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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => Other General Discussion => Topic started by: ShortBlackChick on January 06, 2012, 03:23:08 pm
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I need your help peeps. I dont know which one to get. Both brand new, most likely 2012 versions and with a similar price at around 23,000 including features. I'd probably end up getting the same features as well, like bluetooth, hopefully tint and all that other stuff. I dont really want those reverse camera sensor stuff but both Mazda and Mitsubishi offer them, I'm already a bad enough driver as it is, after getting my P's so I dont want to rely on technology too much.
Both have 2L engines, but the 3 is slightly more fuel efficient, but only by like .2 of a litre. The Lancer is like 8.3 to the 3's 8.1 or something.
The Lancer is a tad more powerful its like 110kw to the 3's 108 or something. But apparently the 3 has better handling than the Lancer
Oh and both in sedans. I'm not too much of a fan of the hatchback
I really dont know what to get. I'm really stuck. I like both. :S
Oh and I'm a bit of a fag and I havent driven either, but I do plan on doing that eventually. So that might help me make up my mind.
Also the bro wants me to get a white Lancer, not because its cheaper, but because it looks nice. Screw that I want a Black one. I want a black car full stop.
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Lancer is shit except the evos, their engine is one of the worst in that price range. M3 hatchback sports in red looks amazing but sedan is pretty damn good as well.
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I had the same dilemna, but ended up with a Mazda 3 and I love her :)
Just better quality both for the mechanical and interior, cheaper servicing and decent fuel economy.
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The Mazda 3 is really, really popular right now. The Lancer is just downright ugly without the Evo flares and parts.
But I don't prefer either, I just don't like either of them. How can people like the huge front bumper air intake on the 3? It just ruins everything about the car.
I'd prefer a Civic, they''re much more aggressive in looks. But then again, I have no interest for new cars, <2000's baby!
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Speaking of this I'm getting a mitsubishi verada 2003 model right now. :3
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I wish I was even in the price range for an Evo. As if my dads gonna fork out like 70 grand. Although someone told me that I seem like the type to drive an Evo, coz I'm all HK like that LMAO
My friend chose the 3 over a Toyota Yaris, purely because the 3 has the semi-automatic trip computer stuff, but she says thats pretty crap and its not that great. The semi-automatic part (and the fact that the dealer at Mazda gets my sympathy vote) is what keeps me still liking the 3, to be honest. But I'll have to drive the 3 and see how it is.
Yeah, looking back, I dont think the Lancer looks that great either. Although aforementioned friend is telling me to push a spoiler somewhere into the deal. It would look better then.
But I do want a somewhat powerful car. Lancer seems to be winning in that front.
The 3 seems to be popular with girls. Although someone said that the Lancer was girlish too. Thats not what I thought though.
edit: SDPHD where the hell are you? Help me out here!!
Oh Also, I added a poll :)
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lol, the Evo X isn't even that pretty anyway. They seemed to get all the older Evo's I all the way to IX right, then the X came along..But I must admit an Evo in white is stunning, and looks very asian-y (you look at it and remark, 'an asian most likely drives that!')
I'd choose a 3 over a Yaris as well. Toyota makes the most boring, unexciting cars now, you step on the gas of a Prius and nothing happens ;D
Speaking of Toyota, have you considered the FT86? It's Toyota's new sports car that will probably release this or next year for probably around 30k.
If you do get a Lancer, by all means get rid of the ugly plastic wheel covers and get real wheels. Sounds pretty fussy but my opinion :)
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Our of those two, the Mazda 3.
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Toyota Camry!!
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Mazda, simply because it looks better. I'm not really into all the features and stuff that come with a car, but if it looks good then its on my list. I just abhor ugly cars. It's one of the things in life that piss me off.
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if you looking for a sports car, try integra type r or type s, one of the most powerful car you can get under the p-restriction. Otherwise an old civic(eg6 <3), prelude or pulsar is a decent choice
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Nah I'm not really looking for a sports car. I'll take the porsche later on thanks :)
Ok, screw this, now I'm leaning towards a 3. I wont regret not getting a Lancer if I get a 3. But I reakon I'd regret not getting a 3 if I get a Lancer.
Yet Lancer parts are apparently cheaper, and there service is every 12 months or 50,000, but the 3 is 6 months or 10,000
edit: And no Toyota's for me thanks, I'm a curry, how much more currier can I get?
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I just abhor ugly cars. It's one of the things in life that piss me off.
Ssangyong. Whoever designs their cars needs to be shot with a high caliber rifle.
if you looking for a sports car, try integra type r or type s, one of the most powerful car you can get under the p-restriction. Otherwise an old civic(eg6 <3), prelude or pulsar is a decent choice
If it has a 4 cylinder rev-happy B or K series engine it's most likely sitting inside a molested/modified car.
But in terms of new cars, and either the 3 or Lancer, I'd go with the 3. It's common so servicing shouldn't be too expensive.
