ATAR Notes: Forum
VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: jenerator on July 28, 2011, 08:25:41 pm
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hey there, subject selection is approaching very soon. This year i am completing biol and french. Having to complete 2 3/4's this year, I'm not sure if i should do 4 subjects next year or 3. Will studying a 6th subject be pointless? I mean 10% isnt very much
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Even if you 10 SS in ur 6th, it could be very important in the end
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i believe flasha on this forum did quite well in 5 subjects but still only got 97.x, a 5th subject can definitely hellp
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Depends on where you're aiming. Generally an extra 3-5 extra aggregate scores can add around 2-4 to your ATAR around the 80 mark.
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i believe flasha on this forum did quite well in 5 subjects but still only got 97.x, a 5th subject can definitely hellp
ONLY 97?
That aint so easy you know?
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i believe flasha on this forum did quite well in 5 subjects but still only got 97.x, a 5th subject can definitely hellp
ONLY 97?
That aint so easy you know?
ahahhah agreed!
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Also im compelled to just tell you to go for a 6th subject, but if it's the workload that you might have trouble with, then i think it's best not to.
Other alternatives though would be just to pick something you enjoy (so it doesn't seem like a lot of work) or to just pick something easy.
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yeah, i've thought about it. Since my subjects are not "hardcore", i should do a 6th subject :)
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3 subjects in Year 12 is really little.
TBH, I'm doing 4 this year and I'm finding it more than manageable.
Personally, I reckon it'll be a bit of a cop out if you don't do 4 :P
(Also, I see you go to macrob. They won't allow you to do 3 in Year 12, jussayin')
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Yeah just do a 4th, that 10% can be the difference between you getting into your desired course and not! So it's definitely worth it.
Just looking at the agregate table thing from 2010:
say you got a 30 for your 6th, thats 3 aggregate points.
167.9->93 atar
170.4->94 atar
173.2->95 atar
Imo that's a massive boost and you should be able to cope with 4 subjects. :)
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The aggregate table swarley is referring to is this (i assume). someone posted it on here a while ago.
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Well your doing 2 subjects in yr 11, and I'm guessing you're doing well in them, then 4 subjects should be fine, and as everyone keeps saying, that little bit could mean alot.
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i believe flasha on this forum did quite well in 5 subjects but still only got 97.x, a 5th subject can definitely hellp
Ditch this elitist selective school mentality right now, or I will seriously ban you and won't give a crap about whether people think I'm being harsh or not. I don't care if it conflicts with your expectations, but in saying what you said you're conflicting with the 97% of kids who would quite clearly be very happy with that score.
I don't want to hear any justification of your thoughts as I've seen you do this time and time again. You need to realize that you're being extremely condescending in doing that (and even worse that you had to go out and name the person), and if you bring this attitude into any further education outside of the Melbourne High School bubble, or real life in general, you won't do very well.
An ATAR of 97 is not only a great score, but even for the school you go to it is still a minority that get's above this score.
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Jenerator, you'd probably have to check with your school whether they'd let you do that, because a lot of top end schools are quite conservative with their VCE policy. As for the 10% thing, check out the end of the scaling report for the aggregate scores. http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf
Most people will receive a 6th subject score between 2.5 and 4.5, and you can see quite easily that in adding those small amounts your ATAR can actually increase by quite a lot.
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why does everyone on the forum always see the worst possible intepretation of something?
what i meant by ONLY
is that
Business Management ~ 50 Legal Studies ~ 45 English ~ 44 Physical Education ~ 40 Further Mathematics ~ 33
if you look at those scores which are extremely good, with 3 including english above 44, you would expect a score of 99%+ based on what study scores people with 99 + have got.
devraj, you are obviously using my personal aims which i may or may not achieve. I am not an idiot, i know not everyone wants or needs 99.5+. I am simply using a case scenario as evidence, that not doing a 6th subject will lower your expected ATAR by a (possibly) significant amount.
i could have just as easily said,
oh flasha got 50 , 50 ,50, 50, 50 but only got 99.8 ??, as i would expect people with all 50s to get 99.95
not because i regard anything less than 99.95 as 'bad', 99.8 is obviously ridiculously good and no - one in their right mind would turn down a 99.8
only is not referring in anyway to my expectations, but referring to what i expected him to get after seeing his scores (in his sig ) . I almost Pm'ed him about it but then i realised he only did five subjects.
