) and it's not like buying a laptop where 6months is going to make a difference in what you get.
As for another thing to do on the holidays (really only applies to undergrad places I guess) is that if you didn't do Bio in VCE (in specific: immunity, nervous system, cell parts, biochem, genetics, translation/transcription), try and read up on it if you can, but other than that (and as Russ said), enjoy the break!
Yep, sem 2, but our medsoc arranges discounted prices with engravings for us then too (with a certain portion going to charity as well) along with lab coats (which aren't needed in sem 1 at all), sphygs, penlights, etc. :)
Is Physics important for medicine course? I didnt study it so a bit worried if they teach in Uni
Not at all for undergrad med, however I believe there is a physics component in the GAMSAT test to apply for courses such as the UoM MD :)
Is Physics important for medicine course? I didnt study it so a bit worried if they teach in Uni
Not at all for undergrad med, however I believe there is a physics component in the GAMSAT test to apply for courses such as the UoM MD :)
Is Physics important for medicine course? I didnt study it so a bit worried if they teach in Uni
Not at all for undergrad med, however I believe there is a physics component in the GAMSAT test to apply for courses such as the UoM MD :)
When I read the course plan about bachelor of biomed at UoM, why is Physics a compulsory subject? :( :( :(
Anyways, Physics always goes along with med at UoM
because biomed is not medicine.. they are difference courses
To elaborate, usually aspiring med students at UoM either do BSc, or Biomed as undergraduate, take the subjects needed to qualify for a graduate medical degree, then they have to do really well on the GPA & GAMSAT side to get an MD offer (graduate medicine) at UoM.
because biomed is not medicine.. they are difference courses
Yep, it's a separate course, not everyone doing Biomed wants to do med (some prefer research options, academia, etc.)
because biomed is not medicine.. they are difference courses
Yep, it's a separate course, not everyone doing Biomed wants to do med (some prefer research options, academia, etc.)
So what is the undergraduate course should we choose to study med at UoM? I usually assume that its bachelor of biomed or science though
i'm guessing he wasn't aware that to actually 'get' a job, it takes like 10 years?
Most asian/curry parents are like that unless they are in the profession themselves :P
Because in asian countries, doctors are well respected in those societies.
Most asian/curry parents are like that unless they are in the profession themselves :P
I don't understand why most curry/asian parents think that doctors earn THAT much, like sure they earn a lot, but not THAT much.
My opinion is that you don't, as such, need to be driven to help others and see it as some sort of higher calling. Plenty of people say you do, but ignore them.
I heard that not all medical school places are the same..
Correct. There are different types of places, depending on what you apply for and how good your marks are. Broadly speaking:
Commonwealth Supported Place (CSP): The government pays a large amount of your fees, leaving you the rest to pay yourself (roughly 10k a year). They also offer you the ability to take on a debt for that 10k and pay them back through the tax system once you're earning actual money.
Full Fee Place (FFP): If you're an international student / don't have ANZ citizenship then you can't get a CSP and have to take one of these. It's expensive (roughly 60k a year) so work out where that money's coming from before you start.
Bonded Medical Place (BMP): Turns out doctors like money and city comforts and don't want to work rurally, leading to a whole lot of rural health problems. To address this, the government has introduced a scheme where 25% of medical school places are "bonded". Before you start you sign a contract and you'll have to work rurally for as many years as you spend at medical school.
Medical Rural Bonded Scholarship (MRBS): Same as a BMP except the government pays YOU to study medicine (yay!) to the tune of $25k a year. Your obligation may be slightly longer, since it's 6 years absolute, rather than "however long your course is".
If you want more information on the BMP or MRBS, I strongly (STRONGLY) recommend you google the government website and read the contract and your obligations etc. You would have to be an idiot to sign one without having a proper read of it/think about it. They're legal documents that will dramatically affect your future!
Btw, I have another question: Undergraduate and post-grad medicine, which one is better?
From your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
From your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
From your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
My sister after doing GAMSAT: never again.
From your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
My sister after doing GAMSAT: never again.
Lol some people have attempted it up to 3 times. Depends on the person I guess, if it's really worth it.
From your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
My sister after doing GAMSAT: never again.
Lol some people have attempted it up to 3 times. Depends on the person I guess, if it's really worth it.
Now that's courage.
