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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => Other General Discussion => Topic started by: 98.40_for_sure on November 21, 2010, 11:54:26 am
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My driving test for P's is next month and yesterday i pulled out my logbook, i realised i've recorded the damn TRIP READING not the odometer.
so instead of having 134000 to 134050, i've had 23 to 73 etc
i hit 140 hours a year ago and stopped recording ever since but now i'm screwed... can't get another 120 hours in time for the test.
What should i do? I was thinking of calling up vicroads and seeing what i should do. I dont wanna rock up on the day of my test and they dont let me sit the driving because my logbook didn't pass.
thanks
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definitely call them, you'd want to have that sorted out so the only thing you have to worry about is the driving part.
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It's best to let them know prior to the test, they'll probably understand (the book isn't all that good in explaining some parts).
I had to buy another book cos I misread it and didn't add the total night time into the total driving time so yea there was like 30hrs difference in the end.
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Since you recorded the trip reading and it's thus still a record of how many kilometres you travelled, they may well be fine with it. But yeah, speak to them now. Also make sure your car is okay for the drive test, I had to book an RACV car for it :(
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It's best to let them know prior to the test, they'll probably understand (the book isn't all that good in explaining some parts).
I had to buy another book cos I misread it and didn't add the total night time into the total driving time so yea there was like 30hrs difference in the end.
:O adding total night time into total driving time? what do you mean? shit... i hope i didnt get that wrong as well
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It's best to let them know prior to the test, they'll probably understand (the book isn't all that good in explaining some parts).
I had to buy another book cos I misread it and didn't add the total night time into the total driving time so yea there was like 30hrs difference in the end.
:O adding total night time into total driving time? what do you mean? shit... i hope i didnt get that wrong as well
like on the left you would usually write the total time (eg. 140 hrs), then on the right if you didn't drive during the night you would write 0, then the total night time (eg. 30hrs). Instead of adding it together (eg. 170 hrs) I left them both separate so in the end the Total Driving Time was short 30 hrs
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Basically, when you drive at night it has to be added to night driving and to total driving, not just to night. I did that as well the first few times.
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Ahh i hope vicroads are human beings and not relentless like vcaa. How would i call them up? As in who do i ask to speak to? "the guy who sorts out logbook problems?"
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Call them, sit through 10 minutes of menus, get a human operator.
The option you want is "drive test queries" but it's still a huge wait, especially since everyone has booked them in the lead up to Christmas
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Mm i just sent an enquiry through their website. If i don't get a reply within the next few days ill call them up. Maybe i could just rock up to my test, play dumb and maybe they'll let it slide since the hours are all legit? From other people who have got their Ps, they said they just flick the book and don't really care since they go through hundreds of them each week and just cant be bothered checking properly.
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How much extra do you think it's necessary to have?
I was hoping that if I had done like, 135 hours? before my test then this would be enough to make sure I would have enough even if they cut stuff out.
But how many entries can you expect they won't accept?
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Basically, when you drive at night it has to be added to night driving and to total driving, not just to night. I did that as well the first few times.
same, I lost a lot of hours but had enough to not worry about fixing it when I realised.
Since so many have made this mistake they should explicitly write down not to do it.
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Ok so vicroads emailed me back and all they said was this
"incomplete or incorrect logbook results in a loss of booking/test fees AND cannot rebook the probationary test for a further 6 weeks"
So i just ordered a new logbook cos these guys are complete fags and i can just see myself getting screwed over on test day. Wondering if anyone knows how long the replacement logbook takes to come to your house? If it takes weeks... i'm gonna go ram my car through every vicroads office's front door -_-
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No clue, I just went to the department and bought another one
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No clue, I just went to the department and bought another one
Where is this? -_- the site says nothing about it being available anywhere besides vicroads ONLINE bookshop. bloody hell these guys are such cunts
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I just went to take my hazards test 2 days ago and while I was waiting at the counter I saw like 1000000 books on a shelf, never heard of buying it online :P
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If it takes weeks... i'm gonna go ram my car through every vicroads office's front door -_-
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I just went to take my hazards test 2 days ago and while I was waiting at the counter I saw like 1000000 books on a shelf, never heard of buying it online :P
Bloody.... :TICKEDOFF: my hazards is on monday, shoulda thought about buying one on the spot since they do stack them all over the walls. instead now i wait patiently for a package to arrive in the mail with my ticket to freedom.
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You don't need your logbook to sit your hazard test
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You don't need your logbook to sit your hazard test
True, But 99 the hazard is a bitch IMO. You don't know if you are doing anything right until the very end, since you get no feedback. Biggest suggestion I can give you is to remember that they love to have stuff obscured behind trucks so before you click to turn make sure you wait for a clear view.
Also before your drive test, practise reverse parallel and think about getting a driving instructor for a single lesson to make sure you are doing everything right (I had things that I needed to fix up).
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You don't need your logbook to sit your hazard test
I meant purchase a logbook after my hazards since im already at the centre and they would have books there.
