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Any NBA discussion is welcome here! or any basketball discussion for that matter :)
Thoughts on this offseasons, trades, free agent signings and the draft?
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Offseason - Loved it (my two favourite teams are the Celtics and Mavs) so:
C's: Loved the Hayward signing, #1 pick trade was ehhh but Tatum is turning out to be a beast, i figure his career trajectory might be just under Fultz's so i think it depends on who the C's pick with that extra pick that makes the difference.
Mavs: Dennis Smith Jr is going to be the best #9 pick since Dirk (going to be an all-star and comparable to Hayward/Walker, my opinions are so biased lel).
Irving on the Cavs will turn out to be very interesting, will be intriguing to see who they flip him off for.
The rookies this year seem absolutely amazing, can definitely see Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox and Smith turning out to be beasts. Maybe an imitation of the 2003 draft although no LBJ this draft imo
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Offseason - Loved it (my two favourite teams are the Celtics and Mavs) so:
C's: Loved the Hayward signing, #1 pick trade was ehhh but Tatum is turning out to be a beast, i figure his career trajectory might be just under Fultz's so i think it depends on who the C's pick with that extra pick that makes the difference.
Mavs: Dennis Smith Jr is going to be the best #9 pick since Dirk (going to be an all-star and comparable to Hayward/Walker, my opinions are so biased lel).
Irving on the Cavs will turn out to be very interesting, will be intriguing to see who they flip him off for.
The rookies this year seem absolutely amazing, can definitely see Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox and Smith turning out to be beasts. Maybe an imitation of the 2003 draft although no LBJ this draft imo
haha offseason is more intersting than the regular season
I think the best trade possible is Irving to the suns for eric bledsoe and josh jackson. Also maybe wiggins for irving but would need to add something else to make the trade to work. However kyrie won't sign an extension to the team that he is traded too so destroys his trade value.
yeah definitely this draft class looks great even dwayne wade even compared it to the 2003 draft as well. but yeah lebron is a once in a life time talent. My rookie of the year prediction is Lonzo Ball since he can make everyone on his roster better (also because I love pass-first point guards) and should have a much improved record. Although still probably won't make the playoffs.
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what are your thoughts on the kyrie trade?
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NBA is a business.
Really feel for IT as a Celts fan...
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what are your thoughts on the kyrie trade?
Generally the teams which gets the best player (kyrie) wins the trade but in this case imo the cavs won the trade mainly because they ended up getting the 2018 nets pick (potentially top3/ definitely a lottery pick) in which they will probably deal and try to get another genuine starter in their bid to keep lebron.
Considering the cavs were trading from a position of weakness I'm suprised the celtics had to give up so much.
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hayward's injury :'( :'(
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hayward's injury :'( :'(
This was the guy from the Celtics that dislocated his ankle (and fractured his tibia), yeah?
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This was the guy from the Celtics that dislocated his ankle (and fractured his tibia), yeah?
Yeah so unlucky basically 5 mins into the new season (small piece of good news is it isn't career ending -people have come back from similar stuff - paul george) it's pretty graphic if anyone is going to look it up :-\
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It's so sad :( very appropriate reaction from the Cavs fans, so props to them.
Pretty good that the Celts ran the Cavs down to a 3 point game at their home court. They don't have IT back but we didn't have hayward for most of the game so pretty evenly matched i reckon.
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Trying to revive this thread-what do you think of the NBA as of today
Finals Predictions?
MVP?
Personally, im happy that the cavs are back on track, the pistons will not stay at the top of the east, philly is playoff bound, golden state is not going to make it through the west unscathed, the T-wolves are gonna improve on defense eventually
AND WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE THUNDER
Coming from a thunder fan here!
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Cavs vs GSW/HOU in the finals, still don't see the Cs beating LBJ until Hayward comes back
Would love to see the Cavs winning it all, but my $$$ would still be on GSW
LBJ's having a monster season, but I think Harden will take out the MVP.
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Cavs vs GSW/HOU in the finals, still don't see the Cs beating LBJ until Hayward comes back
Would love to see the Cavs winning it all, but my $$$ would still be on GSW
LBJ's having a monster season, but I think Harden will take out the MVP.
With Cp3 back, i don't know if harden will actually win mvp, but he's up there.
I reckon lebron could actually take it, he's defying time at the moment.
I reckon an improved thunder team and a rockets team with cp3/harden that plays defense, and a spurs team with kawahi and LA (as he's playing rn) will give the warriors a run for their money.
