ATAR Notes: Forum
VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: Special At Specialist on November 24, 2011, 01:48:36 pm
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Is my ATAR already ruined because I missed the opportunity to accelerate a subject? Do you know of anyone who has only done 5 subjects and still got a 90+ ATAR score? I feel like I've missed out on so much because I didn't accelerate a subject and I am filled with feelings of regret :( It's like you have everything to win from accelerating a subject with no disadvantage whatsoever.
Please tell me there was at least some advantage by not accelerating a subject...
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http://atarcalc.com/
chuck in some numbers see if you get 90
your losing like 10%
so say you get a 30 (and its in your bottom 2), your losing 3 aggregate points.
im sure the 50 in spesh scaling to 55 will make up for it
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No, your ATAR is far from being ruined.
If I understand how the ATAR is calculated correctly:
Even if you did a 6th subject - say Mr. Hypothetical got all scaled 50s (meaning that the 6th subject is one you scored a scaled 50 in) - only 10% would of that would count. That would mean only 5 extra points to the aggregate - and that's the most optimal situation really. 5 points really isn't going to make a great deal of difference.
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf - take a look at the aggregate table.
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Whilst there isn't really an advantage to doing a 3/4 in year 11, it certainly doesn't ruin your ATAR unless you're aiming to get one of the top scores where it can come down to individual aggregate points.
Certainly to get 90+ is perfectly achievable with only 5 subjects
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As everyone has said your atar is not ruined, but that 3-5 aggregate points could be the difference between you getting into your desired course or missing out. Since you believe maths is your strong subject, why not take up further as a 6th subject in year 12? I knew a few ppl who did and they just bludged all year then managed to get a 30 odd study score - which is better than nothing.
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Next year I'm in year 12 so I would have to take up 6 subjects if I wanted to do further maths as well...
I think the main concern is if I mess up two subjects then I still have another good one to go in my primary 4. This way, I have to do well at all my subjects except for one (German will be my worst).
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Next year I'm in year 12 so I would have to take up 6 subjects if I wanted to do further maths as well...
I think the main concern is if I mess up two subjects then I still have another good one to go in my primary 4. This way, I have to do well at all my subjects except for one (German will be my worst).
If you think you won't have to put in too much effort for a 6th subject (say, maybe because it's further and you'll find it easy) then you should do it!
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Really? I looked at atarcalc.com and apparently a 6th subject makes a fair difference. Just getting a 30 in further maths (which would take practically no studying whatsoever) can increase me from an 88 to a 90.
I am considering doing 6 next year, though I still deeply regret not doing one this year :(
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Hey, don't worry!!!
A girl at my school did all her 6 subjects in Yr 12, and she got 99.35, I think!
So, don't worry, you'll be fine!
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well I only done 5 subjects but then again scores didn't come out yet so I wouldn't know.. But its not the end of the world because the better scaling subjects will compensate. Good luck
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according to last year's aggregate table to get a 90 you need an aggregate of 161 so with 5 subjects so an average of 39.5 on your top 4 and a 30 for your 5th subject (10%=3.0) so (39.5*4 + 3 = 161) so a 90+ is achievable with 5 subjects. Your ATAR is definitely not ruined
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ATAR.pdf
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Alternatively, you can pick up a uni subject, although the increment next year is not as high as this year's
+1 it's much less workload than a VCE 3/4 sequence.
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according to last year's aggregate table to get a 90 you need an aggregate of 161 so with 5 subjects so an average of 39.5 on your top 4 and a 30 for your 5th subject (10%=3.0) so (39.5*4 + 3 = 161) so a 90+ is achievable with 5 subjects. Your ATAR is definitely not ruined
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ATAR.pdf
Nice link. Just out of curiosity: what was the highest aggregate that anyone ever achieved? Or at least last year?
