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National Education => General National Education Discussion => Topic started by: Tashi on December 21, 2011, 02:03:12 pm
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Does it really matter... MHS and MacRob are both unfair comparison anyway considering they take the top students in the state and give them some of the best teachers available. Eh, as long as you are happy with your score...
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Does it really matter... MHS and MacRob are both unfair comparison anyway considering they take the top students in the state and give them some of the best teachers available. Eh, as long as you are happy with your score...
best teachers? From what I've heard they're all over the place bar a few.
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Does it really matter... MHS and MacRob are both unfair comparison anyway considering they take the top students in the state and give them some of the best teachers available. Eh, as long as you are happy with your score...
The whole 'best teacher' thing is actually not true for MacRob. For each subject, there's only (at most) 2 good teachers out of around 10. The majority are honestly useless. I think the reason we do so well is because the students actually want to do well, and in an environment as competitive as that of MacRob, it's not hard to find the motivation to put in the effort to learn things and excel on your own. Many students who are unfortunate enough to have one of the 'useless' teachers work themselves to the point where they are able to gain scores higher than that of those who had a good teacher.
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melbourne high has pretty bad teachers too, though some faculties are better than others, but atm chem and physics are pretty deplorable
Apparently one of Melbourne high's physic teacher is leaving to come and work at our school.
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GWSC has the best physics teacher in the world hands down..
I mean what other physics teacher is epically ripped and makes his own protein shakes
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melbourne high has pretty bad teachers too, though some faculties are better than others, but atm chem and physics are pretty deplorable
Faculty...lol
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melbourne high has pretty bad teachers too, though some faculties are better than others, but atm chem and physics are pretty deplorable
yeah, no. Our physics department may be not so flash, but our chem department is actually decent
I think a reason that MHS didn't do so well is because a lot of kids gave up on their subjects - me included
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"giving up" on your subjects translates to 99.90? Dammit, I should've tried that.
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
+1
You guys/girls don't realise how good you've got it.
Also I don't think any school has got a good physics department since, if you are good at physics you don't (well very VERY rarely) go into teaching.
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Haha they're actually not exaggerating, the quality of the teachers at MHS are pretty standard, like you'd expect at any other school. Some teachers are good and some are bad. The main reason MHS does well is because the students are surrounded by motivated and hard working people.
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
+1 this though.
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
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You guys/girls don't realise how good you've got it.
Also I don't think any school has got a good physics department since, if you are good at physics you don't (well very VERY rarely) go into teaching.
My school's physics department is awesome :D pretty much all of our teachers are absolute guns, with the exception of mine (although he's not TERRIBLE)!
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Haha they're actually not exaggerating, the quality of the teachers at MHS are pretty standard, like you'd expect at any other school. Some teachers are good and some are bad. The main reason MHS does well is because the students are surrounded by motivated and hard working people.
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
+1 this though.
The Maths and English departments are probably the best in the school, but yeah I agree, in the end the students learn more off each other than their teachers.
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Every school has shit teachers, but you can't put any blame on that.
If you want to attribute it to something, compare MHS and MacRobs Humanities - Legal Studies for example, they just wiped the floor, and our Legal Studies teachers aren't even bad.
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How many ANers actually learned the course from their teachers? The only subjects I actually 'used' the teacher for were english and chemistry...
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How many ANers actually learned the course from their teachers? The only subjects I actually 'used' the teacher for were english and chemistry...
Now that you mention it...actually never learnt anything from my teachers...
And physics department is horrible at MHS except for two teachers and we they are obvious if you go to MHS. These 2 teachers are amazing.
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Definitely learned BM from Mr. M
His exam tips are the bomb.
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Every school has shit teachers, but you can't put any blame on that.
If you want to attribute it to something, compare MHS and MacRobs Humanities - Legal Studies for example, they just wiped the floor, and our Legal Studies teachers aren't even bad.
For sure.
Maybe girls are really better at Humanities and boys more suited to maths/science (generalising)
Also, MHS had a cohort of ~360 this year, much larger than usual. Could explain the below average ranking.
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How many ANers actually learned the course from their teachers? The only subjects I actually 'used' the teacher for were english and chemistry...
GWSC Accounting teachers are the best :D
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melbourne high has pretty bad teachers too, though some faculties are better than others, but atm chem and physics are pretty deplorable
Chem is alright, physics is crap
How many ANers actually learned the course from their teachers? The only subjects I actually 'used' the teacher for were english and chemistry...