97.2% is a great score obviously, it means your better than 97.2% of victoria which is by no means a small feat.
I don't think these kinds of rash judgements on the forum are fair dev.
To grow as a community and forum, you don't want a shitstorm every time there is a misplaced word. It should be a welcoming community that gives people a place to relax
you should at least give people a chance to justify their statement if its not obviously a personal attack.
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If you need an essay to justify what several people have obviously taken offense to, perhaps you shouldn't have posted it in the first place.
I'm not going to go back and find your other posts (both here and elsewhere), but you've got to realize that it is condescending, and what concerns me the post is that people can post this sorta stuff and not realize it.
My concern for the forum community is the exact reason for which I called you out on it. To any newcomer here to see people undermining good scores can make this place seem like some sort of elitist high scorers club, which is against the principle of this place. If there are a heap of posts similar to yours on here the forum definitely does not look welcoming and essentially makes us look like 99 or gtfo
If you think you're making a well reasoned argument sticking to the topic, go ahead and add an increment of 3.5, 4.0, or even 5.5 if you wish and see whether in effect your supposed contention is correct. On that note I don't really want to be referring to any individuals from this point onwards because I think it is just rude.
Its also equally annoying to have someone going on like "omg how did you not get 99" on multiple occasions. Also familiarize yourself with the mechanics of scaling / aggregate, because there is a system in place and most people that receive their atar will understand it.
I've seen you do this in your little selective school bubble, where you can get away with this without offending others, but it does not have a place here.
You can go ahead and justify your statement in hindsight, but the effect of your initial post remains the same to anyone reading it for the first time.
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if you need an essay to attack me then maybe it is not that apparent.
Go back, find the posts. I would like to see them and see if you are right
please explain to me, how i should i have phrased it
with the same intention of
- explaining how flash did extremely well in his subjects
- explaining how an an average top 4 of 44 ish usually equates to more than 97
- without being 'condescending'
only is the only gramattically correct word in this situation.
please find your "multiple occasions." I highly doubt they are a personal criticism, though t hey may be a critisicm on the VCE system aspects such as scaling etc.
i'm dissapointed you would take such a narrow minded view, convinced you know more about what i meant than i do. I liked you as person but i'm not sure where this personal attack is coming from. Rule with an iron fist if you feel the need. Even if i don't understand the VCE system as well as i do, should that prevent me having any say on the topic?
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heres an idea, instead of naming the person why dont you say "i know someone who scored ..."
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please explain to me, how i should i have phrased it
with the same intention of
- explaining how flash did extremely well in his subjects
- explaining how an an average top 4 of 44 ish usually equates to more than 97
- without being 'condescending'
"You can always improve your ATAR with an increment, even if you do very well in your top 4. For example etc"
The use of the word "only" can be interpreted in two ways in your message, you should have put it in inverted commas when you originally posted.
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Go back, find the posts. I would like to see them and see if you are right
Do you really want to see some?
EDIT: I have dug out a few, cbs going to look for more
Re: Biology Summer Preparation Thread!
Re: Subject Dux?
Re: unit3notes
Re: does having a 6th subject give you an advantage? (in this thread)
Re: Rebecca Black? (could be taken otherwise, but wasn't by some replies)
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okay w/e i give up. people cannot take a joke.
i apoligize for forgetting inverted commas and for any pain and hurt i have caused.
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Go back, find the posts. I would like to see them and see if you are right
Do you really want to see some?
