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VCE Stuff => VCE English Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English & EAL => Topic started by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 12:28:59 pm
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... since they seem a bit all over the place atm.
rant, rejoice, cry, yell, vent *sigh*
i completely messed it up ... the topics were really hard i thought and i panicked and then i didnt even read the q and wrote the wrong pov and went home and started crying and that made me feel a bit better. crying ftw lol
section 1 part 1: 4.5 pages of waffle; 1984
section 1 part 2: 4.5 pages of crap; accidental tourist
section 2: 8 or 9 pages in total of unrelatedness
EDIT: I (enwiabe, not ninwa) edited the title. :)
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Can somebody who has the question booklet post the exact word-for-word POV questions pls :)?
Edit: thanks ninwa
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Part 2
Presentation of a point of view
Complete one of the following tasks. Draw on the material provided on pages 13-17 as you think appropriate.
a. You are to speak at a public forum. Your topic is 'Are we overprotected?'.
Write a speech expressing your point of view on this topic.
OR
b. The daily newspaper is conducting an essay competition. The topic is 'Are we overprotected?'.
Write your essay for this competition.
OR
c. You had read the two articles in the daily newspaper (reproduced on pages 14 and 15).
Write a letter to the editor of the newspaper expressing your view on whether we are overprotected.
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I didn't think it was too bad. The essay topics that I chose were OK, just. I was able to use many quotes but I'm not sure I always related my essay back to the topic. 3 pages for one 2 and a bit for the 2nd.
I found the Analysis peice wayyyyyy too long, had to cut Mr Lee's analysis right down. Got 4 pages out of it.
For the POV i totaly rushed it, pretty sure my handwriting was atrocious. Dont even know if what i wrote was relevant.
Even got ownd for having a myzone watter bottle(with the label off), because it was blue.
Fark
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I stuffed that up BIG time. I had the easiest questions to answer, yet I didnt manage to finish in time. I'm feeling so bad about it
a) You are to speak at a public forum. Your topis is 'Are we overprotected?".
b) The daily newspaper is conducting an essay competition. The topic is 'Are we oeverprotected?'.
c) You have read the two articles in the daily newspaper (pages 14 and 15). Write a letter to the editor of the newspaper expressing your view on whether we are overprotected.
I did horribly :\
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I found the Analysis peice wayyyyyy too long, had to cut Mr Lee's analysis right down. Got 4 pages out of it.
Fark
Exactly! I shouldve left the analysis till last, seriously I spent about an hour on it. Real poor judgment of time on my part..
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My thoughts on the exam
It was a reasonable exam, although the sacrifice question for The Quiet American screwed me over. I tried relating to humans judging morality based on the situation. Anyone else do that?
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Nah, I did Part 1 for quiet american, Part 2 for Hard Times. Both Hard Times topics were VERY easy
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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I hate english
I can't write coherant essays
I spent too much time on the analysis part...
I never realised each text response was worth 20 marks each...I thought it was ten marks....that's why i did them last...
I hope I can still get 30 as a score
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lol at vcaa and their stupidness once again
i got 2pgs for analysis 1.5 for letter to the editor
3pgs for hamlet but only 2.5 for im not scared
the im not scared part 2 question was so shit. however the hamlet part 1 was really good imo.
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exam went reasonably well for me phew!!
section 1 part 1: went with im not scared...even though hamlet was waay easier..2.5pages
part 2 : went with hamlet..had to do that cos im not scared was crappy as topic...had to make a choice....2.5pages
section 2: analysis went 3pages long wrote it in about 35-40mins
speech went 2 pages long (i liked what i wrote for this..
i split time evenly between everything...did not need 50+ mins to do a freakin txt..
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exam went reasonably well for me phew!!
section 1 part 1: went with im not scared...even though hamlet was waay easier..2.5pages
part 2 : went with hamlet..had to do that cos im not scared was crappy as topic...had to make a choice....2.5pages
section 2: analysis went 3pages long wrote it in about 35-40mins
speech went 2 pages long (i liked what i wrote for this..
i split time evenly between everything...did not need 50+ mins to do a freakin txt..
I envy thee!