I did for chem, spesh and methods
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How many ANers actually learned the course from their teachers? The only subjects I actually 'used' the teacher for were english and chemistry...
GWSC Accounting teachers are the best :D
I reckon GWSC has decent teachers all throughout, like methods, spesh and physics all have decent teachers. admittedly they may not be as good as private schools, but i've always been happy with them and they've helped their students enormously to get to where they are now
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How many ANers actually learned the course from their teachers? The only subjects I actually 'used' the teacher for were english and chemistry...
The only subject that I learnt properly from a teacher was english. This isn't saying that my other teachers were bad (some were really good (chem/spesh teachers) and others I won't say...), it's just I went through the course and learnt it earlier than the class, so when we "learn" it in class it was basically revision for me.
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How many ANers actually learned the course from their teachers? The only subjects I actually 'used' the teacher for were english and chemistry...
The only subject that I learnt properly from a teacher was english. This isn't saying that my other teachers were bad (some were really good (chem/spesh teachers) and others I won't say...), it's just I went through the course and learnt it earlier than the class, so when we "learn" it in class it was basically revision for me.
Why the hell did you bother learning the course earlier than the class? Wtf is the point of that?
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Why the hell did you bother learning the course earlier than the class? Wtf is the point of that?
1) Start practice exams early
2) It's way better than NOT finishing the course at all while trying to do a crap load of stuff at the end of the year
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I still don't see the benefits. You have like 5 weeks at the end of the year before exams where you are basically finishing off whatever you want and doing practice exams. Plenty of time.
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I still don't see the benefits. You have like 5 weeks at the end of the year before exams where you are basically finishing off whatever you want and doing practice exams. Plenty of time.
Still when we go through it again in class you pick up things that the others don't because they are still learning it for the first time. Those 5 weeks at the end of the year are packed, you don't want to be still tying up too many lose ends.
It may work for some but thats just the way that works best for me. Keeping in mind I'm not learning the entire course on the holidays, I'm just working through earlier than the class is.
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I still don't see the benefits. You have like 5 weeks at the end of the year before exams where you are basically finishing off whatever you want and doing practice exams. Plenty of time.
I wouldn't want to be spending any of that 5 weeks LEARNING new stuff, just revision and prac exams only
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I still disagree, I spent the last 2 weeks before exams relaxing and going out everyday. I had learnt everything I needed to learn throughout the course of the year and was confident for exams, I was if anything behind the class for most of the year.
@pi, why would you need to learn new stuff in that 5 weeks, just go on schedule with your teacher and you'll be done by then.
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@pi, why would you need to learn new stuff in that 5 weeks, just go on schedule with your teacher and you'll be done by then.
Not all teachers keep to a schedule, I know that in bio (2010) and physics, we were still doing the course in this period (I and a lot of my class was doing something else).
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I wouldn't want to be spending any of that 5 weeks LEARNING new stuff, just revision and prac exams only
+1
Plus it gave me a lot more time to do practice exams and revise for mid-year subjects, while half the class wasn't prepared because they had only recently finished the course.
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melbourne high has pretty bad teachers too, though some faculties are better than others, but atm chem and physics are pretty deplorable
yeah, no. Our physics department may be not so flash, but our chem department is actually decent
I think a reason that MHS didn't do so well is because a lot of kids gave up on their subjects - me included
yeah, no... with Mr F gone there's really only one great teacher. It's "decent" at best. Though throughout my time at MHS i've generally had pretty bad teachers in everything, a sport teacher for maths in year 9 for e.g. and bad teachers in general throughout my science at MHS so i'm probably biased
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Split the split topic
yeah, no... with Mr F gone there's really only one great teacher. It's "decent" at best. Though throughout my time at MHS i've generally had pretty bad teachers in everything, a sport teacher for maths in year 9 for e.g. and bad teachers in general throughout my science at MHS so i'm probably biased
Not true, there are at least two I can think of (in chem). Mr F only taught one class anyway.
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eh alright, the numbers win. i reiterate that i'm biased as my science teachers throughout 3 years at MHS have been generally deplorable (with exceptions of course)
I think that more of a case of your "bad-luck" than a true account of our science faculties. Hopefully your luck will change for next year :)
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I actually think year 11 is a very pivotal year to get good teachers in 1/2, though of course year 12 still very important. it's just in year 12 you'll generally know the course anyway and do much more self study so a teacher can only help you so much (though of course a good teacher helps). I reckon a really good teacher for 1/2 is very good when you're not doing much work out of school but you can still develop good fundamental skills.
