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Uni Stuff => General University Discussion and Queries => Topic started by: inc0gnito on August 07, 2012, 12:25:51 pm
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Hey guys, I've had a history of not liking maths since a young age, and recently I've developed a strong liking for Law/JD.
(thanks to shows like law and order :P)
I want to do JD at Melbourne Uni, but as we all know you can't jump straight into law, and I was thinking of doing Commerce as my stepping stone towards JD.
My question is, how much maths is involved in commerce and how will I go considering I don't really enjoy maths ?
Thanks.
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Why not arts instead of commerce, if you are a humanities student?
Why not a double degree at Monash?
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I've been asked that many times, but for some reason after reading a little bit about commerce it seemed really interesting and a good way to jump into JD.
There is a problem though, one of the Prerequisites is doing either Methods/Specialist and I haven't done any maths subjects. This is another dilemma I face, how can I bypass this problem if I were to choose to do Commerce ?
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Honestly an arts degree is a better preparation tool (provided you do the right subjects) than commerce is for law, and especially for the LSAT.
The JD and LLB are exactly the same so I don't know why you aren't considering the double degree.
You cannot do commerce without the pre-reqs. Someone on these forums got a 24 for methods. I'm not sure what he did, he either did a bachelor of business instead (not an option for you) or I think there may be bridging courses during summer.
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Also I hear that if you're not good at maths you won't make it through first year. Will wait for com students to confirm though
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Pretty sure if you do commerce at melb or Monash you will have to do quantitative methods (correct me if I'm wrong) or business statistics depending on which uni, both involving some knowledge of year 12 methods - also the way of thinking developed from doing maths will be needed in some first year units such as microeco (reading graphs) and accounting/finance (just some hints of it in the finance section) at Monash afaik
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I know a classmate from year 12 who was a humanities student having done studio arts, English, literature, French, history and biology and she got into arts/law at Monash
A friend of mine also did English, literature, studio arts, music solo, and bombed his physics and methods exams but got 98.xx from smashing his humanities subjects
So don't think you can't get into law for doing humanities subjects. And it is so much easier to get D-HDs for subjects you genuinely enjoy at uni
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There are so units which contain mathematics which are compulsory if you do commerce, however if you progress onto 2nd-3rd year level studies, you can choose the majors which don't involved mathematics at all, management, marketing etc
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Know someone who does commerce, maths is heavily involved.
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You will be required to do quantitative maths 1 AND 2 if you choose to complete a commerce degree at melbourne. I do not believe qm 1 was that hard and this is coming from a student who did methods 5 years ago. I am currently doing econometrics (different version of qm 2 that all commerce students are required to do) and I am finding it much tougher. However, asides from these 2 subjects - students do not have to complete anymore pure maths/statistics subjects IF they DO NOT choose to complete an economics, finance or actuary (duh) major. Accounting has some entry level statistics sampling topics in a 3rd year subject but generally nothing too tough.
However, judging by what you posted - i would recommend an arts degree instead as most commerce subjects do require a certain degree of proficiency in maths. Plus IMO arts is a much better preparation for the melbourne jd course.
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Heres the thing, everything looks interesting from the outside. Lots of people find reading about economics or biology or chemistry interesting on wikipedia or those little factoids but when you have to sit down and actually get stuff done, that interest can sometimes rapidly evaporate. So, make sure it's what you're actually interested in, i know you might like the idea of it but like many have made the mistake before you (including myself) things play out different in reality.
I think you will be better off in an arts degree and just do a few commerce subjects of interest on the side.
Remember, you actually need good marks to get into JD as well. So, do a degree you A) like and b) can do well in. Arts seems like the better option for you.
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http://vcdesk.anu.edu.au/2012/08/08/new-double-degree-an-australian-first/
Do this.
