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Archived Discussion => Science => 2011 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Psychology => Topic started by: ben_sebastian4 on November 07, 2011, 04:53:51 pm
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What did you think about the exam? good or bad?
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Post your thoughts on the exam here :)
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It was a good exam the mc and extended response were pretty easy but SA was hard. But I didn't finish so the second half of the extended response was shit which will cost me big time becuase the cut Off for an a+ will be pretty high
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I loved it, so easy compared to the mid-year, anyone have a copy so I can start taking it apart and come up with some answers?
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Thought it was a very reasonable exam, I personally finished it with about 10 minutes remaining giving me plenty of time to look over my answers but i know heaps of people who were pressed for time, interested to see how other people went time wise?
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I missed a mark in the extended response by no more than two seconds. Stupid people who can't read clocks. Anyway, I like it. Some questions though were ambiguous as hell and I ended up guessing some multiple choice like question three. Never have heard of that before. Anyone have a copy of the exam?
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Some questions though were ambiguous as hell
Like the first short answer was fairly ambiguous, wasn't 100% as to where all the marks could be allocated to.
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Yeah some of the MC were shit as, few terms that i haven't even heard about. I mean i looked at the first questions and was just like SHIT, had to guess it
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Does anyone have a copy, i really wanna see the answers to some of the MC
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My name is Jason Agrotis and i thought the exam was great!, any answers to the multiple choice?
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the short answers were tough i thought...
Features of adaptive plasticity? rerouting, sprouting? i couldn't figure it out... so i wrote occurs in young children more than adults too..
4 marks for primary appraisal WHAT? couldn't figure out where the marks were...
3 marks for biofeedback? Where were marks?!
GABA did we talk about Benzodiapines? :-S
Extended response....
WHAT WAS THE POPULATION? YEAR 8 STUDENTS? OR STUDENTS WHO STUDY MATHEMATICS?
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-sigh-
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Was pretty good! Some of the MC were a bit tricky, SA I think I did ok and section C I wrote down everything I could think of that would get me marks
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shit I didnt speak about benzodiapines.. but I dont think we really needed too since the question asked for the role of GABA Im pretty sure, so i think we'd be okay just explaining what it is and does and how it contributes/is related to anxiety and phobias
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Thought it was harder than the midyear, didnt like the extended response and yeah some of the marking for the SA was a bit off.
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yeah it was harder than the midyear I agree, the section C this time would be more harder for the majority of state than alzheimers would have been. I hope this means lower A+ cut-off :P
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ANSWERS PLEASE!
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was alright exam... answers anyone please!
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I might be jinxing myself by saying this, but I felt I did much better in this one than I did the midterm.
There were some questions where I wasn't completely sure of my answer, but no OMG WHAT IS THIS moments. :D
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Some questions though were ambiguous as hell
Like the first short answer was fairly ambiguous, wasn't 100% as to where all the marks could be allocated to.
if thats the adaptive plasticity question i just put down sprouting and rerouting
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Yeah i hope the A+ cut off is lower, or if not around the same. surely it wont go up haha? i hope. :/
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i wrote the growth of dendtric spines and new synapses aare created.... could that get me the marks???
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was alright exam... answers anyone please!
We would do answers but Adrian has exams unfortunately. Glad to hear that people thought it was pretty fair albeit with a few ambiguous questions.
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Are you guys talking about the adaptive plasticity question in short answer?
Cause if you are what i wrote was stuff about how it can occur anytime during an individual's life and how it can be used to form new neural pathways after damage may have of occured.
Lol it looks like im the only one who wrote about that stuff and not the sprouting and rerouting of neurons, guess im either gonna be really lucky or really wrong ..
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Yeah i talked about the synapses and dendrites, as well as the overall purpose of adaptive plasticity for learning and to compensate for lost function.
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there was also this question in the MQ about snakes. the answer was either systematic desens, or flooding... anyone?
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i did flooding..
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OMG WAS IT CONTINUOS VARIABLE TO KEEP HIS ROOM CLEAN ALL WEEK? AHHHHHHHRHGH!
KILL MYSELF....
I WROTE VARIABLE RATIO SO HE DOESN'T KNOW WHEN HE'S GONNA RECEIVE HIS REINFORCEMENT !
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i did flooding..
really? i put systematic desens cos there was something abouut relaxation and i know flooding doesnt involve relaxation
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i did flooding..
really? i put systematic desens cos there was something abouut relaxation and i know flooding doesnt involve relaxation
Flooding does involve relaxation. The aim of flooding is that the patient will try and replace the feeling of anxiety with relaxation and that the major problem of flooding is that it rarely ever happens
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lol wasn't it variable interval- because it was initially at the end of the week meaning it was a fixed interval, but to
ensure the occurrence of the cleanliness becoming more frequently it would become variable interval- as that would keep him motivate to keep it clean????
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Are you guys talking about the adaptive plasticity question in short answer?
Cause if you are what i wrote was stuff about how it can occur anytime during an individual's life and how it can be used to form new neural pathways after damage may have of occured.
Lol it looks like im the only one who wrote about that stuff and not the sprouting and rerouting of neurons, guess im either gonna be really lucky or really wrong ..
I wrote what you wrote too, so i do hope you're lucky too!
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question 3 got me good.
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:(
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Flooding does involve relaxation. The aim of flooding is that the patient will try and replace the feeling of anxiety with relaxation and that the major problem of flooding is that it rarely ever happens
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i use grivas text book and in the phobias section for flooding the first sentence says it doesnt have a relaxation component
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What was the answer to MC question 3?????
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What was the answer to MC question 3?????
What was the question?
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i thought it was okay, but i ran out of time and had to rush back to finish off the multiple choice at the end. i thought it was easier than the midyear! :o
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I completely guessed question 3-I chose D lol
I've never even heard of experience dependent and experience expectant
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The question was something about some girl learning English, then Italian in high school- independent-expectant.. random question stuff.. I dropped my pen, landed on C. So C it was :)
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yeah I did what Zenica93 said, it was a fixed interval cos it was at the end of the week, but then a variable interval will make him keep it clean on a daily basis cos he wouldnt know when his mother will be chekcing it etc
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crapppp i did fixed ratiooo and continous to make sure he always cleans his room :/
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I wrote variable interval then switched to variable ratio...and I can't remember if I switched it back to variable interval...hopefully I did :P
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Dont panic! if you got that bit wrong you probably did other stuff that was correct while others got things wrong.. im pretty sure i stuffed up a couple of multiple choice questions.. those stupid trick questions about plasticity and if they increase or decrease etc drain it :(
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I completely guessed question 3-I chose D lol
I've never even heard of experience dependent and experience expectant
Yeah experience-dependant is adaptive plasticity and -expectant is developmental (Y)
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I thought it was a very accessible exam. Some of the multiple questions I thought were ambiguous and the mark allocation for the short answer was quite questionable, but it was much friendlier than the mid-years. I can speak for everyone when I say the Extended Response for this exam was a sigh of relief in comparison with *chokes* Alzheimer's.
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I completely guessed question 3-I chose D lol
I've never even heard of experience dependent and experience expectant
Yeah experience-dependant is adaptive plasticity and -expectant is developmental (Y)
:O
So did I guess it correctly?
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Not for me, didnt like the extended response haha, probably only got 5/10, whereas some alzheimers I scabbed a 12.5 :/
I dont know, mixed feelings about the exam :P
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i thought experience expectant had something to do with sensitive periods so i chose that for learning english
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was alright exam... answers anyone please!
We would do answers but Adrian has exams unfortunately. Glad to hear that people thought it was pretty fair albeit with a few ambiguous questions.
Half of it is a new study design.
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I completely guessed question 3-I chose D lol
I've never even heard of experience dependent and experience expectant
Yeah experience-dependant is adaptive plasticity and -expectant is developmental (Y)
:O
So did I guess it correctly?
i don't know. i can't remember the question LOL
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was the answer D. it said experience-expectant and experience-dependant respectively. ???
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MCQ was absolutely shocking.
I loved SA; ER was meh.