If you don't mind a second hand, a DC5 Integra is perfect.
Nah I'm not really looking for a sports car. I'll take the porsche later on thanks :)
Now we're talking :) 911 turbo from the 80's HELL YEAH!
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Go for a Mitsubishi Lancer :P, its pretty good.
I drive a Honda Prelude 1989 model, ftw.
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^Lancer for me as well...
Even though I drive a white Toyota Camry.
Gotta love toyota man, really reliable.
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I'M STILL STUCK! Althought now I'm leaning towards the Lancer purely because of the lame HK status LMAO
But I just cant get over the fact that the 3 is prettier. But its also more girly. I've been trying to ignore my femininity for 18 years, why not do it for a couple of years more. Arrghh IDK!
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I think the lancer is way better looking than the mazda... if that's all we're talking about :P
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My parents bought a Mitsibishi (sp?) about 5 years ago brand new. Lasted us 1 year, and then was like a ticking time bomb. In my opinion they are not a good car that will last.
I myself, am getting a Mazda 3. The newish design, mostly because I picture cars as people (the lights kinda look like eyes) and so I would pick a car that sort of smiles at me. Idk, i'm sort of weird like that. BUT GET A MAZDA THREE!
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I myself, am getting a Mazda 3. The newish design, mostly because I picture cars as people (the lights kinda look like eyes) and so I would pick a car that sort of smiles at me. Idk, i'm sort of weird like that. BUT GET A MAZDA THREE!
My friend, you are not weird at all. This is also how I see cars. I find that the Toyota Yaris looks like a dinosaur egg with wheels. And mini coopers look like bugs on the road.
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I'M STILL STUCK! Althought now I'm leaning towards the Lancer purely because of the lame HK status LMAO
But I just cant get over the fact that the 3 is prettier. But its also more girly. I've been trying to ignore my femininity for 18 years, why not do it for a couple of years more. Arrghh IDK!
Lancer is only hk when Evo'd ;)
Therefore, Mazda 3!
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23k for your first car? + insurance?
Holy fuarkkkk
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Holden Cruze looks like a pretty nice car which is in a similar price range. Civic is also a good looker :P
But yeah i would go with the mazda unless you're gonna just a couple of thousand onto the lancer....
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Holden Cruze looks like a pretty nice car which is in a similar price range. Civic is also a good looker :P
But yeah i would go with the mazda unless you're gonna just a couple of thousand onto the lancer....
Yeah, if there's one recommendation I'd make and stand by, it'd be the Civic :)
In my opinion, the best looking small car out of the lot. The roofline slops like a sports car and the interior is surprisingly spacious. It's not plagued by wierd design cues seen in the other cars and look great in dark colors.
Rather cheap, reliable, quiet and a pleasure to ride/drive. The sound of the R18 engine is rather nice too, very Honda-ey. Oh and bragging rights to the unique dashboard layout ;) And and and, the wipers are located at each end of the windshield for extra visibility!
Our main car is a Civic, thus I know very well. If you want to know anything about it let me know :)
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we talking about the new or the old civic? The new model is pretty bad imo
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we talking about the new or the old civic? The new model is pretty bad imo
New. What's so bad about it?
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it doesn't look as good as the old one (Y)
No new car looks better than the old one it replaces! ;)
EG hatch and EM1 coupe forever!
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If you don't mind me asking, why the hell are you or your parents forking out $23K on a brand new first car?
Let me remind you that we are talking about your first car. A car you'll still be learning in. A car you'll be making mistakes in.
The bodywork will get dents, the paint will get chipped, the alloys will get gutter rash, birds will shit all over it, and perhaps most importantly, it'll depreciate like hell.
And being a new car, if you want it to keep its value, you're going to have to get logbook servicing. I don't know if you get some deal with new cars where they do it for free or something, but if you don't, it'll be a huge waste of money. Whereas if you had a used car, someone you knew (or even you), could do the servicing for next to nothing.
Also I'm going to guess insurance won't be cheap as you've only just got your license and it'll be a new car.
To put it in perspective for you, $23K, or even half that, can go a long way in terms of a used car. I don't even know where to start. Even $10K can get you a really decent first car; that leaves you you $13K to spend on something else, perhaps something more worthwhile. Save up for a deposit on property? Save up for a proper car that you'll be able to drive when you get off your greens and leave the bullshit restrictions behind you.
You know me to be quite a car nut, but even I'm not dumb enough to spend that much on a first car. $23K is a lot of money.
From this thread I gather you want something small, something that looks good, something thats fuel efficient and 'powerful'. There are so many cars that fit under that critera, which you can get used, for so much less than $23K.
Anyway I'll get in touch with you and then we'll talk.
Also if you guys are talking about Civics, the JDM EP3 Civic Type R was the last decent Civic produced I'd say. The new gen is rubbish.
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23k for your first car? + insurance?
