ATAR Notes: Forum
National Education => Admissions tests => UMAT => Topic started by: happyhappyland on December 16, 2010, 09:59:30 pm
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NOTE: Not complete yet...
Medicine is one of the hardest courses to get into, with a very strong competition and very specific selection requirements from each univercity. In this thread, I will go through the basics of how to get into each university and what their courses are briefly like. Information here is subjected to change.
Requirements:
General requirements into medicine USUALLY include these:
- Reasonably high ATAR score (97+) with prerequisite subjects
- Very high UMAT Score
- Interview
ATAR SCORE:
The competition into medicine is very high, with each university only accepting 100-300 people each year. Therefore, with such high demand a high ATAR is required with the prerequisite of subjects USUALLY Chemistry, Math Methods and English. In many Universities physics is highly desirable and sometimes even Biology, but both chemistry and methods are IMPERATIVE towards entrance into any undergraduate medical school. In terms of ATAR scores, 98+ is usually sufficient but in Queensland where OP scores are still considered an OP1 is 99+ ATAR and an OP2 is 97.5 ATAR (as of 2009 graduates).
UMAT ( Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences Admission Test ):
UMAT has three sections
> Section 1: Logical Reasoning and Problem Solving
> Section 2: Understanding People
> Section 3: Non-verbal Reasoning
The UMAT is use for most university to select people who are apparently "fit for medicine". In other words, you have to take this test which you cannot study for (this is VERY debatable) so that it allows another criteria for universities to select people.
The UMAT test is three hours long and many Asians and Indians take the tests (when I went around 70% of the cue were of such Ethnic race including myself).
UMAT scores can be very confusing, but here is the breakdown of it:
You can an arbitrary score for each section which DOES NOT mean it is your percentage, it is just a SCORE.
You can an Overall score which is the average of each three sections.
You can a PERCENTILE RANKING SCORE, for many years an overall score of 59 is around 90%tile (meaning if you get 59 you are in the top 10%)
What is a good UMAT score:
Anything over 80%tile will leave you a good chance to enter many universities in Australia. For Monash you need over 93%tile (2010).
Studying for the UMAT:
Many companies try to scam your money by saying that they allow UMAT success. The most popular UMAT training course is MedEntry, but I cannot vouch for it not scamming your money as I did it this year and my UMAT score is appalling. In the end, it gives you a good idea of what the UMAT questions are about.
More information can be found at:
http://umat.acer.edu.au/images/infobook/UMAT_InfoBook.pdf
ENTRANCE INTO UNDERGRADUATE UNIVERSITIES
VICTORIA:
Monash University:
Only Monash Universities offers undergraduate entry into medicine after the Melbourne Model took place. Competition into Monash is very high and they have a MMI interview which you go to many stations with one interviewer who will present you with scenarios or questions. The selection process involves said to be equally weighted ATAR, UMAT and Interview.
Interviews are taken BEFORE ATAR scores come out as they use the UMAT score to determine if you get an interview or not. This year the cut of is 93%tile for an interview. Most people need ATAR scores of above 98 to get into Monash medicine.
Places: Around 300
NEW SOUTH WALES:
University of New South Wales:
Competition for medicine at UNSW is as difficult as Monash, but remember if you are interested in medicine APPLY EVERYWHERE. UNSW looks at ATAR, UMAT and Interview just like Monash.
They have a minimum ATAR of 96 and you must submit and application form with an expression of interest form with it. A prediction of ATAR score must also be submitted which is filled out by your school.
Places: Around 300
University of Western Sydney:
This university as a rural, or disadvantaged social preference with those who LIVE in Western Sydney are allowed lower scores. Western Sydney looks at ATAR, UMAT and Interview but not expression of interest forms have to be submitted.
University of Newcastle/University of New England (joint medical program):
This course also looks at ATAR, UMAT and an Interview, but this school has be infamous for looking at extremely nice and caring people in their interviews. It has be rumoured that the selection panel for the interview selects those who are particularly caring and have an instinctive nature to help people.
