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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => Rants and Debate => Topic started by: Planck's constant on January 19, 2012, 05:57:10 pm
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Friends and future leaders of this great country,
Whilst our biomedicine friends are busily discussing study plans and biomolecules, I invite you to show off your creative skills by posting your suggestions for things/jobs/anything which are LESS boring than Medicine.
Allow me to to start the ball rolling ...
Things that are LESS boring than Medicine:
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1. Watching paint dry
2. RE and chapel service
your turn
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I would say that medicine would be an exciting career. YOU SAVE LIVES. How often does paint drying allow you to do that?
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I would say that medicine would be an exciting career. YOU SAVE LIVES. How often does paint drying allow you to do that?
If there's enough lead in the paint, watching it dry could allow you to realise "oshi-, lead!" and fix the situation.
lives saved.
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lawn bowls
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Watching paint dry is less boring than medicine? Ok then.
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Low blow mate.
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You know you've got a complex when you post something like this. sweet mate...
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Smart move posting it in the only forum that doesn't allow downvoting :P
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Smart move posting it in the only forum that doesn't allow downvoting :P
+1
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This is an assumption, but:
3. Reading the first post in this thread.
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Well i for one had great fun in RE classes. It's really quite entertaining
You seem to have a natural talent for Medicine
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^hahahahaha
Waiting for wine to ferment in prison
A Windows 95 computer brute forcing its way into the CIA database
A Scary Movie/Date Movie/Meet the Spartans etc. marathon
Translating the Large Hadron Collider manual from Japanese to Swahili without a background in either language
Gaining an ability to move cutlery with your mind through meditation
Being in purgatory
Living in Western Australia
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driving taxi's 8)
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95 % of VN'ers have aspirations to do med in the near distant future.
The best job would be a model, you can get a free make-up kit, you can meet up with beautiful girls (photo shoot wit dem), you get okay money and the money pay off some of your uni fees and lastly the part of modelling is that u can get free clothes especially sum neat as undies. It will be fun, you will start as a beautiful person and then you will come out as a more beautifuller person.
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95 % of VN'ers have aspirations to do med in the near distant future.
The best job would be a model, you can get a free make-up kit, you can meet up with beautiful girls (photo shoot wit dem), you get okay money and the money pay off some of your uni fees and lastly the part of modelling is that u can get free clothes especially sum neat as undies. It will be fun, you will start as a beautiful person and then you will come out as a more beautifuller person.
you know what the best job would be, being one of those people that go around staying in hotels and reviewing them, would be sweet as to get to travel everywhere and stay everywhere for free!
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Watching paint is cool only if your high on weed. Other than that medicine/dentistry are great careers.
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Not sure if your serious or joking^^
Less boring than Med?
Watching clouds move
Listening to VCE lectures that scare you
Learning about space (my favourite hobby:))
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Not sure if your serious or joking^^
Less boring than Med?
Watching clouds move
Listening to VCE lectures that scare you
Learning about space (my favourite hobby:))
^^^
You obvsly went to tsfx summer school ;P
I don't understand why people do med if they think it's boring tho.... :)
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slowly dying when the teacher picks the slowest reader in the class...
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Not sure if your serious or joking^^
Less boring than Med?
Watching clouds move
Listening to VCE lectures that scare you
Learning about space (my favourite hobby:))
^^^
You obvsly went to tsfx summer school ;P
Boring as, thats what it was. All blah blah and no content
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I would say that medicine would be an exciting career. YOU SAVE LIVES. How often does paint drying allow you to do that?
Yes but you can't save everyone's life, and in some circumstances you can become guilt ridden because of this. However I agree that it is a great profession, one of which is essential for everyone, although it should be easier to get into.
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although it should be easier to get into.
Not a contradiction, but out of curiosity, why do you think this?
I think the system is pretty fair atm, and you don't need 99+ ATAR to get into med (at Monash for example).
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What about zoology?
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Posting something like this on ATAR notes is like throwing yourself into a lions den after being lightly marinated in teriyaki... On the note of zoology.
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^ LOL
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Very funny e.claire, just because everyone on here seems to want to be doctors although there a few exceptions like myself and a number of others on here. I bet a lion would find teriaki delish LOL.
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although it should be easier to get into.
Not a contradiction, but out of curiosity, why do you think this?
I think the system is pretty fair atm, and you don't need 99+ ATAR to get into med (at Monash for example).
Just in comparison to older times, I have two uncles and an aunt who are doctors, and they are great at what they do yet they didn't have to do all those admission tests like today e.g. the umat, gamsat. There are so many specializations with medicine that I believe that there should be more of an opportunity for people to be able to get into it, but in saying that I know that they have made it harder to improve the profession.