Holy fuarkkkk
LOL nope, everything shall be under dad's name, with me as a second driver. Rego, insuarance etc. That way I can take up his demerit points :)
I was all for the Cruze until Dad said not coz a whole bunch of his mechanic mates said it was shit coz it had a european engine. But I dont want to think about other cars, I'm already confused at the moment!! Dont tell me how good the Civic is!!
@SPDHD I know, I was all for getting a used car, but even then it would be a 09', 10' sort of old LMAO But dad said Brand new, and I said OK.
Oh and today I chipped off a bit of my mums cars' hub caps coz I smashed into a curb really fast when i was parking LOL
But I also drove a Lancer as well. Its really responsive, I like it, but I'm yet to drive a 3
So the deal I'm most likely to get from Mitsubishi is: Lancer ES + Convenience Pack (Bluetooth, Reverse Parking sensors, reversing camera, electrochromatic rear view mirror with reversing monitor, leather wrapped steering wheel (yeah always what I wanted LMAO) steering wheel audio & phone controls, front map lamps) + spoiler of some sort + tint = 23000
Which is pretty damn good, I think. I was thinking about the SX but they dont have them in black at all, anywhere in Aus, so thats a no.
And I dont think the lancer looks good without any form of Spoiler, but I'm not sure what type I'm getting.
From Mazda: 3 Neo + Bluetooth + Tint + someother shit that I forgot like floor mats
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If you don't mind me asking, why the hell are you or your parents forking out $23K on a brand new first car?
Let me remind you that we are talking about your first car. A car you'll still be learning in. A car you'll be making mistakes in.
The bodywork will get dents, the paint will get chipped, the alloys will get gutter rash, birds will shit all over it, and perhaps most importantly, it'll depreciate like hell.
And being a new car, if you want it to keep its value, you're going to have to get logbook servicing. I don't know if you get some deal with new cars where they do it for free or something, but if you don't, it'll be a huge waste of money. Whereas if you had a used car, someone you knew (or even you), could do the servicing for next to nothing.
Also I'm going to guess insurance won't be cheap as you've only just got your license and it'll be a new car.
To put it in perspective for you, $23K, or even half that, can go a long way in terms of a used car. I don't even know where to start. Even $10K can get you a really decent first car; that leaves you you $13K to spend on something else, perhaps something more worthwhile. Save up for a deposit on property? Save up for a proper car that you'll be able to drive when you get off your greens and leave the bullshit restrictions behind you.
You know me to be quite a car nut, but even I'm not dumb enough to spend that much on a first car. $23K is a lot of money.
From this thread I gather you want something small, something that looks good, something thats fuel efficient and 'powerful'. There are so many cars that fit under that critera, which you can get used, for so much less than $23K.
Anyway I'll get in touch with you and then we'll talk.
Also if you guys are talking about Civics, the JDM EP3 Civic Type R was the last decent Civic produced I'd say. The new gen is rubbish.
Good questions; my car came with half the paint sun faded, engine swapped (the original blew), front end smash repaired, the rear caved in a little, dents, bumps, rust and overall not great condition. In addition, a cracked windscreen from the Christmas day hail.
The thing is, all cars depreciate very quickly. I can't even begin to imagine how much value is lost the moment you turn the key and drive it out the dealer.
23k is a tremendous amount of money, especially for a used car in need of upgrades or fixing. I could use that money for a respray and bodywork repair :)
The EP3 is only good for the K20A, it just doesn't look Honda like the other Type R variants. Don't forget the DC5 ITR - Championship white + black wheels = awesome.
Do not get me started on the latest Civic Type R. The bloody thing has refrigerator handles for door handles and there are triangles everywhere.
Would it be possible convincing them about buying something second hand, saving a lot of money? New cars these days...
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My favorite cheapish small car is the Subaru inpreza hands down, mostly for being awd when the rest are all fwd. IMO you're better off getting a slightly older car, 2008 - 2011, will be much cheaper or you can get top of the range for the same price as a brand new base model. I recently went looking for a car, but settled for hand-me-down 2001 falcon of my brother's which is dual fuel (cheap) and has an awesome aftermarket sound system. If I was to get a new car for ~20k, I'd pick an old Mazda MX-5, a Subaru impreza or maybe the sports model holden cruze (wimpy engine though). Mazda 2, 3 6 are quite common and bland. Lancers are ugly.
Edit: i mean non-evo lancers are ugly. Also Hondas are worth considering for vtec
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Don't get a small japanese plastic toy car for the first car. Go get a commodore or falcon.
- Cheaper to buy
- Cheap to maintain. Imported cars are a lot more expensive to service/spare parts.
- Put in gas tank, cheaper to run. And it has more power.
- Teaches you how to drive an actual car, as opposed to a toy car.
- Less heartbreaking when you crash it, cheaper too (and you will end up in a crash, it is your first car)
- It might be buyer's bias, but I believe bigger cars are safer. The build feels more 'solid' than a japanese plastic box.