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I'm lucky to have had amazing teachers for all my 3/4 subjects so I may have a different point of view here...
I had the same teacher for 1/2 Lit and 3/4 Philosophy and Lit, who just is the most amazing teacher ever. I didn't get EZ as a tutor simply because this teacher ("Ms P") was more than enough. I had two out of four classes with her this year (half my timetable) and met with her for a free period nearly every week to go through essays and ideas for both subjects. She really cared about each student and really pushed each student every time. She's the reason I didn't fail philosophy, and did as well as I did for lit. So for me, teachers made all the difference. I discovered that in Year 11 and subsequently chose my Year 12 subjects based on the teachers I'd get.
Comparing the teachers at MacRob and the teachers at my pre-MacRob school, I'd say the general standard is about the same. Every school has good and bad teachers. I was lucky enough to discover how important teachers are and thus chose subjects based on teachers, but otherwise my friends at MacRob had horrible teachers for Year 12.
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
Amen sister.
At the point where you have to teach your methods and chem teacher things because you've gone ahead and they don't understand...I'd say that's heading towards the definition of a bad teacher. I had to rely on my English teacher because it's the only one I couldn't do solely by myself, but I shouldn't have to rely on comparing with other students because it takes my English teacher 4 weeks to mark one of my practice exams...
Not trying to have a whinge, but the amount of PMs I have received from kids that can't understand that I didn't go to a good school, everything was self learnt and I didn't have any tutors...I sometimes wonder what we're up against at these tops schools...
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
Amen sister.
At the point where you have to teach your methods and chem teacher things because you've gone ahead and they don't understand...I'd say that's heading towards the definition of a bad teacher. I had to rely on my English teacher because it's the only one I couldn't do solely by myself, but I shouldn't have to rely on comparing with other students because it takes my English teacher 4 weeks to mark one of my practice exams...
Not trying to have a whinge, but the amount of PMs I have received from kids that can't understand that I didn't go to a good school, everything was self learnt and I didn't have any tutors...I sometimes wonder what we're up against at these tops schools...
+1 Luken WELL SAID! But yeh it gets a bit annoying when you continue picking up the physics teachers mistakes and you and a peer basically end up teaching the class, unsure of yourself. Now that I think about it I have to be careful what I say, I know one or two of my teachers who look over AN everynow and then.
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Everyone needs to stop whining. The bottom line is, there are good teachers and bad teachers in every school, just the proportion of good teachers is significantly higher in schools that can pay them more/attract them, ie. selective schools and private schools. Having said that, you find shit teachers even at a school like mine that can poach good teachers from pretty much any other school. Eg. My chem teacher this year: there were numerous instances during the year when she'd say something (and she talks sooo fast you can't get what she's saying) and me and my friend would look at each other and be like "that's wrong...". One of those people who talks a lot without saying anything.
I think the main issue with education is that more intelligent students are turned away from teaching due to low pay and low respect compared to other professions, so we end up with a lot of teachers who aren't exactly brilliant - people who can't get anything better go into teaching. What this country needs is more respect and better pay for its teachers. One of the best teachers I've ever had graduated with a 99.3ish ENTER and absolutely loves his job. That's how it should be - we shouldn't tell people that they're "wasting" their scores or whatever by going into teaching.
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Everyone needs to stop whining.
Eg. My chem teacher this year: there were numerous instances during the year when she'd say something (and she talks sooo fast you can't get what she's saying) and me and my friend would look at each other and be like "that's wrong...". One of those people who talks a lot without saying anything.
Hmmmm :P
Nah but I get what you are saying Funkyducky, we've just got to make the best of what we've got.
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Hey, it was balanced! I gave an example of a good teacher too!!! :P
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I think we're getting to the point where we're talking about cohorts now anyway, not teachers...and they can be a HUGE advantage, but that's another can of worms for another day :P
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Hey, it was balanced! I gave an example of a good teacher too!!! :P
Fair enough (dam, they always have an answer for everything).
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Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?
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Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?
Being wrong and not accepting it even when you show then two different ways that they are wrong. Not being up to date with the course and giving false information.
I probably shouldn't go too hard on him/her, they only found out they were teaching a yr 12 class two days before the first day of school, it just disadvantages us.
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Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?