What did ppl put for the developmental plasticity (q4) and adaptive (q5)?
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Yeah i did that. dont remember which letter it was though :P
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It was D
It was fixed interval/variable-interval
but wtf was q4 and q5 about developmental and adaptive plasticity? (diminishes with age, increases, constant?) wtf?
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more importantly, what was that MCQ about snakes and putting him in the snake enclosure?
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Yeah, there were many questions in the multiple choice that made me go.... what? :o
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was the answer D. it said experience-expectant and experience-dependant respectively. ???
It was experience dependant and experience expectant respectively which I think was C. It's to do with critical and sensitive periods (critical periods are experience dependant, such as when learning your first language as a young child and sensitive periods are experience expectant and that's now believed to occur during adolescence)
And for the one about the boy cleaning his room, VCAA will probably have to accept both. My teacher said that although he mother was originally using variable-interval, textbook wise variable ratio has is most resistant to extinction.
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more importantly, what was that MCQ about snakes and putting him in the snake enclosure?
That was flooding
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Horrible MCQ
SA was hard in that you didn't really know what they wanted you to put for most questions >.>
ER was ok
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@ssNake: just went with the decrease/diminish (for both? - i think)
Also was it 0.5 for the classcal conditioning?
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was the answer D. it said experience-expectant and experience-dependant respectively. ???
It was experience dependant and experience expectant respectively which I think was C. It's to do with critical and sensitive periods (critical periods are experience dependant, such as when learning your first language as a young child and sensitive periods are experience expectant and that's now believed to occur during adolescence)
And for the one about the boy cleaning his room, VCAA will probably have to accept both. My teacher said that although he mother was originally using variable-interval, textbook wise variable ratio has is most resistant to extinction.
Not it was D. Experience expectant followed by experience dependent.
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I couldn't understand the mark allocation for the Transactional Model of Stress and Coping and the Biofeedback question. 4 marks and 3 marks, but I felt like no matter how much I wrote about them, it would never be enough marks >.<
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UGH i knew that, why didnt i choose flooding!!
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@ssNake: just went with the decrease/diminish (for both? - i think)
Also was it 0.5 for the classcal conditioning?
I did the same, and yes 0.5 for cc
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was the answer D. it said experience-expectant and experience-dependant respectively. ???
It was experience dependant and experience expectant respectively which I think was C. It's to do with critical and sensitive periods (critical periods are experience dependant, such as when learning your first language as a young child and sensitive periods are experience expectant and that's now believed to occur during adolescence)
And for the one about the boy cleaning his room, VCAA will probably have to accept both. My teacher said that although he mother was originally using variable-interval, textbook wise variable ratio has is most resistant to extinction.
Not it was D. Experience expectant followed by experience dependent.
Aren't sensitive periods experience expectant and critical periods experiencedependant?
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
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I don't understand what q4/5 is trying to test. Plasticity is the ability of the brain's neural structure or function to be changed throughout the lifespan. That's the Grivas definition...
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
There was no relaxation! I'm pretty sure the mention of relaxation was exclusively for the question above..
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Probably will be a lower cut-off than midyear but since it's quite a different format difficult to tell.
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no relaxation in flooding, thats graduated exposure or systematic desensitisation. It's just that during flooding, the psychologist usually gets the client to rate their anxiety until they are completely relaxed. But they're no distinctly pairing the fear with relaxation.
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It was D
It was fixed interval/variable-interval
but wtf was q4 and q5 about developmental and adaptive plasticity? (diminishes with age, increases, constant?) wtf?
yeah I know the plasticity one was weird :S I think i put developmental decreases with age and same with adaptive, but someone told me adaptive remains the same so I have no idea what I got right or wrong
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What was the answer to the multiple choice question about the grandfather and mother?
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but wtf was q4 and q5 about developmental and adaptive plasticity? (diminishes with age, increases, constant?) wtf?
Tell me about it! I just guessed "diminishes with age" even though I knew it would be wrong :( I fail at guessing multiple choice! :P
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
There is no relaxation in flooding, thats graduated exposure or systematic desensitisation. It's just that during flooding, the psychologist usually gets the client to rate their anxiety until they are completely relaxed. But they're no distinctly pairing the fear with relaxation.
There can be relaxation techniques used to replace for the fear.
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What was the answer to the multiple choice question about the grandfather and mother?
that was also fucked. it asked for what type of stress....harm/threat/challenge is NOT a type of stress wtf.
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If all I did for Section C was write the IV, DV and hypothesis for the intro, how many marks should that be? :(
Ugh, can't believe I ran out of time.
I finished the MC fairly quickly, within 20 minutes so I took my time for short answer. I could have done it alot faster but I sorta got a bit cocky and took my time with it. Then I looked up at the clock and there was 7 minutes left for me to do Section C. :(
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i put remains the same for developmental and decreases with age for adaptive. :|
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i put remains the same for developmental and decreases with age for adaptive. :|
THIS. LOVE YOU
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I really don't understand what is going with VCAA. The 2009 and 2010 exams were so straightforward in their multiple choice... and now we get these ambiguous questions! A new study design is no excuse, but I guess if it gets the spread of marks, it works... as much as we hate it...
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i put remains the same for developmental and decreases with age for adaptive. :|
THIS. LOVE YOU
I think I also choose this.
How did people do with time???
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Wrote till the last 3minutes then checked MCQ and didn't change one. Put sys desens but apparently it was flooding :(
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what MCQ about the grandfather or something?!?!? I dont even remember this one lol
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Stress is subjective in nature.
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I thought the Short answers were the most challenging due to the vast amounts of marks allocated...
I had 10 mins to spare ... :-S I did Extended response 15 mins, 25 mins for short answers and the rest for SA...
probably didn't use time wisely enough..
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I thought SA was the easiest section and MCQ was the hardest :/
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still cant remember :\ i wouldnt have skipped anything though cos i finished the last question on the last box, i probably just cant remember cos i was so stressed
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me too. MCQ was way too ambiguous
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I thought SA was the easiest section and MCQ was the hardest :/
Lol really? MCQ was fairly easy IMO
But there were a couple stupid questions...
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what did everyone put for the adaptive plasticity short answer? like the features of adaptive plasticity? I put that the brain changes its neural structure or function as a result of everyday experience and changes to compensate for damage. I dont think ill get the marks though.
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I thought SA was the easiest section and MCQ was the hardest :/
The issue for most people, including myself, is that we had not answered those types of questions before >.>
So while most of the responses were quite clear in what would be right, it was hard to word and actually respond to them in a way that would get full marks...I dunno, I found that I didn't know specifically what they wanted, so I ended up writing heaps for each question
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what did everyone put for the adaptive plasticity short answer? like the features of adaptive plasticity? I put that the brain changes its neural structure or function as a result of everyday experience and changes to compensate for damage. I dont think ill get the marks though.
I put
-occurs in response to brain trauma
-can change the role of certain brain areas in order to compensate for the brain trauma
Probs get 1 mark or something :/
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How bad was the exam-split.
I think about 8 on Lazarus....4 on plasticity....
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Yeah the adaptive plasticity question was silly....I really hated these questions.
For adaptive plasticity I put down everything lol, I had know idea what "features were", I guessed they were either
-compensates for loss of function
-enables adjustment to experience
OR
-rerouting
-sprouting
I put everything down >.>
And they had a question about the strengths and limitations of CBT for Depression...the fuck? We never learnt the strengths and weaknesses of CBT at all, like I genuinely had to completely make up stuff on the spot...a really badly written exam, something I really never expected from VCAA. The mid year I thought was ok - with the exception of section C, but this exam was horrid.
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I thought SA was the easiest section and MCQ was the hardest :/
The issue for most people, including myself, is that we had not answered those types of questions before >.>
So while most of the responses were quite clear in what would be right, it was hard to word and actually respond to them in a way that would get full marks...I dunno, I found that I didn't know specifically what they wanted, so I ended up writing heaps for each question
THIS!
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for question 3 would continous reinforcement get any marks?
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for question 3 would continous reinforcement get any marks?