- People don't assume you're an Asian driver. Makes life a lot easier.
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It might be buyer's bias, but I believe bigger cars are safer. The build feels more 'solid' than a japanese plastic box.
This.
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@SPDHD I know, I was all for getting a used car, but even then it would be a 09', 10' sort of old LMAO But dad said Brand new, and I said OK.
IMO you're better off getting a slightly older car, 2008 - 2011, will be much cheaper or you can get top of the range for the same price as a brand new base model.
[LOL]You people and your definition of old![/LOL]
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Don't get a small japanese plastic toy car for the first car. Go get a commodore or falcon.
- Cheaper to buy
- Cheap to maintain. Imported cars are a lot more expensive to service/spare parts.
- Put in gas tank, cheaper to run. And it has more power.
- Teaches you how to drive an actual car, as opposed to a toy car.
- Less heartbreaking when you crash it, cheaper too (and you will end up in a crash, it is your first car)
- It might be buyer's bias, but I believe bigger cars are safer. The build feels more 'solid' than a japanese plastic box.
- People don't assume you're an Asian driver. Makes life a lot easier.
If I'm not mistaken, any car from the early days of power steering will teach you how to drive. The feedback through the steering response is enough to see where your mistakes lie. The new cars of today teach you very little with their electric steering and overall no feel from the tires to the wheel.
Bigger, yes, but reliable? Japanese cars are known for rock solid reliability. Toyota, anyone?
Most new cars have the same level of safety anyway. The way the front and rear are designed to crumple to increase the time of impact and reduce the force while keeping the middle area intact is more than adequate.
I can't say I agree with everything you've mentioned. the 'plastic box' definition is only because Japanese cars generally weigh less than American cars. They're still both made of steel, and have plastic dashboards and interior pieces.
In which speaking of weighing less, Japanese cars can still run on less petrol without the need for an LPG conversion for weighing less. You'd find that newer Jap cars weigh in the 1200kg range, Falcons and Commodores >1500kg.
Although the engine and power is a no brainer. I'd still rather have balanced fun though. You don't need all the power to have a well-performing car. If your car weighs less but has the same amount of power it'll be theoretically faster. A higher power/weight ratio.
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^ Falcons are very, very reliable cars. In fact, most Australian made cars are incredibly well-built and hardy. You can just feel how solid they are, everything from the doorhandles to the steering to the brakes. Even the Cruze is really solidly built. Toyota Camrys feel wimpy in comparison to Fords/Holdens (Aurions are fairly tough though).
What's soon to be my car (as soon as I get my Ps) is a 2001 AU Falcon Forte, gone >340,000 kms, LPG converted (cheap to run and can switch to petrol when I want more power), surprisingly light (~1400kg), surprisingly tight turning circle for a large car (handling and manoeuvrability is amazing), lots of fun to drive. The small cars within my price range (and new because my Mum would only let me get a new car if it had a 5 star safety rating) are boring, sucks all the fun out of driving. Only flaw is that it's kind of ugly.
As for safety, those tiny cars with their gazillion airbags and 5 star safety ratings can't hold a candle to a RWD or AWD car that has good handling (controllable in tricky situations) and a vigilant, defensive driver who knows what to do if they get into a sticky situation. And physics says a heavier, larger car is simply safer when crashing because it'll absorb more of the impact, you'll absorb less. Plus, large front and back ends = more non-human stuff to absorb the impact. Getting rear-ended in a hatchback = the whole back of the car caves in onto the back seat, smushing any passengers there. Getting rear-ended in a commodore or falcon = there goes the back of your boot.
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funkyducky, you do know Camrys are Australian built right, they're built at the Toyota plant in Altona :) my uncle works there :D
Anyways, I'm thinking of getting a Corolla, brand new, cause I have a 21% discount on all brand new Toyota cars (my uncle can buy it for me - he works for Toyota).
Boring, but oh well, it'll get the job done of ferrying me to uni and back every day, probably won't get me any ladies though :(
Btw, since when did 5 star safety ratings mean anything? :S
And oh, anyone have any opinions on the Mazda MX-5? - might save up for that ;)
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I'm confused Paul. Which family member works for toyota?
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My uncle! =.=
i.e. my dad's brother :)
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My uncle! =.=
i.e. my dad's brother :)
he's just calling you out because u mentioned that your uncle works at toyota twice XD
funkyducky, you do know Camrys are Australian built right, they're built at the Toyota plant in Altona my uncle works there
Anyways, I'm thinking of getting a Corolla, brand new, cause I have a 21% discount on all brand new Toyota cars (my uncle can buy it for me - he works for Toyota).