Not having the necessary knowledge for the subject they teach or not being able to convey the knowledge they have. Being dissorganised, ie. coming to class late, loosing the class SACs.. twice (thus having the class re-do them), Loosing practice exams which have been done and needed correcting, teaching the class incorrect information. Just to name a few things my teachers have done.
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I think generally being unhelpful is a bad teacher, I have no problems with teachers who "don't know" and are happy to ask other teachers or find out for their students, at least they're making the effort. Teachers who give wrong information are just as bad, as well as teachers that are disorganised, I personally think if they are a teacher, they should at least put in the effort, that's what separates a bad teacher from an average teacher, just the effort they put in
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I don't mind teachers who don't know some things and find them out for you. But teachers who cover up suggesting you should teach yourself gets to me.
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Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?
Attributes of my 3/4 physics teacher and 1/2 english teacher combined
1) Speaks in a monotone
2) Speaks in an accent that make it very hard to understand what he/she is saying
3) Doesn't actually know the details of the course material
4) Discourages asking questions
5) Uses other teacher's power points and web-links due to their own laziness/noobness
6) Comes to class late and leaves early on a regular basis
7) Picks up their mobile (with a crappy ring-tone) whilst teaching or during a SAC (and talks loudly on it)
8 ) Gives wrong information
9) Doesn't tell us when the next SAC is
10) Teaches out of A+ Notes
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YEAH PI
WITH OUR 3/4 PHYSICS TEACHER I'M AMAZED I GOT 38
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I personally believe VCE is a real test of how much you can do for yourself. In fact, I think you SHOULD learn the stuff yourself and revise/practice at your own (accelerated) pace, in order to maximise your results. I don't think I would have gotten as high a score if I just relied on my teachers, regardless of how good they were.
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I personally believe VCE is a real test of how much you can do for yourself. In fact, I think you SHOULD learn the stuff yourself and revise/practice at your own (accelerated) pace, in order to maximise your results. I don't think I would have gotten as high a score if I just relied on my teachers, regardless of how good they were.
+1
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I personally believe VCE is a real test of how much you can do for yourself. In fact, I think you SHOULD learn the stuff yourself and revise/practice at your own (accelerated) pace, in order to maximise your results. I don't think I would have gotten as high a score if I just relied on my teachers, regardless of how good they were.
It's not even how much you self-study. I think sometimes it can be just how well you can absorb information from them, and how efficient this process is. If you have fantastic teachers you don't listen to, you're probably going to be worse of than someone with a bad teacher who has the ability to still absorb all information provided.
Take the one kid in our physics class who got 49 - he was the only one that actually paid attention...
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The best teacher is yourself.
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If you have fantastic teachers you don't listen to, you're probably going to be worse of than someone with a bad teacher who has the ability to still absorb all information provided.
As long as the information that is provided is correct. Otherwise we are working backwards here.
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If you have fantastic teachers you don't listen to, you're probably going to be worse of than someone with a bad teacher who has the ability to still absorb all information provided.
As long as the information that is provided is correct. Otherwise we are working backwards here.
In the case Illuminate was giving, I'm not sure our teacher was providing the correct info tbh
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2) Speaks in an accent that make it very hard to understand what he/she is saying
pi, don't be mean, they can't help that! :P LOL!
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Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?
Telling the class to book plane tickets to understand the cost of overseas travel, and then going on to book his own plane tickets by mistake. He then called up the airline to cancel them and had to pay a $50 low-cost airline cancellation fee.
Also giving whole class 50% for an assignment for not being able to open a Windows file on his Macbook.
No joke. This happened this year in Economics. It was the first year I had studied the subject and because of him, I hate a subject I was predicting to like. Luckily I'm only in Year 10.
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Not going to lie, it's kind of nice, in a non-rude way, to know that some prestigious schools do indeed have teachers as crap as some I've come across (average state school).
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2) Speaks in an accent that make it very hard to understand what he/she is saying
pi, don't be mean, they can't help that! :P LOL!
It's probably not nice to say, but it has to be said. It can make learning VERY hard, my 1/2 english teacher was a great example.
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Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?
forgetting to plug in the charger for a laptop....every fricking lesson! Then swearing and smacking the laptop when it shuts down midway in a powerpoint.
telling us he'll email our sac and exam revision sheets(because he's too lazy to print them out?). Wouldn't mind...only the class NEVER recieves them. Then he blames the class insisting that he has a degree in IT and knows how to email(he doesn't. he is a complete computer-illiterate)
Giving us about 15 min for physics pracs even though they require 15 min to set up and another 30min to do them and write up the report.