Doubt it. That's actually the quickest to extinguish and the question wanted consistency :/
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what did everyone put for the adaptive plasticity short answer? like the features of adaptive plasticity? I put that the brain changes its neural structure or function as a result of everyday experience and changes to compensate for damage. I dont think ill get the marks though.
I put this (but tried to not make it look like I was just pulling definition out of book) and also put "it can occur at any time throughout the lifespan in response to a person's encounters with their environment (e.g. through an acquired head injury in a car crash)..
I was kind of panicked when my friends said they put rerouting and sprouting :O I thought they were the processes of it, not the key features :-\ :-\ :-\
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And they had a question about the strengths and limitations of CBT for Depression...the fuck? We never learnt the strengths and weaknesses of CBT at all, like I genuinely had to completely make up stuff on the spot...a really badly written exam, something I really never expected from VCAA. The mid year I thought was ok - with the exception of section C, but this exam was horrid.
haha yeah..what'd you write?
I wrote the strength is that it takes into account thought processed and behaviours and tries to replace the negative thought with positive thoughts.
For weakness, I said it doesn't attempt to fix any underlying biological causes of major depression
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
Even so, the question said they were gonna chuck him straight into the snake enclosure with no help or support... how on earth could that ever be systematic desensitization...?
It could only of been flooding since there was no fear heirachy involved and they didn't work up to it eg, looking at pictures of snakes, watching tv show about snakes, looking at snake outside enclosure... they just chucked the poor bloke straight in there which is flooding!
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The appraisal question worth 4 marks was just.....
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
Even so, the question said they were gonna chuck him straight into the snake enclosure with no help or support... how on earth could that ever be systematic desensitization...?
It could only of been flooding since there was no fear heirachy involved and they didn't work up to it eg, looking at pictures of snakes, watching tv show about snakes, looking at snake outside enclosure... they just chucked the poor bloke straight in there which is flooding!
it said learned relaxation response. that's where people got fooled...not as easy as you made it out to be :(
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so in mid years they freakin be dumb about it and give us a stupid section c.
Now they bloody get all weird on us with ambiguous SA.
Thanks VCAA.
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
Even so, the question said they were gonna chuck him straight into the snake enclosure with no help or support... how on earth could that ever be systematic desensitization...?
It could only of been flooding since there was no fear heirachy involved and they didn't work up to it eg, looking at pictures of snakes, watching tv show about snakes, looking at snake outside enclosure... they just chucked the poor bloke straight in there which is flooding!
it said learned relaxation response. that's where people got fooled...not as easy as you made it out to be :(
Yeah i guess that's true.. but i think i just ignored that and went straight to the fact that he was put straight into the enclosure lol :)
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Section C was shit, use of the word "weaknesses" very very annoying, should have been more specific like "extraneous/confounding variables". Terrible wording of the question and gave a very vague idea of mark allocation in my opinion. Ugh.
I agree with everyone saying some of the MC were ambiguous...
Short answers were okay but I didn't like the question where we were only asked to write about primary appraisal for those 2 girls. And strengths and weaknesses of CBT? I agree - out of all the things to talk about with CBT they pick something not in the study design and that is not in the books.
The snake question I thought was strange too. flooding doesn't really involve relaxation, but I guess it's implied as eventually anxiety diminishes and a new association is made. Definitely wasn't any of the other answers though.
overall not a very well written exam, but not overly hard in terms of content. However what did makes it ten times harder was when, as I said about CBT, they put stuff in that no one even has an an opportunity to LEARN. it just pisses me off. There's SO much on the study design can't they bloody stick to it to make it a tiny bit easier for students.
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And they had a question about the strengths and limitations of CBT for Depression...the fuck? We never learnt the strengths and weaknesses of CBT at all, like I genuinely had to completely make up stuff on the spot...a really badly written exam, something I really never expected from VCAA. The mid year I thought was ok - with the exception of section C, but this exam was horrid.
i totally agree!
i just made up shit too
for a strength i said something along the lines that it addresses cognitive bias' or something which is a major cause of thinking in people with the depression and the behaviours
for a disadvantage i said requires motivation and participation, which they are obviously lacking. lol
SECTION C = :(((((((
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What did you guys write for the hypothesis for extended response? i think i did the population wrong :/ I wrote Year 8 (whatever the school's name was) students
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The appraisal question worth 4 marks was just.....
OMG THIS WAS TERRIBLE!
Was it Sally? LOL ok for question sake it's Sally.
Did she interpret this as Harm/Loss or Threat?
I knew Audrey was Challenge but i wasn't sure about Sally.
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If I wrote the IV, DV and hypothesis, how many marks is that worth? :/
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DAMMIT forgot to mention harm/loss/threat!
I was wondering where the 4 marks would come from!
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What did you guys write for the hypothesis for extended response? i think i did the population wrong :/ I wrote Year 8 (whatever the school's name was) students
Even knowing it said to investigate impact of positive reinforcement on students of mathematics, i wrote the population as year 8 students... so stupid... urghh. :(
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If I wrote the IV, DV and hypothesis, how many marks is that worth? :/
Its hard to say because there was A LOT of stuff that you COULD say in discussion.
From previous exams I had done, and according to my teacher it was something like
-IV + Operationalised = 2
-same for DV
-1 for hypothesis
I dunno though, it might just be 3 marks, just have to wait and see
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there was nothing on Little Albert LMAO!
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Sally - harm/loss and threat
Audrey - challenge
I used the extra response space for that Q
Population - y8 students at w/e school it was
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What did you guys write for the hypothesis for extended response? i think i did the population wrong :/ I wrote Year 8 (whatever the school's name was) students
Even knowing it said to investigate impact of positive reinforcement on students of mathematics, i wrote the population as year 8 students... so stupid... urghh. :(
Bahhhh so we were meant to write students of mathematics in the hypothesis? lameeeeeee
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more importantly, what was that MCQ about snakes and putting him in the snake enclosure?
it was flooding
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I said year 8 students too. Omg. that question was just horrible and I basically wrote and wrote and wrote, SO BLOODY VAGUE.
Nothing on Freud :( Hardly any phobia questions at all actually. Lol that's the interesting stuff. :(
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If I wrote the IV, DV and hypothesis, how many marks is that worth? :/
Your guess is as good as all of ours I think but in my opinion I think it's
1 mark for IV
1 mark for operationalised IV
1mark for DV
1 mark for operationalised DV
2 marks for Hypothesis (Population + correct variables)
1 mark for accept/reject hypothesis and why(statistical significance)
1 mark for confounding variable
1 mark for control of confounding variable
1 mark for for conclusion and generalisations made but then i said no generalisations 'cus the sample was convenient...
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I found MCQ to be a mixture of really hard+ambigious, and really easy. the ones which were like 'what type of learning is this?' I found really easy...and there were quite a few of those ones
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Poor poor split. 8 whole marks on Lazarus. 4 on plasticity.
lol did everyone put fMRI for the imaging technique? total lol if VCAA marks it tightly and say you have to write "functional magnetic resonance imaging"
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i put FMRI too!
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I know but I put the whole thing just in case. It's VCAA after all....
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lol did everyone put fMRI for the imaging technique? total lol if VCAA marks it tightly and say you have to write "functional magnetic resonance imaging"
I WROTE fMRI
OH MY GOD! IF I GET IT WRONG BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE WHOLE THING I WILL EAT ROGER EDWARDS.
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Poor poor split. 8 whole marks on Lazarus. 4 on plasticity.
lol did everyone put fMRI for the imaging technique? total lol if VCAA marks it tightly and say you have to write "functional magnetic resonance imaging"
Woo, I put fMRI as well. I thought about what VCAA might do so I wrote "fMRI-functional magnetic resonance imaging' 8)
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If I wrote the IV, DV and hypothesis, how many marks is that worth? :/
Your guess is as good as all of ours I think but in my opinion I think it's
1 mark for IV
1 mark for operationalised IV
1mark for DV
1 mark for operationalised DV
2 marks for Hypothesis (Population + correct variables)
1 mark for accept/reject hypothesis and why(statistical significance)
1 mark for confounding variable
1 mark for control of confounding variable
1 mark for for conclusion and generalisations made but then i said no generalisations 'cus the sample was convenient...
