My school charges $20,000 a year, and printing in colour costs like 70 cents. Right.
Anyway, VN is similarly banned for us. Most likely because of the complete ban on forums though.
My school charges $20,000 a year, and printing in colour costs like 70 cents. Right.
Anyway, VN is similarly banned for us. Most likely because of the complete ban on forums though.
Tell me, what makes the school so good (apart from facilities) that is worth $20000 a year, when obviously not even printing credit is included!? I never really understood the point of private schools...
More to the topic, our school hasn't banned VN...no one goes on apart from me (at least I think) :P
My school charges $20,000 a year, and printing in colour costs like 70 cents. Right.
Anyway, VN is similarly banned for us. Most likely because of the complete ban on forums though.
Tell me, what makes the school so good (apart from facilities) that is worth $20000 a year, when obviously not even printing credit is included!? I never really understood the point of private schools...
More to the topic, our school hasn't banned VN...no one goes on apart from me (at least I think) :P
Most of that $20 000 is the reputation I think. Your mostly paying for the reputation that elite private schools have garnered through their notable alumni, outstanding VCE results, etc. I mean, when someone says that they go to a grammar school, pretty much everyone has heard of it. Whereas if you say I go to "So and So Secondary College", most people just go, "Who?"
Also, the school's also got staff salaries to pay as well and that $20 000 does help. :)
My school charges $20,000 a year, and printing in colour costs like 70 cents. Right.
Anyway, VN is similarly banned for us. Most likely because of the complete ban on forums though.
Tell me, what makes the school so good (apart from facilities) that is worth $20000 a year, when obviously not even printing credit is included!? I never really understood the point of private schools...
More to the topic, our school hasn't banned VN...no one goes on apart from me (at least I think) :P
Most of that $20 000 is the reputation I think. Your mostly paying for the reputation that elite private schools have garnered through their notable alumni, outstanding VCE results, etc. I mean, when someone says that they go to a grammar school, pretty much everyone has heard of it. Whereas if you say I go to "So and So Secondary College", most people just go, "Who?"
Also, the school's also got staff salaries to pay as well and that $20 000 does help. :)
I think for many parents, a lot of it is more about the kinds of people their children end up hanging with since this definitely helps to determine how their children will turn out to an extent. With the exception of perhaps Xavier in recent history, you could say that most of the private schools would probably provide peace of mind (or at least, more peace of mind) for parents in this regard.
My school charges $20,000 a year, and printing in colour costs like 70 cents. Right.
Anyway, VN is similarly banned for us. Most likely because of the complete ban on forums though.
Tell me, what makes the school so good (apart from facilities) that is worth $20000 a year, when obviously not even printing credit is included!? I never really understood the point of private schools...
More to the topic, our school hasn't banned VN...no one goes on apart from me (at least I think) :P
Most of that $20 000 is the reputation I think. Your mostly paying for the reputation that elite private schools have garnered through their notable alumni, outstanding VCE results, etc. I mean, when someone says that they go to a grammar school, pretty much everyone has heard of it. Whereas if you say I go to "So and So Secondary College", most people just go, "Who?"
Also, the school's also got staff salaries to pay as well and that $20 000 does help. :)
I think for many parents, a lot of it is more about the kinds of people their children end up hanging with since this definitely helps to determine how their children will turn out to an extent. With the exception of perhaps Xavier in recent history, you could say that most of the private schools would probably provide peace of mind (or at least, more peace of mind) for parents in this regard.
I'd say that's pretty much it. I mean, not to sound pretentious or anything, but there are a lot of absolutely amazing people at my school, like kids who've already gotten perfect SAT scores, kids who do Spesh in year 9, kids who are already more or less professional actors or singers, etc.
Not only that, but there are just some ridiculously awesome opportunities presented - the school orchestra has played for the Queen of England and (more recently, last year on orchestra tour) the ex-King of Malaysia, and our sporting teams are often on par with professional ones (our 1sts Rowing Crew actually broke the national record).
You do get the unfortunate side effects of inherent elitism (if you thought what I wrote sounded stuck-up, wait until you see some other kids at school), but really it's well worth the investment if you can afford it.