Giving us an "easy 15 minute, 5 question test". Would should be fine. I mean 3 min per question sounds reasonable....until we discover that each question is 5 questions long( 1.a,b,c,d,e) then giving us our lunch time to complete them when realising that the class isn't as fast or smart as him..
just to name a few
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My chem 1/2 teacher liked pretending to be a gas particle, sprinting around the room banging into walls and stuff.
Haha I can imagine that would be hilarious for a very short period of time. Then you'd be like FFS TEACH US SOMETHING
My year 8/9 English teacher gave us 5-10 minutes of meditation time at the start of every lesson to "clear all the stress and worry from our minds". The same teacher gave out A's willy-nilly because she "disapproved of the school's report system".
So good when you're 14, even if two years of English education basically became write-offs.
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my music teacher would forget to turn up to classes... we would just go to the music computer labs and have fun on youtube/miniclip etc... one time, we actually found him in the staff room eating noodles and reading a newspaper...
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my music teacher would forget to turn up to classes... we would just go to the music computer labs and have fun on youtube/miniclip etc... one time, we actually found him in the staff room eating noodles and reading a newspaper...
LOL. One word. TRUST.
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In my later years I had another English teacher - who had a stern reputation amongst the younger students - who tried hard to reinvent himself with his older students as the friendly, approachable sort. He encouraged his students to call him by his first name (they didn't) and also gave out his home e-mail address so the students could mail him with any queries on the subject.
Of course, he stopped doing that after one student subscribed him to a Korean porn site...
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Or perhaps teachers which simply aren't academically driven? Ie my Health teacher who would discuss her weekend partying or social calendar for half the class and then write 'chapter 1' for example on the board and sit down to browse Facebook for the duration of the class. This was not an isolated incident in Health. 95% of kids in my school didn't make it past 30 for health. Or History, much the same story. The result of teachers like these is absolutely terrible cohorts and makes it hard for kids like me to land in the 40's, thus my poor study scores. I missed out on 4 marks for the health exam, and got 18 and 19 for each passage analysis for lit, but due to my crappy teachers giving us bad sacs I couldn't get the A+'s. Having teachers whom are unable to for fill even the basic criteria for being a teacher isn't fun.
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The result of teachers like these is absolutely terrible cohorts and makes it hard for kids like me to land in the 40's, thus my poor study scores. I missed out on 4 marks for the health exam, and got 18 and 19 for each passage analysis for lit, but due to my crappy teachers giving us bad sacs I couldn't get the A+'s. Having teachers whom are unable to for fill even the basic criteria for being a teacher isn't fun.
This is probably the worst thing. I mean having a bad teacher is one thing, but when they don't allow you to get the score you deserve, thats a different story ie. not giving appropriate sacs which should test your ability and differentiate the strengths of students.
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I had a teacher who was a wonderful person but always went on a tangent and started talking about irrelevant things. On the last day, I'm certain no one handed in the prac report which was due in months ago, she said to us, "I'm going to give you all A+'s whether you have done the work or not because you are the most lovely bunch of students I've taught!"
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^and that's a bad thing :S? :P
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I just thought it was funny. :P
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Just wondering what constitutes a "bad" teacher. Everyone is saying, 'Aww we have crap teachers'. What makes them crap?
IT teacher: Encouraging us to get on Live Jasmine and watch girls pole dancing... now that been said, not sure if that's good or bad.
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Ie my Health teacher who would discuss her weekend partying or social calendar for half the class and then write 'chapter 1' for example on the board and sit down to browse Facebook for the duration of the class.
that doesn't sound so bad! she sounds like a nice person! :D
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My year 8 IT teacher wanted to give us an exam, but during the week it was on she said "look I know you all don't want to do an exam and I don't want to write one, so you can all have A+'s :P".
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My year 8 IT teacher wanted to give us an exam, but during the week it was on she said "look I know you all don't want to do an exam and I don't want to write one, so you can all have A+'s :P".
Is this Adrian Janson? LOL!
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My year 8 IT teacher wanted to give us an exam, but during the week it was on she said "look I know you all don't want to do an exam and I don't want to write one, so you can all have A+'s :P".
Is this Adrian Janson? LOL!
Year 8 man, I wasn't at MHS in year 8 lol.
edit: Also Janson is a guy, I definitely said "she" :P.