If IT comes back healthy, i agree with you, cavs should still go through, but until then (and provided tatum, brown continue their current play) the C's could give them a good fight.
Also GIANISS FOR MVP
Simmons for ROTY
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Trying to revive this thread-what do you think of the NBA as of today
Finals Predictions?
MVP?
Personally, im happy that the cavs are back on track, the pistons will not stay at the top of the east, philly is playoff bound, golden state is not going to make it through the west unscathed, the T-wolves are gonna improve on defense eventually
AND WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE THUNDER
Coming from a thunder fan here!
#trusttheprocess hopefully embiid stays healthy
my predictions
Finals Cavs/Warriors (although I hope for houston to win the west and cavs win the finals)
MVP: leBron, he is statistically playing better than his MVP season where he was 1 vote shy of being the first unanimous MVP.
Simmons: ROTY (not even a prediction atm)
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#trusttheprocess hopefully embiid stays healthy
my predictions
Finals Cavs/Warriors (although I hope for houston to win the west and cavs win the finals)
MVP: leBron, he is statistically playing better than his MVP season where he was 1 vote shy of being the first unanimous MVP.
Simmons: ROTY (not even a prediction atm)
Embiid is a monster (if healthy), him and KAT are the future of the center position.
I really hate how we can't safely bet on anyone but the warriors reaching the finals, but im really hyped about the potential of this rockets team.
Lebron is just...i've given up on describing him, its just rediculous
And as much as simmons is good, i hate him for his inability to shoot. The only way i'd play him is if i surround him with 4 shooters, even then...GET A JUMPSHOT
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Embiid is a monster (if healthy), him and KAT are the future of the center position.
I really hate how we can't safely bet on anyone but the warriors reaching the finals, but im really hyped about the potential of this rockets team.
Lebron is just...i've given up on describing him, its just rediculous
And as much as simmons is good, i hate him for his inability to shoot. The only way i'd play him is if i surround him with 4 shooters, even then...GET A JUMPSHOT
LeBron is...the GOAT?
I'd rather not be able to predict with high accuracy who will make the finals this early.
hmm jordan and lebron both couldn't shoot early in their careers no reason why simmons can't develop a jumper although his FT% is concerning.
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LeBron is...the GOAT?
I'd rather not be able to predict with high accuracy who will make the finals this early.
hmm jordan and lebron both couldn't shoot early in their careers no reason why simmons can't develop a jumper although his FT% is concerning.
Thats true, i hadn't thought about that. I still think gianiss is better. I agree about his FT%, it really should be higher. Even i shoot free throws better than he does!
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Thats true, i hadn't thought about that. I still think gianiss is better. I agree about his FT%, it really should be higher. Even i shoot free throws better than he does!
giannis can't shoot too :P he is defs better though since it's year 5 vs year 1. Probs just personal preference but i like simmons better. (moreso the way he plays the game)
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giannis can't shoot too :P he is defs better though since it's year 5 vs year 1. Probs just personal preference but i like simmons better. (moreso the way he plays the game)
I find beauty in the fact that gianiss' doesn't use huge amounts of skill to get his buckets. He doesn't have a great handle like kyrie, or the bulldozing strength of lebron. But you still can't stop him at all. Plus if both gianiss and simmons were to both get jumpshots, gianiss would still be better
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I find beauty in the fact that gianiss' doesn't use huge amounts of skill to get his buckets. He doesn't have a great handle like kyrie, or the bulldozing strength of lebron. But you still can't stop him at all. Plus if both gianiss and simmons were to both get jumpshots, gianiss would still be better
giannis would be statistically better but simmons would be way more valuable to the team.
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what would everyone's all time starting 5 look like?
I'd go
PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Lebron James
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
I don't think I could be persuaded to change anything here tbh
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what would everyone's all time starting 5 look like?
I'd go
PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Lebron James
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
I don't think I could be persuaded to change anything here tbh
PG: Stockton (maybe magic)
SG: Gary Payton
SF: Lebron
PF: Bird
C: Shaq
That would give you a run for your money
Also, KD FOULED LEBRON IN THAT GAME, it was so crap
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30k points for LBJ
but still waiting for the cavs to make a trade :(
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30k points for LBJ
but still waiting for the cavs to make a trade :(
Cavs aren't making the finals this year in this state.