The other thing is that I'm on a scholarship, so I only have to 40% of the $20,000 anyway. >_>
I'd say that's pretty much it. I mean, not to sound pretentious or anything, but there are a lot of absolutely amazing people at my school, like kids who've already gotten perfect SAT scores, kids who do Spesh in year 9, kids who are already more or less professional actors or singers, etc.Heh the other week I met Alan Stockdale's step-son at a LAN, he was fairly arrogant giving us life lessons and shit. Very articulate though (he's in your year level yeah? Peter Collins?)
kids who are already more or less professional actors or singers, etc.*COUGH* summer heights high, Vincent? *COUGH*
It would be rather amusing if you were Peter Collins, but I'm inclined to think you're not.Heh that it would
It would be rather amusing if you were Peter Collins, but I'm inclined to think you're not.I'm defs not that wranger
It would be rather amusing if you were Peter Collins, but I'm inclined to think you're not.Heh that it would
What was your part in Summer Heights High EvangelionZeta? I'm gonna watch it now lol only asian I can remember is the kid who goes "he rang me up and copied my entire essay and handed it in to the teacher the next day", was that you?
I would definitely agree that fantastic students should be able to excel regardless of their educational institution - people on this forum like Mao prove that. However, in saying that, I feel that private schools are perhaps better at drawing out the latent talents of the "lesser" students better; there's more encouragement to participate in what the school offers on the whole.
I would definitely agree that fantastic students should be able to excel regardless of their educational institution - people on this forum like Mao prove that. However, in saying that, I feel that private schools are perhaps better at drawing out the latent talents of the "lesser" students better; there's more encouragement to participate in what the school offers on the whole.
It really depends on the school. I went to a private school until the end of year 8 and found the environment stifling, but I thrive on the range of activities offered at my (rather atypical) state school.
I would definitely agree that fantastic students should be able to excel regardless of their educational institution - people on this forum like Mao prove that. However, in saying that, I feel that private schools are perhaps better at drawing out the latent talents of the "lesser" students better; there's more encouragement to participate in what the school offers on the whole.
It really depends on the school. I went to a private school until the end of year 8 and found the environment stifling, but I thrive on the range of activities offered at my (rather atypical) state school.
You probably wouldn't know it.
I felt incredibly restricted at my old school: I remember feeling either forced to participate in activites (the music director once lectured me on how it was my obligation to perform in the concerto concert, even though I wasn't learning a concerto at the time) or sensing that there wasn't the opportunity to create events that suited my interests. The school was also quite rigid in terms of academics: my year 7 science teacher banned me from asking questions in class because most of them were beyond the scope of the secondary school course. I also recall a certain english teacher marking down one of my essays because my vocabulary was too sophisticated. Apparently she wasn't familiar with some of the terms that I was employing. I explained to her how to use a dictionary. To be honest, I don't really think that helped our rocky relationship...
Not at all. I was just really inquisitive, and liked to read about a variety of concepts. Unfortunately the aforementioned teacher almost destroyed my fascination in science.
And the general consensus among all of the students was that the English teacher was terrible. She was quite hypocritical - our class would churn through pages of grammar exercises, but her emails would be riddled with non-standard punctuation, orthography and sytax, to put it nicely...
You were allowed to do Quantum Physics in year 7, EZ? I'm. So. Envious.
which episode were u in?It would be rather amusing if you were Peter Collins, but I'm inclined to think you're not.Heh that it would
What was your part in Summer Heights High EvangelionZeta? I'm gonna watch it now lol only asian I can remember is the kid who goes "he rang me up and copied my entire essay and handed it in to the teacher the next day", was that you?
Yeah, that's me. The nasally tone in my voice and Asian tones have improved remarkably since. (:
Slightly off the topic flow but my cousin went to a private school that charged around $15000. It doesn't have much of a reputation but ranks in the top 15 private schools every year. Anyway joke was that $10000 of everyone's school fees went to the photocopier room. They had 3 or 4? industrial photocopiers that were each the size of a small car and the Xerox truck would come every 2 weeks or so and deliver probably a forest of paper boxes. For VCE exam prep, the school (unlike stingy MHS) printed off practice exams full size so every kid had one of the xerox boxes to take home happily.