Imagine if the UMAT were 6 hours...say a 170 minute Section 1, 100 minute Section 2 and 60 minute section 3 :P
Obviously one major barrier for potential and current medicine students is being exposed to a plethora of very confronting circumstances (by this I am referring to the 'blood and guts' :P). On a more personal level, I've only started considering medicine as a viable career option as it has the academic pursuits I crave, has a lot of science and problem-solving aspects and is a job that is people-oriented and allows me to help others. But I guess I've always had uncertainty about if and how I'd deal with seeing these sorts of things throughout medical training and whether or not it is a career I should even be considering if I think I can't deal with those aspects of the job. Perhaps you could enlighten us on this side of medicine? :)
From your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
My sister after doing GAMSAT: never again.
From your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
My sister after doing GAMSAT: never again.
Did she end up getting into med/ dent/optom?
She's related to thushan ::) :PFrom your post, it seems like undergrad is a better choice :D
If we take postgrad, GAMSAT is required right? Is GAMSAT very hard? Which uni offer postgrad besides UoM?
My sister after doing GAMSAT: never again.
Did she end up getting into med/ dent/optom?
Yeah, she got into med afaik.
And I guess if you do an undergrad degree before postgrad Med it gives you another option in case you ever want to try something else.Btw, I have another question: Undergraduate and post-grad medicine, which one is better?
Overall, I'd say neither is better than the other. It depends on what you're after (I'll make a list of each later on in this post), but personally, I was lucky to get any offers for med, so I took the first one that came my way. It happened to be undergrad :)
Undergrad
- Shorter, usually 5-6 years of total uni (5 at Monash, 6 at other places like JCU)
- The course is less "crammed"
- More contact hours at uni
- Good for those who know exactly what they want to do right after high school
- No full fee places in Vic
- Good holidays
Postgrad
- Longer, usually 7 years of total uni
- Course is a little more "crammed" as typically years 1 and 2 of an undergrad degree become year 1 of a post grad degree
- Less uni contact hours
- Good for those who are unsure coming out of high school or for those wanting a second shot at getting into medicine
- Full fee places available in Vic
- Crappier holidays
In terms of research opportunities, I'd argue they're also about equal. Although, some unis do have better research reps than others.
As far as I know, there is no difference in the doctors they produce (in terms of "quality"), and essentially the UoM MD = Monash MBBS (ie. it is not a "Masters"). Usually though, if someone gets into undergrad, they go to undergrad, the only exceptions I've heard to that are scholarship recipients who choose UoM for a variety of reasons (many don't make that choice too) :)
pi, are you sure that undergrad is less crammed, I thought that postgrad would be better because once you've reached the first year of your MD, you would have done quite a fair bit of anatomy, physiology and other human sciences already - rather than us, I find it overwhelming to learn both the science and clinical applications at once :(
pi, are you sure that undergrad is less crammed, I thought that postgrad would be better because once you've reached the first year of your MD, you would have done quite a fair bit of anatomy, physiology and other human sciences already - rather than us, I find it overwhelming to learn both the science and clinical applications at once :(
So what do we study in postgrad for medicine? I used to assume that finishing bachelor of science/biomed undergrad will give you more advantages to study postgrad because at least, you have some basic knowledge about it, is it right?That depends on the individual university; best to check out the prerequisites in their respective handbook for postgrad med.
If someone do postgrad without any science/biomed background, how can they cope with heaps of scientific terminilogy?
And someone finish Art/Commerce degree, study medicine postgrad, whats the point of doing bachelor of art/commerce then? :-\ Kinda wasting time!
Btw, whats GAMSAT's score required to study postgrad at UoM? How many times can we do GAMSAT?
So what do we study in postgrad for medicine? I used to assume that finishing bachelor of science/biomed undergrad will give you more advantages to study postgrad because at least, you have some basic knowledge about it, is it right?
If someone do postgrad without any science/biomed background, how can they cope with heaps of scientific terminilogy?
And someone finish Art/Commerce degree, study medicine postgrad, whats the point of doing bachelor of art/commerce then? :-\ Kinda wasting time!
Btw, whats GAMSAT's score required to study postgrad at UoM? How many times can we do GAMSAT?
So what do we study in postgrad for medicine? I used to assume that finishing bachelor of science/biomed undergrad will give you more advantages to study postgrad because at least, you have some basic knowledge about it, is it right?
If someone do postgrad without any science/biomed background, how can they cope with heaps of scientific terminilogy?
And someone finish Art/Commerce degree, study medicine postgrad, whats the point of doing bachelor of art/commerce then? :-\ Kinda wasting time!
