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Title: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: VCE_2012 on June 10, 2012, 11:17:17 am
This question was easy.
Suppose there WAS a constant friction force of X newtons acting in the opposite direction of the sled. What would be the momentum then?

Correct me if I'm wrong:
You start off by=>
mgh-fr*h=0.5mv^2 (not h, but the distance it traveled)
fr= force of friction.
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: StumbleBum on June 10, 2012, 11:37:21 am
The loss of energy due to Fr wouldn't be Fr*h, it would Fr*The distance from AB
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: VCE_2012 on June 10, 2012, 11:41:04 am
The loss of energy due to Fr wouldn't be Fr*h, it would Fr*The distance from AB
There maybe a question like this, this year.
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: StumbleBum on June 10, 2012, 11:44:23 am
I would assume if they were going to put in a question that is similar to that, they would make it a question that is more force related where you would need to find Fd(Force down the plane) and it would involve Fr and you would have to find an acceleration or something.

There maybe a question like this, this year.
Oh yeh, and what makes you think this, just out of curiosity?
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: VCE_2012 on June 10, 2012, 11:49:39 am
I would assume if they were going to put in a question that is similar to that, they would make it a question that is more force related where you would need to find Fd(Force down the plane) and it would involve Fr and you would have to find an acceleration or something.

There maybe a question like this, this year.
Oh yeh, and what makes you think this, just out of curiosity?
I was reading the examiner's report and realized that this question was handled pretty well, since it was handled pretty well there's a chance that they will hype  it up to tests people's knowledge in the physics involved. Well, that's what I believe.
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: VCE_2012 on June 10, 2012, 11:51:08 am
I would assume if they were going to put in a question that is similar to that, they would make it a question that is more force related where you would need to find Fd(Force down the plane) and it would involve Fr and you would have to find an acceleration or something.

There maybe a question like this, this year.
Oh yeh, and what makes you think this, just out of curiosity?
In the scenario you described the 'mgh' would still be considered right?
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: Aurelian on June 10, 2012, 11:55:38 am
This question was easy.
Suppose there WAS a constant friction force of X newtons acting in the opposite direction of the sled. What would be the momentum then?

Correct me if I'm wrong:
You start off by=>
mgh-fr*h=0.5mv^2
fr= force of friction.


Friction acts always opposite (and therefore parallel) to the direction of motion. Thus the work done by the frictional force will be F * d, where d is the distance you actually cover (i.e. on the slope), not the height. This is contrasted with your change in potential energy; U depends only on where you are now - i.e. your current position - whereas the work done by friction depends on the path you've taken.


EDIT: Lol, 5 other people totally replied between my reply... Oh well I'll post anyway =3
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: StumbleBum on June 10, 2012, 11:58:58 am
No, because im suggesting it would be a question where we would have to find the acceleration of say a box going down an inclined slope with Fr=xxxN so you would need to resolve the weight force into its respected component down the plane and then find the Fnet to be able to solve for acceleration.
They could also include something to do with tension when something is towing something else to increase difficulty, which they would most likely do.

There is a question similar to what im talking about in the NEAP 2012 practice exam, although it is constant speed so theres no acceleration.
Title: Re: q14 VCAA 2011
Post by: VCE_2012 on June 10, 2012, 12:02:33 pm
No, because im suggesting it would be a question where we would have to find the acceleration of say a box going down an inclined slope with Fr=xxxN so you would need to resolve the weight force into its respected component down the plane and then find the Fnet to be able to solve for acceleration.
They could also include something to do with tension when something is towing something else to increase difficulty, which they would most likely do.
It would be funny if they added a spring 3 meters (of constant friction) from the base of the slope or a cliff at the top of the incline XO