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hmm i didn't do too bad ... curious incident part 1, and inheritance part 2
I did about 3 pages analysis, there was soo much to analyise think I did good on that though, about 2 pages and a bit on POV which I did the essay.
then i did the Part 1 essay, think i got about 2 pages or soo.
then the Part 2 essay, which if I remember right I clocked 3 pages.
Wasn't too hard, but I don't really want to go into that, seeing that every time I say i did good, i get a really crappy score ahh well =]
rejoice in the fact that its over.
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the issue was quite interesting..i had some genuine views regarding it...that always helps...
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Did Media first:
Analysis - Spanned a good 2 pages (about 6-700 words), I liked what I had written. Split up body paragraphs into the children portrayals and parental portrayals with the opening body paragraphs on language devices designed to enhance credibility.
POV - Wrote as a media analyst working with Melbourne University about how the advent of mass media increased fear and it would be ignorant *not* to be overprotective. Concluded that no, we aren't overprotected, we've simply adapted to a changing view of the world. Btw, 1.5 pages or approximately 450-500 words for this.
Texts:
Part 1 - Minimum of Two, question was shit. Wrote about how relationships define us, especially at our loneliest. 3 and a half pages for this, or about 1000 words.
Part 2 - Blueprints for a Barbed-Wire canoe. Was decent. Wrote in first 2 paragraphs how it was their self-interest of dreams and the need to belong that fostered the community and it was governmental greed and power-hungriness that destroyed it. Ultimately concluded that Macauley belives both are instrumental in creating and destroying communities. 3 pages for this, so approximately 900-950 words.
WHO ELSE IS JUST REALLY FREAKING HAPPY THAT IT'S OVER?!
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the issue was quite interesting..i had some genuine views regarding it...that always helps...
thats true ... thats the problem i had lol, but i still think i did alright with it.
hmm my analysis took about 40-45 mins. I enjoyed doing it lol, because i didnt have to read too much into the article to find things to comment on.
Man alot of people at my school, didnt finish and left like 1 essay.
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the issue was quite interesting..i had some genuine views regarding it...that always helps...
Man alot of people at my school, didnt finish and left like 1 essay.
That was the same with my school...and they were all very upset
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the issue was quite interesting..i had some genuine views regarding it...that always helps...
Man alot of people at my school, didnt finish and left like 1 essay.
That was the same with my school...and they were all very upset
Woah really? That makes me feel slightly better...excuse the selfishness :P
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Everyone post-mortem btw. What kind of marks do you think you're looking at for yourselves?
Myself:
Analysis - 9
POV - 8-9
Minimum - 14-16
Blueprints - 16-18
Min mark out of 60: 47
Max out of 60: 52
This was probably the best exam they could have given me, to be honest. As much as I suck at English, I actually felt CONFIDENT coming out. Which... is a first. :P
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My thoughts on the exam
It was a reasonable exam, although the sacrifice question for The Quiet American screwed me over. I tried relating to humans judging morality based on the situation. Anyone else do that?
I did that topic. That was a particularly difficult one, I wrote that Greene's philosophies on war (e.g. that war tries to justify killing for a cause) are against what Fowler did, and that the end never justifies the means.
As for my exam, I was reasonably happy with the I'm Not Scared part 1 topic, and the TQA topic for part 2. Both were challenging and I felt my structure let me down a bit but I think I managed to get plenty of good ideas for it. The media part was what I'd hoped for, the analysis wasn't too difficult (albeit a bit long) and the point of view wasn't too hard either.
I hope I've managed to get enough marks to get my study score close to my target one... after probably an A average all year.
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Well.. I just want a pass in my exam.... so at least 30/60
I only need a 25 in english (I think) to get into engineering.....
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This was probably the best exam they could have given me, to be honest. As much as I suck at English, I actually felt CONFIDENT coming out. Which... is a first. :P
hahah i hate taking a stab at my marks .. but hey i'll agree with you on the whole being confident thing, but i'll add quietly to it. So im not embaraced, when my results show otherwise =]
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Lets just hope for the best, since there is nothing we can do to change our scores for the english exam. ( unless we bribe the examiners -highly unlikely)
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Everyone post-mortem btw. What kind of marks do you think you're looking at for yourselves?
