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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: xdecay on January 19, 2012, 01:05:08 pm
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I enrolled in this. After completing Chinese 3/4 in year 11, I'm quite worried that I won't be able to catch up seeing as I let one year lapse without using my skill and don't speak it at home.
Who's done this subject? How did you find it? Are the tasks/levels similar to VCE?
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Also interested in this. What bothers me is that I can't find it when I'm picking my subjects for breadth to enrol and there is no timetable for it anymore: https://sis.unimelb.edu.au/cgi-bin/subjects.pl?scode=CHIN10007&year=2012
I remember they had a timetable when the handbook came out late October but now it's gone. I don't want to rely on the previous 2 years timetable because they are totally different so I assume 2012 will change as well.
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if youre chinese then they will most likely put you into a higher chinese level! had this happen to me last year!
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if youre chinese then they will most likely put you into a higher chinese level! had this happen to me last year!
Hang on there's only 3 chinese breadth entries. Theres one for total beginners, chinese post VCE and this other one...did you get put in the other one?
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I enrolled in this. After completing Chinese 3/4 in year 11, I'm quite worried that I won't be able to catch up seeing as I let one year lapse without using my skill and don't speak it at home.
Who's done this subject? How did you find it? Are the tasks/levels similar to VCE?
If you're not chinese then you should be fine in this stream I think. If you are chinese, you won't be allowed to take this stream anyway (unless you say something like you don't speak chinese at home).
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i did it last year and at the time it was called Chinese 4a
now its called CHIN10003 Chinese 7.
i dont even speak mando at home (canto) but they still made me go into it. its not actually that difficult!
sort of racist LOL but they do it cos apparently we have higher learning capabilities for Chinese....
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i did it last year and at the time it was called Chinese 4a
now its called CHIN10003 Chinese 7.
i dont even speak mando at home (canto) but they still made me go into it. its not actually that difficult!
sort of racist LOL but they do it cos apparently we have higher learning capabilities for Chinese....
But you speak canto and I assume you can read/write chinese right? If that's the case then that's a huge advantage already. I speak shanghainese at home (no mando) AND can not read/write, but they chucked me in 4a anyway... I dropped out after the first class :P
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oh gosh, i have a chinese background but i purely rely gesticulation to communicate with chinese-speakers. i speak hakka (dialect) at home so half the time i pronounce things wrongly in chinese because they're so different yet so similar.
the thing is, i'm doing this as a major in arts, not as a breadth, and am desperate to do well (75+%) in this subject because i plan to transfer to commerce after one semester which relies on good grades. so do you guys think chinese 7 (4a) is 'easy'/straightforward (none of the 4-worded bullshit phrases, freaking hate those haha)?
@dc302, why did you drop out, because you didn't want to do the advanced one?
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oh gosh, i have a chinese background but i purely rely gesticulation to communicate with chinese-speakers. i speak hakka (dialect) at home so half the time i pronounce things wrongly in chinese because they're so different yet so similar.
the thing is, i'm doing this as a major in arts, not as a breadth, and am desperate to do well (75+%) in this subject because i plan to transfer to commerce after one semester which relies on good grades. so do you guys think chinese 7 (4a) is 'easy'/straightforward (none of the 4-worded bullshit phrases, freaking hate those haha)?
@dc302, why did you drop out, because you didn't want to do the advanced one?
I dropped out because I would have spent wayyyy too much time studying just to pass. You have to be able to read very decently, like probably read a magazine article. I could read like 1% of an article. Anyway I switched to japanese 4a which was much much easier for me personally.
Also, getting above 75% is pretty hard I've heard (in 4a, now called 7), as you are competing with very strong native speakers (and possibly some HK international students too!) I've also heard that they do scale marks as well.
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Wait I'm did VCE Chinese 3/4 and also chinese myself. But although I am completely fluent in cantonese I'm actually pretty noob when it comes to Mandarin...which Chinese subject will they put me in?
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Wait I'm did VCE Chinese 3/4 and also chinese myself. But although I am completely fluent in cantonese I'm actually pretty noob when it comes to Mandarin...which Chinese subject will they put me in?
You will have to do a placement interview I think, but I think you'd get 7.
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Wait I'm did VCE Chinese 3/4 and also chinese myself. But although I am completely fluent in cantonese I'm actually pretty noob when it comes to Mandarin...which Chinese subject will they put me in?
You will have to do a placement interview I think, but I think you'd get 7.
Yea probs...the streams are: Chinese (beginners*, non-dialect speakers with Victorian Certificate of Education Chinese, and background speakers)
Technically, they are teaching Chinese Mandarin. I know a lot of people in HK that know cantonese but have no idea how to speak any mandarin...so where does that place them?
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Wait I'm did VCE Chinese 3/4 and also chinese myself. But although I am completely fluent in cantonese I'm actually pretty noob when it comes to Mandarin...which Chinese subject will they put me in?
You will have to do a placement interview I think, but I think you'd get 7.