EDIT: I have dug out a few, cbs going to look for more
Re: Biology Summer Preparation Thread!
Re: Subject Dux?
Re: unit3notes
Re: does having a 6th subject give you an advantage? (in this thread)
Re: Rebecca Black? (could be taken otherwise, but wasn't by some replies)
lol how long did that take you rohit?
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It will always help you have a higher aggregation of six subjects opposed to having an aggregation of five subjects.
I can only do 5 3/4 subjects next year, also i was meant to be doing psychology or business management units 3/4 in year 11, but in my junior (years 7/8) and intermediate. Years (years 9/10) of high school i was a bit of a rebel between year 7-9. I remember in year 9 i was begging to my home group teacher and subject coordinator that i really wanted to do either psych or business management 1/2 in year 10, but they've shown no mercy since i was such a naughty kid, but at that time i didn't know that distance education existed.
You are doing great beneficial way to gain a high ATAR score by doing two 3/4 subjects this year and four 3/4 subjects next year i guess you'll definitely have a lot of time to concentrate on four subjects of your subjects next year, i assume you will be getting a lot free periods :P from there you also can revise your major sacs of having heaps of free periods next year.
Anyways OP you should do 6 subjects for the maximal optimal results that is going to maximize your chances of getting a high ATAR :) and yes of course its an advantage to do 6 subjects ;).
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Go back, find the posts. I would like to see them and see if you are right
Do you really want to see some?
EDIT: I have dug out a few, cbs going to look for more
Re: Biology Summer Preparation Thread!
Re: Subject Dux?
Re: unit3notes
Re: does having a 6th subject give you an advantage? (in this thread)
Re: Rebecca Black? (could be taken otherwise, but wasn't by some replies)
1) None of those posts are relevant to your point, and would only be offensive to those who "wouldn't recognise a joke if it danced in front of them wearing Dobby's tea cosy"
2) Enough of this ganging up on one person. I personally think you're all over-reacting to a rather innocuous comment, but I don't want to get into a stupid fight about it. Keep the thread on topic from now or I'll lock it
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Go back, find the posts. I would like to see them and see if you are right
Do you really want to see some?
EDIT: I have dug out a few, cbs going to look for more
Re: Biology Summer Preparation Thread!
Re: Subject Dux?
Re: unit3notes
Re: does having a 6th subject give you an advantage? (in this thread)
Re: Rebecca Black? (could be taken otherwise, but wasn't by some replies)
What the fuck is this really small font shit?
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this thread is entertaining
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I'm sorry Ninwa for not sticking strictly to the topic, but i have to say taiga, i don't give a shit if you're a mod and you threaten me. Doing that will not help the forum become a better place. You could just have raised your concern in the polite manner that Rohitpi did.
If somehow i have come across as "condescending" here on the forum, i apologize. But all the posts Rohit picked out were intended as jokes, and they are apparently clear to some others, so i am not so out of touch with society that you can simply question my understanding of the world we live in without justification. Obviously, 49 is an exceptional score etc. Why is suddenly naming Flasha such a bad thing as you seem to be implying? Its not like he did badly? In fact he did very well, i reiterate, beating the vast majority of the state. I do not understand why people's aims have to negatively affect their intentions in your mind. Also, questioning why i need a lengthy response... I needed a lengthy response to respond to a lengthy, and in my mind, unfair, criticism.
i believe flasha on this forum did quite well in 5 subjects but still only got 97.x, a 5th subject can definitely hellp
i don't know how else to do this. but let me break down what i was thinking when i wrote this.
These thoughts were running through my mind.
-Flasha was obviously a top student
-He achieved some phenomenal scores including a 50 and a 44 in english.
-Yet from looking at others around the forum, i would have expected these very good scores to result in a higher ATAR.
-This is partially due to lack of aggregate from a 6th subject.
-with these scores he "only" got a 97?