Myself:
Analysis - 9
POV - 8-9
Minimum - 14-16
Blueprints - 16-18
Min mark out of 60: 47
Max out of 60: 52
This was probably the best exam they could have given me, to be honest. As much as I suck at English, I actually felt CONFIDENT coming out. Which... is a first. :P
wow how i envy you.
me:
1984: 14ish
accidental tourist: 12ish
analysis: 8ish
POV: 3 or 4 if im lucky seeing as i didnt answer the damned question
total out of 60: no more than 40.
so devastated :cry:
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Well.. I just want a pass in my exam.... so at least 30/60
I only need a 25 in english (I think) to get into engineering.....
where abouts are you planning to do eng? im guessing your a girl, did you fill in a SEAS apparently girls get special consideration :!:
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Was quite happy with my analysis but had to quickly write on the 2nd piece because the 1st was very long.
Very happy with my point-of-view (will probably do the best in that)
Was happy with my Part 1 Essay on Hamlet (liked the question)
Not very happy with my Part 2 Essay on I'm Not Scared because I didn't like the question at all, but had no choice because I did Part 1 on Hamlet.
Overall, the exam was much as I expected. I knew I wouldn't like one of the topics.
M.
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Well I feel really confident about my exam.
I started with Part 2, knocked over the double analysis in 4 pages in about 35 minutes, then did the speech in 25 which was 2 pages.
Part 1 essay of Minimum of Two was a good topic. I've read and planned numerous topics like it before.
Part 2 essay of I'm Not Scared was complete shit and deserves to die. But I think I did it okay. It will be my worst section though.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the exam. The issues section was generous, as the pieces were nice, and the inclusion of speech and letter to the editor was very nice of mister VCAA.
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Well I feel really confident about my exam.
I started with Part 2, knocked over the double analysis in 4 pages in about 35 minutes, then did the speech in 25 which was 2 pages.
Part 1 essay of Minimum of Two was a good topic. I've read and planned numerous topics like it before.
Part 2 essay of I'm Not Scared was complete shit and deserves to die. But I think I did it okay. It will be my worst section though.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the exam. The issues section was generous, as the pieces were nice, and the inclusion of speech and letter to the editor was very nice of mister VCAA.
Really? Minimum part 1 was nice? What'd you write for it, I'm curious to know?
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Well.. I just want a pass in my exam.... so at least 30/60
I only need a 25 in english (I think) to get into engineering.....
where abouts are you planning to do eng? im guessing your a girl, did you fill in a SEAS apparently girls get special consideration :!:
I want to do it at monash but if not, at melbourne. If I can;t get into enginneering first round, I would probably go for a bachelor of science at melbourne and study the basic sciences so I can transfer into vet science or something...if not, i want to become a teacher!!
Yes..i did apply for seas...for 3 categories....
I hate humanity subjects...I wish I could do ESL
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I think the exam was alright, wasn't hard and it wasn't easy.
I did the POV first (letter to the editor) 2pages
Text Response Part 1 (Accidental Tourist)3 pages
Analysis task 2 pages
Text Response Part 2 (Lantana) 3 pages
I hope I wrote enough... I finished like 30 mins early but I left at 12..
I think I did alright, hope you all did well too :)
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Well I feel really confident about my exam.
I started with Part 2, knocked over the double analysis in 4 pages in about 35 minutes, then did the speech in 25 which was 2 pages.
Part 1 essay of Minimum of Two was a good topic. I've read and planned numerous topics like it before.
Part 2 essay of I'm Not Scared was complete shit and deserves to die. But I think I did it okay. It will be my worst section though.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the exam. The issues section was generous, as the pieces were nice, and the inclusion of speech and letter to the editor was very nice of mister VCAA.
Really? Minimum part 1 was nice? What'd you write for it, I'm curious to know?
From memory (and considering I'm quite braindead at the moment isn't too good), my split was something like:
Characters without connections are shown to suffer, as they cannot find their identity (drawing upon T.W.W.D.A.W.F.D, and N.M.C)
Characters with connections they understand are able to develop their identity and benefit (Jerra in gravity, Rachel in T.S.O, Queenie in Laps)
Characters with connections who don't understand them get a false sense of identity, and suffer as a consequence (Madigan from M.o.T)
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I think the exam was alright, wasn't hard and it wasn't easy.
