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Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 02, 2007, 02:27:03 pm
Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that if any of you need help with further, just let me know, just post your question(s) here and I'll help you with it :)

 :D
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: flywithme on November 02, 2007, 04:26:55 pm
ahhh i may take you up on that offer this weekend  :D
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 02, 2007, 04:49:48 pm
Quote from: "flywithme"
ahhh i may take you up on that offer this weekend  :D


Sure thing :)
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: maxleng on November 03, 2007, 08:40:53 am
could you plz explain Q9 2006 exam 1 Geo + Trig

only qn i got wrong in that exam  :x

i initialy thought it would be an isoceles but realised it cant be...

edit: also do you have the answers for the 2006 sample? or can u post what u got so i can compare (aparently they dont make answers for VCAA sample exams)
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 09:22:43 am
Quote from: "maxleng"
could you plz explain Q9 2006 exam 1 Geo + Trig

only qn i got wrong in that exam  :x

i initialy thought it would be an isoceles but realised it cant be...

edit: also do you have the answers for the 2006 sample? or can u post what u got so i can compare (aparently they dont make answers for VCAA sample exams)


Um I don't do geo and trig sorry... i suck at bearings lol

As for the sample I havent done it just yet... I'll do it asap :)

http://itute.com/mathline/2006_vcaa_fm_exam1_sol.pdf
They show you how to work out Qn 9
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: maxleng on November 03, 2007, 10:39:14 am
thanks... yeh im just about to start the 06 sample too, internet is too distracting lol
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 10:40:40 am
Quote from: "maxleng"
thanks... yeh im just about to start the 06 sample too, internet is too distracting lol


Tell me about it lol... i'll probably work on exams later today, i think better at night :P lol
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: maxleng on November 03, 2007, 01:55:13 pm
k so i did them..

Core:
A, B, B, B, C

Geo:
D, C, C,

Bus Math:
D, C, B,

Networks:
B, A
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: joechan521 on November 03, 2007, 02:20:19 pm
Quote from: "maxleng"
could you plz explain Q9 2006 exam 1 Geo + Trig

only qn i got wrong in that exam  :x

i initialy thought it would be an isoceles but realised it cant be...

edit: also do you have the answers for the 2006 sample? or can u post what u got so i can compare (aparently they dont make answers for VCAA sample exams)


draw the diagram
its basicly like this

| ---------------M
|
|
|
O
|
|
|            
| ----------P
 
therefore the bearing of P from M is between 180 to 270
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Defiler on November 03, 2007, 02:32:58 pm
Okay Odette, here is your chance to help me out.

I just did the VCAA 2006 paper (part 1) and got 36/40.

The questions I got wrong were...

Core - Q10
Number Patterns - Q6, Q9
Matrices - Q7

No questions incorrect for graphs, which is comforting.

So... if you could guide me through those questions it would much appreciated, thanks!
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 02:34:08 pm
Quote from: "maxleng"
k so i did them..

Core:
A, B, B, B, C

Geo:
D, C, C,

Bus Math:
D, C, B,

Networks:
B, A


I did the core,geo, and bus man, i dont do networks ...

I got:
Core-
A,B,B,B,C
Geo-
A,C,C
Bus-
D,C,B
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: maxleng on November 03, 2007, 02:35:09 pm
joechan521 i think i got it,

becuase P is 152T its 62 past 90 where as M is 52 behind 90 (imagine 90 as being perpendicular with O) so that means P is closer to the vertical and M more 'further out' given there the same length..

i just had problem on which would be futher out the M or the P, geting the bearings from that is easy, thanks!

edit: oddete

i dont see how u got C for q4,core... did u do .5675 x (67.98/8.67) ??

and geo q1, x = 34.6/tan(23) ??
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: joechan521 on November 03, 2007, 02:39:37 pm
Quote from: "Defiler"
Okay Odette, here is your chance to help me out.

I just did the VCAA 2006 paper (part 1) and got 36/40.

The questions I got wrong were...

Core - Q10
Number Patterns - Q6, Q9
Matrices - Q7

No questions incorrect for graphs, which is comforting.

So... if you could guide me through those questions it would much appreciated, thanks!


CORE 10
its asking for april
so therefore you get 3 data from march april and may which are 35,99,75
find the average [35+99+75]/3 about 70 therefore C

MATRIX 7
many ways to do it

graph the 2 equations
if they intersect = a unique solution
2 parallel lines = no unique solution

or other way to do it.
rearange the 2 equations in y=mx+c form
if same gradient = no unique solution
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Defiler on November 03, 2007, 02:48:50 pm
Thanks joechan... added them in my 'notes' part of the textbook. Now for those number pattern ones Odette =]
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 02:58:30 pm
Quote from: "Defiler"
Okay Odette, here is your chance to help me out.

I just did the VCAA 2006 paper (part 1) and got 36/40.

The questions I got wrong were...

Core - Q10
Number Patterns - Q6, Q9
Matrices - Q7

No questions incorrect for graphs, which is comforting.

So... if you could guide me through those questions it would much appreciated, thanks!



