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Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: bilgia on November 01, 2007, 07:07:01 pm
can someone explain it properly?
we didnt learn it at school..but im just a bit interested in what you actually need to add in for that
thanks
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: maxleng on November 01, 2007, 07:08:16 pm
you need to make a 3d model of your proposed plan from your script book
Title: Re: SUBMISSION
Post by: BA22 on November 01, 2007, 07:11:35 pm
Quote from: "bilgia"
can someone explain it properly?
we didnt learn it at school..but im just a bit interested in what you actually need to add in for that
thanks


I'd advise to worry, they're easy, but they require the most memorization work. They contain sub headings and use bullet points. But as i said, you'll have to remember a fair bit, not worth it with 10.9 hours to go
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: joechan521 on November 01, 2007, 07:15:01 pm
huh, whats this i dunno what u guys talking about is this english?
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: BA22 on November 01, 2007, 07:16:32 pm
Quote from: "joechan521"
huh, whats this i dunno what u guys talking about is this english?


It's a form they can assess you on for POV
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: maxleng on November 01, 2007, 07:19:36 pm
i rekon editorial will be an option

i dont really know much except that you use a formal tone, desicribe the issue first then finally give your (the newspaper's) view/advice

anything you can ad BA22
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: BA22 on November 01, 2007, 07:25:55 pm
Quote from: "maxleng"
i rekon editorial will be an option

i dont really know much except that you use a formal tone, desicribe the issue first then finally give your (the newspaper's) view/advice

anything you can ad BA22


Editorial is likely to be on the exam, i hope. It's my favourite form and invloves comlex sentence structure and arguements. The editorial must be balanced, but use a strong, authoritative tone. An editorial must provide solutions or reccomendations to the issue. An editorial must give a overview of the issue, address why the issue has been raised and discuss the position of the stakeholders
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Markos on November 01, 2007, 07:29:33 pm
I'm looking forward to a good speech or letter..
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: joechan521 on November 01, 2007, 07:32:58 pm
editorial definently not my thing, i'm going for a speech, any tone can be correct
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: bilgia on November 01, 2007, 07:33:15 pm
i would go with a speech or editorial..
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: melanie.dee on November 01, 2007, 07:37:01 pm
i really should have practised writing editorials, i havnt done one in forever.. maybe now. i would like a speech, but i dont think its going to be there this year.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: vce_2007 on November 01, 2007, 07:55:51 pm
Quote from: "BA22"
Editorial is likely to be on the exam, i hope. It's my favourite form and invloves comlex sentence structure and arguements. The editorial must be balanced, but use a strong, authoritative tone. An editorial must provide solutions or reccomendations to the issue. An editorial must give a overview of the issue, address why the issue has been raised and discuss the position of the stakeholders



so we have to give both views of the issue, yet be biased with the view of the paper?
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: BA22 on November 01, 2007, 08:02:32 pm
Quote from: "vce_2007"


so we have to give both views of the issue, yet be biased with the view of the paper?


nah, just make references to them, like in a paragraph dedicated to rebuttal, you can discuss opposing stakeholders and rebut them, etc.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Freitag on November 01, 2007, 08:07:31 pm
Quote from: "childofbodom"
I'm looking forward to a good speech or letter..


Amen. Speech or letter to the editor for the win.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: vce_2007 on November 01, 2007, 08:09:35 pm
hmm i might give it a miss...ive never really done one...unless someone is willing to elaborate?
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Pencil on November 01, 2007, 08:11:12 pm
Quote from: "Freitag"
Quote from: "childofbodom"
I'm looking forward to a good speech or letter..


Amen. Speech or letter to the editor for the win.


They are the only ones I have ever done.. surely one is bound to be on right?
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: bilgia on November 01, 2007, 08:12:10 pm
i think theres  6 possible ones...lets hope vcaa arent going to screw us over and give us something completely whack
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Freitag on November 01, 2007, 08:13:59 pm
Goose, I wouldn't be betting my life upon it, but I sure hope so =)
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: melanie.dee on November 01, 2007, 08:16:12 pm
if we get essay, submission and feature article i think id kill myself aha. just because submission id have no clue, and i never have enough time to do either of the other two justice. thats why i like letters to the editor. despite being the "easy" option they're good to deliver a concise punchy response that doesnt take hours
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: vce_2007 on November 01, 2007, 08:17:58 pm
can someone please explain the structure of an editorial

and the structure of a letter to the editor?
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Markos on November 01, 2007, 08:18:08 pm
Surely they'd accomodate for the weaker english students with at least one easy option..

Not to say only weak english students do them
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Freitag on November 01, 2007, 08:19:04 pm
I love being a weaker english student ^_^

Give me my letter option!!!!
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Markos on November 01, 2007, 08:19:49 pm
Quote from: "vce_2007"
can someone please explain the structure of an editorial

and the structure of a letter to the editor?


I guess for a letter to an editor, to make the form clear I'd write "Dear editor," at the top.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Freitag on November 01, 2007, 08:20:56 pm
Quote from: "childofbodom"
Quote from: "vce_2007"
can someone please explain the structure of an editorial

and the structure of a letter to the editor?


I guess for a letter to an editor, to make the form clear I'd write "Dear editor," at the top.


Editorials require a headline. They need to start with "Dear Editor", and you must sign off with your name and persona at the end.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Pencil on November 01, 2007, 08:21:04 pm
ok now I'm starting to freak out, I always just assumed they'd give us a speech/letter to the editor. I don't like essays because you have to worry about structure, whereas the other 2 are more.. flexible. damit i bet we'l get submission/editorial/feature article. I have no idea how to do any of those gah

But i reckon they'll put one easy one in, otherwise alot of people will flunk it
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Freitag on November 01, 2007, 08:22:59 pm
All an editorial is is an essay with a heading ^_^

Hence, I doubt they'll give us those two options.

I presume it'll be something along the lines of, based on seeing prior VCAA examinations,

- Speech
- Submission
- Essay

or the like.
Speech could be Letter to the Editor.
Submission could Feature Article.
Essay could be editorial.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: melanie.dee on November 01, 2007, 08:23:32 pm
the problem is, they've had a letter to editor and speech and essay combination for the last i duno a lot of years haha. they may be tempted to change this lol. eeeek. if im stuck without either of those tho i suppose id be doing the feature article.. just think of articles you read, and mimic the structure

i think it'll be submission, editorial, letter to the editor tho
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: bilgia on November 01, 2007, 08:27:46 pm
i believe the report is the outstanding format no one has brought up yet
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Freitag on November 01, 2007, 08:28:54 pm
We'd be doomed to have Report, Submission, and some other slightly homosexual form such as Essay.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Pencil on November 01, 2007, 08:44:08 pm
Ok i just checked this sheet I have on all the forms... so feature article is like robyn reilly/andrew bolt style?? I think I can handle that.
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: melanie.dee on November 01, 2007, 08:45:20 pm
i cant find explanations on structuring the forms anywhere in my severely lacking notes lol. ahhh
Title: SUBMISSION
Post by: Markos on November 01, 2007, 08:51:53 pm
Try looking at what a high-scoring response is on the vcaa website, it shows pretty much what structure you've got to take

well at least for the letter, speech and editorial