Is Deakin Medicine a viable alternative to Monash?
What are the disadvantages and/or of going to Deakin compared to Monash
Oh it's in geelong? No wonder monash is more demand lol, i thought it was at burwood :(
Oh it's in geelong? No wonder monash is more demand lol, i thought it was at burwood :(
Geelong is a better place to live :P
Oh it's in geelong? No wonder monash is more demand lol, i thought it was at burwood :(
Monash is in Gippsland and if you asked me, Geelong is a better place to live :P
In some courses such as the MD at UoM, you have to study BSc or BBioMed with the correct prerequisites to be considered.
Ahk, so most students would just do Undergrad at Clayton and then stop there?
(so Deakin undergrad is at geelong? or gippsland?)
This also isn't true, you can study whatever degree you want, you just need the three prerequisite subjects
Ahk, so most students would just do Undergrad at Clayton and then stop there?
(so Deakin undergrad is at geelong? or gippsland?)
Monash is at monash university isn't it D:
Graduate med, not Postgraduate
Calling it postgrad causes confusion
Eh, the difference is semanticsPotato, potatoe.
Why would it cause confusion?
Seems like there's some major terminology confusion going on in this thread. I'm pretty sure undergrad=Monash and equivalent, graduate=UoM MD etc, and post-graduate=specialisation. Look at the university websites - they're almost always referred to as graduate degrees; not post-grad. Many say post-grad (even me too admittedly) instead of graduate, but I was made aware of this error not long ago. But yeh, Ngage0 has never referred to it as a post-grad degree - he's simply been asking about 'training', as Russ has needlessly corrected him on. I think he knows what he's talking about, and despite the naivety of his overall views concerning overseas training, needlessly correcting technicalities has deviated this thread a bit I think.
But yes, overseas equals bad. I've had several registrars who have been fully qualified specialists overseas, yet have come here and have required to be fully re-trained quite tediously despite their clear competency. Not quite as bad if you decide to come back immediately after your undergrad training, but still, I have a suspicion that they'll throw you into rural places and such initially.
How stressful/busy will this 'doctor' journey be?
Does it get harder and more busier or do you reach a certain point where it gets more chill and you have some more free-time?
How stressful/busy will this 'doctor' journey be?
Does it get harder and more busier or do you reach a certain point where it gets more chill and you have some more free-time?
Ahahah yea the Monash med kids I know should have it harder than the Melbourne kids right? Since it's 5 years instead of 7. So Melbourne should be more chill or is it same thing?
@ Baby Spice - do you do med/biomed at UoM?
Melbourne is 4 years, undergrad doesn't count. Melbourne is also legit crazy compared to Monash in the first 2 years, read the last couple of pages if you want to read some opinions on it
@ Baby Spice - do you do med/biomed at UoM?
Done Biomed (very well in fact!) and now doing the MD.
Hey Aurelian, I'm curious as to why you did BSc instead of Biomed as you intent to go to MD?
Hey Russ, just out of curiosity, what sort of depth do you go into all the areas of medical science compared the depth you'd go into for the same area if you majored in it undergrad? Like, for example, how does how much you learn when studying pharmacology in the MD stack up against a pharmacology major in BBMed/BSc?
So babyspice, im assuming you had to go through the gamsat way ? unless u got in before it got implemented!
did you have the time and ability/motivation to prepare for gamsat during biomed?
and can u sit the gamsat 1st year?
essentially the UoM MD = Monash MBBS (ie. it is not a "Masters").
This is my understanding, might be wrong:
As far as I know, it doesn't really count as a proper Masters. In terms of content, MD's do exactly the same as MBBS (albeit in one less year), so I see no reason to count it as a Masters, even though it's graduate study. Not sure if an applicant to intern spots in certain hospitals would get "extra" points for having MD instead of the MBBS.
For a "real" Masters, I always assumed something like this: http://monash.edu/pubs/handbooks/courses/3852.html (note that this is not a PhD, this is http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/courses/0047.html)
Thanks! Another stupid question, at the end of the day, a MBBS and MD are essentially the same thing right?
It's just all the Doctors at my Clinic have MD's, and none seem to have done MBBS?
It's because masters used to refer to a masters of medicine, which was a further qualification. The MD is not that qualification, despite being a "masters" degree.
Thanks! Another stupid question, at the end of the day, a MBBS and MD are essentially the same thing right?
It's just all the Doctors at my Clinic have MD's, and none seem to have done MBBS?