If its that, then i got full marks yeh boiiiiiiiii. Unless my population in the hypothesis and the confounding variable was wrong. Which it could very well be. My confounding variable was independent groups = order effects, cos it said weaknesses in the experimental design
Also chucked in that class A might have been tired the first time they performed or had a day so that may have been a confounding variable...pointless and irrelevant info in a state of panic
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Poor poor split. 8 whole marks on Lazarus. 4 on plasticity.
lol did everyone put fMRI for the imaging technique? total lol if VCAA marks it tightly and say you have to write "functional magnetic resonance imaging"
Woo, I put fMRI as well. I thought about what VCAA might do so I wrote "fMRI-functional magnetic resonance imaging' 8)
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do you reckon they will penalise us?
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Ah bro independent groups does not equal order effect. That's repeated measures.
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Ah bro independent groups does not equal order effect. That's repeated measures.
ah SHIT
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damn why did i put PET scan
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FML
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was the main confounding variable individual differences? I also threw in experimenter bias in desperation haha.
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I wrote different teachers (non standardised instructions and procedures) as well as differences in gender (unequal split female/male) and differences in intelligence.
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Oh yeah those are good ones snake :) I didnt even think of the teacher one fml. I did put in gender somewhere, but I think that was for generalisation.
oh well at least everyone thought it was shit. its a ranking after all. hopefully the cut off will be like 80 haha.
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was the main confounding variable individual differences? I also threw in experimenter bias in desperation haha.
lol, i put that in aswell.
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Ah bro independent groups does not equal order effect. That's repeated measures.
I was gonna write order effects but then i realised they were independent groups but then s/he still might be right 'cus they did a numeracy test twice?
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Ohhh i wrote the teacher thing as well. That the teacher was told to continue teaching as normal, but this could have involved previously positively reinforcing the students if that was what she normally did but who knows.
Also what were your answers for gambling?
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Talk about your detailed studies in the detailed studies thread...
Did everyone find it weird how they asked for two DSM criticisms in MCQ? q45 and somewhere in the middle
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Isn't PET scan correct, along with fMRI? :-\
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i hope they accept PET
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lol cant wait to find out what the cut off will be
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Isn't PET scan correct, along with fMRI? :-\
I was tossing up between MRI (structural) and PET (functional) but then i just threw in fMRI 'cus it does both...
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I think PET will be accepted :)
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lol cant wait to find out what the cut off will be
You think it'll be low? A lot of people in my school were like it's gonna be so high haha :/
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how was the appraisal question with the two girls worth 4 marks?
I just said that for one it was appraised as stressful and a threat and the other that it wasn't stressful and appraised as a challenge. for the MC what did you guys do for the mum who felt bad because her daughter had to work more to support the family? I said it was a social stressor
and for the question with the girl who was struggling to balance her school work with her part-time job, was the homework a social stressor? or was it a environmental or cultural or something?
The major depression one sucked with the limitations and strengths of cbt. lol I said that it helps eliminate behavioural inactivation symptoms and increase mood and i said as a limitation that it was time consuming. lol
oh and for the rat question, in order for the experiment to test the learning or whatever di he have to give a reward or let the rats become familiar with the maze. I did the latter option =/
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Did everyone find it weird how they asked for two DSM criticisms in MCQ? q45 and somewhere in the middle
Yeah lol, I just used the same argument, FREE MARKS!
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some people in my class were like "it was sooo easy!!"
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Oh! I've been meaning to ask - will Psych be scaled up this year? because its usually scaled down by like 1, but from the looks of the new course it's got MORE than previous years, and is HARDER. Or does subject scaling never change despite some getting harder?
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how was the appraisal question with the two girls worth 4 marks?
I just said that for one it was appraised as stressful and a threat and the other that it wasn't stressful and appraised as a challenge. for the MC what did you guys do for the mum who felt bad because her daughter had to work more to support the family? I said it was a social stressor
and for the question with the girl who was struggling to balance her school work with her part-time job, was the homework a social stressor? or was it a environmental or cultural or something?
The major depression one sucked with the limitations and strengths of cbt. lol I said that it helps eliminate behavioural inactivation symptoms and increase mood and i said as a limitation that it was time consuming. lol
oh and for the rat question, in order for the experiment to test the learning or whatever di he have to give a reward or let the rats become familiar with the maze. I did the latter option =/
I mentioned "rewarded" for that multiple choice with the rats, and for the girl struggling to balance school work+job, I wrote homework was an "environmental stressor" - I don't know why, but social didn't seem right to me? (It very well could be correct though). Btw, I reckon you'd get the marks for the CBT question :)
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how was the appraisal question with the two girls worth 4 marks?
and for the question with the girl who was struggling to balance her school work with her part-time job, was the homework a social stressor? or was it a environmental or cultural or something?
I REMEMBER THIS QUESTION! It was like... HER HOMEWORK IS A:
cultural stressor
social stressor
psychological stressor
environmental stressor
LOL HOW IS IT ANY OF THE ABOVE?
I put social 'cus it sounds right..
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fml put social.
it was latent learning and 'reward'
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MRI would also be accepted methinks..
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nup. pretty sure it said DURING learning...
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nup. pretty sure it said DURING learning...
Oh yeah..lol completely forgot :P
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what did you guys do for the three phase model with the kid having a tantrum. i did it wrong i think
s=tantrum
r=parents ignoring him
c=negative punishment
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Any sort of punishment would reduce the frequency.
S - in a shop and sees a lolly
R - screams for the lolly throwing a tantrum
C - positive punishment in the form of a slap
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what did you guys do for the three phase model with the kid having a tantrum. i did it wrong i think
s=tantrum
r=parents ignoring him
c=negative punishment
Would this be right? I kinda struggled with S
S: presence of parents
R: behave
C: gets a lolly - positive reinforcement.
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Do you guys think the A+ cut-off will be low? I'm still having mixed feelings about whether this was an "easy" exam for the state or a "hard" one
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oh shit, i did s = trip to supermarket (for e.g.), r =tantrum over lolly, c= no dessert tonight (neg pun/resp cost)
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what did you guys do for the three phase model with the kid having a tantrum. i did it wrong i think
s=tantrum
r=parents ignoring him
c=negative punishment
That question I wrote down something so stupid, sounded like I repeated myself a few times due to time pressure. :/
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NO MORE PSYCHOLOGY EVER
That is all
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Do you guys think the A+ cut-off will be low? I'm still having mixed feelings about whether this was an "easy" exam for the state or a "hard" one
Its hard to say because the biggest reason that the mid-year cut off was so low was because of section C....
This time around the average for section C will probably still hover around 4 which is far better than 4.5/15 on the midyear or whatever it was.
I would say around 70/90 considering it was a strange exam, idk though
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Any sort of punishment would reduce the frequency.
S - in a shop and sees a lolly
R - screams for the lolly throwing a tantrum
C - positive punishment in the form of a slap
Old school discipline :P
I did
S-wants a toy, but parents won't buy it for him
R-throws tantrum
C-Negative punishment(response cost) take away his bike
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Do you guys think the A+ cut-off will be low? I'm still having mixed feelings about whether this was an "easy" exam for the state or a "hard" one
I think it will be higher.. many of my classmates said it was 'easy' and 'much easier than mid-years' ... 'killed it'... 'raped it'... and what not.... I thought it was similar difficulty ... maybe it was because i actually prepared for alzheimer's for mid year so i wasn't thrown off.
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I spent ages agonising over the three-phase model question :P
In the end I did:
S - Bedtime
R - Tantrum as child didn't want to go to bed
C - Punishment (with the parent taking a toy off the child)
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Do you guys think the A+ cut-off will be low? I'm still having mixed feelings about whether this was an "easy" exam for the state or a "hard" one
I think it will be higher.. many of my classmates said it was 'easy' and 'much easier than mid-years' ... 'killed it'... 'raped it'... and what not.... I thought it was similar difficulty ... maybe it was because i actually prepared for alzheimer's for mid year so i wasn't thrown off.