Yea probs...the streams are: Chinese (beginners*, non-dialect speakers with Victorian Certificate of Education Chinese, and background speakers)
Technically, they are teaching Chinese Mandarin. I know a lot of people in HK that know cantonese but have no idea how to speak any mandarin...so where does that place them?
You mean they went through high school in HK? Then at least 7, maybe 9. The chinese faculty are tight like that...no way would they let them take a non 'chinese' stream, unless they radically reflected upon and changed their policies this year.
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Wait I'm did VCE Chinese 3/4 and also chinese myself. But although I am completely fluent in cantonese I'm actually pretty noob when it comes to Mandarin...which Chinese subject will they put me in?
You will have to do a placement interview I think, but I think you'd get 7.
Yea probs...the streams are: Chinese (beginners*, non-dialect speakers with Victorian Certificate of Education Chinese, and background speakers)
Technically, they are teaching Chinese Mandarin. I know a lot of people in HK that know cantonese but have no idea how to speak any mandarin...so where does that place them?
You mean they went through high school in HK? Then at least 7, maybe 9. The chinese faculty are tight like that...no way would they let them take a non 'chinese' stream, unless they radically reflected upon and changed their policies this year.
Oh wow that's pretty tight...
Yea I just saw the two levels: 7 and 9 - 7 is for minimal literacy and 9 is for limited literacy. I am completely fluent in cantonese (just came back from HK holiday) however my Mandarin is quite poor. I can listen, write and read chinese proficiently but I can't speak and I guess in the interview they'll probably be looking for speaking.
What level do you think they'll put me in? Is it better to stay in 7 or take the challenge and go to 9? At this point I'm really scared of all the international students in 9...shouldn't they all be in 9 though? I dont think you can be considered to have minimal literacy if you come from China.
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If you are international and fluent in mando, then you will probably start in chinese translation (or whatever the subject is called, the one after 10). As for you, they do test reading as well so I'm not sure. 7 will be easy for you though, if you are capable of reading/writing. If you start 9 and are having a really tough time, they will probably let you drop down to 7, but no further.
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If you are international and fluent in mando, then you will probably start in chinese translation (or whatever the subject is called, the one after 10). As for you, they do test reading as well so I'm not sure. 7 will be easy for you though, if you are capable of reading/writing. If you start 9 and are having a really tough time, they will probably let you drop down to 7, but no further.
Nah I'm born in Australia but been going to Chinese school since I was 5. And I only got 35 in Chinese Second Language so I'm not that good. I'm not the greatest at writing essays but I can read very well. I also can't speak mandarin that good but I can listen. Hmmm 7 or 9...and how can does dropping down from 9 to 7 work? Don't you have to do your whole timetable again? Also why isn't there a timetable for any of the chinese subjects yet? Is this going to be disadvantageous to me when everyone makes their timetable on 30th January and I can't because I dont know the times for my breadth?
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does it matter? i thought the closing date for all withdrawals/changes etc. is somewhere in march anyway?
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does it matter? i thought the closing date for all withdrawals/changes etc. is somewhere in march anyway?
I thought if you did your timetable early you get the subject times you want? Like isn't it 'first come first serve'?
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does it matter? i thought the closing date for all withdrawals/changes etc. is somewhere in march anyway?
I thought if you did your timetable early you get the subject times you want? Like isn't it 'first come first serve'?
That's true, but if you change subjects then you will just have to deal with it I suppose.
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in that case, when are placement interviews?
by the time the uni makes up their mind about which entry level students should start, would it be too late for us to start organising a timetable with reasonable timing?
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the interview i did was pretty stupid! it was in english.. and then like 20seconds in chinese!
and even though i speak canto my mando isnt that great!
chinese 7 isnt that hard! if you can read quite well then youll be fine getting 75! if you actually study the words and all then im sure youll be able to get 80?
i did chinese as a muck around subject and still did decent!
note - i only did CSL for vce and got 31!
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Where do they put the ABCs that haven't done VCE Chinese and sort of but don't really speak chinese at home? I have nearly zero read/write skills so I'll die if put into the post VCE class.
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you can just go to the interview say that.. and reiterate that you dont understand any chinese
then youll be in beginners!
sort of dodgy how chinese 7 is level one...
whilse is chinese 6 level 2?
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in that case, when are placement interviews
22nd Feb. Sign ups are in the Sidney Asia Centre in the first floor noticeboard.
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Where do they put the ABCs that haven't done VCE Chinese and sort of but don't really speak chinese at home? I have nearly zero read/write skills so I'll die if put into the post VCE class.
Unfortunately, you will be put in 7. The only way to avoid this is to say you cannot speak chinese and cannot read/write any chinese. ie. you speak 100% no chinese at home. They are quite stubborn so unless you make your case strong, they will tend to not budge.
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What do you think they will do to me? I've studied Chinese before but quit in like grade 5 in English school so it was like grade 3-4 in Chinese. Obviously, this was a really long time ago so my skills are even limited than that. I feel really uncomfortable being told basically I'm going to be put in a post-VCE course because I'm not a "beginner". I really wanna catch up but I don't want to be out of my depth especially as this will be a breadth. What about CHIN20001 Chinese 3A? Can't start there at all?