Places: Around 170
SOUTH AUSTRALIA:
University of Adelaide:
The university looks at ATAR, UMAT and Interview but prefers slightly local students than interstate students. A UMAT score of in the very high 80%ile can get you an interview, and the university weighs all three citerias equally.
The university does not accept non-standard students UNLESS THEY ARE STUDYING AT THE UNIVERSITY. For example if you do Bach. of Science at University of adelaide you can transfer into the MBBS program given that you are good enough.
WESTERN AUSTRALIA:
University of Western Australia:
Requires minimum ATAR of 96, UMAT and Interview. It weighs ATAR and Interview MORE than UMAT (1:2:2 to UMAT:ATAR:INTERVIEW). Interviews are selected through UMAT results.
UWA is moving to just graduate entry. Thanks stonecold !
Edit: And I believe UWA is having its final undergrad med intake next year, and will only have grad med thereafter.
QUEENSLAND:
James Cook University:
This is the University that Ive had the best chance with so I know quite a bit about it.
JCU DOES NOT LOOK AT UMAT RESULTS. The selection process involves you submitting a written application and a predicted ATAR in which the application you answer questions about why you want to be a doctor and why you want to focus on rural medicine. JCU has a very strong focus on rural and tropical medicine and thus it favours those who live in Townsville (where JCU is situated), Queensland, rural environments or have an indigenous background. The written application can get you a first round interview offer which is held in late November and Early December. The interview is very laid back with three interviewers (atleast two of them are medical doctors) asking you basic and typical questions as well as presenting scenarios.
The selection process looks at application, interview and ATAR in which if you are from a rural area ATAR score can drop to lower than 96 and still have a good chance at getting a place.
Places: 210 (170 CSP)
Bond University:
Bond is a PRIVATE university and its medical course costs around $60,000 a year (no government assistant; you have to pay it). They accept people with UMAT scores of around 50 and comparatively low ATAR scores. Bond has interviews which are conducted in Melbourne (if your in Melbourne) and they have tri-semester years, thus the medical course is only 4 and a half years.
TASMANIA:
University of Tasmania:
This university hates interstate people, they have a very small quota for them. Tasmania has no interview and only looks at ATAR and UMAT scores. You apply directly to their university (not through VTAC or QTAC or the such). UMAT scores have historically been around 100%ile for interstate school leavers, but HOWEVER if you apply through the non-standard stream it becomes much easier and much lower umat score!
The course is 5 years so if you apply in your first year at uni.. it becomes 6 years, the same as most undergraduate medical courses!
PROVISIONAL MEDICAL PLACES:
Provisional medicine is where a university gareentees you a place in their Graduate medical program after you do a general degree with them. Usually the general degree is three year degree in which if you are in the provisional course, you will complete it in two years along with four years of graduate medicine.
New South Wales:
University of Sydney:
VERY DIFFICULT TO GET INTO USYD. They call it combined medicine degree in which you combine Graduate medicine with:
Arts
Music
Advanced Science
Medical Science
Commerce
Economics
You will need 99.95 to get into this combined course except for music which is a bit lower (still in the high 99s but you have to get into their music case)
Places: 30
Queensland:
University of Queensland:
To be honest, this is the easiest university to get into Medicine. You can do Arts/MBBS, Health Science/MBBS or Science/MBBS. UMAT scores have been infamously low compared to other universities around 70tile. Regarding ATAR scores, you will need 99+ HOWEVER UNIVERSITY OF QUEENSLAND GIVES OUT BONUS POINTS! This means if you do a LOTE (listed on their site) or Specialist maths you will get TWO MORE ATAR SCORES added on to yours. E.g. If you get 97.8 and you did Chinese, you will have 99.8 and Queensland uses the OP system thus placing you from OP2 to OP1. If you do a University Extension subject you get ONE extra point.
The UQ UMAT is in the 80%s for first round, and goes down to 70% for second round, even possibly in the 60%. It is no longer as low as it was due to the bonus points thing, but yes i agree, easiest uni IF you can get the 50/50/50.