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40 years ago the amount of people going to university was a fraction of what it is today, hence those tests were probably unnecessary
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Back then admission would have been based solely on academics
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i think it's the opposite, was talking to my doctor the other day who said if he did the VCE a couple of years later he wouldn't have got into med because he wasn't that great academically
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i think it's brilliant that they test to see if you have communication skills. it's pointless having a doctor that's a brilliant mind when you can't communicate to them!
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i think it's brilliant that they test to see if you have communication skills. it's pointless having a doctor that's a brilliant mind when you can't communicate to them!
+1, but I still don't like the UMAT much. It's got way too much luck involved to be reliable imo. I know that Monash has stats to back-up interview selection via UMAT only, but I still don't like it :(
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i think it's brilliant that they test to see if you have communication skills. it's pointless having a doctor that's a brilliant mind when you can't communicate to them!
+1, but I still don't like the UMAT much. It's got way too much luck involved to be reliable imo. I know that Monash has stats to back-up interview selection via UMAT only, but I still don't like it :(
i reckon its a good test, generally those who are very good do very good. However, all the scores are too close together. While someone who can do well is supposed to say get 95+, a lot of luck determines whether they get a 95, or whether they get a 100. Same goes with say from 85-95. Like I said, something needs to be done with how close the scores are, such as running two-three tests, given how important it is on the future of many, many people vying for medicine/health science places in university.
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I have absolutely nothing to do with UMAT and even I say it shit. Did doctors in the past have to go through it or is it just in our day and age?
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I have absolutely nothing to do with UMAT and even I say it shit. Did doctors in the past have to go through it or is it just in our day and age?
I think it's their attempt to show the public that we are breeding doctors who aren't just studiousl, and can relate to people. There has been growing pressure on the fact that academic ability isnt the only ability to govern the ability/potential of a doctor. However, the only section in the UMAT actually reflects this is section 2, the one section which i feel is blantantly stupid. The most social people I've known, and the most heartwarming people who truly understand my feelings did poorly, while some kids who, from my point of view don't really understand people that well (say if they've had limited experience in social interaction, or may even be quite quirky) have scored amazing on this section.
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Well an inherent problem with part 2 is you don't need to be able to interact well, you just need to be able to analyse well -> only half of the patient / docter relationship
I don't even think that helps, you need a fair amount of good luck for s2. Usually, you can get up to the stage whereby there are two that you can't choose between, and that's where luck comes into it.
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^ which is why we have interviews. To show that we can interact with people at an acceptable level.
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As a thought-experiment, I wonder what would happen if they decided to give interviews to everyone who applied for medicine (yeah, very expensive I know and not feasible at all, but that's why it's a thought-experiment) and then got those who 'passed' the interview to sit the umat.
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As a thought-experiment, I wonder what would happen if they decided to give interviews to everyone who applied for medicine (yeah, very expensive I know and not feasible at all, but that's why it's a thought-experiment) and then got those who 'passed' the interview to sit the umat.
Another experiment I'd like to see: How about making 100 or so senior/respected doctors sit the UMAT as well? Just to see if it works effectively?
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The UMAT isn't meant to select doctors, so that wouldn't prove much either way
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The UMAT isn't meant to select doctors, so that wouldn't prove much either way
Well, it does in a way. Doing "badly" (even 85th %ile) in the UMAT doesn't get you an interview in most medical schools atm.
edit: referring to undergrad only
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My point was more that the skillset a doctor has is not the skillset that the UMAT selects for. I'd still expect doctors to perform reasonably well on it, but if you're expecting them to get top 10% or so I think that's a little broad or shortsighted
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The question is ... Is there a method of determining whether a person has the qualities to be a successful doctor
This may sound really farfetched and stupid ... But the best and the worst of people is exposed in extreme conditions...
So, if we got a bunch of potential med-students and chucked them on a deserted island we could test
Section 1 - reasoning and logic
Who can come up with the best survival techniques? Under pressure, who can think clearly...
Section 2 - relating to people
Who will share the coconut? Who will be understanding and sympathetic and who will become the resident bitch ?
Section 3 - I dont see how that relates to med anyway
But idk maybe rope tying and raft making ?
Of course its nt realistic, but I think when put in that life or death situation the truth is sure to come out..
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Who will share the coconut?
A Commerce student would answer :
'Of course we can share, but 51% is mine !'
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Who will share the coconut?
A Commerce student would answer :
'Of course we can share, but 51% is mine !'
LOL
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Who will share the coconut?
A Commerce student would answer :
'Of course we can share, but 51% is mine !'
LOL
please, it would be more like, i'll only take %50, but i'll charge you an extra %25 to invest that remaining %25 for you
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Perhaps one of those deserted island people could figure out the bow drill for fire making. Easier said than done.
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Perhaps one of those deserted island people could figure out the bow drill for fire making. Easier said than done.
That would take intelligence, problem solving skills, perseverance, ability to use trial and error and learn from one's mistakes and the ability to make the best of a hard situation and utilize limited resources - the qualities of a fine doctor imo
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