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Bro, I'm just like you! I hate maths, but I'm doing double degree Bachelor of Commerce / Bachelor of Economics. Doing Accounting, Finance and Economics majors with a 31 on methods, my first though was like 'man, i'm gonna get seriously destroyed!' But yeah, doing well so far, haven't encountered hard maths yet. Probably gonna die a bit on finance, since that's the most maths heavy, but so far, I've been doing well because I study. That's the pro tip man, study hard. Study hard, and you won't fail maths.
I know everyone says 'looks like arts might be better for you to JD', but I'm just going to give you a more realistic approach. JD is ridiculously hard to get into (probably on par with MD), and not everyone can get in. My opinion is, yes, do a Commerce degree with at least, a major that has a stable industry. Obviously, that'd mean accounting. So if you don't get to JD, you can fall back to your accounting major to get a job, or something like that.
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Hey aes_99, I am assuming you are in first year. (2011 high school graduate right?) Just wondering how did you manage to pull off a triple major? I also wanted to do a triple major in accounting/finance/eocnomics but there simple isn't enough open slots in 3rd year lol. BTW, just a heads up - you will also encounter some nasty maths in 2nd year ^_- Macro subjects.
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Hey aes_99, I am assuming you are in first year. (2011 high school graduate right?) Just wondering how did you manage to pull off a triple major? I also wanted to do a triple major in accounting/finance/eocnomics but there simple isn't enough open slots in 3rd year lol. BTW, just a heads up - you will also encounter some nasty maths in 2nd year ^_- Macro subjects.
Some subjects overlap etc
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Hey aes_99, I am assuming you are in first year. (2011 high school graduate right?) Just wondering how did you manage to pull off a triple major? I also wanted to do a triple major in accounting/finance/eocnomics but there simple isn't enough open slots in 3rd year lol. BTW, just a heads up - you will also encounter some nasty maths in 2nd year ^_- Macro subjects.
Yeah, triple major because I'm doing a double degree, instead of a single commerce degree at UoM. I know the maths is gonna be hard, I was given some finance stuff from TT, and it looks hard already. I'm going to take the least maths path possible to finish my degree (I mean, I like a challenge, but I don't want to screw up my GPA & WAM)
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I know everyone says 'looks like arts might be better for you to JD', but I'm just going to give you a more realistic approach. JD is ridiculously hard to get into (probably on par with MD), and not everyone can get in. My opinion is, yes, do a Commerce degree with at least, a major that has a stable industry. Obviously, that'd mean accounting. So if you don't get to JD, you can fall back to your accounting major to get a job, or something like that.
There are other stable majors besides accounting, as far as I know (which is not much). Accountants also have high suicide rates :\
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I know everyone says 'looks like arts might be better for you to JD', but I'm just going to give you a more realistic approach. JD is ridiculously hard to get into (probably on par with MD), and not everyone can get in. My opinion is, yes, do a Commerce degree with at least, a major that has a stable industry. Obviously, that'd mean accounting. So if you don't get to JD, you can fall back to your accounting major to get a job, or something like that.
There are other stable majors besides accounting, as far as I know (which is not much). Accountants also have high suicide rates :\
I'm outraged man. Accounting is probably the most stable industry you can pick in the commerce degree. And plus, as an aspiring accountant (nah not really), I can point out that doctors have a HIGHER suicide rate than accountants :P.
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Oh Whoops,
I misread your signature. Thought you were completing a a commerce degree at Melbourne - where it is actually impossible to complete a 3rd commerce major.
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I don't understand why people refer to suicide rates of certain careers a lot lol not like you're going to base your future on something that has a low/high suicide rate, if you love what you're doing why does it matter?
But yeah as people have said above, math will get pretty intense in some majors and not as much in others. There will be some math involved in the core units you take but it will ultimately depend on what major you want to do.
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JD is ridiculously hard to get into (probably on par with MD), and not everyone can get in.
The JD program is not that difficult to get into.
To the original poster: study arts as that is what you have an interest in.
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What is actually required to get into JD ?
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What is actually required to get into JD ?
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