50/50/50 means that you will need 50 umat score for each section, not average 50.
You will need a GPA of 5.0 to proceed onto the MBBS course for your preceding course. GPA of 5.0 is around 60% in uni which is EASY IF YOU STUDY, but HARD if you dont.
Places: 150
Griffith University:
This is the only other university apart from JCU that does NOT look at UMAT scores. Also they dont have an interview! However this means you need an ATAR of over 99, and the competition will be very high.
You will need a GPA of 5.0 to proceed onto the MBBS course for your preceding course. GPA of 5.0 is around 60% in uni which is EASY IF YOU STUDY, but HARD if you dont.
NON STANDARD ENTRY:
Didnt do well in year 12? That is OK! There is non standard entry where you do your first year of university first, and then you apply to get into medicine. Many universities have a different selection pool of students for non-standards, so you will be competing against other non-standards. Nevertheless, the competition will still be relatively high, so you might want to get your uni marks to around 80%s (HD or atleast H2A). GAP year takers are also non standards however, only their ATAR will be taken into consideration but also why the gap year is taken.
It is not unheard of people missing out on a medical place due to poor performance on an interview, a year of community service say in Red Cross or World Vision could really bring weight towards health care experience into an interview. Others take the UMAT again as their year 12 UMAT score may not have been good enough.
Some universities do not accept non-standards and require all school leavers e.g. Monash and all of the provisional entry universities.
*** Hi just putting an update here about myself. Dont give up, I did my UMAT again this year and I got 91%tile ( a big jump from what I got last year ). Ive almost done my year of science with some H1 so that puts be in the running for some interviews!***
A note, unless i read wrong, if you take a gap year you are still considered a school-leaver by pretty much all unis (not UniSyd), this includes Monash so you can still get in and its the same competitiveness as if you were in year 12.
GRADUATE ENTRY:
This is the most popular way of getting into medicine apart from undergraduate. This follows the American system of doing an undergraduate degree before taking on a professional degree. Competition is VERY high, just like undergraduate entry, as many factors are taken into consideration; GPA (uni marks), GAMSAT, and Interview.
The GAMSAT is a six hour long exam in which there is an essay component and a science section which is heavily weighted and can be studied for. It is also a test by ACER like the UMAT making them very rich people from just hopeful med students.
Where to get more information?
- University websites
- Undergraduate Entry/Non-Standard information http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/
- Graduate Entry http://info.pagingdr.net/
- Your Careers teacher
- This forum !
TIMELINE THROUGH MEDICINE/SUMMARY
[IMG]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5682/medicine.jpg[/img]
Links about life after medical school
Yeah, I know where you are coming from. I believe internship for GPs is only 1 year, then you go to the RACGP for your felowship.
Here are a few post grad medical colleges which have loads of info on fees, application, training duaration etc.
http://www.surgeons.org/ (surgeon)
http://www.racgp.org.au/ (doctor)
http://www.anzca.edu.au/ (anesthetist)
http://www.ranzcp.org/ (psychiatrist)
http://www.ranzcog.edu.au/ (obstetricians and gynaecologists)
http://www.ranzco.edu/ (opthamologist)
http://www.dermcoll.asn.au/ (dermatologist)
You may also want to read this:
http://www.surgeons.org/media/12931/medical_education_anz.pdf
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Sweet post, thanks! :)
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Very nice post.
N.B. Bond University=Rich kids playground :P
Edit: And I believe UWA is having its final undergrad med intake next year, and will only have grad med thereafter.
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N.B. Bond University=Rich kids playground :P
$60 000/year....holy crap!!
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Good post. Nice and short summary. Thank you.
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The post is pretty much finish.. Feel free to question any of it as my main focus has only been James Cook University after my very poor umat performance.
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This is awesome for making this, will save heaps of questions we get ^__^
A note, unless i read wrong, if you take a gap year you are still considered a school-leaver by pretty much all unis (not UniSyd), this includes Monash so you can still get in and its the same competitiveness as if you were in year 12.
