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Archived Discussion => UMAT => Exam Discussion => Victoria => 2011 => Topic started by: pi on September 19, 2011, 07:04:10 pm
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Just to clear this up, do they go by OVERALL SCORE or PERCENTILE? I heard from the open day lecture that they'd be using OVERALL SCORE. But, may have misheard.
Any info/clarifications?
Also, any predictions for this year? From memory, it was 62 last year...
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Just to clear this up, do they go by OVERALL SCORE or PERCENTILE?
My question is, does it really matter? The percentiles are based off the overall scores anyway. So the most that could happen is people getting cut off in a percentile-based system due to them being rounded off.
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Just to clear this up, do they go by OVERALL SCORE or PERCENTILE?
My question is, does it really matter? The percentiles are based off the overall scores anyway. So the most that could happen is people getting cut off in a percentile-based system due to them being rounded off.
The dude said that there was actually some difference in percentile vs overall. I think they might restrict to people over 50 in each section. Just a rumour I heard though.
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i got 92 percentile Im praying that I will get an ATAR/UMAT stream offer at the end of the year. I think if I work really hard i can get ~99.8
so for my sake haha im hoping the cutoff is 94
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I'm hoping that 63 is the cut-off (overall scores). That would make sense from the past increases.
62: 2010, 2009
61: 2008
... etc.
EDIT: I doubt I can get over 99.2... So I'm hoping I scrape in with 63 :)
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but the thing is 62 was a percentile of 93
so i don't think itll go down in terms of percentiles
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but the thing is 62 was a percentile of 93
so i don't think itll go down in terms of percentiles
Don't think so. I got 63 overall with 92 percentile (edit: so did you!). I think they changed it so more 'all-rounders' get a chance. Not just those with one or two 75+ scores and a low 50s (usually in S2).
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no im saying LAST year, an overall score of 62 was equivalent to 93
where as THIS year 63 = 92
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theres a rumour going around that theres a min. threshold for monash this yaeer? similar to UQ's 50 50 50?
True or false?
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theres a rumour going around that theres a min. threshold for monash this yaeer? similar to UQ's 50 50 50?
True or false?
I heard this too, not 100% sure though. Seems like a good idea tbh, makes all sections of the UMAT count.
@jdog
Hmmm, not sure what will happen then. Hopefully they don't increase by more than 1 though :)
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But they are offering less first-round interviews, so I think the cutoff will go up... to 95 or something?
Does anyone know when you'll be notified if you get a first-round (purely UMAT) interview?
And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
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in october people get told about interviews
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Do you get a rejection email/letter?
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From the undergrad guide:
Pre-selection will be based on the UMAT result calculated as the unweighted sum of the three section scores. A minimum score of 150 is required to be considered.
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And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
And therefore cut thushan!?!?! Impossible.
Luke, 150 seems a bit low doesn't it?
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And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
And therefore cut thushan!?!?! Impossible.
And cut pretty much all of us hahahaha
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And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
And therefore cut thushan!?!?! Impossible.
And cut pretty much all of us hahahaha
That's the idea.... :P
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And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
And therefore cut thushan!?!?! Impossible.
And cut pretty much all of us hahahaha
That's the idea.... :P
:'(
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And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
And therefore cut thushan!?!?! Impossible.
And cut pretty much all of us hahahaha
That's the idea.... :P
:'(
Actually no, I think they should just make it a 60 cutoff for section 2.... :D
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And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
I second this motion ;)
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est-ce que vous avez reussi mon pote?
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And I hope there is a 50-50-50 cutoff! Actually I think they should make it 60-60-60... ;)
I second this motion ;)
How did you go?
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est-ce que vous avez reussi mon pote?
Ouais, heureusement. 98%ile.
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the presentation made by Monash Uni say that the cut-off score was 183 ( total raw score) last year?
If that's the case, then the students who got 92% or so ( raw score between 188-190) are maybe still in with a chance?
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Bare minimum is 150 total for all three sections under all three streams.
Friend rang Monash Uni admissions, and the guy made a prediction of the UMAT cutoff
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I got
S1: 53 (yeah it killed me)
S2: 62
S3: 62 (yup this too)
total = 177
overall score = 59
percentile of 83.
im pretty disappointed but looking at last years results the umat this year seems more challenging. Do i still have a chance of med?
and wow 150??? really without weighting?
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no if you want 150 minimum for umat you need to get the monash excellence award; that is get an atar of 99.95.
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Sorry, misunderstanding.
UMAT minimum for all three streams is 150. However, based on demand (they take top 400 for UMAT stream) the UMAT cutoff will be in the vicinity of ~200.
For ATAR stream (99.95) minimum UMAT is indeed just 150.
For ATAR/UMAT stream they mash together ATAR and UMAT, and interview top 200 who didnt already get an interview. UMAT minimum is 150, but UMAT needed depends on ATAR, which has to be probs 99+.
