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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => News and Politics => Topic started by: ninwa on December 03, 2010, 11:37:03 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-knocked-off-net-dns-everydns
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And the British Police are just about set to arrest Assanage.
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Shit's about to go down
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sad...
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The stuff on wikileaks needs to get mirrored everywhere on the internet
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Shows how democracy is just a facade! We all know whats happening beneath the curtains! Nuclear Weapons and Obama Bin Ladin in the meeting room with Hilary Clinton
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guardian.co.uk is 404ing during the Julian Assange live Q&A
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this is his attorney speaking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2MjnoRF7Qs
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here's the Q & A
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-wikileaks
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Shit's about to go down
Hell yeh, especially after Interpol is involved
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Apparently it's back up. It says it's moved to Switzerland although the domain suggests that it is still in Sweden and France.
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The DNS for wikileaks.whatever was taken down but you could still use the IP Address to get to the site (which I assume is still in europe somewhere) the wikileaks.ch site is obviously an alternative.
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Hope he isn't arrested. Only liars fear the truth.
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They said they would release the key for this insurance file if wikileaks/julian assanage were in danger. This is obviously the case so wheres the key :(
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Time for wikileaks China . . .
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Time for wikileaks China . . .
I'm sure they would have him murdered for that, if related to Russia as well. :crazy2:
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Time for wikileaks China . . .
I'm sure they would have him murdered for that, if related to Russia as well. :crazy2:
That's really my only criticism of wikileaks. Their virulent anti-US agenda focusing on democracy's imperfections comes at the expense of exposing far more heinous crimes at the hands of totalitarian China or neo-Stalinist 'Putin-stan'.
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Time for wikileaks China . . .
I'm sure they would have him murdered for that, if related to Russia as well. :crazy2:
That's really my only criticism of wikileaks. Their virulent anti-US agenda focusing on democracy's imperfections comes at the expense of exposing far more heinous crimes at the hands of totalitarian China or neo-Stalinist 'Putin-stan'.
Mmmm, be awesome if they could uncover anything telling related to Politkovskaya or Litvinenko
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Hope he isn't arrested. Only liars fear the truth.
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Time for wikileaks China . . .
I'm sure they would have him murdered for that, if related to Russia as well. :crazy2:
That's really my only criticism of wikileaks. Their virulent anti-US agenda focusing on democracy's imperfections comes at the expense of exposing far more heinous crimes at the hands of totalitarian China or neo-Stalinist 'Putin-stan'.
I imagine they would release such files if they had some. Out of curiosity, have they said how they find any of these files? Searching the bins of the Pentagon?
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Time for wikileaks China . . .
I'm sure they would have him murdered for that, if related to Russia as well. :crazy2:
That's really my only criticism of wikileaks. Their virulent anti-US agenda focusing on democracy's imperfections comes at the expense of exposing far more heinous crimes at the hands of totalitarian China or neo-Stalinist 'Putin-stan'.
I imagine they would release such files if they had some. Out of curiosity, have they said how they find any of these files? Searching the bins of the Pentagon?
Bradley Manning
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i doubt its only him, if it was him. there would certainly be others involved.
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WikiLeaks received a boost tonight when Switzerland rejected growing international calls to force the site off the internet.
Massive ++++ respect if they release China-related documents, but I highly doubt it, especially considering the so-called democratic countries are trying to block the site, calling for his arrest for terrorism, demanding his execution, calling for his 20-year-old son to be physically harmed or kidnapped in a bid to flush out his father etc. God knows what China would do to him / his family.
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Massive ++++ respect if they release China-related documents, but I highly doubt it, especially considering the so-called democratic countries are trying to block the site, calling for his arrest for terrorism, demanding his execution, calling for his 20-year-old son to be physically harmed or kidnapped in a bid to flush out his father etc. God knows what China would do to him / his family.
It's kind of sickening to see people acting as such. I hope the site stays up.
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As if law students did have enough to worry about when trying to get a job, career services at Boston University School of Law has pointed out another potential pitfall that may terrify its students. According to BU, merely reading the Wikileaks could cause you to fail security clearances necessary to get some types of government jobs.
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This is Appalling.
Our freedoms are unrestricted, yet of course through some bullshit loophole is the govt able to prosecute civilians for exercising their "god-given" rights.
Maybe the shit released is sensitive, yet if the government's of the world, especially america weren't so corrupt then there would be no need to fear such documents.
All this proves as someone above said, is that our democracy is a facade.
NWO!!!
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Maybe the shit released is sensitive, yet if the government's of the world, especially america weren't so corrupt then there would be no need to fear such documents.