QuoteThanks! Another stupid question, at the end of the day, a MBBS and MD are essentially the same thing right?
It's just all the Doctors at my Clinic have MD's, and none seem to have done MBBS?
Are most of the doctors in your clinic locals? If not, many unis overseas (such as the US) only have a MD system.
I see!
Ohh ok, so if i do UoM, i'll definitely do it 2nd year.
How was your lifestyle in biomed?
did it occupy much of your time, and thus relatively speaking with monash mbbs, do you reckon you got the benefit of the doubt in terms of lifestyle? the fact you are in the city, in the central hub on melbourne pretty much?!
im guessing you didnt reside in the city, but if you take that into consideration.. :p ?
QuoteThanks! Another stupid question, at the end of the day, a MBBS and MD are essentially the same thing right?
It's just all the Doctors at my Clinic have MD's, and none seem to have done MBBS?
There might be a slight difference in terms of intern points, to find that out, we'll have to wait and see what those certain hospitals release when MD students graduate.
Are most of the doctors in your clinic locals? If not, many unis overseas (such as the US) only have a MD system.
I see!
Ohh ok, so if i do UoM, i'll definitely do it 2nd year.
How was your lifestyle in biomed?
did it occupy much of your time, and thus relatively speaking with monash mbbs, do you reckon you got the benefit of the doubt in terms of lifestyle? the fact you are in the city, in the central hub on melbourne pretty much?!
im guessing you didnt reside in the city, but if you take that into consideration.. :p ?
yo yo baby spiceahhhh
There might be a slight difference in terms of intern points, to find that out, we'll have to wait and see what those certain hospitals release when MD students graduate.
edit, prep courses for the RACP exams cost 2k and literally take 2 weeks and you receive 10kg of notes. This is truly the life <3
'I'believe'I'could'have'passed'the'exam'without'going'to'a'course,'and'indeed'I
have'a'number'of'friends'who'did.'I'am'not'a'strong'advocate'of'the'preparatory
courses,'mainly'because'of'their'costs.'However,'if'you'can'afford'the'time'and'money,
they'certainly'won’t'hurt'your'cause.'At'the'very'least,'they'make'you'feel'that'you'are
not'disadvantaged'by'not'attending.
Found this interesting
http://www.practicelink.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/HappinessFactorChart-532x630.png
I'm surprised radiology is so high!
Anyway, also, I recently spoke to my family GP about his work...etc. and I'm just curious to know why GPs are usually rated so low on these comparisons, because according to him, he likes his job, especially the flexible hours, the easygoing nature of having a clinic (as opposed to the hospital) and the positives of having "known" patients on a regular basis...etc.
I also saw this worrying article on The Age, longer version here: Most doctors subject to aggression on the job
To those in clinical placements - do you see this often? And how does it usually happen?
if you want to just be your local gp, do you need to do internship and residency, or is it 5 years mbbs then youre a gp LOL
if you want to just be your local gp, do you need to do internship and residency, or is it 5 years mbbs then youre a gp LOL (emphasis added)
if you want to just be your local gp, do you need to do internship and residency, or is it 5 years mbbs then youre a gp LOL
anyway can someone answer the question please
No, it's not a walk in the park. You do your MBBS (or other medical degree), and then your internship (which after this year means you are a "doctor"), then you have your residency period (at least another year) and from there you do a fellowship (3 years from memory).
Saw this today, somewhat concerning.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/funding-row-forces-medical-students-to-miss-internships-20121002-26xe5.html
Get on this page everyone who's worried! https://www.facebook.com/MedicalStudentActionOnTraining
This is actually the funniest thing I have ever read on AN :D
But I don't want to go bush!
Suck it up, princess.
That said, there is a way out for people who sign a contract for a BMP, which is to pay the value of the contract to the government, rather than actually fulfilling the obligation. Myself (and some others) consider this a little unethical but it's a definite option that has been deliberately left in there by the government. If you sign an MRBS you CANNOT break it and if you do, you'll have your license to practice pulled.
With Monashs gippsland campus becoming a part of federation uni, does that mean monashs post graduate med will happen at clayton from like 2018 onwards
How important are your marks in the course? Some places I read that it doesn't matter at all, it all depends on how well you do in your internship. Or is it different for every type of specialty?It kind of depends on what course you're talking about since having good marks gives you a greater chance of securing an internship.