Ok well I'm not too sure about the matrices question, but I can help you with the others...

CORE-
10. C
35+95+75=205
205/3=68.333
which is closest to 70

Number Patterns-
6. E
t15=12 x 1.03 ^14
t15=18.2

9.E
S∞ = a/1-r , a=0.4, r= 0.95
S∞ = 0.4/1-0.95
     = 8
=> 73.4 + 8
    = 81.4

Sorry about that...
Hope the others make sense, if they don't let me know
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 03:01:20 pm
Quote from: "maxleng"
joechan521 i think i got it,

becuase P is 152T its 62 past 90 where as M is 52 behind 90 (imagine 90 as being perpendicular with O) so that means P is closer to the vertical and M more 'further out' given there the same length..

i just had problem on which would be futher out the M or the P, geting the bearings from that is easy, thanks!

edit: oddete

i dont see how u got C for q4,core... did u do .5675 x (67.98/8.67) ??

and geo q1, x = 34.6/tan(23) ??


Sorry, made a mistake on Q4 of Core...
As for the Geo Q1=> I think it's tan 23=x/34.6  (depression not elevation) Could be wrong though :S lol
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: kjg on November 03, 2007, 05:39:01 pm
yeah this is completely testing my brain capacity

i just spent an hour finding the residual button

i already knew where it was
but now i am stressing haha

i hate residual plots

i dislike calculators because they don't do what i try to get them to do
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 05:40:58 pm
Quote from: "kjg"
yeah this is completely testing my brain capacity

i just spent an hour finding the residual button

i already knew where it was
but now i am stressing haha

i hate residual plots

i dislike calculators because they don't do what i try to get them to do


Lol...
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: kjg on November 03, 2007, 06:05:33 pm
yeah really not looking forward to this
not to mention i have a nagging little brother pestering me every 5 minutes

not the best place to try and study, at home
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: maxleng on November 03, 2007, 06:17:02 pm
Quote from: "Odette"
Quote from: "maxleng"
joechan521 i think i got it,

becuase P is 152T its 62 past 90 where as M is 52 behind 90 (imagine 90 as being perpendicular with O) so that means P is closer to the vertical and M more 'further out' given there the same length..

i just had problem on which would be futher out the M or the P, geting the bearings from that is easy, thanks!

edit: oddete

i dont see how u got C for q4,core... did u do .5675 x (67.98/8.67) ??

and geo q1, x = 34.6/tan(23) ??


Sorry, made a mistake on Q4 of Core...
As for the Geo Q1=> I think it's tan 23=x/34.6  (depression not elevation) Could be wrong though :S lol


hmm, did u measure from the horizontal, then using co interior angles, 23 will be bottom right angle (hard to explain w/o drawing) so opp=34.6 and adj=x

TOA => tan(23) = 34.6/x
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 06:19:55 pm
Quote from: "maxleng"
Quote from: "Odette"
Quote from: "maxleng"
joechan521 i think i got it,

becuase P is 152T its 62 past 90 where as M is 52 behind 90 (imagine 90 as being perpendicular with O) so that means P is closer to the vertical and M more 'further out' given there the same length..

i just had problem on which would be futher out the M or the P, geting the bearings from that is easy, thanks!

edit: oddete

i dont see how u got C for q4,core... did u do .5675 x (67.98/8.67) ??

and geo q1, x = 34.6/tan(23) ??




Sorry, made a mistake on Q4 of Core...
As for the Geo Q1=> I think it's tan 23=x/34.6  (depression not elevation) Could be wrong though :S lol


hmm, did u measure from the horizontal, then using co interior angles, 23 will be bottom right angle (hard to explain w/o drawing) so opp=34.6 and adj=x

TOA => tan(23) = 34.6/x


No no um it was A=34.6 O=x lol ...

Code: [Select]

   23 degrees (*)
      *
      |\
 34.6 | \
      |__\
        x


If that makes sense lol ..
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: maxleng on November 03, 2007, 06:24:28 pm
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/retroflector/aaaaaaaaaa.jpg)

edit: ur measuring the angle of depresion wrong, it has to be measured FROM THE HORIZONTAL  :)
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 03, 2007, 06:34:11 pm
Quote from: "maxleng"
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/retroflector/aaaaaaaaaa.jpg)

edit: ur measuring the angle of depresion wrong, it has to be measured FROM THE HORIZONTAL  :)


Oh i see ... lol
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Defiler on November 04, 2007, 03:32:36 pm
Thanks for the help on the last questions... I just have 2 more questions.

Further maths exam (VCAA) '05

Core - Q10
Graphs - Q9

Thanks for any assistance!

Edit: I am doing the further vcaa exams '02 to '04 right now so if I come across anymore 'tricky' ones I'll post them up, begging for help.  :P

Double Edit: Does anyone have any 'commercial' modules (other than neap and itute) for matrices? I feel like doing just 2 or 3 modules of that isn't enough. Ta!
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 04, 2007, 03:47:58 pm
Quote from: "Defiler"
Thanks for the help on the last questions... I just have 2 more questions.