Nonsense. Things can be secret without being illegal or unethical. Of the 250,000 leaked cables, how many indicated a corrupt government and how many were just regular, honest communications about situation X?
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I dont know, i didnt read all 250,000 documents... did you?
I never said that they couldnt be, all i said was that 'MAYBE' those documents released may potentially create hostility between nations. That is the only point against wikileaks i have, as i am totally for it.
Also, i never claimed that things which are kept in the dark hint at corruption.
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And this is one example of corruption:
http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html
"The cables show the extent of US spying on its allies and the UN; turning a blind eye to corruption and human rights abuse in "client states"; backroom deals with supposedly neutral countries; lobbying for US corporations; and the measures US diplomats take to advance those who have access to them."
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It was a rhetorical question, my point was that ipso facto most of the cables aren't evidence of some big conspiracy etc. Transparency in government is all well and good, but a complete lack of accountability in the process is a horrible idea
Also, i never claimed that things which are kept in the dark hint at corruption.
Maybe the shit released is sensitive, yet if the government's of the world, especially america weren't so corrupt then there would be no need to fear such documents.
Hmph.
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They may not be evidence of some big conspiracy, but they are undeniable proof of corruption.
And that is good enough to criticize the government.
And i agree with you, people should not jump to irrational conclusions that one fishy convo = global conspiracy.
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How are you defining corruption? Backroom deals are common place, and often made with the interest of a nation's prosperity.
Also, that line you quoted is a description by Assanage, I'd boldly say he is possibly one of the most biased person on this topic, I would not lightly believe his words just as is. Can you find any third party sources?
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British police arrest Assange
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British police arrest Assange
So it is done. Hope you've all downloaded the massive torrent dump from Pirate Bay. Can't wait to unlock more ugly secrets.
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Lolz, if VN goes down in the next 24 hours, it's your fault.
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Lolz, if VN goes down in the next 24 hours, it's your fault.
tbh, the torrent really isn't that great.
audio:9
video:5
movie:6
The picture quality is decent. Otherwise it'll take a few billion years for my slow Core 2 duo processor to decrypt.
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Tut. No American government career for you.
As if law students did have enough to worry about when trying to get a job, career services at Boston University School of Law has pointed out another potential pitfall that may terrify its students. According to BU, merely reading the Wikileaks could cause you to fail security clearances necessary to get some types of government jobs.
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Tut. No American government career for you.
Because the US government will track my ever changing ip address that routs to a new ISP station every time I logon.
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tooshay
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http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/
Small world, isn’t it? Julian Assange is the human face of Wikileaks – the organization that’s enabled whistle-blowers to reveal hideous war crimes and expose much of America’s foreign policy to the world.
He just happens to meet a Swedish woman who just happens to have been publishing her work in a well-funded anti-Castro group that just happens to have links with a group led by a man at least one journalist describes as an agent of the CIA: the violent secret arm of America’s foreign policy.
And she just happens to have been expelled from Cuba, which just happens to be the global symbol of successful defiance of American foreign policy.
And – despite her work in Sweden upholding the human right of gender equity – in Cuba she just happens to end up associating with a group openly supported by an admitted CIA agent who himself committed mass murder when he actively participated in the terrorist bombing of a jetliner carrying a Cuban sports team…an act that was of a piece with America’s secret foreign policy of violent attacks against Cuban state interests.
And now she just happens – after admittedly consensual sex – to have gone to Swedish authorities to report the sex ended without a condom…which just happens to be the pretext for Interpol to issue a “Red Notice” informing the world’s police forces of charges against Julian Assange.
Wait what... coincidence, bad source or just looking too far deep? So that woman accusing Assange just happens to be somehow connected to the CIA by a short distance. I think someone's going to make all this into a movie.
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lol ah thats so retarded... yeah this whole sex allegation by this woman is very fishy
my gut feeling is that this is all baloney, just to get him to shut up.
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They've only released ~900 cables out of around 250K and the rest of the WikiLeaks team would continue to operate even if Assange is arrested. So the shutting him up intention would be futile in the meantime.
`The truth will always win’ - Julian Assange writes
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mediadiary/index.php/australianmedia/comments/julian1/
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good im just very glad that wikileaks is going to be around!
i was just watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYHlaMZWf8 and he had consensual sex and the condom broke... and hes arrested (going to extreme lengths to arrest him) for this!
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good im just very glad that wikileaks is going to be around!
i was just watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYHlaMZWf8 and he had consensual sex and the condom broke... and hes arrested (going to extreme lengths to arrest him) for this!
Did they find anything they can charge him for in relation to wikileaks? Last time I heard on the news they were searching for something.
