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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: ZachCharge on May 02, 2009, 06:55:44 pm
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Was just looking on the web at uni courses today and...well I found this interesting...
http://www.ba.unimelb.edu.au/pathways/graduate.html
So...under the Melbourne model you could do a Bachelor of Arts and after that go for Juris Doctor (lawyer)? Hmm seems weird to me that...Bachelor of Arts can lead to it lol...
Am I mistaken?
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Which of the six New Generation degrees are you expecting to lead to the JD? As far as I know, if you do well in any of them you can do the JD?
Side question (just out of interest): what are you basing this "weirdness" on? Is a BSc leading to a JD weird?
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Hmmm...Melbourne Model don't seem that bad, at least your not stuck on one thing until/if you start doing your masters.
Well...I yes, BoC to law also seems weird to me. I guess from having ther mindset that once its uni time, you have to pick a Bachelor of whatever you want then go to masters I found it weird lol.
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It's the system in place in North America. Except there the degrees are pretty generic (just about everything comes under either bachelor of arts or bachelor of science...or something) so for example my dad studied history and social studies shizz like that in college and then went on to do Law at a separate University.
Arts seems the most logical thing to lead to law
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Which of the six New Generation degrees are you expecting to lead to the JD? As far as I know, if you do well in any of them you can do the JD?
Side question (just out of interest): what are you basing this "weirdness" on? Is a BSc leading to a JD weird?
I have a friend doing BSc who is planning to do Law in the future. You just have to take up Law subjects as your breadth...
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Hmm, I like this system, more choice, you get to try many subjects, see what you like and all. Doesn't the model slightly lower the value of the ENTER score though? I mean clearly in for BoA is 85 while (at Monash) clearly in for law is 98. Since BoA leads to law, seems like your uni performance is more important (which is better I guess).
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Yeah, your university performance is important, so are your past achievements, an interview, the LSATs and a statement about why you want to do law (or something like that)
sound pretty hard to get into
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Doesn't the model slightly lower the value of the ENTER score though?
Or maybe we all overvalue the ENTER :P
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Edmund, you don't have to do Law subjects in your undergraduate studies to be eligible for the JD.
Really, out of all the new generation degrees, I'd say Arts makes the most sense.
You can do any undergraduate degree and then do a JD, not just a BA. It's BA, btw.
This is BoA.
(http://aznmusic.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/the-face.jpg)
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Doesn't the model slightly lower the value of the ENTER score though?
Or maybe we all overvalue the ENTER :P
Well.....ENTER score is....our...err...life?
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Edmund, you don't have to do Law subjects in your undergraduate studies to be eligible for the JD.
Really, out of all the new generation degrees, I'd say Arts makes the most sense.
You can do any undergraduate degree and then do a JD, not just a BA. It's BA, btw.
This is BoA.
(http://aznmusic.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/the-face.jpg)
Whoa. I want to do BoA at UoM.
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Yes, they are not prerequisites.
Though my friend is doing some to get an idea of what it actually is (and of course whether he likes it)...
Law Breadth Subjects:
http://undergraduate.law.unimelb.edu.au/index.cfm?objectid=C18A87B5-1422-207C-BA3518CDB5DB0FAA
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Whoa. I want to do BoA at UoM.
Lol, I'm pretty sure you'd do BoA at any uni.
(http://welshjapanotaku.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/boa_to_release_self-titled_debut_american_album-20090218184207.jpg)
wut?
Edumund: Yep, that's a good idea. Just saying they're not compulsory. Is that list it? You have to do most of those subs in an Accounting major, lol.
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Hmm, I like this system, more choice, you get to try many subjects, see what you like and all. Doesn't the model slightly lower the value of the ENTER score though? I mean clearly in for BoA is 85 while (at Monash) clearly in for law is 98. Since BoA leads to law, seems like your uni performance is more important (which is better I guess).
You do realise most degrees have open electives right?
The difference is that UoM FORCES you to do them rather than just giving you the option...
You call that choice?
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Well...the Melbourne Model...at least your not rushed into deciding a career halfway through Year 12.
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Rofl........................
For a smart kid, your posts to try justify the Melbourne Model have been extremely poor. LMAO
"rushed into a deciding..." lmao
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Oh common I didn't even know what the Melbourne model was until a few hours ago...Well, what is so bad about it, I've just stated my initial thoughts.
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Well...the Melbourne Model...at least your not rushed into deciding a career halfway through Year 12.
Yes.
But some people already know career they want and don't want to spend an extra 3 or 4 years at Melb Uni when they know they can do it in such a lesser time period.