How important are your marks in the course? Some places I read that it doesn't matter at all, it all depends on how well you do in your internship. Or is it different for every type of specialty?
any undergrad without umat?
I've attached a pdf on the main post which I think is a handy little summary of the FRACP pathway :)
Radiology needs a medical degree (note: different to radiography, which has its own degree) with internship and so forth. http://www.ranzcr.edu.au/training/overview It's a good job if you enjoy it, not so good if you don't enjoy it? It's become "fashionable" of late.
JCU.
I've attached a pdf on the main post which I think is a handy little summary of the FRACP pathway :)
Would you happen to know how the college allocates trainees to the advanced training programs? I can't imagine there'd be many ENT wannabes compared to those of something like cardiology.
Hey Pi, just had a look. Couldnt find radiology undergrad on JCU website, would you mind linking me to where its at?
Also would you be able to name a few medical jobs which are rated as good? - work conditions, demand, "fashionable" pay? i just want to see other options out there, there might be something i dont know and may be interested in.
Would you happen to know how the college allocates trainees to the advanced training programs? I can't imagine there'd be many ENT wannabes compared to those of something like cardiology.
Hey Pi, just had a look. Couldnt find radiology undergrad on JCU website, would you mind linking me to where its at?
I did however look at MBBS, http://www-public.jcu.edu.au/courses/health/index.htm , is UMAT required? and what is the vce equivalent of English, Maths B and Chemistry. if you are aware.
Also would you be able to name a few medical jobs which are rated as good? - work conditions, demand, "fashionable" pay? i just want to see other options out there, there might be something i dont know and may be interested in.
If one wanted to be a radiologist, what do you need to do? atar, umat? any undergrad without umat?
anyone know if its a good job?? haha
Having not seen the rest of the advert can I guess that;
based in a rural location
you service a large number of individual towns
extremely onerous on call requirements
It's not all about the money lads ;) Medicine isn't worth it for the money.
Radiography is different to Radiology. The former is a degree in it's own right and you become a radiographer, the latter is a medical specialty requiring a medical degree to become a radiologist.
I wonder if many radiologists or psychiatrists get annoyed when people think they have a radiography/psychology degree and they aren't doctors?
i actually found a person doing med that got a 70 percentile UMAT and an 89 ATAR... but he is rural and on the dean's rural list...What is the deans list? how to get on it? also what is the definition of rural?
What is the deans list? how to get on it? also what is the definition of rural?
Thanks, TheAspiringDoc
You tell them you're rural and they'll put you on the list if you actually are. It's in the application somewhere, I didn't look into it as it didn't effect me.Pi! so glad ur back, I missed you!! :):)
What are some options if you are really bad with people, that are still somewhat within the medicine/biomed/maybe even research area? I've been told things such as pathology, immunology etc, but I'm interested to hear what else there is.
but I'm wondering if to do medicine you have to have had the dream of a doctor since you were little ? As in, would you have the motivation to do it if it wasn't a lifelong goal ?
Also, currently I'm studying nutrition and my goal is to specialise in paediatric dietetics (3 year undergrad, 1.5 year postgrad). From here, would it be possible to go into paediatrics or not ?
No, its not necessary to have wanted to do it forever. Motivation comes and goes and often your biggest passions when you were younger don't last (or, at least, they stand every chance of not lasting) because people change, priorities change - so unless you're totally not open to growth, chances are the things you love and are interested in are going to change. I'm 28 and am considering at least applying for medicine after not having thought it my thing for my whole life.
What hobbitle said! :)
Are you looking to do your MEng first or going to MBBS/MD?
I have missed the GAMSAT boat for 2016 entry so I will sit GAMSAT UK and AUS 2016 and see how it goes for 2017 or 2018 entry, in the mean time I will be starting the MEng next year. If I can find away to gear the MEng in a direction I want it (which would involve some string pulling in the department) I may not consider Med School at all. But I feel doubtful about even being able to get a place so yeah MEng it is for the time being, and seeing how applications go for med.
You can use either GAMSAT to apply for all courses in Aus UK and Ireland.Ah great so you only sit the GAMSAT once for that given year? Woo ::)
No, its not necessary to have wanted to do it forever. Motivation comes and goes and often your biggest passions when you were younger don't last (or, at least, they stand every chance of not lasting) because people change, priorities change - so unless you're totally not open to growth, chances are the things you love and are interested in are going to change. I'm 28 and am considering at least applying for medicine after not having thought it my thing for my whole life.