I know other private schools just don't photocopy to begin with; my friend at Xavier got a folder of like 20 real copy exams straight from the companies.That's what we got, though we only got 4 exams. Much better than photocopied exams to be honest, feel soooo much better
To add to this point, a friend of mine goes to a public school and got given 1 practice psychology paper from their school, whereas my school gave us 16. I am speaking purely from what former public school students have told me, as I have never attended a public school. This is just what I hear.
right, i go to a public school and i have been given 10psychology practice exams, and we are starting full revision practice exams this week meaning more to come. point still proven? what you hear is different from what you experience, thus don't use what you hear as a point.
from what I have heard, in public schools this is not always the case.
I agree with you ngRising, However this is the weird thingTo add to this point, a friend of mine goes to a public school and got given 1 practice psychology paper from their school, whereas my school gave us 16. I am speaking purely from what former public school students have told me, as I have never attended a public school. This is just what I hear.
right, i go to a public school and i have been given 10psychology practice exams, and we are starting full revision practice exams this week meaning more to come. point still proven? what you hear is different from what you experience, thus don't use what you hear as a point.
oh, woops. i couldn't extract the part some public schools from the generalisation you made.lol. +1from what I have heard, in public schools this is not always the case.
Lets add some evidence to the debate. This ones for all the public students out there :)
From experience (and note that it only mentions 1st year specifically), the higher scores for public school students is more a result of private school students' mentalities - to quote a friend, in first year they tend to think they're "top shit" because of their private education and as a result don't put in as much effort into Uni because they think they'll breeze through it like with VCE. Hence private school students tend to do a lot better than they did 1st year come 2nd year onwards...
Saying that public schools are better
sorry i missed it. who said public schools are better. im a bit tired. i've only read comparisons in terms of pratice exams etc. :S
sorry i missed it. who said public schools are better. im a bit tired. i've only read comparisons in terms of pratice exams etc. :S
Assumed it from magnum's post
From experience (and note that it only mentions 1st year specifically), the higher scores for public school students is more a result of private school students' mentalities - to quote a friend, in first year they tend to think they're "top shit" because of their private education and as a result don't put in as much effort into Uni because they think they'll breeze through it like with VCE. Hence private school students tend to do a lot better than they did 1st year come 2nd year onwards...
Why are we arguing over which schools print out more trial exams lol
Lets add some evidence to the debate. This ones for all the public students out there :)
http://www.monash.edu.au/news/newsline/story/350
Public school students perform well at university
6 April 2005
A study released today by Monash University researchers Ian Dobson and Eric Skuja has found students from public schools outperform those from private schools when they reach university.
Mr Dobson said a survey of 12,500 first year Monash University students revealed public school students who left Year 12 with lower marks than their private school rivals overtook them academically at university.
"Once on a level playing field, students from non-selective government schools tend to do much better," he said.
"Private school students have an advantage at exam time in Year 12 because they have access to more resources. However, this advantage evaporates when they reach university."
The report found that once at university, public school students performed better academically in their first year compared with private school students who received similar ENTER scores.
"We found that, on average, government school students performed about five percentage points better than students from independent schools," Mr Dobson said.
The study confirmed that private school students generally received higher Year 12 marks than those from the public system but showed that any edge gained was lost in the first year of a bachelor degree.
Mr Dobson said the report had implications for university admissions and policies.
The report, called 'Secondary schooling, tertiary entry ranks and university performance', will be released in the April edition of People and Place, distributed by Monash University's Centre for Urban Research and Population Studies.
The report can be accessed at http://elecpress.monash.edu.au/pnp/view/issue/?volume=13&issue=1.
This year however, I've noticed a BIG change in attitudes. All of a sudden, people wanted to do good!! Surprise, surprise... And now those receiving the high marks are envied for their hard-work and what not. haha and that's the story of a typical public school.