ER was much easier.
MCQ and SA were harder though in my opinion.
I'm hoping the A+ range is around the same or lower...barely did Section C :(
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couldnt we use PET scan for the imaging thing ? PET shows functions too..
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what did you guys do for the three phase model with the kid having a tantrum. i did it wrong i think
s=tantrum
r=parents ignoring him
c=negative punishment
This was one of the things that had me confused for a while, I didn't know whether it was
antecedent condition -> tantrum -> consequence
or
tantrum -> parents response -> consequence
The first seemed to make more sense, but yet another poorly written question was no longer a surprise by that stage
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couldnt we use PET scan for the imaging thing ? PET shows functions too..
PET, SPECT AND FMRI.
They should all be awarded.
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THANK GOD. Im starting to doubt ill get an A+ now for some reason :( but then again unit 3 i legit thought i got a B but it was an A+. Maybe everyone will surprise themselves :)
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what was the A+ cut off in unit 3????
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71/90.
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Do you guys think the A+ cut-off will be low? I'm still having mixed feelings about whether this was an "easy" exam for the state or a "hard" one
I think it will be higher.. many of my classmates said it was 'easy' and 'much easier than mid-years' ... 'killed it'... 'raped it'... and what not.... I thought it was similar difficulty ... maybe it was because i actually prepared for alzheimer's for mid year so i wasn't thrown off.
Words don't always mean much, wait until they see their scores then asked them who 'killed it' or 'raped it' :)
what did you guys do for the three phase model with the kid having a tantrum. i did it wrong i think
s=tantrum
r=parents ignoring him
c=negative punishment
This was one of the things that had me confused for a while, I didn't know whether it was
antecedent condition -> tantrum -> consequence
or
tantrum -> parents response -> consequence
The first seemed to make more sense, but yet another poorly written question was no longer a surprise by that stage
I had the second one :-\
and i wrote fMRI hope we still get the marks...
THANK GOD. Im starting to doubt ill get an A+ now for some reason :( but then again unit 3 i legit thought i got a B but it was an A+. Maybe everyone will surprise themselves :)
This would be nice :)
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what did you guys do for the three phase model with the kid having a tantrum. i did it wrong i think
s=tantrum
r=parents ignoring him
c=negative punishment
This was one of the things that had me confused for a while, I didn't know whether it was
antecedent condition -> tantrum -> consequence
or
tantrum -> parents response -> consequence
The first seemed to make more sense, but yet another poorly written question was no longer a surprise by that stage
I went with the latter option cause i thought that they were like asking what would the parent do to manage the child, not the response of a child. So i said basically that the tantrum was the discriminative stimulus, then the operant response was smacking the child and the consequences was that the child would shut up lol.
Hopefully the cut offs stay the same as mid year, i mean geez VCAA couldn't even manage one decent exam. Suppose they think that the ambiguity of the questions is meant to separate us but its really just a pain in the arse.
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does anyone have a copy of the exam??????????????
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does anyone have a copy of the exam??????????????
Yeah can we get a copy, to take apart, please tell me someone has one. :)
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i really shouldnt be looking at these forums after an exam. it makes me all depressed knowing that i got half the crap wrong
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yeah agreed massive pain. I used positive punishment for the tantrum i think.. the "3 phase model" thing got me confused cos i always practiced operant with just knowing what the reinfocements are and the punishments etc.. i think i said the stimulus was whatever the child desired but perhaps couldnt get, and then response tantrum, and consequence punishment to decrease it. probably wrong fml
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what did you guys do for the three phase model with the kid having a tantrum. i did it wrong i think
s=tantrum
r=parents ignoring him
c=negative punishment
This was one of the things that had me confused for a while, I didn't know whether it was
antecedent condition -> tantrum -> consequence
or
tantrum -> parents response -> consequence
The first seemed to make more sense, but yet another poorly written question was no longer a surprise by that stage
I went with the latter option cause i thought that they were like asking what would the parent do to manage the child, not the response of a child. So i said basically that the tantrum was the discriminative stimulus, then the operant response was smacking the child and the consequences was that the child would shut up lol.
Hopefully the cut offs stay the same as mid year, i mean geez VCAA couldn't even manage one decent exam. Suppose they think that the ambiguity of the questions is meant to separate us but its really just a pain in the arse.
I did the same! Exactly! so fingers crossed
i really shouldnt be looking at these forums after an exam. it makes me all depressed knowing that i got half the crap wrong
Me too! :( :'( :( :'(
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THANK GOD. Im starting to doubt ill get an A+ now for some reason :( but then again unit 3 i legit thought i got a B but it was an A+. Maybe everyone will surprise themselves :)
So much for not ruminating on the unit 4 exam! hahaha we just can't help ourselves ;D
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I went with the latter option cause i thought that they were like asking what would the parent do to manage the child, not the response of a child. So i said basically that the tantrum was the discriminative stimulus, then the operant response was smacking the child and the consequences was that the child would shut up lol.
Hopefully the cut offs stay the same as mid year, i mean geez VCAA couldn't even manage one decent exam. Suppose they think that the ambiguity of the questions is meant to separate us but its really just a pain in the arse.
See the thing was, or well what I thought - was that the child was supposed to be the learner in this situation; not the parent, so to me
antecedent condition -> tantrum -> consequence made sense, to me at least :x
So that when the child was punished for throwing a tantrum, it would be less likely to throw a tantrum in the future. thats my take anyway
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I went with the latter option cause i thought that they were like asking what would the parent do to manage the child, not the response of a child. So i said basically that the tantrum was the discriminative stimulus, then the operant response was smacking the child and the consequences was that the child would shut up lol.
Hopefully the cut offs stay the same as mid year, i mean geez VCAA couldn't even manage one decent exam. Suppose they think that the ambiguity of the questions is meant to separate us but its really just a pain in the arse.
See the thing was, or well what I thought - was that the child was supposed to be the learner in this situation; not the parent, so to me
antecedent condition -> tantrum -> consequence made sense, to me at least :x
So that when the child was punished for throwing a tantrum, it would be less likely to throw a tantrum in the future. thats my take anyway
Yeah it was really ambiguous i reckon. Well lets just hope VCAA sees their screw up and we all get it right
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Did anyone use the extra space for SA Q's?
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For the D-B-C short answer, I had:
D - A room (or any area in which he has a tantrum).
B - Good behaviour
C - Rewarded with lolly.
Also, for Q1 MC, the answer was knitting, right? It couldn't have been remembering names because damaged hippocampi result in the inability to structure and form new declarative memories (memories of facts, events and knowledge).
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Nope it was not knitting. It was C.
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Did anyone use the extra space for SA Q's?
Oh lord, i drew arrows and made footnotes everywhere until i realised that we had extra space...
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How can't it be "Knitting for the first time".
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Did anyone use the extra space for SA Q's?
i only went over by like 2 words on a few SA so i just wrote under the line, thats okay right?
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How can't it be "Knitting for the first time".
Did it say that? Gg then. Not sure now.
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Yea i think i put knitting :-S
AHHHH it could have been names :( :( : !!
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I put down knitting as well...
Why couldn't it have been knitting?
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Yes, it said 'for the first time'. So it has to be knitting.
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For mc 1 i put riding the bike. I thought the hippocampi (lol) were do with spatial learning. But now that i think about it riding a bike doesnt really involve any thing to do with spatial ability
Damn it
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I thought it was the remembeing names.. cos all the rest were procedural type memories except for that one so i chose it lol
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So no-one knows about the scaling :( damn.
the bike one was alluding to balance so cerebellum I think. I thought hippocampus was declarative? I put the names. But then its also storing of memories too isn't it? So could be knitting. Which is annoying. ANOTHER question with 2 answers.
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I think the key element of that question was "for the first time". The hippocampus is involved in the formation of new, declarative memories (memories of events, facts and knowledge). So if damage had occurred, one would think that the individual would be unable to store and structure new memories. Hence, Knitting for the first time.