- only is not saying that i view his score has horrendous and despicable. only is, used to convey all this information listed above.
as i said in my previous post on the top of this page, and on the previous page,
he could just have easily have gotten 99 + , and i would have phrased it the same way. 97 is definitely not a bad score and neither is 99. I'm just saying using the limited evidence i have available: A 6th subject makes the ATAR higher.
You can go ahead and justify your statement in hindsight, but the effect of your initial post remains the same to anyone reading it for the first time.
Well this effectively means any views of the author are worthless? It is not being justified in hindsight. Why would i possibly need to justify such a small comment if no extreme criticism is raised? It is being justified after taking criticism into account. In a debate, the third speaker is not speaking 'in hindsight' becausing he is trying to justify his teams earlier comments.
I'm not going to go back and find your other posts (both here and elsewhere), but you've got to realize that it is condescending, and what concerns me the post is that people can post this sorta stuff and not realize it
I've seen you do this in your little selective school bubble, where you can get away with this without offending others, but it does not have a place here.
here, again. do not belittle me. I know exactly what is going on. You assume everyone is on your side and is looking through a window from the same direction. Even if this were to be the case, you are not necessarily right. My true intentions are known to myself and myself only. Do not think you are endowed with special mind reading abilities. Given that some people have seen the links Rohit posted in the manner they were intended, as light - hearted , at worst badly considered jokes i would like to see some real times where i have, not as a joke
a) either made fun of scores that are widely regarded as exceptional
b) displayed my 'elitest' view.
Imagine if i was the mod, would you still attack me in this manner? you are abusing your power as a moderator. Who else, except for perhaps other mods, would leap to my defence in the face of such a blithering attack? Just as i cannot go through life with an 'elitest' mentality, you cannot go through life abusing any power given to you, and squashing all those inferior to you.
Maybe my jokes didn't convey well over the internet. Maybe i have a warped sense of humour. Maybe i should rectify this. maybe i aim high and would personally be disappointed with still great scores. This does not mean i view these scores as 'bad'. If you've beaten 90+% of the state in anything, it means you are in at least the top 10 %. Someone aiming for 50 ATAR would be extremely happy with 55 ATAR. someone aiming for 90 would be disappointed with 55 ATAR. of coursee, thhis changes nothing objectvely, a 95 is still a 95 is still a 95 better than 95 percent of the state.
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Locked
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Bazza, please do not take this as an attack on you as a person, this isn't "stemming" from anything, you're very aware that I have a friendly/joking attitude towards you both on the internet and in real life, this doesn't mean that I'm unable to criticize you (or vice-versa).
I'm attacking an attitude that some people share on this forum, which I think your initial post seems to convey to a bunch of people (see + - 1s). Don't bring the fact that I'm a moderator into it, you know me well enough in real life that I'll criticize something regardless of authority. You'll find that as mods we suddenly have to suppress any sort of opinion that we have, as you'll see quite clearly if you have a look through my posts before and after being made one. You'll also find that I have never aside from perhaps one or two early occasions in my 8 months, actually exercised any additional powers that a moderator has - whether it be banning, locking etc.)
That said if something really bothers me I will post.
As for naming, I just don't think it is particularly nice. I know I wouldn't like it myself. Yes Flasha did very well, but take into account scaling, mechanics of the top 4 and bottom 2, he is still under the same system everyone else is, and I'm sure that is something that can be respected by anyone.
I also have no issue with arguing with other mods, it happens on several occasions and there isn't particularly anything bitter about it. I've shut down enwiabe on both heated debates and on some of his suggestions, and we both understand that it is not a personal thing, moreso an issue of having a problem with certain attitudes.
I would be tempted to lock this thread, but I think there would be cries of "power-abuse", but if you do have any further issues, I would ask you to respectfully take it to PM or FB chat and I'm happy to talk to you provided no bitterness.
edit: I didn't lock it, but once again I'm very happy to take it to PM
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I have locked it because there is apparently nothing more anyone has to say on the actual topic.
Please take it to PM, thanks.