The UQ UMAT is in the 80%s for first round, and goes down to 70% for second round, even possibly in the 60%. It is no longer as low as it was due to the bonus points thing, but yes i agree, easiest uni IF you can get the 50/50/50.
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This is awesome for making this, will save heaps of questions we get ^__^
A note, unless i read wrong, if you take a gap year you are still considered a school-leaver by pretty much all unis (not UniSyd), this includes Monash so you can still get in and its the same competitiveness as if you were in year 12.
The UQ UMAT is in the 80%s for first round, and goes down to 70% for second round, even possibly in the 60%. It is no longer as low as it was due to the bonus points thing, but yes i agree, easiest uni IF you can get the 50/50/50.
Oh aight ill check on that. I never really paid much attention to gap years because Ive never planned to take one.. ill quote that bit and put it under non-standard entry
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Yeah, also, no more UWA undergrad happy! :(
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It is also a test by ACER like the UMAT making them very rich people from just hopeful med students.
ACER is actually a non-profit organisation :P
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It is also a test by ACER like the UMAT making them very rich people from just hopeful med students.
ACER is actually a non-profit organisation :P
but but have you see how many people take the umat! They charge $200 per person.. thats a lot of money :). They may be non-profit but they can have very expensive "non-profit" parties... im just assuming here
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Lol according to their site (http://www.acer.edu.au/about) they have 300 staff! So even using conservative estimates, I doubt the money from GAMSAT and UMAT combined would even cover their wages expense ;).
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No, they're non profit. It's been discussed before.
GAMSAT costs $370, so stop complaining lol
e, those 300 staff are their salaried employees, they have to hire a ton of casual people to mark their tests etc.
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Wait a second.
So if I score 96.95 in my ATAR ( I will do Specialist) + A Umat score of 50+/50+/50+.
I am guaranteed a place in the CSP MBBS provided I pass my undergrad degree with a GPA of ~4.0 +????
EDIT: How hard is a UMAT score of 50/50/50???
This sounds too good to be true!
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50/50/50 isn't terribly hard, the section where most people struggle to get 50+ is the nonverbal reasoning one. That said, the OP isn't clear on the fact that those are the minimums accepted and you will be ranked against the UMAT scores of everyone else - you just need to have 50/50/50 to be considered.
Once the OP1(Rank 99) and UMAT minimum (scaled score of 50 in each of the 3 sections) requirements have been met, applicants are placed in rank order of highest UMAT aggregate score down to the lowest. Offers are then issued starting from the top of this list.
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Russ, do you have any info on what that UMAT cut-off is likely to be?
Would that UMAT cut-off change for the different undergraduate degrees?
What exactly is 50/50/50?
Is this 50 marks out of a possible 70?
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No, I stopped keeping track of UMAT cutoffs for interstate universities after I finished high school. Someone else will have a better idea though.
50/50/50 is your "score", which is determined by considering your percentile rank. There's a sigmoidal graph that you use to work it out, and it changes every year. A score of 50 is roughly the 60th percentile.
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Russ, do you have any info on what that UMAT cut-off is likely to be?
Would that UMAT cut-off change for the different undergraduate degrees?
What exactly is 50/50/50?
Is this 50 marks out of a possible 70?
Theres no highest possible mark for the UMAT. Its scoring system is a mystery but it is a very steep graph curve. 59 is around 90%.
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It all seems so tight, 50 is around 60% and 59 around 90%, so 9 marks decide your future, hardly fair!
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They're not marks, getting one extra question right won't improve your score from 50 to 51.
If you actually want to know how it works, google "item theory response"
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If I were to do BScience/MBBS at University of Queensland, after my two year science degree, would I be able to sit the GAMSAT and attempt entry at post-grad Melbourne/Monash medicine? Obviously, if unsuccesful, I would stay in QLD, if succesful, could come back home.