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so if someone had really beast scores in section 1 and 3 but low scores for section 2 (<50) and even tho they get 98 percentile, they can't get a monash interview?
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Because percentiles are quite a lot lower this year comparatively for the same raw score obtained last year, I'd say it's possible for the percentile cutoff to be less than last year, even after taking into account the changes made with the umat and atar/umat streams.
Careers teacher at my school was indicating today that 185 total would be around the cutoff this year. I don't know if this is definitive but she got the info from Monash so I suppose it should be heartening for some. =)
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If percentiles are lower for the same raw score, shouldn't the cut off be HIGHER?
i.e. hypothetically:
2010: Overall 60 -> 90%ile
2011: Overall 60 -> 88%ile
Wouldn't that mean more people got higher Overall Scores in 2011? ..making the cut off higher?
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hmm yea that is pretty valid. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see, not much point speculating with not fully certain information even if it was from a fairly reliable source.
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yeah, i agree with tea.towel
if only your careers counsellor was correct! haha
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so if someone had really beast scores in section 1 and 3 but low scores for section 2 (<50) and even tho they get 98 percentile, they can't get a monash interview?
Yes he/she can. Total 150, not 50-50-50.
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The 50/50/50 rule applies only at UQ, that I know of
Even if you get 100th percentile, you won't get in unless you get 50/50/50
But anyway, my prediction on the UMAT for this year would probably be higher cut-off for the Main Interviews, purely because there's less spaces, but I'm not a huge fan of the whole new ATAR/UMAT stream, it sounds a tad bit far-fetched to me, and I think we all feel the same way about anything after the Main Round being "dodgy" in some sense
I think that if they do intend to have a stream to cater for those with high ATAR's yet low UMAT's, they should just have an ATAR + Interview, and disregard UMAT, possibly reduce their 99.95 for the ATAR stream down to like 99.75 and chuck an interview in there
With UMAT, there's always those that are a fan of it, because doing well on it compensates for doing well on the ATAR, and there's always those that hate it because they did badly on it and now they won't get a place even if their ATAR is good.
So, the only real way that will please everyone is to have two completely different streams, one normal one, and one based on ATAR/Interview only.
My suggestion is to make all the Bonded Medical Places into ATAR Only - that seems reasonable - it's about 1/3 of their places :P
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The 50/50/50 rule applies only at UQ, that I know of
Even if you get 100th percentile, you won't get in unless you get 50/50/50
But anyway, my prediction on the UMAT for this year would probably be higher cut-off for the Main Interviews, purely because there's less spaces, but I'm not a huge fan of the whole new ATAR/UMAT stream, it sounds a tad bit far-fetched to me, and I think we all feel the same way about anything after the Main Round being "dodgy" in some sense
I think that if they do intend to have a stream to cater for those with high ATAR's yet low UMAT's, they should just have an ATAR + Interview, and disregard UMAT, possibly reduce their 99.95 for the ATAR stream down to like 99.75 and chuck an interview in there
With UMAT, there's always those that are a fan of it, because doing well on it compensates for doing well on the ATAR, and there's always those that hate it because they did badly on it and now they won't get a place even if their ATAR is good.
So, the only real way that will please everyone is to have two completely different streams, one normal one, and one based on ATAR/Interview only.
My suggestion is to make all the Bonded Medical Places into ATAR Only - that seems reasonable - it's about 1/3 of their places :P
it should be ATAR only anyway
the whole UMAT concept is ridiculous and "far-fetched" in itself, something which you spend two years working towards (VCE) should count for much more than monash allows it to. sure you can go on about how UMAT details a person's 'ability to learn', though evidence of how they've actually learnt through their schooling should be seen as a better example.
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My suggestion is to make all the Bonded Medical Places into ATAR Only - that seems reasonable - it's about 1/3 of their places :P
You being serious here?
(it's also one quarter, that's the government stipulation)
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If percentiles are lower for the same raw score, shouldn't the cut off be HIGHER?
i.e. hypothetically:
2010: Overall 60 -> 90%ile
2011: Overall 60 -> 88%ile
Wouldn't that mean more people got higher Overall Scores in 2011? ..making the cut off higher?
Note that just because someone got 60 overall, that doesn't mean they got a certain percentile. I know of a case where the same total score (I think it was 200) meant percentiles of 3 apart (96 and 99). So percentiles aren't a good measure on cut-offs, and Monash has said they won't be using them (using overall score total instead -not the average score that I referred to earlier in my posts).
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You being serious here?