I did the POV first (letter to the editor) 2pages
Text Response Part 1 (Accidental Tourist)3 pages
Analysis task 2 pages
Text Response Part 2 (Lantana) 3 pages
I hope I wrote enough... I finished like 30 mins early but I left at 12..
I think I did alright, hope you all did well too :)
haha 30 mins early, and werent you stressing about how long it would take to write your vcaa number in?
also did anyone use the task material? i put in some meaningless statistic from the graph haha.
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My hand was killing me during the final hour of the exam and my neck was tired after the exam. Who's hand fell off? Anyone?
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I think the exam was alright, wasn't hard and it wasn't easy.
I did the POV first (letter to the editor) 2pages
Text Response Part 1 (Accidental Tourist)3 pages
Analysis task 2 pages
Text Response Part 2 (Lantana) 3 pages
I hope I wrote enough... I finished like 30 mins early but I left at 12..
I think I did alright, hope you all did well too :)
also did anyone use the task material? i put in some meaningless statistic from the graph haha.
haha i did exactly the same thing lol
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Well I feel really confident about my exam.
I started with Part 2, knocked over the double analysis in 4 pages in about 35 minutes, then did the speech in 25 which was 2 pages.
Part 1 essay of Minimum of Two was a good topic. I've read and planned numerous topics like it before.
Part 2 essay of I'm Not Scared was complete shit and deserves to die. But I think I did it okay. It will be my worst section though.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the exam. The issues section was generous, as the pieces were nice, and the inclusion of speech and letter to the editor was very nice of mister VCAA.
Really? Minimum part 1 was nice? What'd you write for it, I'm curious to know?
From memory (and considering I'm quite braindead at the moment isn't too good), my split was something like:
Characters without connections are shown to suffer, as they cannot find their identity (drawing upon T.W.W.D.A.W.F.D, and N.M.C)
Characters with connections they understand are able to develop their identity and benefit (Jerra in gravity, Rachel in T.S.O, Queenie in Laps)
Characters with connections who don't understand them get a false sense of identity, and suffer as a consequence (Madigan from M.o.T)
HIGH FIVE! WE DID EXACTLY THE SAME THING ONLY I HAD CHARACTERS WITH CONNECTIONS FIRST! AND THE MINIMUM OF TWO NOTION DEVOTED TO A WHOLE PARAGRAPH LAST I.E. YOUR FIRST PARAGRAPH PRETTY MUCH
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HIGH FIVE =D
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I'm a happy happy Peter...
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Lols ^^
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i just got back from a looooooong lunch
I liked the exam, especially the issue. I was surprised that they kept the same POV's and was a little dissapointed at no editorial.
I did Part one Minimum of two 5.5 pages
Part 2 Hard Time 3.5 pages
glad it's over!!
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I think the exam was alright, wasn't hard and it wasn't easy.
I did the POV first (letter to the editor) 2pages
Text Response Part 1 (Accidental Tourist)3 pages
Analysis task 2 pages
Text Response Part 2 (Lantana) 3 pages
I hope I wrote enough... I finished like 30 mins early but I left at 12..
I think I did alright, hope you all did well too :)
haha 30 mins early, and werent you stressing about how long it would take to write your vcaa number in?
also did anyone use the task material? i put in some meaningless statistic from the graph haha.
I wasn't stressing about it goosefraba was i think lol ...
I was just reassuring her :P
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I'm fairly confident that I did well.
Did anyone hear the rumour on the radio that the exam was available on the Internet last night?
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Anyone notice that the exam said, up in the top corners from like, page 4 onwards, "VCAA exam 2006" ?
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Falsehood! (not to Freitag's error, but the leaked English exam)
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/leaked-english-exam-is-a-fake/2007/11/02/1193619104099.html
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Question: Is quoting the task material for a point of view part as a speech a bad thing?
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Did anyone hear the rumour on the radio that the exam was available on the Internet last night?
Since when is talkback radio a credible source of information?