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If I were to do BScience/MBBS at University of Queensland, after my two year science degree, would I be able to sit the GAMSAT and attempt entry at post-grad Melbourne/Monash medicine? Obviously, if unsuccesful, I would stay in QLD, if succesful, could come back home.
I actually asked this, since i thought it'd be a good idea.
They said that "you would have to decline your provisional Year 12 place before submitting your graduate entry application" so no it's not possible.
Besides you need to have at least a 3 year degree to apply to unimelb's MD program, and even if you extended your undergrad for provisional (is possible), applying for graduate gets rid of your provisional entry.
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Yeah, vexx is right. They will not let you take provisional entry and then try to go elsewhere. Your provisional will be revoked.
Also, you can't defer a place (if it is allowed) then try for at med for another uni.
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Ok. In terms of internship. How likely would it be that I could come back to Victoria. I wouldn't mind spending 6 years of my life in Queensland, but add on 3 for internship + residency. Then pg would assume your specialist training would also be done there, you quickly find yourself spending 10-15 years there!
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Ok. In terms of internship. How likely would it be that I could come back to Victoria. I wouldn't mind spending 6 years of my life in Queensland, but add on 3 for internship + residency. Then pg would assume your specialist training would also be done there, you quickly find yourself spending 10-15 years there!
I think they allocate X number of spots for interstaters.
i.e. At the Alfred, it is 12.
http://www.alfred.org.au/Page.aspx?ID=82
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I mean if you spend a decade in another state, I think you would find it hard to come back to Melbourne. You would have friends/wife and a job/house. I really dont want to be so ear away from my family for my whole life yet Id do anything to get into medicine.
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I mean if you spend a decade in another state, I think you would find it hard to come back to Melbourne. You would have friends/wife and a job/house. I really dont want to be so ear away from my family for my whole life yet Id do anything to get into medicine.
Yeah, I know where you are coming from. I believe internship for GPs is only 1 year, then you go to the RACGP for your felowship.
Here are a few post grad medical colleges which have loads of info on fees, application, training duaration etc.
http://www.surgeons.org/ (surgeon)
http://www.racgp.org.au/ (doctor)
http://www.anzca.edu.au/ (anesthetist)
http://www.ranzcp.org/ (psychiatrist)
http://www.ranzcog.edu.au/ (obstetricians and gynaecologists)
http://www.ranzco.edu/ (opthamologist)
http://www.dermcoll.asn.au/ (dermatologist)
You may also want to read this:
http://www.surgeons.org/media/12931/medical_education_anz.pdf
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Hmm thanks for the info.
For me i would move interstate but the main concern is really whether i am able to take care of myself.
Also don't want to be a financial burden on parents.. So staying in melb would be an option..
But yes, if Medicine is your dream than do chase it. Friends and family here would be proud?
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Hmm thanks for the info.
For me i would move interstate but the main concern is really whether i am able to take care of myself.
Also don't want to be a financial burden on parents.. So staying in melb would be an option..
But yes, if Medicine is your dream than do chase it. Friends and family here would be proud?
Yeah, although to be brutally honest, there aren't very many med opportunities in Victoria, so odds are you will have to move at some point.
Monash Undergrad is probably the most competitive direct undergrad entry in the country. UTAS and Flinders are also very difficult for interstate school leavers though.
Then, there is graduate, which comprises of the MD at UoM (which will increase in competition by the time we can apply) and also MBBS at Monash and Deakin.
It is rather slim pickings, and will take at least 7 years via graduate entry pathway here, IF you get in. Moreover, from numerous posts I've read on MSO and pagingdr, they all say a med degree is virtually the same wherever you go.
Lots more opportunities interstate however. QLD has 3 undergrad/provisional Unis, NSW has 3, and SA has 2.
Even UTAS is a better option, because you can transfer into med there after one year of science or similar. Monash does not allow this.
By all means go for Monash, but if you don't get in, then it will make things harder.
I suppose it depends how much you want to do med. Either go interstate or risk 3 years on a science/biomed degree to get into grad med.
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Hmm thanks for the info.
For me i would move interstate but the main concern is really whether i am able to take care of myself.