Once you have an undergrad, going to medical school (and hence becoming a paediatrician) is possible. If your undergrad is totally unrelated to science them some preliminary study might be required. Med schools generally like you to have a grounding in anatomy, physiology, and chemistry - also often biology and physics as well, depending. The amount of "official" training required depends on the med school. I have no idea what you would cover in a nutrition course so you'll have to take a look at that yourself...
What hobbitle said! :)Thankyou ! :)
Are you looking to do your MEng first or going to MBBS/MD?
Thankyou !
My undergrad is science based (under faculty of medicine actually) hence basic sciences - biology, chemistry, biochemistry and physiology are our main aspects of focus.
Does med school refer to MBBS ? Thankyou ! :)
Does not having a leadership position at school affect your chances of getting into med school? I know it sounds like a dumb question but I'm really worried
Does not having a leadership position at school affect your chances of getting into med school? I know it sounds like a dumb question but I'm really worried
For the interview guys, do you need to have bs school leadership positions to make you sound involved and more social? What if you have never joined a club, in school or out, would you be disadvantaged if this was the case though?
So I have to fake my interests and go for clubs despite that I don't persinally want to?Actually you don't have to, I'm saying if you do have co curricular then you seem to stand out more, if you do well then you don't need to worry as much
.Mrs. Jones has signed a donor card indicating that she is willing to donate her body to science without notifying her husband and son. She gets into an accident and it is determined she is brain dead. The family doctor, who is on call that afternoon, reviews the chart and determines that she would be perfect for medical students to practice the removal of organs for transplantation purposes. The doctor then talks to the family to discuss the procedure and to confirm their consent. They both oppose the procedure and refuse to allow their doctor to move forward. The doctor points out that Mrs. Jones could be helping hundreds of people by educating the medical students and that technically consent has already been provided. The husband understands how beneficial the educational experience is but is too emotional to allow them to continue. The son, a medical student, refuses because he knows the bodies are not treated with dignity. If you were the doctor, how would you proceed? Why?
Scenario: You are part of a five person project worth 35% of your overall mark. The marks are supposed to be the same for each group member. One person is not contributing and is absent at meetings. He doesn't do what he says he would do.
a) What would you do?
b) What do you do if other members of your group had different solutions?
c) What do you do if he still doesn't take your advice?
d) What do you do if he told you it was because his mother was sick in the hospital?
Tell me about a time when you had to make an important decision that included other people.
a) How did the decision affect the other people?
b) How did you decide on your final decision?
c) What was your final decision?
d) What were the advantages and disadvantages of the decision?
With taking the GAMSAT, do you have to be studying to take it ? As in, do you have to be in university or can you be practicing ?
No you don't have to be studyingThanks :)
If you come from a disadvantaged school will they be more easy on you? (In terms of getting into undergrad med)I hope so, I really do!
If you come from a disadvantaged school will they be more easy on you? (In terms of getting into undergrad med)
If you come from a disadvantaged school will they be more easy on you? (In terms of getting into undergrad med)Yeah not too sure how much it's considered at such a competitive course. But yes, you apply for SEAS through VTAC where you select under-represented school and other circumstances that may affect your ability to reach your highest ATAR.
From next year onwards you need to have studied a Monash degree to get into the graduate Monash course, so doing Melbourne Biomed or Science means that Monash med is out of the picture. So doing things at Monash gives you more options.Yep pretty much the reason I chose Monash haha.
From next year onwards you need to have studied a Monash degree to get into the graduate Monash course, so doing Melbourne Biomed or Science means that Monash med is out of the picture. So doing things at Monash gives you more options.
If I don't get into monash biomedical science but I do get into science would it be a good option to do one year and then transfer to biomedical science? So I have more of a chance for graduate med at monash since 50 places are reserved for biomedical science students.
Definitely. Howeve,r you may not get credited for the 1st year of biomed science at monash so you might have to start from year 1.
Yeah you don't, so I will have to start from year 1.I'm contemplating it myself tbh...
I'm contemplating it myself tbh...How are you guys finding the travel to get to monash? is it too far for example
How are you guys finding the travel to get to monash? is it too far for exampleIsn't as bad as everyone makes it seem. I usually do pre-readings or watch lectures on the train and if not I listen to music - time flies literally. I don't have uni everyday as well which makes it even more convenient.
is it possible to transfer from melb biomed to monash biomedical science, or would one have to restart from year 1?