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MX-5 IMO is for old people who wants a sporty car, the corolla is nice (mum just bought 1) but if you have the cash get a rx-8,integra type r or an imprezza wrx
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no wrx because that has a turbo :P
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And oh, anyone have any opinions on the Mazda MX-5? - might save up for that ;)
MX5 is a driver's car - the feedback and feel you get from the steering tell you a lot about what's going on in each individual mechanical system operating within the car. Much like a Porsche 911 - famous for the feedback you get from the steering wheel.
For me personally I'd like to own a first generation MX5 with a hardtop, they just look fabulous with a nice set of wheels!
Although me I haven't experienced it, but it's a trademark of the MX5 and it's marketed as a driver's car.
@funky The point I was making offering older cars was for the same reason. Every single new car out there is boring with no character. I prefer my beat up Corolla.
You're right though, and I guess I'm looking at things from a performance perspective with all the lightweight, short wheelbase and all that. But for a first car it's probably better to have a small car. A falcon/Commodore is a full-sized family car and you can only have up to 4 cylinders on P plates right? Or is it 6 cylinders without a turbo? I can't remember.
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It's 6 cylinders without a turbo :)
But either way, I dislike big cars, they're harder to park and harder to judge! =.=" Plus Falcon/Commodores are known to be huge petrol drinkers, I wouldn't want to spend too much on petrol considering the prices are going up.
In fact, I'll actually consider a Camry Hybrid instead of a Corolla.
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KAZDAWG DOES NOT WANT A FUCKING TOYOTA.
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What's wrong with a toyota anyway...apparently they're one of the most reliable cars along with mazda.
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funkyducky, you do know Camrys are Australian built right, they're built at the Toyota plant in Altona :) my uncle works there :D
And oh, anyone have any opinions on the Mazda MX-5? - might save up for that ;)
a) I never said they weren't. In other news, I drove my cousin's Camry today. Stupid keyless ignition had me stumped (apparently you need to have your foot on the brake pedal to start the engine) but not a bad car. Still bland as hell though, and doesn't have as solid a feel as holdens/fords.
b) Mx-5s are niceeee. So light, awesome handling, look amazing (although with the unfortunate potential to make you look like a 40-something year old going through a mid-life crisis). If I had to pick any $20k-ish car to buy, a nice ~2004 MX-5 would be it :D Either that or wait for the Subaru BRZ/Toyota LT-whatever to come out, then wait a little longer until I can either afford a new one, or the 2012 model depreciates to a price I could afford.
As for big cars vs. small cars, true some big cars are hard to park and judge (especially the Mitsu 380 - I've been driving my Mum's 90% of the time that I drive, and it is hell to park. The combo of large car, stupid fat, high backend that you can't see past and front wheel drive with a terrible turning circle is a nightmare. I remember the one time I tried to park it in the little Monash uni parking spaces - took forever to find a space I could actually get the car into.) But the old falcon I described before is really easy to park because it's got amazing handling, whereas almost all small cars are FWD and hence not as manoeuvrable. If you were to get a falcon/commodore/aurion/etc. LPG is the way to go. At my house, we've got 3 falcons - the 2001 AU forte, my dad's 2002/3 BA (both LPG converted), and my brother's 2010 G6E turbo (obviously not LPG converted - there goes all the fun lol). Plus my mum's 2007 mitsubishi 380 (not LPG; petrol guzzler). There's a good reason the 380 line was cancelled, but despite all of it's flaws we don't want to get rid of it, the car's a really nice drive, and it just goes so well. Only annoying when it's time to park...
but yes, I'll stop ranting - for a first car, either an older large car or a newer (not brand new - I agree with 86, most lack character) small car is the way to go, in terms of practicality/safety.
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You're right though, and I guess I'm looking at things from a performance perspective with all the lightweight, short wheelbase and all that. But for a first car it's probably better to have a small car. A falcon/Commodore is a full-sized family car and you can only have up to 4 cylinders on P plates right? Or is it 6 cylinders without a turbo? I can't remember.
You're allowed to drive an Audi Q7 with a 6.0L V12 TDI Twin-Turbo engine that produces ~370kW (i.e. more than any of Holdens V8's and even the S/C FPV V8's) just because its a fucking diesel.
Turns out the Q7 with that particular engine is banned now (it wasn't before), but there are still many powerful turbo and twin-turbo diesels that are legal to drive.
Sure the likelyhood of somebody actually driving that kind of car on their P's is fairly low, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still allowed. Which is one of the many reasons I think the P plate restrictions are complete and utter bullshit.
But either way, I dislike big cars, they're harder to park and harder to judge! =.=" Plus Falcon/Commodores are known to be huge petrol drinkers, I wouldn't want to spend too much on petrol considering the prices are going up.
In fact, I'll actually consider a Camry Hybrid instead of a Corolla.
Learning how to drive in a 'big' car makes you a more versatile driver in my opinion. As does learning how to drive a manual. Driving is a life skill, not something that'll simply get you from A to B.
Also once it comes time for repairs on a Hybrid, you're going to wish you went for an 'uneconomical' big 6 instead. I've heard the batterys they use in hybrids and electrics don't come cheap.