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Year 8 man, I wasn't at MHS in year 8 lol.
edit: Also Janson is a guy, I definitely said "she" :P.
my bad, didn't read it properly, having done Year 12 Software Development, the name "Janson" literally just bubbles around in my head, he's like god of IT everywhere :P my teacher even used his powerpoint slides LOL! (not that she was any good at teaching IT anyway - she was crap :P)
anyways, is it just me or do IT teachers just seem really bad and lazy in general?
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Year 8 man, I wasn't at MHS in year 8 lol.
edit: Also Janson is a guy, I definitely said "she" :P.
my bad, didn't read it properly, having done Year 12 Software Development, the name "Janson" literally just bubbles around in my head, he's like god of IT everywhere :P my teacher even used his powerpoint slides LOL! (not that she was any good at teaching IT anyway - she was crap :P)
anyways, is it just me or do IT teachers just seem really bad and lazy in general?
Yeah agreed, very rarely do you get IT teachers who are actually any good... Janson seems to actually be an exception =P.
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Yeah agreed, very rarely do you get IT teachers who are actually any good... Janson seems to actually be an exception =P.
I think it's because IT is such a niche sort of area in teaching, like there's a lot of IT graduates out there, but the fact that employability in IT is quite high and because of the really really low demand for IT teachers, you only usually get the crap ones who can't find a job in the IT industry. Janson is an exception, that's true, so is Mark Kelly (at McKinnon) and apparently the Melbourne Grammar one is good as well, can't recall his name
But that also raises another issue, maybe bad teachers are just people who can't find employment in whatever field they were in before, so they decided to go into teaching?
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Yeah agreed, very rarely do you get IT teachers who are actually any good... Janson seems to actually be an exception =P.
I think it's because IT is such a niche sort of area in teaching, like there's a lot of IT graduates out there, but the fact that employability in IT is quite high and because of the really really low demand for IT teachers, you only usually get the crap ones who can't find a job in the IT industry. Janson is an exception, that's true, so is Mark Kelly (at McKinnon) and apparently the Melbourne Grammar one is good as well, can't recall his name
But that also raises another issue, maybe bad teachers are just people who can't find employment in whatever field they were in before, so they decided to go into teaching?
Look at a country like Sweden where teachers are much more respected and get higher salaries and you'll see that their education outcomes are on average, much better than our own (there's UN statistics on it somewhere, if you don't believe me I'll try dig them out).
One of the largest problems with our education system is the terrible salary and lack of respect teachers get. You need like an ATAR of 60 to get into teaching, and it's perhaps one of the most important jobs (training the future for gods sake!). If there was a higher cut-off and a better salary the quality of teachers would undoubtedly go up, and you could have PhD's teaching high school maths!
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guarantee my english teacher would rank top 5 amongst the english teachers in australia
did it make a difference? yea, massive difference, he made me love english, it was like exploring the subject and its nuances, like music
the man is epic, i was very lucky to have him
teachers do make a difference
Year 8 man, I wasn't at MHS in year 8 lol.
edit: Also Janson is a guy, I definitely said "she" :P.
my bad, didn't read it properly, having done Year 12 Software Development, the name "Janson" literally just bubbles around in my head, he's like god of IT everywhere :P my teacher even used his powerpoint slides LOL! (not that she was any good at teaching IT anyway - she was crap :P)
anyways, is it just me or do IT teachers just seem really bad and lazy in general?
is he like the mark kelly of software dev?
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my music teacher would forget to turn up to classes... we would just go to the music computer labs and have fun on youtube/miniclip etc... one time, we actually found him in the staff room eating noodles and reading a newspaper...
Hahahaha... Remember when I vs'd you in chess on the computer, I was winning until he came over and helped you win...
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So, if MHS teachers are crappy then teachers at other schools are...?
Guys please, please, quit saying "oh no, we have done so badly this year" when your school obviously hasn't compared to the hundreds of other ones in Victoria.
You have to understand that a lot of our marks are derived from the students studying themselves. At MHS, we're built upon a strong work ethic, teacher quality is not a direct reflection of our academic results. So we have every right to say SOME teachers are inept.
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I failed the coursework just relying on all the powerpoints the teacher bombarded the class with. He taught us how to answer long essay response in 1 period. Just before the exam, it was the main reason why results were comparatively low compared to the other biology class in the exams. Luckily i self taught my self the course in 3 days and managed to score at least 80% on the exam. Studying really helps xD.