(it's also one quarter, that's the government stipulation)
It was a joke at the time, but now that I think about it, I think the idea doesn't sound too bad! :P
it should be ATAR only anyway
the whole UMAT concept is ridiculous and "far-fetched" in itself, something which you spend two years working towards (VCE) should count for much more than monash allows it to. sure you can go on about how UMAT details a person's 'ability to learn', though evidence of how they've actually learnt through their schooling should be seen as a better example.
i don't think they're looking so much for academic ability, but rather, they are trying to select who will become a better doctor
the truth is, i personally don't think that the UMAT really reflects on how good of a doctor people will be, considering many people just take prep courses :P
but i do admit, with the UMAT, it has opened up the door to a lot more students, who may not have had the opportunity to get in before, possibly because their background knowledge and foundations are weaker and they can't get an extremely high (99+) atar. the UMAT in its own right, is actually quite fair, because it supposedly relies on no exterior knowledge, but rather just thinking skills and life skills
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The 50/50/50 rule applies only at UQ, that I know of
Even if you get 100th percentile, you won't get in unless you get 50/50/50
But anyway, my prediction on the UMAT for this year would probably be higher cut-off for the Main Interviews, purely because there's less spaces, but I'm not a huge fan of the whole new ATAR/UMAT stream, it sounds a tad bit far-fetched to me, and I think we all feel the same way about anything after the Main Round being "dodgy" in some sense
I think that if they do intend to have a stream to cater for those with high ATAR's yet low UMAT's, they should just have an ATAR + Interview, and disregard UMAT, possibly reduce their 99.95 for the ATAR stream down to like 99.75 and chuck an interview in there
With UMAT, there's always those that are a fan of it, because doing well on it compensates for doing well on the ATAR, and there's always those that hate it because they did badly on it and now they won't get a place even if their ATAR is good.
So, the only real way that will please everyone is to have two completely different streams, one normal one, and one based on ATAR/Interview only.
My suggestion is to make all the Bonded Medical Places into ATAR Only - that seems reasonable - it's about 1/3 of their places :P
I definately don't agree with you when you say its dodgy. I am probably biased here because my 92nd percentile is only probably good enough for the atar/umat, but are you really telling me a person one below the cutoff is going to make a terrible doctor or is dodgy? Of course , I understand the nature of cutoffs and that some will be hard done by, but having something like a medicine course and not even offering a chance to those who were just off would be unfair. I mean last year, I know of a person who got 90 on their umat and 99.9. Do you think this person is rendred illegitimate to become study medicine, immediately, without being offered an interview but a person who got 93 but with an atar of 98 has an opportunity is fair?
of course i am biased here, because i am relying on one of these interviews, but i hav spoken to numerous high scoring umat guys who believe the same thing
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I definately don't agree with you when you say its dodgy. I am probably biased here because my 92nd percentile is only probably good enough for the atar/umat, but are you really telling me a person one below the cutoff is going to make a terrible doctor or is dodgy? Of course , I understand the nature of cutoffs and that some will be hard done by, but having something like a medicine course and not even offering a chance to those who were just off would be unfair. I mean last year, I know of a person who got 90 on their umat and 99.9. Do you think this person is rendred illegitimate to become study medicine, immediately, without being offered an interview but a person who got 93 but with an atar of 98 has an opportunity is fair?
of course i am biased here, because i am relying on one of these interviews, but i hav spoken to numerous high scoring umat guys who believe the same thing
LOL! no no, i'm not saying that they're dodgy because the people they take in are dodgy, in no way do I believe that anybody below the cut off will make a bad doctor
when I said dodgy, I meant more as in, there's not many details about how many places are actually available for this stream as well as the details being quite sketchy, i meant that monash is being dodgy in not having much formal info on it :P
sorry, on reading again, i see how i could have been misunderstood :D
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Guys, yes for the past few years the UMAT cut-off had been increasing, but by general rule of thumb it usually hovered in the 60-61 region. Monash usually accepted people with a percentile of 90-91 and over
HOWEVER, the reason there is an impression that the UMAT cut-offs are increasing moreso than they probably would is because last year Monash's cut-off took an untrendy leap to 92-93 percentile cutoff.
Hence it seems logical for many people to cause some panic by making suggestion such as the cut-off possibly being a drastic 94 percentile high.
So let me remind you all WHY the cut-off last year was unnaturally high, It was becuase Monash cut down their interviewee numbers from 750 to approximately 610 - hence, about 150 UMAT applicants had missed out where in previous years they would have gotten an interview (this change was due to the new MMI interviews being so long and taking a whopping 90 minutes to conduct)
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yes there will be a natural (probably, cannot guarantee this) increase in the UMAT cut-off as there has been in many previous years, BUTBUTBUT, the increase will be nowhere near as radical as last year's.
So my guess is that, as far as the overall picture goes, the UMAT cut-off may probably be just around the 91-92 range. If you got a 93 percentile and missed out I would think you were unlucky :S
So my final opinion is that 94 should be enough, 93 should shopefully get you in and 92 will probably still be the cut-off
So I think it will be 92/93
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What the hell were Monash doing that their MMI took 90 minutes to sit?