And having driven one, it feels like the accelerator pedal isn't connected to anything...
That being said, Toyotas are great cars, it's just...Hybrids are still new technology.
Either that or wait for the Subaru BRZ/Toyota LT-whatever to come out, then wait a little longer until I can either afford a new one, or the 2012 model depreciates to a price I could afford.
Are you talking about the Toyota 86/Toyota GT-86/Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S? Because I may know what you're talking about :P
And are you sure you're a girl? You know way too much about cars to make it seem believable. Oh and I would marry your brother if I could, purely based on the car he owns.
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Either that or wait for the Subaru BRZ/Toyota LT-whatever to come out, then wait a little longer until I can either afford a new one, or the 2012 model depreciates to a price I could afford.
Are you talking about the Toyota 86/Toyota GT-86/Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S? Because I may know what you're talking about :P
And are you sure you're a girl? You know way too much about cars to make it seem believable. Oh and I would marry your brother if I could, purely based on the car he owns.
Yes, I'll take that as a compliment. There are plenty of people on this forum who could attest to the fact that I am indeed female. Most of what I know comes from my dad, brother and top gear.
Edit: and yeah, that's the car I meant. Couldn't remember Toyota's name for it.
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Are you talking about the Toyota 86/Toyota GT-86/Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S? Because I may know what you're talking about :P
86 :) In no way is my username named after it. I detest the production version! It doesn't have the amazing lines of the Concept II or the FR-S concept. Never the less, AE86 forever 8)
As for big cars vs. small cars, true some big cars are hard to park and judge (especially the Mitsu 380 - I've been driving my Mum's 90% of the time that I drive, and it is hell to park. The combo of large car, stupid fat, high backend that you can't see past and front wheel drive with a terrible turning circle is a nightmare. I remember the one time I tried to park it in the little Monash uni parking spaces - took forever to find a space I could actually get the car into.) But the old falcon I described before is really easy to park because it's got amazing handling, whereas almost all small cars are FWD and hence not as manoeuvrable. If you were to get a falcon/commodore/aurion/etc. LPG is the way to go. At my house, we've got 3 falcons - the 2001 AU forte, my dad's 2002/3 BA (both LPG converted), and my brother's 2010 G6E turbo (obviously not LPG converted - there goes all the fun lol). Plus my mum's 2007 mitsubishi 380 (not LPG; petrol guzzler). There's a good reason the 380 line was cancelled, but despite all of it's flaws we don't want to get rid of it, the car's a really nice drive, and it just goes so well. Only annoying when it's time to park...
Yeah, the problem is fwd, or wrong wheel drive as some people like to tease it. But surprisingly cars from the earlier 90's that were fwd are actually not bad. Think of the first generation Type R Honda's. Designed for fwd usage. But despite that, fwd cars will always wear their front tires quicker than rwd cars. Not only do the tires have to put up with putting the power to the ground, but also deal with the turning forces. It makes for a hard life for the front tires, and understeer is inevitable regardless of tire tread.
I think those generations of Falcon and Commodore were probably at it's highest in terms of offering to the driver. It was pretty much an engine, drive train, wheels and a steering wheel with very little interruption from excess safety and other features that make cars boring today.
And for that reason is why I like older cars. Very little sound deadening material, airbags, heavy seats and whatnot make way for a more driver-focused experience, something that Toyota has been ignoring since the 90's and completely killed off when they axed the Supra, Celica and MR2.
btw, kazdawg, made up your mind yet? ;D
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NO I HAVE NOT MADE UP MY MIND :(
I'M SO LOST. I FEEL ALONE.
Oh and I do not want a Toyota simply because I am curry enough as it is LOL
I'm at the stage where I'm thinking, WILL I BE A DICKHEAD HAVING A 3 AT 28? PROBABLY NOT. WILL I BE A DICKHEAD HAVING A LANCER AT 28? PROBABLY. Because I figure I'll have the car for probably around 10 years.
So I went and asked my dad if he would ever consider driving a Lancer and he said he would. And coz dad drives 1997 Falcon, which is pretty close to dead, so I'm thinking I can give dad the Lancer, if I get it, in about 5 years LOL
So now, I'm leaning towards the 3. Purely because I can drive it longer. And because Mitusbishi called up and said they could give the Lancer ES for 23200 with Convenience pack + tint, but no spoiler.
The first offer I got from Mazda was 1k below that.
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I am so lost in your reasoning, especially about the being dickheads part :P
In any case, can't you just trade your car in when you buy a new one? Also, I drive a lancer and I love it :) Mazda 3 looks too girly/family/common for my liking, no offence to anyone though! :D
And you can negotiate the price down too....I got mine for like less than 22k without spoiler as well. They also have a very good warranty although the mazda will probably last longer. Then again, I don't see myself driving the same car for 10 years anyway.
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Yes, I'll take that as a compliment.