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yeah knitting sounds right but then learning someones name is also something new and for the first time, definetly 2 answers to this I think :S
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It wasn't learning names. It was remembering names. I don't think prior knowledge is affected by damage.
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ohh noo! shit, you're right. well i think you are. Oh well its one mark lol
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Anyone have a copy of the exam to upload? :/
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:P. Ugh I know, we need an exam! Anyone? :(
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Ok I'm going to stop reading now, this is making me feel worse and worse. Off to study for methods bye!
Oh and stress less guys, I'm sure you all did great :))
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me too, this is horrible. Im making myself stress when I still have eco and business management to go fml im going
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Remember everybody, this is only discussion, so in reality, no one is absolutely wrong or right until we know VCAA's answers! So don't stress about whether or not your answers are different to everyone else's. Relax and think about the fact that you're done with Psych! :)
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^ He's right. :P
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Yea i think i put knitting :-S
AHHHH it could have been names :( :( : !!
But knitting is a procedural memory/task, thus it wouldn't be affected as that is the Amygdala's role (implicit memories/tasks), no? Therefore it would be C, learning peoples names is declarative tsks and memories which is the Hippocampus' role... I think that's right.
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^ That was my reasoning.
Predictions for cut off? 75.
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^ That was my reasoning.
Predictions for cut off? 75.
Its hard to say without having any clue how they will mark the SA, if they are generous, then yeah 75
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But it wasn't learning names. It was remembering them.
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No, it was actually learning them as I have a spare copy of the exam with me right now which I got from the supervisor. Now if I can work out how to upload the entire thing once I've scanned it we can all go crazy over the exam. :)
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Btw did ppl put benzodiazepine for the GABA q and then give an example. such as valium.
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It was D
It was fixed interval/variable-interval
but wtf was q4 and q5 about developmental and adaptive plasticity? (diminishes with age, increases, constant?) wtf?
I dont understand why you and most other people say the answer is variable interval. I agree it could be, but couldnt it also be variable ratio? The question asked for a method in which the kid would keep his room the tidiest, and variable ratio is meant to be the most effective schedule of reinforcement so it is it right or wrong?
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Btw did ppl put benzodiazepine for the GABA q and then give an example. such as valium.
said benzodiazepine can be given didn't say which
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Btw did ppl put benzodiazepine for the GABA q and then give an example. such as valium.
Yeah that question was strange, I put down both the definition/role of GABA, and how lower GABA could be treated by using benzodiazepines [although probably with wrong spelling!] which would stimulate the activity of the GABA, but didn't give an example for fear of making more spelling mistakes
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For that first multi-choice,
hippocampus is involved with consolidating (forming) declarative memories.
Knitting, riding a bike and throwing a ball are all procedural memories, therefore not declarative and so arent affected (thank you unit 3!) so surely its the other one, remembering names
for the snake multi-choice,
wasnt systematic densensitisation/graduated exposure since there was no build up in successive approximations of the snake.
it was just BANG, straight into being at the enclosure. so flooding?
i thought the worst multichoice was the one about the latent learning of rats (Tolman study). the second question on that, i think it was #10 (not sure), 'This study was dependent on:
a) the rats had 'insight'
b) the rats were reinforced
c) the rats were not reinforced
d) the rats became familiar with the maze of the first few trials
i said C since if they were reinforced then the rats wouldnt have shown their learning in all trials, and therefore they wouldnt have shown latent learning in that 12th trial. but the question didnt actually specify which rats it was talking about, or which trial either.
very average question..
i was really happy with it overall, much better extended response than unit 3 for me!
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Btw did ppl put benzodiazepine for the GABA q and then give an example. such as valium.
What was the question again? D: (On the exam)
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No, it was actually learning them as I have a spare copy of the exam with me right now which I got from the supervisor. Now if I can work out how to upload the entire thing once I've scanned it we can all go crazy over the exam. :)
Will be much appreciated :)
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and then for that other one,
critical period = experience dependant
sensitive period = experience expectant
so for the person learning english, that was an experience dependant behaviour, then learning Italian was experience expectant
i think..
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opposite.
Italian = dependent.
Thus D.
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and then for that other one,
critical period = experience dependant
sensitive period = experience expectant
so for the person learning english, that was an experience dependant behaviour, then learning Italian was experience expectant
i think..
No, learning English was experience-expectant. Learning Italians was experience-dependant, so the answer was D.
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It was D
It was fixed interval/variable-interval
but wtf was q4 and q5 about developmental and adaptive plasticity? (diminishes with age, increases, constant?) wtf?
I dont understand why you and most other people say the answer is variable interval. I agree it could be, but couldnt it also be variable ratio? The question asked for a method in which the kid would keep his room the tidiest, and variable ratio is meant to be the most effective schedule of reinforcement so it is it right or wrong?
I wrote in variable ratio for the most effective, too :) Hehe
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It was D
It was fixed interval/variable-interval
but wtf was q4 and q5 about developmental and adaptive plasticity? (diminishes with age, increases, constant?) wtf?
I dont understand why you and most other people say the answer is variable interval. I agree it could be, but couldnt it also be variable ratio? The question asked for a method in which the kid would keep his room the tidiest, and variable ratio is meant to be the most effective schedule of reinforcement so it is it right or wrong?
How would variable ratio work in that situation though? I mean yeah you are right, but it just doesn't make sense in this case.
@watto_22, I put D down for #10, although it could work for C too I guess. The definition of latent learning is that it is a form of learning that involves no direct reinforcement, and remains hidden or unexpressed until it is needed. C meets the first part, D meets the second part. Well...
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It said week. This is interval
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I said variable ratio would be the most effective, because John wouldn't be able to predict the time of his reinforcement, thus more inclined to keep his room tidy.
I said ratio though, because I said Fixed Ratio for the first part. The only reason I said 'Fixed ratio' was because it stated he would be reinforced providing he cleaned his room at the end of the week (and he may not always do it). If it was fixed interval, he would receive reinforcement regardless if he cleaned his room (e.g. Reinforcement at the end of every week).
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I'm so over VCAA's ambiguous questions. Both responses should be rewarded with marks.
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No. Fixed interval works on the basis provided the correct response is made.
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No. Fixed interval works on the basis provided the correct response is made.
This.
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Btw did ppl put benzodiazepine for the GABA q and then give an example. such as valium.
Yeah that question was strange, I put down both the definition/role of GABA, and how lower GABA could be treated by using benzodiazepines [although probably with wrong spelling!] which would stimulate the activity of the GABA, but didn't give an example for fear of making more spelling mistakes
OMG, did we need to give an example?!
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Nah doubt it. I just did it in case. It's VCAA :p
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It was D
It was fixed interval/variable-interval
but wtf was q4 and q5 about developmental and adaptive plasticity? (diminishes with age, increases, constant?) wtf?
I dont understand why you and most other people say the answer is variable interval. I agree it could be, but couldnt it also be variable ratio? The question asked for a method in which the kid would keep his room the tidiest, and variable ratio is meant to be the most effective schedule of reinforcement so it is it right or wrong?
How would variable ratio work in that situation though? I mean yeah you are right, but it just doesn't make sense in this case.
@watto_22, I put D down for #10, although it could work for C too I guess. The definition of latent learning is that it is a form of learning that involves no direct reinforcement, and remains hidden or unexpressed until it is needed. C meets the first part, D meets the second part. Well...
the mother could just check more times in the week?
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VCAArse, you mean? ;D
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btw it was B - reward - for the rats yh?
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btw it was B - reward - for the rats yh?
Had to be, otherwise they wouldn't have shown they had learnt
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btw it was B - reward - for the rats yh?
yeah see i'm not sure at all
the study relied on the first group of rats being rewarded every trial, but at the same time, it also relied on the second group of rats not being rewarded until the 11th trial.
since the question didnt specify which rats, who knows...
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btw it was B - reward - for the rats yh?