You don't need your logbook to sit your hazard test
True, But 99 the hazard is a bitch IMO. You don't know if you are doing anything right until the very end, since you get no feedback. Biggest suggestion I can give you is to remember that they love to have stuff obscured behind trucks so before you click to turn make sure you wait for a clear view.
Also before your drive test, practise reverse parallel and think about getting a driving instructor for a single lesson to make sure you are doing everything right (I had things that I needed to fix up).
Isn't the hazards meant to be hard to fail though? 54% to pass? I was going to do some practice simulations the night before and it should be enough. Im worried about the drive test though since i drive an auto, but im doing the test in a manual. Stall = go home :(
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If you're even barely competent the hazards test is easy. There are some stupid ones but you can pass easily.
Have you driven in a manual at all? Because if you haven't then I definitely wouldn't be trying to do the test in one...
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Have you driven in a manual at all? Because if you haven't then I definitely wouldn't be trying to do the test in one...
I've done about... 5 hours in a manual. Probably done 4 times the required 120 hours in total so driving skills isn't an issue. Just the stalling :P I heard they are really anal when it comes to manual, deducting marks for little things such as driving with one hand for too long (not putting 2nd hand back on the wheel straight after shifting)
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That's not anal that's just safety. One handing driving is dangerous for a reason.
But yeah for manual, just change gears smoothly and you should be fine. They'll deduct marks for jolting changes, so clutch in all the way before you gear shift.
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If you fail your Ps, do you have to wait 6 weeks before you can re-do them? Or is that only if your logbook is deemed unacceptable
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You don't need your logbook to sit your hazard test
I meant purchase a logbook after my hazards since im already at the centre and they would have books there.
You don't need your logbook to sit your hazard test
True, But 99 the hazard is a bitch IMO. You don't know if you are doing anything right until the very end, since you get no feedback. Biggest suggestion I can give you is to remember that they love to have stuff obscured behind trucks so before you click to turn make sure you wait for a clear view.
Also before your drive test, practise reverse parallel and think about getting a driving instructor for a single lesson to make sure you are doing everything right (I had things that I needed to fix up).
Isn't the hazards meant to be hard to fail though? 54% to pass? I was going to do some practice simulations the night before and it should be enough. Im worried about the drive test though since i drive an auto, but im doing the test in a manual. Stall = go home :(
The prac simulations are only compatible with WinXP or under (not W7 or Vista), however you do get free time to do the same simulations before you start the test as many times as you like. It's not that difficult but some of the "SAFE" times are generally not I would normally do in real life (eg slow down near a roundabout driving@25km). Other then that most of the questions are simple
If you fail your Ps, do you have to wait 6 weeks before you can re-do them? Or is that only if your logbook is deemed unacceptable
You gotta wait 6 weeks if you fail any of the processes prior to getting your P's (excluding the hazards)
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Recommend doing my Ps test in an auto? In the car i drive now and will be driving throughout my probationary period? Or should i risk it and go for a manual test in a car i've never driven.
Also with the parallel reverse parking, it's not sandwiched between two cars right? there's just one? cos i dont wanna assram some guys front end with the vicroads assessor there =/
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I havn't taken my Ps test yet (got it at the start of Jan), but from what I know it could be any parking test so you should practise them all while you have the time especially parallel between two cars (the hardest one!).
IMO go with auto since you've got most of your driving experience with it. It would be a shame to fail the manual test when you are a perfectly capable with automatic. But really its up to you, do you want to drive manual next year?
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I plan to drive the same auto im driving now for the whole of my uni period (hope it even lasts that long), but i wanna be safe and be able to drive a manual. So if i wanna go out at night ill borrow my bros car :P
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It won't be between two cars. It's either a parallel behind a car where you're allowed to reverse up to 7 meters behind it IIRC (meaning it's best to just stay wide of the curb, reverse really really far back, then just drive forward and approach the curb), or do a 3 point turn (just remember to do all the necessary headchecks, mirror checks and signalling for each point). Personally got the 3 point turn so I was pretty happy with that. Only thing to really watch out for and perhaps practice is doing the parallel on a hill because I don't think you're allowed to roll too much, meaning you either need to have a fast foot, or you can just make use of the handbrake.
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If you're even barely competent the hazards test is easy.
Personally I found it insanely hard due to:
The Lack of feedback
The incompetence of a computer monitor to accurately show your surroundings (I don't know how it is im Malbourne but here I had a CRT and the video quality was crappy, pixellated everything,)
The car having a set speed that is shown to you, so when it says 60km/ph, it's not like you know just how fast it will be moving.
Either way this could have just been me.
parallel parking is quite lenient, there is only one car and as shinny has said you have 7 metres and I think 5 changes of gear. You are supposed to be 30cm from the kerb and stop the car turn it off and tell them that you are done but when i did mine she just opened the door and told me to head off without even having turned the engine off.