Also don't want to be a financial burden on parents.. So staying in melb would be an option..
But yes, if Medicine is your dream than do chase it. Friends and family here would be proud?
Yeah, although to be brutally honest, there aren't very many med opportunities in Victoria, so odds are you will have to move at some point.
Monash Undergrad is probably the most competitive direct undergrad entry in the country. UTAS and Flinders are also very difficult for interstate school leavers though.
Then, there is graduate, which comprises of the MD at UoM (which will increase in competition by the time we can apply) and also MBBS at Monash and Deakin.
It is rather slim pickings, and will take at least 7 years via graduate entry pathway here, IF you get in. Moreover, from numerous posts I've read on MSO and pagingdr, they all say a med degree is virtually the same wherever you go.
Lots more opportunities interstate however. QLD has 3 undergrad/provisional Unis, NSW has 3, and SA has 2.
Even UTAS is a better option, because you can transfer into med there after one year of science or similar. Monash does not allow this.
By all means go for Monash, but if you don't get in, then it will make things harder.
I suppose it depends how much you want to do med. Either go interstate or risk 3 years on a science/biomed degree to get into grad med.
What actually happens if you 'fail' to meet the requirements of the GPA and the GAMSAT? What do you do then? gg life
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Hmm thanks for the info.
For me i would move interstate but the main concern is really whether i am able to take care of myself.
Also don't want to be a financial burden on parents.. So staying in melb would be an option..
But yes, if Medicine is your dream than do chase it. Friends and family here would be proud?
Yeah, although to be brutally honest, there aren't very many med opportunities in Victoria, so odds are you will have to move at some point.
Monash Undergrad is probably the most competitive direct undergrad entry in the country. UTAS and Flinders are also very difficult for interstate school leavers though.
Then, there is graduate, which comprises of the MD at UoM (which will increase in competition by the time we can apply) and also MBBS at Monash and Deakin.
It is rather slim pickings, and will take at least 7 years via graduate entry pathway here, IF you get in. Moreover, from numerous posts I've read on MSO and pagingdr, they all say a med degree is virtually the same wherever you go.
Lots more opportunities interstate however. QLD has 3 undergrad/provisional Unis, NSW has 3, and SA has 2.
Even UTAS is a better option, because you can transfer into med there after one year of science or similar. Monash does not allow this.
By all means go for Monash, but if you don't get in, then it will make things harder.
I suppose it depends how much you want to do med. Either go interstate or risk 3 years on a science/biomed degree to get into grad med.
What actually happens if you 'fail' to meet the requirements of the GPA and the GAMSAT? What do you do then? gg life
Take an honours year to improve your GPA, if your uni allows you to do it.
And you can do the GAMSAT in the last AND second last year of your science degree, so you get two goes at it, unlike the UMAT.
But for grad entry, you can only have 3 preferences AUSTRALIA wide, and if you receive multiple interviews, you only get to choose 1.
For undergrad, you can apply everywhere, and do as many preferences as you like through the university admission centres and then as many interviews as you like too.
You'll probably get into Monash though, so I wouldn't get on hung up on it now.
It is just that everything rides on the UMAT unfortunately.
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gg to someone who gets a 92%ile umat rank and a 99.85 atar.
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Life isn't gg. Not in Australia :P
Worse comes to worse drive trucks and become the next lindsay fox.
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Life isn't gg. Not in Australia :P
Worse comes to worse drive trucks and become the next lindsay fox.
I know, it was a joke ==
You can do almost anything you want in Australia, it just takes a certain amount of time - that's what's good for Australia, anyways. :)
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I know this is been repeated around this place many times over but if you really want to get in, you will find a way there eventually.
(Apparently driving trucks is pretty lucrative if you do it in the mines in perth.)
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But for grad entry, you can only have 3 preferences AUSTRALIA wide, and if you receive multiple interviews, you only get to choose 1.
