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Archived Discussion => 2011 => Mid-year exams => Results Discussion => Victoria => Psychology => Topic started by: playsimme on August 11, 2011, 06:32:26 pm
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Alright I received my statement of marks.
For question 3, I got 0/4 possible marks.. which means both examiners marked me 0. I don't get it, I wrote state-dependent and context-dependent cues and explained them both so I thought I would've got the 2 marks.. or at least 1/2 at least if I forgot to relate it back to the question.
Also I clearly remember writing 'brief eye movement or if something blocks the radar' for question 9b, and it was wrong.. both examiners marked me wrong again :(
Should I order my script and if it's wrong will it get remarked? I feel a little jibbed but I'm pretty happy otherwise, should I just leave it?
Thanks
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@ssNake, if you have no helpful advice, stop hijacking threads with your issues.
@playsimme, you could always arrange an inspection of your exam, but IIRC VCAA generally do not change your marks unless there's been a significant error (e.g. the examiners have missed a page or something). Speak to your teacher about it, also you might want to contact VCAA to ascertain what their policy is on this.
edit: http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/adminpolicies/reportstudentachievemnt/scripts.html
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Thankyou! it's weird because I got marks on the questions I thought I bombed but lost significant ones on the questions I thought I nailed. I'll definitely ask my teacher and get her opinion.
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Really should encourage people to inspect their exams. They only say that so students are reluctant to get an inspection.
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For the question where I got 0 marks from each examiner, do you think they would've missed the question, maybe due to the new scanning procedure or something? Because I spoke to my teacher after the exam and she said state and context dependent was right.. Is this missing a question a possibility due to the new marking scheme or am I being paranoid
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Seems like you got two 'bad' examiners :P
...and nah, they wouldn't have missed the whole question. That's wishful thinking.
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if you got it wrong then i could have gotten it wrong. i could be just a few marks from A+. what the hellllllll i can't understand why you would get 0.
if i get my exam rechecked, and mistakes were found with their marking...lol do i get them marks or what?
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Just to put it into perspective I got 1/2 for that question and 2/2 and I wrote word-to-word definitions + encoding specificity principle.
Seems like they marked it like a bitch.....you'll not get any more marks for it.
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I put word to word definitions too, were they all pissed off marking it or something? I mean come on. Oh snake did you refer to the scenario at all?
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Of course I did...you integrate the word-to-word definition into the scenario + add extra (encoding specificity principle)
and I still got 3/4.
sigh. such is life.
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@ssNake, if you have no helpful advice, stop hijacking threads with your issues.
@playsimme, you could always arrange an inspection of your exam, but IIRC VCAA generally do not change your marks unless there's been a significant error (e.g. the examiners have missed a page or something). Speak to your teacher about it, also you might want to contact VCAA to ascertain what their policy is on this.
edit: http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/adminpolicies/reportstudentachievemnt/scripts.html
how can you tell if they missed a page if there's no marking on the paper ninwa?
I got 2/4 on the easiest SA question in the whole exam :'(
1a)
only question on the page, maybe one examiner missed it?
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hmm so how can i get my exam rechecked as in what are the procedures? now i am seriously doubting if my A was fair.
also for extended, reckon that if my handwriting is considered messy to them, i would have lost some marks too?
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Your essay will never be changed.
If two examiners disagree by a certain limit it goes up to a higher ranked examiner and then higher and higher...until the chief assessor himself marks it.
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if you got it wrong then i could have gotten it wrong. i could be just a few marks from A+. what the hellllllll i can't understand why you would get 0.
if i get my exam rechecked, and mistakes were found with their marking...lol do i get them marks or what?
Same, I just wanna find my teacher's opinion when we go through my script. I still don't get how putting two perfect definitions which are obviously the right answer warrants a 0/2 from BOTH examiners. Even if I forgot to fully relate back to the question.. it should be 1/2. Either they both hate messy writing or missed the page.. and idk I hope so..
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uggggh god how annoying. i thought these people are out to give us marks -.-
anyway i wasn't referring to what i wrote, i just meant that just incase they thought my handwriting was like unreadable ...and penalise me for it :/
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um obviously?
if it's unreadable....it's unreadable.
how can you get marks for something you can't read? :S
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i know mate but...i cant get a freakin 0 that would be sooo unfair!. i mean i write fast so that i don't forget the point im gonna write. and my hand hurts by the time i got up to there, so writing went down hill. but it wasn't that bad you see. messy but not that bad.
i did write two pages full. and seeing they were going with their gut feeling on the marking, im sure i did ok in that section. i don;t want to lose marks over something so stupid as writing
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this ssNake bloke sounds like a bit of a tool.
anyway, I suggest you get your paper inspected, even if you found out you made suome mistakes, it will at least put your mind at ease.
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I agree Jdog... ssNake, just because you got a high score, there is a possibility others were marked unfairly or "badly."
Sorry, but if the same shit happened to you, and someone said what you said to this person, I wouldn't think I was top shit.
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Assessors are normal human beings that are being paid to mark papers. They can be unfair or pissed off and decide to take marks off for unreasonable reasons. Get it inspected for your own sake.
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Err calm down.
It's a rule of thumb: it's exactly the same for English essays.
if you can't read the thing how the f do you get marks for the thing?
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dude relax its not literally chicken scratch. like the user above said, they could have just pissed off or tired and fed up so just be like oh stuff this shit you get X out of 15. and i dont think we need external factors like that to ruin the amount of marks i could have possibly gotten.
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Have you even got your statement? :S
Funny if you end up getting 15/15 and lost your marks in MCQ/SA :P
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lol yeah that would have been ironic. but i highly doubt haha. a 15 is sooo welcomed
your right i haven't got the statement yet maybe i will but for now this is just bugging me..
