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Title: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: vanroevan1994 on November 26, 2011, 07:11:06 pm
Hi everyone, this is my first post on this great website, so I apologize in advance if I do something wrong.

Next year I am going to be studying VCE Year 12 and these are my subjects for the year.

- English 3&4
- Business Management 3&4
- Legal Studies 3&4
- History 3&4
- Psychology 3&4

Are these subjects going to be good enough for hopefully pursuing a degree in Law.


So basically what I am asking is;

- Are these subjects sufficient enough for hopefully studying a law degree. 
- What study scores so I be aiming for in each of them for the degree I wish to pursue.
- And what tips/hints would you be able to give me regarding next year and what advice you have.

Thank You ! :)
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: dc302 on November 26, 2011, 07:24:51 pm
I don't think law has any prereq subjects apart from english, which means they will teach you all there is to know. So I wouldn't worry too much about VCE subjects. However, doing legal studies at least will give you a very small indication of what it will be like to study law so that would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: amilss on November 26, 2011, 07:34:25 pm
Yeah i dont think there are any prerquisites besides an english, it just has a very high atar requirement. So as long as they're the subjects you enjoy and subsequently do well in, you should be fine
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: Special At Specialist on November 26, 2011, 08:17:38 pm
I would strongly reccomend doing maths methods if you want to be a lawyer.
Whether required or not, maths will help your reasoning skills which are necessary for lawyers. Unless you really struggle with maths or hate it, then you should consider doing it.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: aabattery on November 26, 2011, 08:27:58 pm
The ATAR for law at Monash is around 98+ needing an aggregate of around 186+. Hence with your subjects you will probably need scores of well over 40 to get this. If you really enjoy these subjects as dc302 said, and aim as high as possible, you should be on track.
Methods isn't exactly a necessity although the scaling would really help your ATAR.
You might want to consider Further Maths - even though there is a risk in terms of careless errors and lots of competition, its an easier subject that is not that time-consuming and may open some options later in terms of Finance law, commercial law etc, even though its not a prerequisite.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: ninwa on November 26, 2011, 09:25:26 pm
I would strongly reccomend doing maths methods if you want to be a lawyer.
Whether required or not, maths will help your reasoning skills which are necessary for lawyers. Unless you really struggle with maths or hate it, then you should consider doing it.

...... what?

No.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: Russ on November 26, 2011, 09:27:07 pm
I would strongly reccomend doing maths methods if you want to be a lawyer.
Whether required or not, maths will help your reasoning skills which are necessary for lawyers. Unless you really struggle with maths or hate it, then you should consider doing it.

Dammit, nina beat me, but no.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: paulsterio on November 26, 2011, 09:38:00 pm
I would do methods because it keeps the option of Commerce/Law and Science/Law open, which are both good double degrees, without methods, you're really left with just Arts/Law, so I would recommend methods, but if you're dead keen on Arts/Law and don't particularly care about Commerce/Law and Science/Law, then that's alright I guess

There's also the option of Laws (by itself) - but a lot of my friends say it's better to do a double degree - Laws (by itself) is really dry
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: paulsterio on November 26, 2011, 09:40:59 pm
Btw, I would also like to add, it's "pursue" not "peruse", which is what the title says, I wasn't gonna mention it, but you're a future lawyer :)
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: dc302 on November 26, 2011, 10:00:01 pm
Btw, I would also like to add, it's "pursue" not "peruse", which is what the title says, I wasn't gonna mention it, but you're a future lawyer :)

Shit lol I thought my vocab was bad when I didn't know what peruse meant (but assumed).

edit: damn just looked it up, it's still a real word... :(
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: taqi on November 26, 2011, 10:06:25 pm
Philosophy might be a good choice, because law is a sort of philosophy on justice. And there's things like natural justice and stuff u could learn from the subject, which applies to law.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: ninwa on November 27, 2011, 01:30:05 pm
Okay, speaking as a 4th-year law student, the only thing you really need to be excellent at is English.

Legal studies is useful for maybe one third of one of the introductory subjects in semester 1 (which isn't even on the final exam). I didn't do legal studies and didn't have any trouble with it.

I haven't done history but it MIGHT be useful just for getting you accustomed to doing a lot of reading, because that's what a law degree is - lots and lots of reading.

The kind of legal reasoning you learn in a law degree:
1) isn't taught in any VCE subject as far as I know; and
2) has TWO law subjects devoted to it in first year.

Otherwise, just choose subjects you know you'll be good at, because remember you need that high ATAR to get in.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: monkeywantsabanana on November 27, 2011, 08:55:13 pm
Watch Suits. The best TV show ever about law!
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: liuetenant on November 27, 2011, 09:26:04 pm
^ agreed!!!!!
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: giveup on November 27, 2011, 09:48:46 pm
The awkward moment that you use "^^^" to indicate that you're referring to the above post, and then your post appears on a new page.

and... Boston Legal > Suits.
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: transgression on November 28, 2011, 07:11:22 pm
moar engrish and goot engrish would help
Title: Re: Are my Year 12 subjects good for what I am wanting to peruse?
Post by: LOLs99 on November 28, 2011, 07:20:23 pm
well, I think you should do englang instead of english.