Further maths exam (VCAA) '05

Core - Q10
Graphs - Q9

Thanks for any assistance!

Edit: I am doing the further vcaa exams '02 to '04 right now so if I come across anymore 'tricky' ones I'll post them up, begging for help.  :P

Double Edit: Does anyone have any 'commercial' modules (other than neap and itute) for matrices? I feel like doing just 2 or 3 modules of that isn't enough. Ta!


Can you like post the questions because vcaa site isnt working atm ... ?
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 04, 2007, 05:13:29 pm
CORE-
Qn 10-
B. x-points : 1,2,3,4,5 => median is 3
    y-points : 0,1,2,4,5 => median is 2
    coordinates: (3,2)

GRAPHS-
Qn 9-
A. I= k/d^2
    20 x 50^2 =k
    50000 =k
(5,2000) => 2000=k/5^2
                  50000=k
Therefore the coordinates satisfy the equation (hope that makes sense)

Hope that helps sorry about the delay, I only got the VCAA 05 Exam :P
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: SilverBullet on November 04, 2007, 06:16:29 pm
Can we take in potractors?
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Dolche on November 04, 2007, 06:18:57 pm
For the matrices question, we know that a unique solution is when the determinant does not equal to 0.

x=8,y=2 is a unique solution as they have already told us that x is 8 and y is 2 thus no need to apply the rule (det=ad-bc)

I think thats right?

i got question 9 wrong (2006 VCAA-matrices). if you put the values into the calc T^50, T^60 etc the figures keeps on increasing so shouldn't the answer be E-gradually increases?
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Dolche on November 04, 2007, 06:22:30 pm
Is the trial exam (2007) from itute meant to be hard? vcaa exams will generally be of a lower standard (in terms of difficulty) than commercial papers?
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 04, 2007, 06:27:53 pm
Quote from: "Dolche"
Is the trial exam (2007) from itute meant to be hard? vcaa exams will generally be of a lower standard (in terms of difficulty) than commercial papers?


VCAA exams are easier than most commercial papers :)
I think you can bring in a protractor, not sure though =]
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Dolche on November 04, 2007, 06:30:16 pm
did they say last year's exam is easy? u reckon this yr's going to b pretty much the same or harder?
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 04, 2007, 06:32:13 pm
Quote from: "Dolche"
did they say last year's exam is easy? u reckon this yr's going to b pretty much the same or harder?


Well I don't know how easy/hard it will be, but it cant be harder than the commercial ones
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Dolche on November 04, 2007, 06:34:34 pm
hmm lets hope it'll b alright. best of luck to you and to all our fellow free study notes further peeps :)
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 04, 2007, 06:35:04 pm
Quote from: "Dolche"
hmm lets hope it'll b alright. best of luck to you and to all our fellow free study notes further peeps :)


Thanks you too =]
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Defiler on November 05, 2007, 08:40:32 am
One last question guys.

Q7 Numbers and Patterns.

A shrub, 20 cm high, was planted in a pot. After it was planted in the pot its height increased by 8cm in the first month, by 4cm in the second month and by 2cm in the third momnth.' Assuming this pattern of growth continues... the max height the shrub will grow to is?

Correct answer: B) 36cm

I got 40, using the a/1-r, assuming r was 0.5 and a was 20?

Hopefully someone can clear this up before they go!
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: dxb on November 05, 2007, 08:53:37 am
Quote from: "Defiler"
One last question guys.

Q7 Numbers and Patterns.

A shrub, 20 cm high, was planted in a pot. After it was planted in the pot its height increased by 8cm in the first month, by 4cm in the second month and by 2cm in the third momnth.' Assuming this pattern of growth continues... the max height the shrub will grow to is?

Correct answer: B) 36cm

I got 40, using the a/1-r, assuming r was 0.5 and a was 20?

Hopefully someone can clear this up before they go!



A is actually 8, as its the "FIRST MONTH", so using that you would get 16. 16 +20 = 36
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Defiler on November 05, 2007, 08:58:16 am
Quote from: "dxb"
A is actually 8, as its the "FIRST MONTH", so using that you would get 16. 16 +20 = 36


Cheers. I've now made that mistake a few times and I shouldn't now. GL!
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 05, 2007, 09:03:12 am
Quote from: "dxb"
Quote from: "Defiler"
One last question guys.

Q7 Numbers and Patterns.

A shrub, 20 cm high, was planted in a pot. After it was planted in the pot its height increased by 8cm in the first month, by 4cm in the second month and by 2cm in the third momnth.' Assuming this pattern of growth continues... the max height the shrub will grow to is?

Correct answer: B) 36cm

I got 40, using the a/1-r, assuming r was 0.5 and a was 20?

Hopefully someone can clear this up before they go!



A is actually 8, as its the "FIRST MONTH", so using that you would get 16. 16 +20 = 36


Yeah that's right =] well done dxb =]
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: Odette on November 05, 2007, 09:06:33 am
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK GUYS AND GIRLS !!

1hr and 40 mins til the exam!!!
Title: Further Maths Help
Post by: reg on November 05, 2007, 10:07:03 am
Half an hour!