Wayyyyyy too many problems atm
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warriors in 5
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Cavs aren't making the finals this year in this state.
Wayyyyyy too many problems atm
hmm whilst they would get swept or lose 4-1 to either GSW or houston in the finals I don't see anyone else really contending in the east. They are a different team in the playoffs and Cavs mid seasons woes have happened in the past three years but still ended up nearly sweeping each year to the finals.
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hmm whilst they would get swept or lose 4-1 to either GSW or houston in the finals I don't see anyone else really contending in the east. They are a different team in the playoffs and Cavs mid seasons woes have happened in the past three years but still ended up nearly sweeping each year to the finals.
They had a different team back then.
And i can see a disciplined boston team taking the east
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PG was snubbed
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PG was snubbed
Alot of deserving players got snubbed. Not everyone can get in
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Alot of deserving players got snubbed. Not everyone can get in
I know but I'm not sure how certain players, such as horford, can make it in over others like drummond
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horford's team is the 1st seed whilst drummond's is 9th.
This year i don't think there were any actual "snubs" tho. Lot of people deserve it (especially in the west) but only limited spots.
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anyone have predictions for the playoffs
This is what i'm gonna go with
First round winners:
West: Houston/OKC/Portland/Spurs
East: Toronto/Cleveland/Philly/Boston
Second round winners:
West: Houston/Spurs
East: Cleveland/Philly
West winner:Houston
East winner:Cleveland
NBA finals:Cleveland (however obvious underdog against basically every team in the west)
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I agree with the 1st round picks, except i believe Indiana has a chance to top Cleveland and Milwaukie has a small chance of beating Boston. The Spurs/Warriors series is a 7 gamer i reckon. So much top heavy talent vs the most solidly reliable and disciplined team of the last 20 years
Since my fave team is OKC I'm gonna say their second round match up will go the distance i reckon.
If the Spurs edge the warriors, then i reckon they'll face another 7 game series against a hot Portland team, and they'll eventually lose
So Houston vs Portland in the conf finals with Houston winning.
Philly's gonna beat either Boston or Milwaukie and advance to the east finals.
If Cleveland wins round 1, they'll beat Toronto, but if Indy wins, i reckon Toronto goes through.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say Philly makes the finals ;D
In the end, Houston comes out on top.
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I think the warriors will win. No way lebron gets knocked out in the first round.
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agreed with DBA-144 I definitely don't see lebron losing a first round - he hasn't lost a first round GAME in 6 years.
Houston obviously look the strongest and would like to see them in the finals but definitely still some questions on a D'Antoni team with Harden/CP3 which historically do well in the regular season but go missing in the playoffs.
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Any NBA discussion is welcome here! or any basketball discussion for that matter :)
Thoughts on this offseasons, trades, free agent signings and the draft?
Ohh awesome!!
I have been searching for this thread for so long now!
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What does everyone think Lebron will do with his free agency?
Some of the more popular options seem like he'll move to Philly, LA, GSW or resign with Clevland.
Tbh I don't think he'll go to Philly, they're too young of a team and even though they have a heck of a lot of talent, I feel like Lebron knows how much mentoring he'll be expected to do.
Lakers seem like a big option for him, but I think he'll only go there if another star like PG or Kawhi sign with him.
GSW is definitely an option, although they have A LOT of bench they need to unload to make room for him, and tbh probably isn't feasible when they already have a stacked team.
I think he'll resign with Clevland. The only major issues they have is with GM and the coaching staff, and tbh are probably the most talented team in the East. They still have the first round draft pick, so could pick up a decent rookie at the draft, and have a lot of bench players they can unload. I reckon if they trade off TT and JR for someone cheap, they will then have enough room for another star like PG or Kawhi. Cedi has a lot of potential, and a lot of coaches know that so if Cavs traded him, a center/forward like J Green, Ante or Perkins they would probably get a decent shooting guard or point guard as well as someone else in return. I also think everyone forgets the fact that Lebron is one of the, if not the, best player currently in the league, and no matter where he is he has the influence to convince players to come to his team to build a super team. If he leaves he will get a lot of hate like he did at Miami, and considering the free agencies coming up and the possibility for trades, I think the best option for Lebron would be to resign and work with GM to build a stronger team.
Honestly though as a Cavs fan I feel this might be a little bias lol, but what do you guys all think?