Had to be, otherwise they wouldn't have shown they had learnt
Took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah. D couldn't be it, because although they knew their path around the maze, the researcher couldn't record it due to the rats not showing they learned. Once the reinforcer was put in on day 11, the rats showed their learning, which was latent, thus the reinforcer was, or B.
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Yeah it was B. The only way Latent learning can be observed is by providing a means of motivation/reinforcement. Hence, food. (B)
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Can someone please tell me how to upload anything on this damn thing? Each time I try it doesn't work.... or if a mod is here or someone technologically competent, I can e-mail the multiple choice to you and you can upload it here! :D
THANKS! :D
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Either email it to me (use my profile email button) or upload it to something like photobucket/imgur and i'll pdf it and reupload it
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http://www.imgur.com upload to that and paste the link
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What did people say for the question where it asked how the biopsychosocial frameowork changed the way mental health professionals diagnosed…or something like that
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You can't individually treat people. 'whole' person. 'holistic'. Legendary Methodical Bullshitting. ;)
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What did people say for the question where it asked how the biopsychosocial frameowork changed the way mental health professionals diagnosed…or something like that
hollistic?
I couldn't figure out the two marks so i wrote 'holistic approach' and an essay.
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i said that it provided a hollistic view and therefore viewed the person as a whole. that question was confusing
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now that i think about it i think for some weird reason i went on about the stress response. I'm not sure I can barely remember anything about it
I think i screwed up that tantrum because i said
s=tantrum
r=ignore child's tantrum
r-negative reinforcement.
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Reinforcement won't reduce the frequency of the tantrums :/
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sorry i meant c= negative reinforcement
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sorry i meant c= negative reinforcement
lol
if the child throws a tantrum, and you reinforce that behaviour, you are increasing the frequency
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sorry negative punishment. mind my current brain deadness!!
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sorry negative punishment. mind my current brain deadness!!
Yeah, methods tomorrow will be a killer
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I miss the days of 2009... they never had this kind of ambiguous crap in a Psychology exam...
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Discrim Stimulus: Saying No to child
Response: tantrum
Consequence: response cost, take away toys
would my stimulus be wrong???
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i assumed the stimulus could be almost anything since they didnt give a specific context, but im guessing R would be the tantrum and C would be a positive or negative punishment
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Did anyone copy the MCQ three phase model of operant conditioning?
I made sure I spelt dis-crim-inative right :p
Btw hope you guys didn't get tricked by MCQ 14! Dr Brown is the NEUTRAL stimulus - not the CONDITIONED!
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for the extended i did operational hypothesis, iv then operationalized iv, then dv, operationalized dv. I said that the hypothesis was supported and that it can be concluded that reinforcement effects learning. then said it was also statistically significant.and then i said it was an independent groups design which may confound with the results due to individual differences and it can be countered with matched-participants design by grouping the participants according to age, gender and intelligence. and i said that the maths teacher may impose an experimenter effect which can be managed by double blind procedure. oh and i said it cant be generalised because the sample was a convenience sample and was therefore not representative of the population.
how many marks do you reckon this response will get? was i even supposed to operationalize the dv and iv?
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If I wrote the IV, DV and hypothesis, how many marks is that worth? :/
Your guess is as good as all of ours I think but in my opinion I think it's
1 mark for IV
1 mark for operationalised IV
1mark for DV
1 mark for operationalised DV
2 marks for Hypothesis (Population + correct variables)
1 mark for accept/reject hypothesis and why(statistical significance)
1 mark for confounding variable
1 mark for control of confounding variable
1 mark for for conclusion and generalisations made but then i said no generalisations 'cus the sample was convenient...
I hope it was this, exactly what i did :)
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Hopefully this works... PDF of the Multiple Choice as the quality is impossible to view on websites due to the size I have it. :/
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anyone have the multiple choice answers ?????
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8-9 because you operationalised the hypothesis. VCAA wants a research hypothesis
Btw what did ppl put for the MCQ that asked "according to Laz and Folk model the type of stress that Sarah is experiencing when her grandmother died is?"
harm yeah? (even though that's not a type of stress. stupid VCAA)
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8-9 because you operationalised the hypothesis. VCAA wants a research hypothesis
Btw what did ppl put for the MCQ that asked "according to Laz and Folk model the type of stress that Sarah is experiencing when her grandmother died is?"
harm yeah? (even though that's not a type of stress. stupid VCAA)
pretty sure mid year assessors report said u dont get penalised for operationalising even if its a research hypothesis
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ok, cant be bothered reading all 17 pages. The question about Shane and snakes, either being flooding or systematic desensitisation? I left it to the last minute to fill it in because I couldnt decided, now Ive forgotten which one I'd put in.
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yeah i said harm. what did people do for the garcia one about the preconditioning question. i t was" in the preconditiong phase, the rats were given sacharine water"
a)and a mild electric shock
b)plain water and could select which one they drank
c)and radiation treatment, making them sick
d)which activated a loud clicking noise and flashing light when they drank it.
I did d?
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I'll attempt MC answers.
1. C
2. C
3. D
4. B*
5. C*
6. D
7. C
8. C*
9. A
10. B
11. B
12. D
13. A
14. C
15. D
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D.
And yes you do get penalised for u4. My teacher was a VCAA assessor and said that because it was a new SD they were lenient.
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But Grivas Book says flooding has no relaxation :'(
Y they lie for?? :'( :'( :'( :'(
Even so, the question said they were gonna chuck him straight into the snake enclosure with no help or support... how on earth could that ever be systematic desensitization...?
It could only of been flooding since there was no fear heirachy involved and they didn't work up to it eg, looking at pictures of snakes, watching tv show about snakes, looking at snake outside enclosure... they just chucked the poor bloke straight in there which is flooding!
it said learned relaxation response. that's where people got fooled...not as easy as you made it out to be :(
ok just saw this.
and yes, the whole bit at the end about learned relaxation response is an absolute stick in the rear end, seriously the Grivas book basically says flooding is until 'the fearful response extinguishes' with systematic desensitisation having a heavy emphasis on 'learned relaxation response'.
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might have already been said in the previous 900 pages but did anyone take notice of the fact that it said the teachers 'administered their own tests' for the students, doesn't that mean that both Classes took different tests?
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yeh so thatd come under standardised procedures. heaps of flaws in the experiment other than that. gender imbalance, convenience sampling used, number of participants in each group weren't the same, no pre-testing of intelligence levels
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1. C
2. C
3. D
4. B
5. C
6. D
7. C
8. B (unsure).
9. A
10. B
11. B
12. D
13. A
14. C
15. D
16. D
17. A
18. B
19. C
20. C
21. A
22. A
23. D
24. C
25. B (unsure)
26. B
27. D (unsure as I don't know if they mean stress as in the stressor or all other forms of stress).
28. B
29. B
30. B
31. D (unsure)
32. C
33. D
34. A (unsure)
35. B
36. C
37. D
38. A
39. B
40. A (unsure)
41. B
42. A (unsure)
43. D (unsure)
44. C (unsure)
45. A
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so could you use matched participants to iron out the gender imbalance and intelligence levels?
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was the marks for identifying how to fix the flaws a big part of assesment? say if you were able to point out flaws but you didnt really explain how to fix them very well would that cost you a lot of marks? or will you still get the marks for id'ing the flaws
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i think you'd get marks for identifying it but you need to fix flaws too. with intelligence levels using matched participants wouldve been the best way to overcome that. different number of participants in each group, the researcher shouldve used random sampling and allocation which will also fix up gender imbalance too.
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what about stratified sampling? could that work too?
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For the neuroimaging techniques question i wrote: Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging fMRI, and then just in case added "or MRI and states what that was".
Do you think they will accept the first answer and mark it correct?
In addition for the question on a socio-cultural aspects contributing to the stress response: I wrote social learning or transmission of threat information, the latter is a better answer and correct. Because i wrote or and put it there will it be marked correct. They dont take marks away for wrong information do they?
Thanks
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@Camo.
Looking at your answers it looks like some of those aren't right..
First of all, 17 is D. - Discriminative stimulus/Atecedent condition (D/A), Response to stimulus (B), Consequence of Response (C) -> D-B-C of Operant Conditioning (Three phase model).
