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Title: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: thushan on July 16, 2012, 10:42:05 pm
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/death-and-dishonour-20120716-225q8.html

You. Are. Joking.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: pi on July 16, 2012, 10:48:58 pm
What the actual f***. Here too? This is terrible D:
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: thushan on July 16, 2012, 10:57:44 pm
What the actual f***. Here too? This is terrible D:

A kid too! A dad and his young son.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: sam.utute on July 16, 2012, 11:09:54 pm
I struggled to get through the article...

So sad. :(

I'm actually very surprised that the son was given the maximum penalty, given he is quite young.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: IndefatigableLover on July 16, 2012, 11:17:30 pm
Damn and he was going to start university a week after the attack.. now he's going to be stuck behind bars until he's 36 :'(
Still think maximum was a bit harsh..
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: enwiabe on July 16, 2012, 11:34:58 pm
I struggled to get through the article...

So sad. :(

I'm actually very surprised that the son was given the maximum penalty, given he is quite young.

sam.utute, this shit happens every day in developing nations. It's maddening to think about. The details of just one of these horrific stories can send a person into a catatonic state. We've just got to try and push through with education. That is the long term solution for such superstition and ignorance.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: ninwa on July 16, 2012, 11:35:41 pm
I think the son was given such a heavy sentence to make an example of him. The courts are very interested in dissuading other people from doing this sort of thing...
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: ninwa on July 16, 2012, 11:40:00 pm
Mod edit: I have removed all posts pertaining to religion.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: anonymous1 on July 16, 2012, 11:41:11 pm
Mod edit: I have removed all posts pertaining to religion.

Thanks ninwa, much appreciated
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: ninwa on July 16, 2012, 11:46:20 pm
On that note, I think this was more of a cultural rather than religious thing (and this coming from me, anyone who knows me knows how much I detest religion). It comes from a backwards culture where women are viewed as property, where if a wife strays, it is seen as the man failing to "control" his possession. You can tell from all the quotes from Hazairin about "ruining the dignity of the family" etc.

Although this kind of attitude often has its roots in religion, I don't believe that it is fully to blame. That kind of attitude existed EVERYWHERE - a good example is China, which has always been a secular state. It is an even deeper problem than religion because it pre-dates religion.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: Ravit on July 17, 2012, 06:00:56 pm
i know of this stuff in India. Never thought I would hear of it in Australia.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: paulsterio on July 17, 2012, 06:06:55 pm
i know of this stuff in India. Never thought I would hear of it in Australia.

It can happen anywhere in the world really, not just in any specific country.

It's not just fueled by culture, but also possibly jealousy and anger as well. That's just what I reckon - like, it's not as if he just did it outright, he did seem to talk to his wife reasonably beforehand and he did approach the other guy and spoke to him about it as well - telling him to stay away from his wife. So I reckon it's tension that built up over time and eventually it just got too much and snapped.

But I understand what he means by dishonour though, it's not just the issue of culture, but it's the issue of how other families see his. Like the way that other families gossip about his, it's like if I were to become a criminal and I went on the news - that would be dishonouring to my family as well - the concept of honour can really be difficult to understand.
Title: Re: Honor Killing in Australia
Post by: Ravit on July 17, 2012, 07:13:25 pm
Yeah I agree with you Paul, i guess the reason why I was surprised was maybe because it was the first time I personally had heard it occur in Australia.