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as a current cavs fan ;) (only for Lebron though I don't care much for the organisation -which is pretty dodgy)
As for lebrons free agency I'd say
Cavaliers: only chance would be if they win the title then he would most likely do a 1 year deal with another 1 year as a player option. A lot of the roster's contracts are horrendous so very hard to get any good trades through.
Philadelphia: imo the best destination for him he would be able to lead them for maybe 2-3 years and then play behind Embiid/Simmons once they get closer to their potential.
Houston: good short term option but CP3 is old for a short point guard and don't know how long he will be at a top level
GSW: unlikely since it would destroy his legacy
LA: does lebron want to deal with ball family circus? so I would feel he would only come if they get either Kawhi/PG13 and also ship lonzo.
San Antonio: Probably would've been the best fit (outside of marketing) given the coaching and organisation but Kawhi will probably force a trade.
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as a current cavs fan ;) (only for Lebron though I don't care much for the organisation -which is pretty dodgy)
As for lebrons free agency I'd say
Cavaliers: only chance would be if they win the title then he would most likely do a 1 year deal with another 1 year as a player option. A lot of the roster's contracts are horrendous so very hard to get any good trades through.
Philadelphia: imo the best destination for him he would be able to lead them for maybe 2-3 years and then play behind Embiid/Simmons once they get closer to their potential.
Houston: good short term option but CP3 is old for a short point guard and don't know how long he will be at a top level
GSW: unlikely since it would destroy his legacy
LA: does lebron want to deal with ball family circus? so I would feel he would only come if they get either Kawhi/PG13 and also ship lonzo.
San Antonio: Probably would've been the best fit (outside of marketing) given the coaching and organisation but Kawhi will probably force a trade.
Haha don't worry that's the original reason I started following Cavs but tbh they've grown on me and I can't see myself supporting anyone else unless Clevland really gets in the crap.
Philadelphia: Would be a good option for him however, even though Simmons plays point guard, he's very similar to Lebron and it would be difficult to run plays with them both together.
Houston: Have a lot of contracts to unload before they have room for Lebron and probably isn't worth it, especially when they already have Harden and a lot of potential in their other players.
GSW: Yeah would destroy him, and they have sooo much bench to get rid of before they have room for him and would probably be close to not having enough players to play, and would need to get rid of one of Curry/KD/Draymond/Klay
LA: Nah Lebron loves Lonzo, but yeah probably wont go unless another star comes however there is a lot of young talent for him to play with + a max salary + another star like PG + being coached by Magic and having Kobe there as a mentor would be very very tempting for him.
SA: Nah, way too many issues going on around them, would probably be another repeat of Clevland.
Hopefully he resigns though
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Haha don't worry that's the original reason I started following Cavs but tbh they've grown on me and I can't see myself supporting anyone else unless Clevland really gets in the crap.
Philadelphia: Would be a good option for him however, even though Simmons plays point guard, he's very similar to Lebron and it would be difficult to run plays with them both together.
Houston: Have a lot of contracts to unload before they have room for Lebron and probably isn't worth it, especially when they already have Harden and a lot of potential in their other players.
GSW: Yeah would destroy him, and they have sooo much bench to get rid of before they have room for him and would probably be close to not having enough players to play, and would need to get rid of one of Curry/KD/Draymond/Klay
LA: Nah Lebron loves Lonzo, but yeah probably wont go unless another star comes however there is a lot of young talent for him to play with + a max salary + another star like PG + being coached by Magic and having Kobe there as a mentor would be very very tempting for him.
SA: Nah, way too many issues going on around them, would probably be another repeat of Clevland.
Hopefully he resigns though
Well lebron "officially" plays SF but it's really a point-forward, personally I want him to go to Philadelphia, simmons would be the main ball handler and maybe lebron would actually play as a regular SF and bring the ball up when simmons is resting.
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Well lebron "officially" plays SF but it's really a point-forward, personally I want him to go to Philadelphia, simmons would be the main ball handler and maybe lebron would actually play as a regular SF and bring the ball up when simmons is resting.
Yeah but then if they were going to play Markell in the pg that would take away Simmon's role as ball handler, so it'd be more like Joel C, LBJ Sf, SImmons Pf, JJ Sg and Markell Pg
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Finally the playoffs have come after a long (somewhat redundant) regular season.
Any predictions?
Pretty happy with how the WEST standings turned out - now GSW will most likely have to play both houston and denver.
Since Lebron didn't make the playoffs I'll be hoping Toronto get far - didn't start too well though.