You don't get to choose one, you only get offered one, it works the same way as preferences for VCE. (but if you're not accepted, they may pass your interview score to a later preference)
Also, MBBS at Deakin is very good from what I've seen and heard
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Hmm, does anyone also know about reports of insufficient intern numbers since all these new MBBS courses popped up?
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Which "new" courses?
And yeah intern numbers are a growing concern, the government has currently guaranteed intern places for domestic (victorian) students. Given that it's going to be at least 6 years before you're in that position, things may well change before that.
Read some of these:
http://amsa.org.au/docs/intern-vic-response.pdf
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Hmm i'm not sure about the reason for intern numbers anymore, but didn't they used to be able to offer an internship to nearly every medical graduate?
Somehow, there will now be more graduates than intern positions available.
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I think the government will eventually be forced to step in and commit the money to fixing the problem so I don't think it's a particularly pressing concern right now. In a couple of years, if things are still sliding then yes, it will be
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I dont think theres any new MBBS course but University of South Australia is opening a graduate entry medical course in the near future
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Thanks for the first post! (+1 post vote)
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Update: I believe Monash have bumped up the required percentile that you need now to get into medicine to an unweighted section score of 195 (as of 2011; this is the sum of your three raw section scores) based purely on UMAT, plus a decent ATAR. However, in saying that, from what I gather there will be a lot more in the ATAR-UMAT stream, so in a sense ATAR is weighted more heavily than it was before.
There's still the Dean's Rural List/Indigenous List there as well, if you fall into that category.
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However, in saying that, from what I gather there will be a lot more in the ATAR-UMAT stream, so in a sense ATAR is weighted more heavily than it was before.
Just more on this, 90 ATAR+UMAT interviews were offered in 2011: http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/prospective-students.html (thanks luken93 for that info!)
Examples of this:
188 + 99.35 = Interview
192 + 97.8 = Interview
180 + 99.55 = No interview
So, I'm fairly certain that the UMAT is still weighed more than the ATAR when giving interviews. When offering places, the rumour is still that the three are weighed equally.
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^ what is 192 in terms of %le
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^ what is 192 in terms of %le
I think it was 94
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However, in saying that, from what I gather there will be a lot more in the ATAR-UMAT stream, so in a sense ATAR is weighted more heavily than it was before.
Just more on this, 90 ATAR+UMAT interviews were offered in 2011: http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medical/central/prospective-students.html (thanks luken93 for that info!)
Examples of this:
188 + 99.35 = Interview
192 + 97.8 = Interview
180 + 99.55 = No interview
So, I'm fairly certain that the UMAT is still weighed more than the ATAR when giving interviews. When offering places, the rumour is still that the three are weighed equally.
Difference between the ATARs are only about 2 percentile, so unless the differences in those UMATs are less than 2 percentile, I'd say it sounds about right. Can someone convert the umats to percentiles btw?
Moderator action: removed real name, sorry for the inconvenience
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Nup, ATAR:UMAT weighting is 50:50 as per Prof Hodgson, director of med admissions. However, they use a z-score for each of ATAR and UMAT (like the way they weigh our SACs and exams to give us study scores) and I have the feeling that ATARs are more spread out than UMATs (UMAT distribution has a lower SD) so it appears that UMAT is more important - plus Monash uses the sum of three section scores rather than overall, but we tend to think in 'overall,' hence the illusion that UMAT plays a bigger role than ATAR. However, if that were the case, I think it should be a 75:25 in favour of ATAR, given round 1 was basically 100% UMAT.
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Queensland:
University of Queensland:
To be honest, this is the easiest university to get into Medicine. You can do Arts/MBBS, Health Science/MBBS or Science/MBBS. UMAT scores have been infamously low compared to other universities around 70tile. Regarding ATAR scores, you will need 99+ HOWEVER UNIVERSITY OF QUEENSLAND GIVES OUT BONUS POINTS! This means if you do a LOTE (listed on their site) or Specialist maths you will get TWO MORE ATAR SCORES added on to yours. E.g. If you get 97.8 and you did Chinese, you will have 99.8 and Queensland uses the OP system thus placing you from OP2 to OP1. If you do a University Extension subject you get ONE extra point.