Why are we arguing over which schools print out more trial exams lol
Lets add some evidence to the debate. This ones for all the public students out there :)
http://www.monash.edu.au/news/newsline/story/350
Public school students perform well at university
6 April 2005
A study released today by Monash University researchers Ian Dobson and Eric Skuja has found students from public schools outperform those from private schools when they reach university.
Mr Dobson said a survey of 12,500 first year Monash University students revealed public school students who left Year 12 with lower marks than their private school rivals overtook them academically at university.
"Once on a level playing field, students from non-selective government schools tend to do much better," he said.
"Private school students have an advantage at exam time in Year 12 because they have access to more resources. However, this advantage evaporates when they reach university."
The report found that once at university, public school students performed better academically in their first year compared with private school students who received similar ENTER scores.
"We found that, on average, government school students performed about five percentage points better than students from independent schools," Mr Dobson said.
The study confirmed that private school students generally received higher Year 12 marks than those from the public system but showed that any edge gained was lost in the first year of a bachelor degree.
Mr Dobson said the report had implications for university admissions and policies.
The report, called 'Secondary schooling, tertiary entry ranks and university performance', will be released in the April edition of People and Place, distributed by Monash University's Centre for Urban Research and Population Studies.
The report can be accessed at http://elecpress.monash.edu.au/pnp/view/issue/?volume=13&issue=1.
lol this is true.
Just wait until you get into a good uni and have access to great resources, your marks will go up. I even get marks near par with some people who got 40's for specialist maths.
This is why uni's are trying to decrease ENTER dependency and rely more on your uni GPA when you apply for a post-grad degree.
From experience (and note that it only mentions 1st year specifically), the higher scores for public school students is more a result of private school students' mentalities - to quote a friend, in first year they tend to think they're "top shit" because of their private education and as a result don't put in as much effort into Uni because they think they'll breeze through it like with VCE. Hence private school students tend to do a lot better than they did 1st year come 2nd year onwards...
I believe
Lol I find this funny. It's people like that (not you EZ) who think they're "top shit" that make me want to get a high enter. I have nothing against private schools... just the conceited attitudes which generally radiate from them :P
Anyway, I really believe teachers have a significant impact on the education you receive. Personally, I love every single teacher I have this year and so learning is enjoyable and engaging.
Yeah it's true a public school environment isn't as stimulating as that of a private school's... but I've found that only to be the case UP TO year 12. What I found was that in year's 7-10, the general consensus of students was that I've you studied or got good grades, you were a 'nerd'...and so that restricted MANY from reaching their full potential. Then years 10-11 were when the sifting process began...things began to improve (slightly) as the rebels of the year level drop out for apprenticeships or went to VCAL. This year however, I've noticed a BIG change in attitudes. All of a sudden, people wanted to do good!! Surprise, surprise... And now those receiving the high marks are envied for their hard-work and what not. haha and that's the story of a typical public school.
Btw, going back to what I said about the student making the school, have a look at Glen Waverly. Their average study score every year is almost on par with MHS, MacRob and other elite private schools. I remember a few years back my friend telling me something like 7 people from G.W. got 99.95 in the one year...which needless to say is absolutely crazy!
It would be nice if every public school performed like Glen Waverly though.
I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).
I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).
That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.
I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).
That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.
I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).
That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.
:O
Are people allowed to do that?
If my parents owned a company and offered me a high job that I had no qualifications for, I don't think I could accept it. I will feel so bad. And I wouldn't compently do my job. I'd rather work casually at a bottom level place at the company while going to uni.
I think some ex-private school students would feel less motivated to study because regardless of how they do they will still have significant financial backup (although i think the 'financial backup' private school students have is frequently exaggerated).
That's a good point - I have friends who didn't even bother going to university because they were guaranteed management-level jobs at their parents' companies etc.
:O
Are people allowed to do that?
If my parents owned a company and offered me a high job that I had no qualifications for, I don't think I could accept it. I will feel so bad. And I wouldn't compently do my job. I'd rather work casually at a bottom level place at the company while going to uni.
Are people allowed to do that?
If my parents owned a company and offered me a high job that I had no qualifications for, I don't think I could accept it. I will feel so bad. And I wouldn't compently do my job. I'd rather work casually at a bottom level place at the company while going to uni.