It was meant to be one ;)
I detest the production version! It doesn't have the amazing lines of the Concept II or the FR-S concept. Never the less, AE86 forever 8)
Concepts always look sexier than their IRL counterparts.
NO I HAVE NOT MADE UP MY MIND :(
I'M SO LOST. I FEEL ALONE.
Calm down, you're only thinking about which car to buy, not which kidney to donate...
Oh and I do not want a Toyota simply because I am curry enough as it is LOL
You have the wrong Toyotas in mind.
I'm at the stage where I'm thinking, WILL I BE A DICKHEAD HAVING A 3 AT 28? PROBABLY NOT. WILL I BE A DICKHEAD HAVING A LANCER AT 28? PROBABLY. Because I figure I'll have the car for probably around 10 years.
No idea what any of that is meant to mean. But if you're driving the same car in 10 years time (when you're on your full license), then yeah, there's something wrong with you ;)
But if you're looking for something durable, how can you go past a Falcon? Your dad mustn't be taking care of his properly. There's a reason the taxi industry prefer Falcons to Mazda 3s and Mitsubishi Lancers.
Why not something like an XR6? Anything up to and including used FG's are definitely in your price range and they're not a bland car either.
So now, I'm leaning towards the 3. Purely because I can drive it longer.
Are you basing this off reliability or your strange 'street cred' system?
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LMAO kazdawg's street cred system:
Mazda 3: Female car
Mitsubishi Lancer: Boy car/girl trying to not be feminine/wannabe HK car(depending on which model)
Toyota Yaris: Curry trying to deny curry-ness
Toyota Corolla: Curry/asian
Toyota medium-large car: Curry/asian older driver
Ford HSV/Holden SPV: BOGAN
Toyota Supra: Asian/Curry thats watched Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift wayyy too many times
ceebs more cars. But yes, that is kazdawgs skewed perception of sterotypes associated with car owners.
And I just realised why my dads buying me a new car. I think he doesnt mind if its new or old, he just wants to buy me a car that I'd use for ages that I'd be content with. Like when my younger brother's my age, Dad will buy him probably a used car, because thats what my brother would want that he would drive for about 10 years. I dont think Dad wants to buy us cars that we'd use until we get a better car, even though it would sorta be like that. And by ages I mean like 10 years sorta thing.
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Ford FPV/Holden HSV: BOGAN Real cars that have engines powerful enough to tickle your balls while you shit all over that supra next to you.
^^Is more like it.
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Ford FPV/Holden HSV: BOGAN Real cars that have engines powerful enough to tickle your balls while you shit all over that supra next to you.
^^Is more like it.
A Porsche 911 that will absolutely spank any V8 with half the power :)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3531/3213971676_ece2ed433d_z.jpg?zz=1)
Don't forget, Australians love extracting thousands of horsepower out of 2JZ's! ;)
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LMAO Where the shit did I get my "HSV" and "SPV"? LOL I knew I'd get them wrong.
A Porsche 911 is my pipe dream. I'm not too much of a fan of the Cayman R although I do have a poster of it up in my room. I think eventually I'd have to settle for a 80's or 90's (like from Love and Other Drugs) 911, unless I marry a rich guy who's willing to fork out a quarter of a million for a brand new 911 for an adoring wife. Or if I live in a hole for the rest of my life.
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For a first car, I'd probably be going towards a second hand car that just gets you around, unless you have the money for a new car.
A Porsche 911 that will absolutely spank any V8 with half the power :)
What do you mean by half the power? 530/2=/=424.
Just remember it all comes down to power-to-weight ratios for straightline performance (remember F=ma :P) (although the aerodynamic profile will play a part at higher speeds, as well as a variety of other factors).
E.g.
HSV Clubsport R8 E3
Power: 424 BHP
Weight: 1760 Kg
Power-to-weight Ratio: 241 BHP/1000 Kg
0-100Kph: <5 seconds
Porsche 911 Turbo S
Power: 530 BHP
Weight: 1570 Kg
Power-to-weight Ratio: 338 BHP/1000 Kg
0-100Kph: >3.1 seconds
Caparo T1 (Yes it is a legal roadcar in parts of the world)
Power: 575 BHP
Weight: 550 Kg
Power-to-weight Ratio: 1045 BHP/1000 Kg
0-100Kph: <2.1 seconds
(http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2007/06/08-caparo-t1-final-specs/_Caparo-T1-1.jpg)
Sources: http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-turbo-s/featuresandspecs/?gtabindex=1
http://www.carbuddy.com.au/car/values/specification/viewspecs.aspx?gid=69970&tid=60496608
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Caparo-T1-Specifications.html
Ok probably gone way off-topic but maybe we should split the thread?
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LMAO nah, fuck it, just make it a Car/kazdawg is lost thread or something, but leave the poll!
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What do you mean by half the power? 530/2=/=424.