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the interview i did was pretty stupid! it was in english.. and then like 20seconds in chinese!
and even though i speak canto my mando isnt that great!
chinese 7 isnt that hard! if you can read quite well then youll be fine getting 75! if you actually study the words and all then im sure youll be able to get 80?
i did chinese as a muck around subject and still did decent!
note - i only did CSL for vce and got 31!
actually, the thing that puts me off is the fact that we have to read newspaper articles/actual chinese texts not from textbook within the subject and also that there are native speakers who are also in chinese 7 (someone said previously in this thread, which baffles me i mean how did they even get in?).
anyhow, thank you for the motivation you gave me. i plan on toughing it out and not lose valuable chinese skills.
also - is there a way to sign up for the interview online? will be overseas until a few days before the interview actually. is there a link anywhere?
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What do you think they will do to me? I've studied Chinese before but quit in like grade 5 in English school so it was like grade 3-4 in Chinese. Obviously, this was a really long time ago so my skills are even limited than that. I feel really uncomfortable being told basically I'm going to be put in a post-VCE course because I'm not a "beginner". I really wanna catch up but I don't want to be out of my depth especially as this will be a breadth. What about CHIN20001 Chinese 3A? Can't start there at all?
Pretty sure primary school education will not count. They have no real way of knowing what you did for primary school so I really wouldn't worry about it. Besides, studying in primary school =/= studying.
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I went to sign up and there were 4 sheets.
Chinese 5A and 5B
Chinese 3A and 3B
Chinese 3 Post VCE
Chinese 1
I couldn't see Chinese 7 which was what I want but I know its the 2nd highest level so I signed up for the interview for Chinese 3A and 3B. Is this okay?
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the interview i did was pretty stupid! it was in english.. and then like 20seconds in chinese!
and even though i speak canto my mando isnt that great!
chinese 7 isnt that hard! if you can read quite well then youll be fine getting 75! if you actually study the words and all then im sure youll be able to get 80?
i did chinese as a muck around subject and still did decent!
note - i only did CSL for vce and got 31!
actually, the thing that puts me off is the fact that we have to read newspaper articles/actual chinese texts not from textbook within the subject and also that there are native speakers who are also in chinese 7 (someone said previously in this thread, which baffles me i mean how did they even get in?).
anyhow, thank you for the motivation you gave me. i plan on toughing it out and not lose valuable chinese skills.
also - is there a way to sign up for the interview online? will be overseas until a few days before the interview actually. is there a link anywhere?
Who told you that? You buy a textbook and you read stuff from there.
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Apparently there are 10 hours per week but only 4 of them are contact hours. What are the other 6 hours for?
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in that case, when are placement interviews
22nd Feb. Sign ups are in the Sidney Asia Centre in the first floor noticeboard.
Can you sign up for the placement interviews online? Or do you have to physically go to the Asia Centre to sign up in person?
IIRC, the signups are just sheets of paper pinned on the notice board, with spaces beside times for people to write their names down.
Apparently there are 10 hours per week but only 4 of them are contact hours. What are the other 6 hours for?
Prescribed self study I suppose.
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Wow thanks for the quick reply dc302.
Anyways I was wondering if I signed up on the right sheet for my interview.
There were 4 sheets:
Chinese 1 (think it said for beginners)
Chinese 3 Post VCE
Chinese 3A and 3B
Chinese 5A and 5B
I signed up for Chinese 3A and 3B. (I'm Chinese and did Chinese 3/4)
Did I sign up correctly?
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Wow thanks for the quick reply dc302.
Anyways I was wondering if I signed up on the right sheet for my interview.
There were 4 sheets:
Chinese 1 (think it said for beginners)
Chinese 3 Post VCE
Chinese 3A and 3B
Chinese 5A and 5B
I signed up for Chinese 3A and 3B. (I'm Chinese and did Chinese 3/4)
Did I sign up correctly?
It should be fine, this is only a rough guide and if they think you belong elsewhere, they will tell you.
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Just wondering if I'm able to do this for my breadths:
1st year: Jap 1+2
2nd year: Jap 3+4
3rd year: Chn 3+4
Also, I come from a Chinese background but do not speak Mandarin at home, will they allow me into the 3+4 Chinese?
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Just wondering if I'm able to do this for my breadths:
1st year: Jap 1+2
2nd year: Jap 3+4
3rd year: Chn 3+4
Also, I come from a Chinese background but do not speak Mandarin at home, will they allow me into the 3+4 Chinese?
If you are given permission then yes you can do this. And you may be allowed to do chinese 3/4, best to ask them first.
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Man, I'm terrible at Chinese, I got a 25 in CSL. >______>
My family speak canto at home, and I can kind of speak canto, would they still make me do 7?
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Man, I'm terrible at Chinese, I got a 25 in CSL. >______>
My family speak canto at home, and I can kind of speak canto, would they still make me do 7?
Hard to say. Two years ago when I applied, they chucked me and a bunch of other kids who basically could not read any chinese into 7. We asked if we could go to a lower level and they said no, and if we couldn't take it then we should just quit. So we did.