Question for any student who does medicine at monash, roughly, what percentage of the time in the course are you doing clinical experience as opposed to lectures/learning stuff. I heard someone say that a lot of the anatomy/physiology/pathology has to be studied and self - taught. Thanks :D
Today, AMSA discussed the changes to the BMP and MRBS with the Federal Department of Health.
1. Current MRBS and BMP Students will NOT be offered the opportunity to move to new BMP contracts with a 1-year Return of Service. Students will need to fulfil the contracts that have been signed.
2. Future BMP Students from 2016 will have one-year return of service. The DoH did not provide comment on the motivation behind the decision to bond students for one year rather than the current four to six years.
3. No detail could be provided at this stage on the value, quantity, or eligibility requirements for the new Health Workforce Scholarships. There will be a tender process for administration of the scholarship, and distribution will allocated based on workforce need.
Follow AMSA Rural Health or email [email protected] for more updates or questions.
Unless you go for UNSW med you can't transfer in the middle of your undergrad, so people slog it out for 3 years before they can finally apply with a GPA and GAMSAT. Lots of people can change their study habits etc during that time. You still have to be a good student so it's not easy (a 75-80 avg will get you in the running for some schools).Thanks for the information! Definitely looks like year 12 is the best way to do it imo, I guess I should get off an and start studying then ahah
Graduate entry is still as competitive (if not, maybe less so) as getting into undergrad med. More schools are turning to graduate entry so you might have more options, you don't have the pressure of a single year's results bearing down on you, and you can sit the GAMSAT multiple times before you graduate.
Thanks for the information! Definitely looks like year 12 is the best way to do it imo, I guess I should get off an and start studying then ahah
Some changes to places with the new budget.
tl;dr MRBS has been scrapped and BMP is no longer the length of your medical degree. Not sure if this is going to help address rural medicine in the long-term.
Undergrad entry isn't going anywhere, despite my low opinion of it.Shit mane
What we're saying is that the old government system that offered large scholarships to students willing to commit to rural practice has been removed. It's been replaced with a system that reduces the commitment to a single year but eliminates the scholarship.
The government also committed to opening a new medical school in WA, presumably because they want to be elected for a second term.
Undergrad entry isn't going anywhere, despite my low opinion of it.
anyone know the median GPAs/GAMSAt score of people who got into/or got interviews at UoM Med last year?
The only info I can find is from 2012; GPA of 6.6 and GAMSAT of 65
I'd assume requirements increase slightly each year.
Some changes to places with the new budget.
tl;dr MRBS has been scrapped and BMP is no longer the length of your medical degree. Not sure if this is going to help address rural medicine in the long-term.
Why are they changing the system? Wouldn't 1 year ROS make the shortage of doctors in rural areas worse? Or is there a monetary reason for this... ?
Just a slightly off topic question:
Approximately how much time do you get for yourself/family/friends, etc as a med student/fully educated doctor?
Just a slightly off topic question:
Approximately how much time do you get for yourself/family/friends, etc as a med student/fully educated doctor?
Hello everyone, I am just wondering if anyone had tips for MMI interviews because I have a few interviews from overseas medical schools in December. Also I am wondering what should I say when they ask me 'why do you wish to study medicine?' At the moment I can only think of 2 things: I am interested in biology and chemistry and like helping people.
Many thanks
Hi,
I wanted to get into medicine since the start of this year however I never thought I would get a good enough atar to even be considered for the course, therefore I didn't do the umat.
But I have gotten my atar now and it's higher than the required atar for the Monash guarantee medicine course which is 94 plus the umat score of 175. I've met all the other prerequisites tho. So I'm just looking for advice as I am very confused on what to do. I'm thinking of doing biomedical science and then getting into medicine hopefully. If anyone has gotten into medicine that way can they please give some advice on what I should do?!!
Idk if this is the right place to ask but I received an interview at monash for med, however the course is at the bottom of my preference list? So is going to the interview pointless then, since the preferences cannot be changed now, right?
Can you keep resitting the UMAT if you don't make it through the first time, and be studying, for example, a Bachelor of Science at the same time?
Similarly, can you keep resitting the GAMSAT if you don't get in the first time? What do you do while you do this in terms of university?
Can you keep resitting the UMAT if you don't make it through the first time, and be studying, for example, a Bachelor of Science at the same time?
Similarly, can you keep resitting the GAMSAT if you don't get in the first time? What do you do while you do this in terms of university?