What if you are studying both specialist and a second language ?? 4 added points?
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What if you are studying both specialist and a second language ?? 4 added points?
Yep, straight to your ATAR. Worth noting though that in UQ, 99.95 and 99.00 are basically the same thing (both OP1).
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So for UQ do you do a 3 year degree before the 4 year MBBS?
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Yeah, basically like UoM but much easier to get into (literally the easiest)
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So for UQ do you do a 3 year degree before the 4 year MBBS?
Yep, they dont have undergrad
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i just did a bit of research is it possible to do one of their double degrees? making it six years instead of seven
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i just did a bit of research is it possible to do one of their double degrees? making it six years instead of seven
Postgrad of UQ is separated from undergrad. Its 4years postgrad and you cant change it actually
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http://www.uq.edu.au/study/program.html?acad_prog=2248 ?
But on QTAC I cant find it for my preferences. Is it just listed under provisional entry MBBS along with the other 2 dual degrees?
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http://www.uq.edu.au/study/program.html?acad_prog=2248 ?
But on QTAC I cant find it for my preferences. Is it just listed under provisional entry MBBS along with the other 2 dual degrees?
QTAC code: 731702 - B Science/B Medicine & Surgery
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I tried that but it said QTAC code invalid :( only options for MBBS at QLD are MBBS provisional entry for school leavers and Bonded
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I tried that but it said QTAC code invalid :( only options for MBBS at QLD are MBBS provisional entry for school leavers and Bonded
Ahhhhhh, I remember last week, I applied UQ as well.
I thought it was invalid for international students only.
Anyways, possibly you apply MBBS after finishing undergrad. As I know, UQ requires GAMSAT and interviewing as well.
Its the same as UoM, why dont you choose UoM instead?
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Oh I thought you just get guaranteed entry so I don't have to do the GAMSAT? cos its undergraduate entry I'm not sure on this though :/
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Oh I thought you just get guaranteed entry so I don't have to do the GAMSAT? cos its undergraduate entry I'm not sure on this though :/
LOL Sorry, I searched multiple uni for this course so I mixed them up.
You do UMAT but bachelor of sc major in biomed/maths/psy is compulsory as a part of course
Click for details of entry requirements
http://www.uq.edu.au/study/rule_display.html?rule_file_name=http://www.uq.edu.au/student/ProgramRules2012/2012BScMBBS.htm&prog_title=Bachelors%20of%20Medicine,%20Surgery%20and%20Science
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Btw, if you dont have enough UMAT requirement, you can study undergrad separately then apply for postgrad of MBBS (require GAMSAT) but if you have high score in UMAT and pass interview, just go straight for bachelor of sc/med/surgery (no GAMSAT)
For more info about postgrad of MBBS:
http://www.uq.edu.au/study/program.html?acad_prog=2046
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Yeah hopefully my UMAT is good enough that I can get into monash, otherwise I'll have to explore interstate. If all undergraduate courses fail I will go to UoM then do the Gamsat after :D
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When do the UMAT results come out again?
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When do the UMAT results come out again?
Mid-late september.
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Does anyone know the general percentile score required on the UMAT to be accepted for an interview at universities other than monash?
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Does anyone know the general percentile score required on the UMAT to be accepted for an interview at universities other than monash?
I think they're all about the same except for a few that require 99th-100th percentile from interstate applicants because they prefer students from their state of residence.
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Does anyone know the general percentile score required on the UMAT to be accepted for an interview at universities other than monash?
I think they're all about the same except for a few that require 99th-100th percentile from interstate applicants because they prefer students from their state of residence.
That's only for Tasmania I believe (where you need 100th percentile).
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Just fyi unstickying this as the info is a bit out-dated. I'll try and add the relevant bits to our Resources thread (most of it is there). For those who want more detailed info, best bet is the see each uni's page in the most recent ACER UMAT Handbook :)
(also, I'm making a new table summary for y'all)