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good im just very glad that wikileaks is going to be around!
i was just watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYHlaMZWf8 and he had consensual sex and the condom broke... and hes arrested (going to extreme lengths to arrest him) for this!
Did they find anything they can charge him for in relation to wikileaks? Last time I heard on the news they were searching for something.
Nothing yet for WikiLeaks stuff since he's just publishing the cables and not the one stealing them. Just assassination threats from idiots on television and Julia Gillard speaking out of turn by labelling his actions as 'illegal' when they haven't found sufficient info to back this up.
Don't shoot the messenger, PM Julia Gillard is told
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/dont-shoot-the-messenger-pm-julia-gillard-is-told/story-fn775xjq-1225967281571?from=public_rss
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good im just very glad that wikileaks is going to be around!
i was just watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYHlaMZWf8 and he had consensual sex and the condom broke... and hes arrested (going to extreme lengths to arrest him) for this!
Did they find anything they can charge him for in relation to wikileaks? Last time I heard on the news they were searching for something.
http://smargus.com/2010/08/government-to-prosecute-wikileaks-founder-under-espionage-act-of-1917/
the Espionage Act? hopefully that doesn't work
^ good link yep agree with him
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I hear all wikileaks torrents were tracked by international agencies, within and out of America... so, probably not a good idea to be downloading them.
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Bank That Froze Julian Assange's Bank Account Has Now Been Taken Down By Hackers
lol
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Bank That Froze Julian Assange's Bank Account Has Now Been Taken Down By Hackers
lol
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6044/1291655391177.jpg)
Looks like someone has a personal army. =]
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1984
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Bank That Froze Julian Assange's Bank Account Has Now Been Taken Down By Hackers
lol
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6044/1291655391177.jpg)
Looks like someone has a personal army. =]
They jumped the gun though. Apparently the bank he was with required a permanent swiss address, he didn't have one so they closed his account. It wasn't a wikileaks related thing.
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Is anyone else slightly creeped out by the resemblance to Kafka's The Trial?
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Is anyone else slightly creeped out by the resemblance to Kafka's The Trial?
I remember watching that last year...
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1984
... I don't think it's quite that bad. He's been getting fair treatment from the judiciary from what I've seen.
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WikiLeaks: the Problem Is America's Imperial Foreign Policy
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1232
Focus on the Policy, Not WikiLeaks
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1231
WikiLeaks: Do You Side With the Empire?
WikiLeaks: Conformists vs. Individualists
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1229
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If the campaign for liberty instructed you to overthrow your government (Aussie gov't) to start their "revolution". Would you?
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no. but whats the point of the question? did u read the content of the links?
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no. but whats the point of the question? did u read the content of the links?
You seem to take everything they say as gospel, unquestioningly and almost sycophantically
EDIT: Also, no I did not, but that's not to say I haven't read articles arguing both for and against the validity of Wikileaks' actions... I just hunt down more reputable sources.
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well i dont always agree with every single thing they say but i just find it a very interesting read
thats good that you looked at those articles u might want to post them up... just I like those links i posted
and im sorry im attracted to that sites philosophy and that general ideology
and also if you read some of the articles they usually contain other links that are not from that website
also some of the articles posted are actually not originally from the site but they gather all the articles from different places into one place, thats also why i like the site.
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Bank That Froze Julian Assange's Bank Account Has Now Been Taken Down By Hackers
lol
Now Mastercard too lol. Paypal's not looking too good on the infowar front either.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/08/paypal-us-pressure-wikileaks-mastercard
Also, BOLIVIAN GOVERNMENT ROLLIN' WITH WIKILEAKS CABLES.
http://wikileaks.vicepresidencia.gob.bo/
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This isn't particularly helpful, but it's funny :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVt-WD-p950
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lol i really liked that ^
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Bank That Froze Julian Assange's Bank Account Has Now Been Taken Down By Hackers
lol
Now Mastercard too lol. Paypal's not looking too good on the infowar front either.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/08/paypal-us-pressure-wikileaks-mastercard
I am so proud of the Internet.
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Visa is down as well
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Opinion article: shutting down Wikileaks is impossible
Britain's senior district judge Howard Riddle said Swedish authorities would need to show some convincing evidence if they wanted to oppose bail for the 39-year-old Australian when he appears in court next Tuesday to oppose extradition to Sweden.
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Opinion article: shutting down Wikileaks is impossible
They'd pretty much have to shut down the internet to stop wikileaks mirrors from spreading.
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A fellow anon writes an opinion piece.
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2010/12/09/3089422.htm
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A fellow anon writes an opinion piece.