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9 stations 10minutes each isn't it?
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What the hell were Monash doing that their MMI took 90 minutes to sit?
9 stations, 8 minutes each, 2 minute break between I think?
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I thought there was a rest station for 10minutes?
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What the hell were Monash doing that their MMI took 90 minutes to sit?
Yep, as snake put it quite aptly himself - there are 9 stations which take 10 minutes each - Mind you, that in 90 minutes they can interview 9 students, but still, the overall process requires a lot of time, staff and arrangement - hell they had to practically re-arrange the second floor of John monash science building when I went there - hence they choose less peoole for ease and convenience.
Another point to note is that in previous interviews - monash could have BOTH qualified university briefed itnerviews AND members of the community interview side by side on a panel - NOW however, with stations only having one interviewer, monash have cut down on the number of community interviews they have taken to ensure that all their interviewers are either from the uni or are community members with great experience in having interviewed during previous years - therefore the number of interviewers monash has, has decreased leading to an inevitable decrease in interviewees last year.
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Yeah, I'm just surprised they opted for 10 minute stations, since 5-7 minutes are apparently optimal. Although USyd ran 9 minute stations, so I guess it's a matter of convenience
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I think the reason are saying the cutoff will increase drastically is because, they are offering around 400 straight UMAT interviews ans 200 Atar/UMAT combined interviews,
so essentially from 650 its going to become 400, hence the cutoff should be around 95 96
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Just on this, when do they actually release these stats? Even though we have enough People on here go work out the cutoff, I'd be interested to find out...
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I think the reason are saying the cutoff will increase drastically is because, they are offering around 400 straight UMAT interviews ans 200 Atar/UMAT combined interviews,
so essentially from 650 its going to become 400, hence the cutoff should be around 95 96
Wow - I was unaware of this, then yeah you are definitely correct
96 is too high, but I am now revising my previous opinion to 93-94. I still think students with 95 should get an offer comfortably
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You've also got to consider that the number of people sitting the UMAT increases every year!
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Just on this, when do they actually release these stats? Even though we have enough People on here go work out the cutoff, I'd be interested to find out...
I'd be [extremely] interested for myself next year!
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HI, I would appreciate some help, I received a UMAT score of 60%ile, which would obviously not make me competitive for Monash MBBS degree, however, I qualify for:
http://www.monash.edu.au/access/vc-scheme.html
and after contacting the university, they told me I would DEFINITELY receive an interview as I receive youth allowance and will qualify for ^^.
I'm a bit skeptical of this though as it seems too good to be true and I don't want to get my hopes up just yet, could somebody verify this/dash my dreams!
All help appreciated!
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You should call them rather than speculate, just give them a ring and they should tell you! :)
It's better than just speculating!
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You should call them rather than speculate, just give them a ring and they should tell you! :)
It's better than just speculating!
Hey man, I did call them and the lady said I would DEFINITELY receive an interview so long as I broke 150 combined in my UMAT and 90 in my ATAR. But it seems too good to be true and I would like confirmation from a reliable source within the MBBS admissions/thushan/shinny seeing as they seem to have contacts everywhere!
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Hmm. Given that you fall under this VC category, I presume that the minimum UMAT you need is simply 150 - and that the normal UMAT cutoff (which I'm predicting to be between 190 and 200) will not apply to you. I can't confirm though but I presume that to be the case :D
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It does seem too good to be true but...
I think that a member from last year received an interview and offer because of VC but I cant remember the username to ask her/him to comfirm... Drats!
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If you called the university and spoke to someone in the med admissions faculty, I'd put much more faith in what they said than what you hear on the internet.
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If you called the university and spoke to someone in the med admissions faculty, I'd put much more faith in what they said than what you hear on the internet.
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I dont have an idea who I talked to though, I just called the number on their website for enquiry. She could of just been in the ceebs with this random asian, Ill say yes mood.
Do you have a contact number for admissions faculty?
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I think you should give them a call and see if your situation falls into their category, because if you do, and they're saying that they will offer an interview to those in that category then you should be safe, but ask them clearly, and I doubt they would say yes if they didn't mean it
I'd say call the general enquiries and ask the operator to be put through to the medicine department, and you can ask them
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Do you think the pure UMAT interview cut off will go up to 96? Or do you think it will be around 94?
Damn.. I hate the waiting game...
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As I answered earlier in the thread - I only really think it will go up to 93, I honestly do not believe that people with 96 are going to be rejected in the UMAT stream of interviews, that being said I could be wrong,
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I personally think it'll be above what it was last year, which was 93rd Percentile - but I doubt it will be higher than 95
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I personally think it'll be above what it was last year, which was 93rd Percentile - but I doubt it will be higher than 95
nah nah last year was only 91-92, people with 92%iles could get an interview offer (I think), this year it should not be higher than 93