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Archived Discussion => 2012 => Mid-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Biology => Topic started by: Edward21 on June 12, 2012, 05:09:02 pm

Title: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Edward21 on June 12, 2012, 05:09:02 pm
There was a MC on the 2012 VCAA that asked where the energy source for this reaction came from? I put sunlight because that energy can make ATP in the light dependent reactions of photosynthesis and also provide energy for glucose which is broken down to make more ATP....so the original energy source is sunlight..... right?  :-\
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: remo14 on June 12, 2012, 05:10:06 pm
sunlight all the way!
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Edward21 on June 12, 2012, 05:21:36 pm
HELL YES!  ;D It was getting towards the end of MC and usually they get harder so I wasn't 100%, but with my logic I worked it out to be sunlight!
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: saheh on June 12, 2012, 05:22:24 pm
I was confused as it never said anywhere it was a plant
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: diam0nds on June 12, 2012, 05:24:55 pm
that makes so much sense why the hell did i say glucose
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Shenz0r on June 12, 2012, 05:25:31 pm
I was confused as it never said anywhere it was a plant

Yeah, that's what I thought too.
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: InsaneMcFries on June 12, 2012, 05:33:27 pm
No, sunlight is the ultimate source of energy for ALL cells. Glucose is the intermediate.

You must remember in the light dependent reaction of photosynthesis doesn't use glucose for phosphorylation. It didn't say it was an animal cell, it didn't even say it was in the mitochondria or the cytosol. It also didn't say it was in a plant cell, or the chloroplasts. So it is talking in general about the original source of energy.
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Shenz0r on June 12, 2012, 05:34:49 pm
I find it ironic how checking my MCQ led me to lose marks
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: mr.politiks on June 12, 2012, 05:41:55 pm
Looks like VCAA likes to really link their questions to overall concepts. this is on the vcaa bio study design:

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energy transformations, including main stages in and sites of photosynthesis and cellular
respiration; ATP-ADP cycle; factors affecting rate of energy transformations;

The whole cycle from sun to newly synthesised organic biomacromolecules, including sugars and fats, to cellular processes requiring energy with adp phosphorylation etc is like linked up in that question.
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: MisterTransistor on June 12, 2012, 06:04:06 pm
It asked for the 'original' source of energy so I chose the sun
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Edward21 on June 12, 2012, 08:38:14 pm
And also with the 1st SA on the structure X, what did you pick. It looked sort of defined and rigid so I chose cell wall, but heaps of people chose cell membrane, what did you pick and why?
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: InsaneMcFries on June 12, 2012, 08:45:14 pm
I chose cell membrane. It had a clear showing of the bi-layer, and the cell was zoomed in a LOT. The nucleus was HUGE on the side. It could not have been the cell wall IMO.
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: vagrantshades on June 12, 2012, 09:01:41 pm
I chose a cell membrane...if it was a cell wall there should have been two clear lines so that both the cell membrane and cell wall could be identified, but I could only see one!
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Gazillionaire on June 12, 2012, 09:11:55 pm
I circled sunlight then when the examiner said 5 minutes to go, i rubbed it out and circled glucose.................
Is plasma membrane the same thing as cell membrane?
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: itsdanny on June 12, 2012, 09:19:52 pm
I circled sunlight then when the examiner said 5 minutes to go, i rubbed it out and circled glucose.................
Is plasma membrane the same thing as cell membrane?

Bad luck.
Yes.
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Edward21 on June 12, 2012, 09:21:22 pm
Ugh I am officially the naive student :\  :'(
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Starlight on June 12, 2012, 09:23:10 pm
I circled sunlight then when the examiner said 5 minutes to go, i rubbed it out and circled glucose.................
Is plasma membrane the same thing as cell membrane?

Is plasma membrane the same thing as cell membrane?


Yes differentiably permeable/ semi permeable/ plasma/ cell membrane all the same thing
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Edward21 on June 12, 2012, 09:26:33 pm
I can actually hear the examiner's report in my head saying "some students foolishly assumed that the structure was in fact a cell wall, which was obviously not the case" haha  :-\ Did you guys find the exam so simple that it was tricky?
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: itsdanny on June 12, 2012, 09:28:05 pm
Did you guys find the exam so simple that it was tricky?

Definitely — on my end anyway (dirty VCAA)
Title: Re: 2012 VCAA ADP + PI ---> ATP (phosphorylation)
Post by: Starlight on June 12, 2012, 09:29:47 pm
I can actually hear the examiner's report in my head saying "some students foolishly assumed that the structure was in fact a cell wall, which was obviously not the case" haha  :-\ Did you guys find the exam so simple that it was tricky?

Hahaha the examiner's reports can come across as really harsh.