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2010/12/09/3089422.htm
That blog sounds completely revolutionary, and somewhat inspiring. I am sad that paypal went down though.
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If he does get eradicated I would feel so powerless in the world from then onwards. Like, the knowledge that Governments can violate us to such extremes despite this farcical concept of "The Law"
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If he does get eradicated I would feel so powerless in the world from then onwards. Like, the knowledge that Governments can violate us to such extremes despite this farcical concept of "The Law"
Maybe that's the reason why he's turned himself in? I daresay there are hired guns out there, and the safest way to escape to Sweden is to go through the official extradition.
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Mao you've put 1000 conspiracy ideas in my head now LOL.
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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s4/Toothpick00/base.jpg)
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LMAO +1
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There was a better article but here is an interview with John Young, one of WL's first founders and their biggest critic
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20011106-281.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/07/cryptome_on_wikileaks/
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I can't believe how stupid some of the american media is with their "cyber terrorist" bullshit. i LOLed at how the guy got owned by Ray McGovern in the second half of this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ1TOtApOqY&feature=topvideos
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forgot to post this
Australian media supports Assange:
Clinton Maynard, news director, 2UE
David Penberthy, editor-in-chief, news.com.au
Eric Beecher, chairman, Crikey, Smart Company, Business Spectator, The Eureka Report
Gay Alcorn, editor, The Sunday Age
Garry Bailey, editor, The Mercury (Hobart)
Garry Linnell, editor, The Daily Telegraph
Ian Ferguson, director of news and programs, Sky News Australia/New Zealand
Jim Carroll, network director of news and public affairs, Ten Network
Julian Ricci, editor, Northern Territory News
Kate Torney, director of news, ABC
Mark Calvert, director of news and current affairs, Nine Network
Melvin Mansell, editor, The Advertiser (Adelaide)
Megan Lloyd, editor, Sunday Mail (Adelaide)
Michael Crutcher, editor, The Courier Mail,
Mike van Niekerk, editor in chief, Fairfax online
Paul Cutler, news director, SBS
Paul Ramadge, editor-in-chief, The Age
Peter Fray, editor-in-chief, The Sydney Morning Herald
Peter Meakin, director of news and public affairs, Seven Network
Rick Feneley, editor, The Sun-Herald
Rob Curtain, news director, 3AW
Rod Quinn, editor, The Canberra Times
Sam Weir, editor, The Sunday Times
Scott Thompson, The Sunday Mail (Queensland)
Simon Pristel, editor, Herald Sun
Tory Maguire, editor, The Punch
Walkley Advisory Board
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oh wow.
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A lot of newspapers publish Wikileaks material as that is what makes money right now. To condemn it on one hand and publish it on the other would be a rather hypocritical stance.
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I can't believe how stupid some of the american media is with their "cyber terrorist" bullshit. i LOLed at how the guy got owned by Ray McGovern in the second half of this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ1TOtApOqY&feature=topvideos
That was a seriously impressive interview on McGovern's part.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBJOBl1G3Kc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mcSXge4Qo&feature=related
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Bradley Manning: underappreciated hero?
Under-Appreciated Person One: Bradley Manning. While we were all fixated on Julian Assange, the story of the young American soldier who actually leaked the classified documents passed almost unnoticed. If Manning was mentioned at all, it was to be described as an impetuous, angry kid who downloaded the documents on to a CD and leaked them as a result of a "grudge" or "tantrum".
Here's what really happened. Manning signed up when he was just 18, believing he would be protecting and defending his country and the cause of freedom. He soon found himself sent to Iraq, where he was ordered to round up and hand over Iraqi civilians to America's new Iraqi allies, who he could see were then torturing them with electrical drills and other implements.
The only "crime" committed by many of these people was to write "scholarly critiques" of the occupation or the new people in charge. He knew torture was a crime under US, Iraqi and international law, so he went to his military supervisor and explained what was going on. He was told to shut up and get back to herding up Iraqis.
Manning had to choose between being complicit in these atrocities, or not. At the age of 21, he made a brave choice: to put human rights before his own interests. He found the classified military documents revealing that the US was covering up the deaths of 15,000 Iraqis and had a de facto policy of allowing the Iraqis they had installed in power to carry out torture – and he decided he had a moral obligation to show them to the American people.
To prevent the major crime of torturing and murdering innocents, he committed the minor crime of leaking the evidence. He has spent the last seven months in solitary confinement – a punishment that causes many prisoners to go mad, and which the US National Commission on Prisons called "torturous". He is expected to be sentenced to 80 years in jail at least. The people who allowed torture have faced no punishment at all. Manning's decision was no "tantrum" – it was one of the most admirable stands for justice and freedom of 2010.