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@Camo.
Looking at your answers it looks like some of those aren't right..
Q45 is D not A
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@Camo,
You had like 8-10 answers different to me and im confident of getting 40+ MCQ right so... I dont know what to think or say.
If your right on most of the Qs, it means bad news for me and if im mostly right it means bad news for you
@LukeMcA Q17 was indeed D i believe
@ash.123.117 Q45 i got D aswell
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@Camo,
You had like 8-10 answers different to me and im confident of getting 40+ MCQ right so... I dont know what to think or say.
If your right on most of the Qs, it means bad news for me and if im mostly right it means bad news for you
@LukeMcA Q17 was indeed D i believe
@ash.123.117 Q45 i got D aswell
Post the answers you think are different becuase any input at this point will help work out what is right and what Is wrong
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My answers are linked here
Re: Potential Answers.
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My answers are linked here
Re: Potential Answers.
In regards to your answers, i got 42/45. But it could be 43 or 44, because the ones that were different were disputed, such as flooding.
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What were yours for q4/q5?
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About the extended response hypothesis, my teacher is a VCAA assessor and she said they can't penalise where students operationalise a hypothesis when it asks for a research hypothesis unless an assessor's report says so. And the mid year chief-assessor's report said that students would not be penalised on that exam and did not say anything about students being penalised in future so you should be okay if you operationalised it.
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For multiple choice question 1 couldn't the answer have been A (to bowl a ball) because the hippocampus is involved in spatial learning???
I see why most people are saying C (the names of people he meets) but the question asks which one he would have most difficulty learning? Wouldnt he be able to learn their names just not be able to remember them?
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Also did anyone else write 3 seconds for the time between the presentation of the NS and the UCS
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Nah it's definitely 1/2 a second.
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What were yours for q4/q5?
B and C respectively
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@lauren
learning is defined as a relatively permanent change in behaviour as a result of experience, so with damage to the hippocampi the person would have difficulty with being able to learn the names of new people they meet as it is necessary for the hippocampus to be working as it is involved in the formation of declarative memories. However, learning to bowl a ball is much more of a procedural memory as it requires you to learn 'how to' do it which is more to do with the cerrebellum and damage to the hippocampi would have less of an effect on being able to learn this behaviour.
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I interpreted the three phase operant conditioning question wrong I believe.
I said that the stimulus would be the punisher itself (a smack) which is given in response to the tantrum (R) which leads to the reduced tantrums (C)
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About the extended response hypothesis, my teacher is a VCAA assessor and she said they can't penalise where students operationalise a hypothesis when it asks for a research hypothesis unless an assessor's report says so. And the mid year chief-assessor's report said that students would not be penalised on that exam an
did not say anything about students being penalised in future so you should be okay if you operationalised it.
but didnt it ask for it to be operationalised?
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It asked for a hypothesis which is not meant to be operationalised according to u3 assessors report but they didn't penalise you for it.....but you don't know why they didn't; feeling nice or bcoz it was the first exam of a new SD?
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I think I gave both the hypotheses and the operationalised hypotheses.
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btw, does anyone know if the grade distributions for the exam come out before we receive our scores (like the midyears)?
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^this
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btw, does anyone know if the grade distributions for the exam come out before we receive our scores (like the midyears)?
If i remember correctly, they came out before our results.
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okay thats good, takes a bit of the edge off for when we find out as scores as we'll have a more accurate estimation then blindly gussing now :P (although it will still be a fairly blind estimation haha)
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end of year was harder than mid years in my opinion,
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Straight after the exam I thought this one was easier then the mid year, now after reading all this stuff and looking back on it I reckon this one was way harder in regards to SA questions
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^ agreed. SA was much more sophisticated. MCQ was ambiguous making it harder. ER was easier.
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Hope the cut-off for A+ is around the same for mid-year.. *sigh*
I really hate myself for taking my time on SA...
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Its hard to say where the cutoff will be
-the midyear was so low because the ER raped a LOT of people; I mean I don't blame them either, VCAA were being complete assholes by asking that
But this time while MCQ was dodgy, and SA was "weird", and most people I think that many people would have struggled with the detailed study, but ER was easy.
But when you think about it, -5 for MCQ, -5 for SA, -2 for detailed study and -2 for ER sounds like an eh score, but that is 76/90...I dunno guys, I'm thinking between 73-75 for the A+ cutoff
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prediction - 75.
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well i hope its pretty low because that exam was quite ambiguous. And i hate the fact that they didn't even bother to examine the significant parts of the unit.
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hated section c cos didn't have time to do STAV's trial paper..section c of the exam was the same as STAV's....
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for the GABA question I dont think i mentioned Benzodiapenes but i explained what GABA was and its role and that people with anxiety disorders have less of it, I MIGHT of said there is medication but did the actual question ask for its management or was it just explaining GABA and its role? :| like was there a definite need for mentioning benzodiapenes or not
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lol and i did time consuming as a limitation.they will probably be a bit more generous with that question because i'm sure lots of people got that wrong, plus it was their fault for writing such an ambiguous exam.
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+ Since CBT is based on the assumption that the way people feel and behave is largely a product of the way they think, by directly addressing these maladaptivethoughts it assists in a quicker recovery from MD
I wrote something like that.
- CBT excludes the role of biological factors and in accordance with the monoamine hypothesis doesn't account for the lack of monoamine neurotransmitters in the brain; that is, serotonin and noradrenaline.
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I ended up talking about how CBT targets both the cognitive and behavioural components of major depression for the advantage, and how CBT requires effort put in by the client but those suffering from major depression will often be reluctant or unable to put in the effort that is required for the disadvantage.
It will be interesting what they accept as the answer.....I think they will have to be fairly lenient (hopefully).
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I think I got 80% on the exam. I also got 80% for Exam 1. Is this enough for a 45?
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80% Exam 1 is like 73/91 which is low A+. Unfortunately that's not enough for a 45.
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For everyone that got confused over the 3rd major depression question, and have no idea what a strength and limitation of CBT is,
i also got confused as first, but with vcaa always attempting to fool students i read it again closely, and the question was actually something along the lines of 'What is one strength and limitation of CBT being her SOLE treatment'
So i think the question itself wasn't really requesting much info on CBT at all, it was actually addressing the key knowledge point: 'The interaction between biological, psychological and socio-cultural factors which contribute to an understanding on the disorder and its management'
So a strength would be something like, through CBT helping her think more rationally about common difficulties, so to change her current thought patterns to more positive ones, and thus her behaviour in certain situations, CBT would effectively manage the psychological contrubiting factors to her major depression
Then a limitation would be something like, Using CBT only for her treatment would not address the other socio-cultural and biological causes underlying her illness, therefore CBT alone would not be overally effective in aiding her recovery
Well that's how i interpreted it anyway...who knows
I can't remember it exactly, but I think I interpreted as discussing the use of CBT for DEPRESSION, as opposed to just cbt in general
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I think I addressed the word solely for the strength, "takes into account both cognitive and behavioural aspects of depression and its treatment" but for limitation I just wrote something like "participation requires effort and motivation, which many people may lack if they have depression"
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I think I addressed the word solely for the strength, "takes into account both cognitive and behavioural aspects of depression and its treatment" but for limitation I just wrote something like "participation requires effort and motivation, which many people may lack if they have depression"
I wrote exactly the same thing haha :)
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does anyone know how the scaling works for year 12 subjects. For instance i did year 12 psych this year in year 11. will i be scaled according to this years psychology students or next years students? This would hardly be fair having that this year was a new study design and all.
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woops never mind i found my solution.
"Previous VCE studies
VCE studies are always scaled in the year in which they were
undertaken (this may not necessarily be in the year in which you
receive your ATAR)."- VTAC
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I think I addressed the word solely for the strength, "takes into account both cognitive and behavioural aspects of depression and its treatment" but for limitation I just wrote something like "participation requires effort and motivation, which many people may lack if they have depression"
I wrote exactly the same thing haha :)
Oh! Hopefully we'll get the marks haha :)