Just an exaggeration mate ;D A Porsche is in a different league anyway - Clubsports and FPV's are more super saloons comparable to an M5 or something. The running joke is that a Porsche can always show up a Corvette with up to half the power output.
Although, a ZR1 with >600hp is comfortably beaten by a GT3 RS over the quarter mile with 2/3 the power. In a standing mile it would be different though.
I am truly awestruck by the Caparo though, and I thought Caterham was the only one!
@kaz the Cayman would blow the 911 out of the water if it were given the 911's performance. Being mid-engine it's just more refined in many ways that the 911 can't be with the engine trying to swing to the front every time you take a turn.
+ yeah this has gone a little off to say the least...So Mazda 3 it is? :P
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I am truly awestruck by the Caparo though, and I thought Caterham was the only one!
You may also be interested in the Ariel Atom - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
(http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gallery.php/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=20743)
But hey, it's not as comfortable as a Mazda 3 :P
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I am truly awestruck by the Caparo though, and I thought Caterham was the only one!
You may also be interested in the Ariel Atom - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
(http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gallery.php/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=20743)
But hey, it's not as comfortable as a Mazda 3 :P
You get your legs burnt by the transmission housing as well :P
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GET THE MAZDA 3
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Mazda 3, i've heard that mitsubishi's aren't worth it. But Mazda 2 is better than both ^^
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Mazda 3, i've heard that mitsubishi's aren't worth it. But Mazda 2 is better than both ^^
+1! I saw an advert for it today and forgot to mention it here. It's a cute little car, much easier on the eyes to look at compared to the rest of the smiling Mazda range. It's a nice small car with 5 doors!
I would have mentioned the Yaris earlier on but I just can't stand how Toyota put all the gauges in the center of the dashboard. I mean why?!?!?!
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Leaning towards the 3 now. Mitsubishi Burwoods offer of 23200 without spoiler but with tint was like meh. The peeps down at Berwick Mazda love us.
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Leaning towards the 3 now. Mitsubishi Burwoods offer of 23200 without spoiler but with tint was like meh. The peeps down at Berwick Mazda love us.
So what a whole lot of people (including myself) have said in this thread has had no bearing on your decision? Thanks.
Since you're determined on either a 3 or a Lancer;
1. The 'spoilers' on the cars you're talking about, provide no downforce and would be useless anyway since they're both FWD. Oh and they also don't make the car go any faster either.
Plus 'spoilers' look tacky on most cars.
2. I'm assuming the tint they give you will be fairly light. Even the darkest 'legal' tint is quite light. You could go darker than legal without drawing any attention towards yourself because, well, you'll be driving a 3/Lancer. Plus it'll only be a couple hundred bucks; nothing compared to the budget you have.
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NOOOOOOOO dont be a bitch Sen LOL You know I read everything you guys said, and I asked because I wanted to know what you think.
But I'm so confused now that its come down to what offer I get the best of.
Yeah any spoiler I get would be for looks, not anything else LOL And i'll get tint regardless. Tint on black cars= nice. Yeah?
And I not feelin' the Lancer anymore. LOL I change my mind every goddamn day.
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And I not feelin' the Lancer anymore. LOL I change my mind every goddamn day.
Oh we've noticed, hence why this has gone on for 5 pages :D
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NOOOOOOOO dont be a bitch Sen LOL
Firstly, don't call me that, it's weird, esp. coming from you. LOL!
But I'm so confused now that its come down to what offer I get the best of.
If only.
Yeah any spoiler I get would be for looks, not anything else LOL
I figured ;)
Tint on black cars= nice. Yeah?
Tint on any car looks nice, more so, it's almost a necessity in Australian/Victorian weather. So the darker, the better. i.e. Illegal > Legal.
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NOOOOOOOO dont be a bitch Sen LOL
Firstly, don't call me that, it's weird, esp. coming from you. LOL!
:) I know, brings back what? Year 10 again?
Yeah thats why I have tint as a necessity. It'll cool the inside of the car down.
And yesterday I realised how hard it is to drive while fiddling around with the radio. Luckily both the Lancer and 3 have steering wheel control buttons for stuff like that.
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I personally love Mazdas but still think for hatchback the toyota carola is best (in terms of safety) but for features the hyundai i30 has come a long way
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Out of the Mazda 3 and Lancer, İ would say go for the Mazda 3. BUT as some saıd try gettıng an older car, maybe 2005-2008 ? I personally drıve a Holden Commodore Omega 2008 model, ıts great an fast 230 KW (ex cop). For a female Id say : Toyota Yarıs, Nissan Mıcra, Holden Astra/Vectra, Honda Prelude, Ford Focus/Fiesta, Honda Jazz or Hyundaı Getz.
Im personally dyıng for a 350z, fuck you vıcroads and your restrıctıons......
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Im personally dyıng for a 350z, fuck you vıcroads and your restrıctıons......
<3 i want one!
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Best car!