Just in terms of the Bonded Rural thing you do after uni, is it 1 year (according to the person that started this sub forum) or 6 years according to law. I would like to do this pathway, but I'm not sure about the whole 6 years thing. Anyone got any advice or clarification on the amount of years we spend in a rural area.
You can't resit UMAT and study bachelor of science at the same time. UMAT is for undergrad medicine and you can't apply for undergrad medicine if you are doing a bachelor degree already. There are some exceptions. University of Adelaide, University of Western Sydney and James Cook university have non-standard entry. You can apply for their medicine programs in first year uni (you cannot apply in second year or beyond). But be aware that there are very limited places and university of Adelaide prefers accepting their own students (such as dental students studying in UoA). Most people resitting UMAT would defer their degree and take a gap year after year 12 to "study" for UMAT. Some people succeed and some people don't.
You can resit GAMSAT numerous times during uni. Some people take GAMSAT twice within a year and end up doing GAMSAT 4-6 times.
You can't resit UMAT and study bachelor of science at the same time. UMAT is for undergrad medicine and you can't apply for undergrad medicine if you are doing a bachelor degree already. There are some exceptions. University of Adelaide, University of Western Sydney and James Cook university have non-standard entry. You can apply for their medicine programs in first year uni (you cannot apply in second year or beyond).
How did this advice go uncorrected. You can apply to UNSW, WSU, JMP, JCU, UTas in 1st year, 2nd-3rd year or even after you have completed a Bachelor degree, at these unis or elsewhere.
UTas is phasing out this pathway from 2018 but in return you can apply to Curtin if you have completed a degree (1st-3rd year is for Curtin students only).
Just in regards to non-Standard entry, do you need to enrol into an undergrad course in the university to which you are applying for med, or will they take anyone?
Wait why wouldn't you use MedEntry products? Aren't they really good?
I came back to tidy up my inbox and stumbled in here for the nostalgia. I guess my optimistic prediction of the media improving their coverage of healthcare didn't eventuate, but there certainly has been interesting reporting recently on the twin issues of doctor burnout and workplace culture.
If anybody has any particular questions about the industry after graduation and training, I'm happy to answer them before I go away again!
Hello! I'm an aspiring medical student and I am a little confused about what happens after doing bachelor of medical science, doctor of medicine, then internship. Do you have to study a course for a further 3 years to become a GP??
After going through the process of becoming certified, progressing in the field, etc. would you say it is something you would do again/suggest to others?
In your opinion, what is the best and worst part of it? Do you enjoy the constant opportunity to learn and teach in a constantly changing work environment?
How important is it to have contacts in the industry?
Overall, would you say that the stress/workload can become overwhelming at times?
Do you believe that the coverage of Dr Kadota’s experience will have an impact on how doctors are treated or will this just be another spark that will fizzle out in a few weeks?
Do you think there are specific specialities that are relatively immune to such experiences?
What do you personally think can be done to improve hospitals and their treatment of doctors and how would such a change come about?
Hi! So I am seriously *this* close to wanting to drop Methods. In terms of getting into Monash Med, it won't really affect things too much. I am 100% aware of undergrad pre-med courses like Biomed and Science which do require Methods, but I don't feel like they're even worth it anymore, even if I (very likely) don't get into Med. With that context, my questions are:
1) How much maths do I really need for medical school?
2) How much maths do psychiatrists use as part of their occupation?
3) Any alternative undergrad courses?
Is someone able to give me some general pros and cons of studying undergrad medicine straight out of Year 12?
For Medicine at Monash, can you do Literature as your "English" Subject and would you still have to get a 30 for it?
Also, which would be more beneficial if you're looking into getting into Medicine: English or Literature?
What is the maximum time that you would travel to do medicine at Monash Uni (undergrad)?
Would 2 hours on public transport each way be too much? And which campus do you study at exactly?
Also I just wanted to ask, what's the minimum ATAR and UCAT score that a person who goes to a disadvantaged school get and still get into undergrad medicine?
Also I just wanted to ask, what's the minimum ATAR and UCAT score that a person who goes to a disadvantaged school get and still get into undergrad medicine?
any extracurricular activities that would be helpful towards your application? Would it be a huge determining factor?Nah, it wouldn't be too much of a determining factor. Personally I am not a fan of students doing extracurricular activities for the sole reason of an application or an interview.
What is the maximum time that you would travel to do medicine at Monash Uni (undergrad)?
Would 2 hours on public transport each way be too much? And which campus do you study at exactly?