And the Melbourne Model does not guarantee one into a Masters degree. And if you don't get into your desired masters, what happens then?
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Well...the Melbourne Model...at least your not rushed into deciding a career halfway through Year 12.
What does that mean? I finally decided on my course in mid-December last year. It had nothing to do with the Melbourne Model. I'm gonna decide on my majors at the end of the year, just like I would have if I went to Monash. The only difference is that I have to be extra considerate because mandatory breadth limits the amount of core subjects I can do. For something you just found out about, you seem quite adamant about defending it. You're acting like Melbourne's the only place that offers postgraduate study.
It's 'you're'.
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Adamanet about defending it? I wasn't trying to defend it, I just stated what I thought...I wasn't being to serious either when I typed about the career thing (bleh my tone in that post came out wrong...maybe a nice :P would've worked...).
Note to self; hit self in head until you remember to use you're instead of your
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some people on here are overly argumentative ;)
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Well...the Melbourne Model...at least your not rushed into deciding a career halfway through Year 12.
What does that mean? I finally decided on my course in mid-December last year. It had nothing to do with the Melbourne Model. I'm gonna decide on my majors at the end of the year, just like I would have if I went to Monash. The only difference is that I have to be extra considerate because mandatory breadth limits the amount of core subjects I can do. For something you just found out about, you seem quite adamant about defending it. You're acting like Melbourne's the only place that offers postgraduate study.
It's 'you're'.
He simply means that the degrees in Melbourne Model are just general degrees and that you could decide a specific career then...
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Sorry duderz, just a bit stressed at the moment. If I sound a bit harsh, I've got nothing against you. It's just that I'm a fucking moron. :)
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And the Melbourne Model does not guarantee one into a Masters degree. And if you don't get into your desired masters, what happens then?
That would suck especially if you got 98+, cos then you end up with just a BA, whereas if you'd gone to Monash you would've gotten a BA AND LLB.
There's not much you could do with a BA :P
I'm an arts student, so I'm allowed to bag it, okay
That said, I'd say arts and commerce degrees are the best pre-cursors to a law degree. I have no idea how a science degree would help at all
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well 99+ guarantees you entry into whatever degree you want afterwards if you get a 75% average, and 99 is about the clearly in for law\arts at monash isn't it?
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According to VTAC, the Round 1 Clearly-In ENTER was 98.15 - For a CSP of course.
EDIT: If you can get that Graded Point Average of 75 to be guaranteed into a post-graduate degree, does that mean that getting a GPA of 75 is extremely difficult?
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no 75% only guarantees you entry if you get a 99 enter score
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Where does it say that? =\
I know you're guaranteed entry if you got 99.90 ...
75% is relatively easy to get for arts subjects. However keep in mind that you'll also have to do the LSAT, as well as submit a "personal statement" - so if you stuff that up, you still won't get it, and you'll have wasted 3 years in a BA (unless you're okay with just having an arts degree too).
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99 if you pay full fees
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Random thoughts from reading this thread:
- Before the Melbourne Model, nothing stopped you from doing a broad degree and then a professional degree. Also, nothing stopped you from enrolling in courses outside the faculty of your major. Therefore, there was never a problem with choice before.
- The JD is not a masters degree. It is the equivalent of a bachelor's degree. It is just given a pretentious title because it's law. Also, many universities across Australia have been offering it for years without requiring a background in law.
So yeah, none of this stuff is particularly new or revolutionary.
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Monash is actually a pretty damn good uni. I quite like it! :D
But Melb leads in finance, because of the FMAA and the subjects are much better. (imo)
But yeah if it wasnt for that, I'd be more than happy staying here :D
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- The JD is not a masters degree. It is the equivalent of a bachelor's degree.
So wait, if you get a JD, does that count as you've received a master's degree or a bachelor's?
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A Bachelor degree. However, the JD is more highly regarded compared to an LLB.
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The JD is not a masters degree. It is the equivalent of a bachelor's degree. It is just given a pretentious title because it's law.
The title is just UoM being UoM. Their new grad-entry MBBS equivalent is titled MD, which I'd imagine annoyed graduates of their old MD (A reasearch docorate program).
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Was just looking on the web at uni courses today and...well I found this interesting...
http://www.ba.unimelb.edu.au/pathways/graduate.html
So...under the Melbourne model you could do a Bachelor of Arts and after that go for Juris Doctor (lawyer)? Hmm seems weird to me that...Bachelor of Arts can lead to it lol...
Am I mistaken?
The JD is very hard to get into! As long as you got a 99 ENTER and basically got H1's the whole way through you may have access to a full fee place in the JD