I was really lucky as I took the same route that the instructor took me on and also had to park behind the exact same car as with my instructor.
Remember your headchecks.
Good luck
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Personally I found it insanely hard due to:
The Lack of feedback
The incompetence of a computer monitor to accurately show your surroundings (I don't know how it is im Malbourne but here I had a CRT and the video quality was crappy, pixellated everything,)
The car having a set speed that is shown to you, so when it says 60km/ph, it's not like you know just how fast it will be moving.
How I see it; it's easy to pass, difficult to score well in. Everyone seems to get around ~70% on it. But yeh, the computer monitor is ridiculous. Was going at 60 km/h and I approached a speed sign which I couldn't read because it was too blurry. Definitely said either 50 or 60 but I didn't know which one >< The lack of feedback is actually more likely to improve your performance by not making you agitated during the exam. Imagine if you had a buzzer go off every time you got a question wrong in your VCE exams...
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Hazards is pretty damn hard... just scraped a pass this morning. Screen is horrible can't even see the orange lights til you're right in front of it. 1 down 1 to go :D
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t when i did mine she just opened the door and told me to head off without even having turned the engine off.
Mine didn't, he just said "make the car safe" which is apparently neutral + handbrake on
But yeah the drive test isn't hard, it just requires you to be technically good at driving - headchecks, merging, mirrors etc.
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Did you manual Russ? Apparently stalling only deducts marks not instant fail?
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Hazards is pretty damn hard... just scraped a pass this morning. Screen is horrible can't even see the orange lights til you're right in front of it. 1 down 1 to go :D
Grats, how'd you go? I got 67% LOL.. didn't know if I was supposed to slow down (normally I wouldn't) and lack of practise etc.
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Yeah I'm manual.
Stalling...depends on the situation. If you stall in a busy intersection and create an unsafe situation then I think they'll consider that a termination. If you stall pulling out of your parking spot, they're much more lenient. Either way, you definitely don't want to be stalling, it's a big indicator that you don't have good car control
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64 here. i didnt know what to do for those ones in the country how there's 1 lane and 2 cars going opposite direction. It says click when to slow down =/
Yeah I'm manual.
Stalling...depends on the situation. If you stall in a busy intersection and create an unsafe situation then I think they'll consider that a termination. If you stall pulling out of your parking spot, they're much more lenient. Either way, you definitely don't want to be stalling, it's a big indicator that you don't have good car control
Do you downshift when coming into intersections? I'm worried about overrevving and BOOM engine :(
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Yes, I (try to) take all intersections and give way signs in 2nd gear. You can get away with third sometimes, but when you slow to ~20 for the corner then it'll chug and you need to rev harder.
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I've been told by one person to "ride the clutch" around corners to make it smoother, but i heard elsewhere that any time the clutch is not fully pressed in or released it is being damaged/worn out? Can you enlighten me? :)
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Riding the clutch is never a good thing, it destroys it...
Doing it round corners might make it a bit smoother but it gives you much less control of the car (ie you can't use the accelerator properly)
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Do you have to repair/replace your clutch often? I know an auto gearbox costs a few thousand but a shitty driver behind the wheel of a manual will end up screwing the clutch up a lot more, thus thinner wallet anyway?
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Yes, I (try to) take all intersections and give way signs in 2nd gear. You can get away with third sometimes, but when you slow to ~20 for the corner then it'll chug and you need to rev harder.
Definitely use 2nd gear. I only use third gear if it's a very long turn and I don't have to slow down to 20 km/h or if I'm half-way turning and I need to change to 3rd gear.
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Yeah 3rd gear is for when I'm being a bad driver (as is starting in 3rd lol)
And as for the clutch, if you don't abuse it then you won't have to replace it. If you grind your gears etc. then it's a few grand
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Mm... i'm a bad multitasker, maybe i should stay away from manuals. Everytime i drive manual i seem to forget something else like indicators and bloody morons beep at me when i'm starting off at the lights. I HAVE YELLOW PLATES!
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Manuals are just awesome to drive. Soooo much enjoyment comes out of nailing corners and getting the power down out of a turn.
I recently smelted the clutch in my nissan X trail, cost me $1,648.70 to fix ;D. Admittedly, I took her four wheel driving after specialist exam 2, I was pretty excited and got bogged down in some pretty deep mud.
Ideally, You should rev-match and release the clutch as fast as possible to avoid wear.
Riding the clutch is bad
(however I'd expected the X-trail being a light 4wd to handle more than it did before it gave out.)
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Yeah 3rd gear is for when I'm being a bad driver (as is starting in 3rd lol)
And as for the clutch, if you don't abuse it then you won't have to replace it. If you grind your gears etc. then it's a few grand
Starting in third? It must have been a very, very, very, very steep hill and you were starting downhill. :P
On a similar note though, where I live is famous for steep inclines so starting in 2nd gear is... well, understandable.
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i like the guys who pretend they are driving manual. starting off at the lights in neutral so it rolls back a bit then into drive :P