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^Thats exactly what happened to me. Scored 13 for extended and got marked like a bitch on SA.. defs getting it inspected. To get marks changed what would they have to consider - to reiterate it; how would VCAA know it was 'unfair/they missed a page' to begin with to consider remarking? (Since they dont mark the paper)
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i know mate but...i cant get a freakin 0 that would be sooo unfair!. i mean i write fast so that i don't forget the point im gonna write. and my hand hurts by the time i got up to there, so writing went down hill. but it wasn't that bad you see. messy but not that bad.
i did write two pages full. and seeing they were going with their gut feeling on the marking, im sure i did ok in that section. i don;t want to lose marks over something so stupid as writing
Whilst I agree that it's quite unlikely for your marks to be changed, if you think that a question wasn't assessed or was missed then you should ask the VCAA to make sure it was. If you just disagree with a mark, it's almost certainly not going to be changed because lost marks are almost always justifiable, even if you're not sure why
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lay off ssnaKe. I think all he's saying is that no - matter how much you've felt hard done by, if the examiner can't read your writing, no amount of complaining will change that. It is highly unlikely that you lost marks due to this, most likely is they didn't like your answer Some people have said they have machines to ensure you don't get a 0 but i'm not sure about it.This is the unfortunate truth.
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Nemo get your statement - trust me!! it'll put you at ease.. don't assume you got 0, that's what paranoia does to people :P
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WOuld there be much point complaining?
like I heard that VCAA don't generally change anything because it would affect the grade distributions which would mess up everyone else's mark
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@playsimme: when you get it inspected at vcaa, does your teacher come? and what happens during inspection is it like just you get to see it or the examiner marks it again?
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The VCAA will send your school a photocopy of your exam, which you can look at with your teacher. You can't copy it and it gets shredded after you've examined it.
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i think then ill just get the som. vcaa site says assessors comments won't even be on the script anyway soo..
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this ssNake bloke sounds like a bit...
...like ATAR/iNerd actually. Does the same subjects too ???
Although ssNake's respect is about 22 higher than iNerd/ATAR's... There are similarities though.
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if you feel jibbed, what you can do is order an 'inspection of examination script' which is a photocopied version of your exam.
then, you and a teacher (one that teaches psych 3/4) can go over the paper. if he/she believes ur response to the question deserved marks and got none, she can get vcaa to remark your stuff
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Turns out the answer was JUST context dependent cues, went through with my teacher (she's an assessor). If you put both they mark the first one you put down, and I put down state-dependent first, fml
(If it was not state-dependent.. why on earth would they include the word 'conditions' in the description?! stupid q)
Anyway, I am at ease now, just need to work harder for end of year.. and make sure I don't make RETARDED mistakes such as MISSING A MULTIPLE CHOICE -__________-"
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ohemgee are you serious!!! you still wrote it down though wth..this is unbelievable. VCE shouldn't be about competition and doing anything to separate people..just it should be about how well you know the content and your ability to display your learnt knowledge. so what if everyone does well that way, why wouldn't we want that?
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ohemgee are you serious!!! you still wrote it down though wth..this is unbelievable. VCE shouldn't be about competition and doing anything to separate people..just it should be about how well you know the content and your ability to display your learnt knowledge. so what if everyone does well that way, why wouldn't we want that?
then how do you decide who deserves a uni course if everyone does well?
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Whilst I don't know the specifics of the question, that's fair enough unfortunately. If you write multiple answers, they only mark the first one to stop people writing everything they can think of in order to assure themselves of the marks.
And as for everyone doing well...yeah, that'd be nice, but the main function of VCE is to produce a rank for selection for higher study so...if everyone got an A+...
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ohemgee are you serious!!! you still wrote it down though wth..this is unbelievable. VCE shouldn't be about competition and doing anything to separate people..just it should be about how well you know the content and your ability to display your learnt knowledge. so what if everyone does well that way, why wouldn't we want that?
then how do you decide who deserves a uni course if everyone does well?
well why can't everyone be able to be accepted in the course they want if they done well? its not like we won't be working hard this year, but these stupid trick questions don't have to be included..
like look i have a friend who is a super nerd in maths right but couldn't get a good mark in further because of the limited time you have in that exam. so despite knowing how to answer the questions, he just wasn't given the opportunity to do so because timing isn't on your side. get me?
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otherwise a he could have nailed the exams. and also theres always the potential of doing silly mistakes with maths so they don't even have time to double check. at least there should be a reasonable amount of time given.
honestly this is my opinion, but then again i think back to everyone else who gets 50's or whatever in these exams and think oh my....
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I completely understand, but unfortunately there will always be a need to separate students based on academic ability. It's still present at university, but less obvious because there's no overt scaling etc.
And again, yes, it'd be nice if people could get into the course they want but unfortunately there are real world concerns :(
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world concerns? what do you mean?
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world concerns? what do you mean?
For example, you'd like your lawyer to be educated. No point having a lawyer if they can't read and write.
(extreme example, but hopefully you get the idea :) )
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^^ lol yeah gotcha on that one, but its not like I'm saying pass us all without us doing any study. sure we still have to meet requirements and all. plus, you can always fail in uni soo..
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Not really, I mean real world = practical. There are a limited amount of places at uni. They have to be distributed somehow and academic ranking is the "best" way of doing that for most courses.
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hmm yeah true again..but they could always build new campuses and have more uni's around. creates more jobs, gives everyone a place to go and more income for the uni itself.
but then again, this would only happen in a perfect world i know what your saying.
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I'm kind of confused,
Do you compare the 'Score obtained' and the 'Max score'?
What about the extended response? the same thing?
Thankss.