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according to last year's aggregate table to get a 90 you need an aggregate of 161 so with 5 subjects so an average of 39.5 on your top 4 and a 30 for your 5th subject (10%=3.0) so (39.5*4 + 3 = 161) so a 90+ is achievable with 5 subjects. Your ATAR is definitely not ruined
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ATAR.pdf
Nice link. Just out of curiosity: what was the highest aggregate that anyone ever achieved? Or at least last year?
not sure but the highest at my school is derrick ha
he got an aggregate of 214.x
50 raw in 5 subjects (spesh,english language,accounting (year 11),methods (year 10),chem) 48 in english and 5.5 in uni maths
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according to last year's aggregate table to get a 90 you need an aggregate of 161 so with 5 subjects so an average of 39.5 on your top 4 and a 30 for your 5th subject (10%=3.0) so (39.5*4 + 3 = 161) so a 90+ is achievable with 5 subjects. Your ATAR is definitely not ruined
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/aggregate-ATAR.pdf
Nice link. Just out of curiosity: what was the highest aggregate that anyone ever achieved? Or at least last year?
not sure but the highest at my school is derrick ha
he got an aggregate of 214.x
50 raw in 5 subjects (spesh,english language,accounting (year 11),methods (year 10),chem) 48 in english and 5.5 in uni maths
WOW that's amazing!!! Got a 50 in methods in year 10?! What school do you go to?
Edit: Looked him up on google images and he's asian. I'm still really impressed... I never even knew it was possible to double-accelerate a subject.
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Is doing 5 subjects and a uni enhancement subject too much workload ?
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Is doing 5 subjects and a uni enhancement subject too much workload ?
In my school literally no-one is doing a uni enhancement subject, and my grades aren't particularly good across all subjects (C average in chemistry and D average in German) so I doubt they would accept me :(
I'm good at maths, but I'm just not consistent across all subjects.
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Ohh.. they're selective ? how about if you want to do a Uni subject which isn't related to anything you've done in yr 11 ?
For example, if with my subjects (in sig) I sign up for Philosophy.
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I remember 50 in Further/Geo/English and 50+ in French/Spanish, but any aggregate anywhere near 200 is pretty damn good
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Even for philosophy you need good English skills. I'm averaging a B in English and a C in literature. They usually ask that you have:
An A average in the subject most related to the enhancement subject
A B average in all other subjects
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I was just giving Philosophy as an example, I was actually looking for something related to History or Politics.
Bloody hell they'll never accept me with my marks this year. Long story short I picked all my yr 11 subjects based on the highest scaling.
I.e Chem, Methods etc which I hate with a passion, hence the horrible marks.
It'll be hard explaining to them that my yr 11 marks don't actually reflect my capabilities.
Oh well..
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Is doing 5 subjects and a uni enhancement subject too much workload ?
I did this (as you can see in my sig) and no, I didn't find it that difficult as I treated MUEP Jap like an extra boost to my VCE Japanese and it also depends on your subjects. I was considering doing Specialist at one stage but worried over people saying how demanding it was so I switched to Further instead
(although if I did do spesh I would've been a much better Methods student... hmm... :S)
but yes, it is possible.
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I also did 5 + uni, and it was actually not much work at all. Uni jap and vce jap kinda blended together in terms of study, and I based my methods study on spesh anyway. So really I only had 'maths', 'japanese', chem and english to worry about.
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hmmm, I'm on the same boat as you, only doing 5 subjects this year, Specialist Maths, Methods, Eng, Business Management (confident of a 45-50 on this) and Chemistry. I am really nervous about Chemistry, its my weak, very weak subject. Need to put together a few hours of very hard work over the holidays. I fear this is the main thing that can stop me from achieving my goal ATAR.
NEED TO GET INTO COMMERCE MELB UNI!!!
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Is my ATAR already ruined because I missed the opportunity to accelerate a subject? Do you know of anyone who has only done 5 subjects and still got a 90+ ATAR score? I feel like I've missed out on so much because I didn't accelerate a subject and I am filled with feelings of regret :( It's like you have everything to win from accelerating a subject with no disadvantage whatsoever.
Please tell me there was at least some advantage by not accelerating a subject...
I certainly wouldn't say so...
I only did 5 subjects for vce (methods, physics, chemistry, english, business) and I'm aiming for 90+
In reality not doing a 6th subject will cost you a maximum of 5 on your aggregate score.
The only time it really matters is if you do badly in all your subjects and don't do a 6th that you would've done better in. (In this case it could be more than 5 aggregate)
e.g. straight 35's in your original 5 and decide to do a 6th and score 50 in it (I'm sure you chuckled a bit at that, considering how unlikely it would be). This would mean the 50 would move into your top 4 boosting aggregate by 15 + another 3.5 for the 10% of 6th.
With this being said, I still regret not doing a subject like further in year 11 because adding even 3.5 do my aggregate would make my feelings of getting the clearly in atar I need much more certain.