I did Lantana part 1 and Kitey for part 2 (about 5.5 pages each). Can't remember how much I wrote for lang. analysis around 4 pages I think, and I did the letter to ed. for POV, around 2 pages.
LOL, there was a spider in our exam room - they said people could ask for extra writing time if they felt "their concentration had been comprimised by the presence of the spider"....babies
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And I bet the fake exam had 2007 written properly on each page
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And I bet the fake exam had 2007 written properly on each page
OH shabam.
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Question: Is quoting the task material for a point of view part as a speech a bad thing?
I don't think so :)
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can someone please scan this year's paper up? (just the issue session)
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can someone please scan this year's paper up? (just the issue session)
They've already typed out the questions for Part 2 of the media section. See the first page of this topic.
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Question: Is quoting the task material for a point of view part as a speech a bad thing?
No it is an excellent thing to do, as long as it was relevant to your article was clearly there to make a persuasive point
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can someone please scan this year's paper up? (just the issue session)
They've already typed out the questions for Part 2 of the media section. See the first page of this topic.
I meant scanning the task material
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Thanks, now I can rest easy... :wink:
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can someone please scan this year's paper up? (just the issue session)
They've already typed out the questions for Part 2 of the media section. See the first page of this topic.
I meant scanning the task material
Ah, sorry. Thought you meant questions lol.
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oh my god i ABSOLUTELY effed it :cry:
and the questions were awesome, best i could've hoped for, but i didnt finish, i spent too long on my first essay, therefore i fucked up my second by barely writing it, and adn then i was so stressed because i KNEW i wasnt gona finished that my analysis was complete shit, espcially the second article, and i only wrote one sentence for my point of view.
devastated. as soon as the were like pens down, i burst into tears :cry:
well theres my second best subject effed up entirely. fuck highest i could get is probs
16 for man essay
12 for lbw essay
6 for analysis
2 for pov
fuck 36/60 maximum. what the fuck have i done thats worse than a trial i did in the middle of the year where id not even picked up a book. holy shit shit shit shit shit. shit. SHIT.
am i gona to fuck my class up too? i would've been ranked in the top sort of group of people. should i be thankful that my sacs will pull me up a bit? what will happen if i get A+A+B? and A+A+C+? fuuuuuuuuuuuck
If your first essay was good, it might help balance the scales a bit. You might have made some excellent points in your analysis, and you may get possiblly a 7, maybe even 8.
Relax now, it is done.
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oh my god i ABSOLUTELY effed it :cry:
and the questions were awesome, best i could've hoped for, but i didnt finish, i spent too long on my first essay, therefore i fucked up my second by barely writing it, and adn then i was so stressed because i KNEW i wasnt gona finished that my analysis was complete shit, espcially the second article, and i only wrote one sentence for my point of view.
devastated. as soon as the were like pens down, i burst into tears :cry:
well theres my second best subject effed up entirely. fuck highest i could get is probs
16 for man essay
12 for lbw essay
6 for analysis
2 for pov
fuck 36/60 maximum. what the fuck have i done thats worse than a trial i did in the middle of the year where id not even picked up a book. holy shit shit shit shit shit. shit. SHIT.
am i gona to fuck my class up too? i would've been ranked in the top sort of group of people. should i be thankful that my sacs will pull me up a bit? what will happen if i get A+A+B? and A+A+C+? fuuuuuuuuuuuck
i got A+ for all my sacs last yr but stuffed up my end of yr - only wrote 1 para and a bit for my POV (half a page). In the end, my sacs score got pulled down to an A
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oh my god i ABSOLUTELY effed it :cry:
and the questions were awesome, best i could've hoped for, but i didnt finish, i spent too long on my first essay, therefore i fucked up my second by barely writing it, and adn then i was so stressed because i KNEW i wasnt gona finished that my analysis was complete shit, espcially the second article, and i only wrote one sentence for my point of view.
devastated. as soon as the were like pens down, i burst into tears :cry:
well theres my second best subject effed up entirely. fuck highest i could get is probs
16 for man essay
12 for lbw essay
6 for analysis
2 for pov
fuck 36/60 maximum. what the fuck have i done thats worse than a trial i did in the middle of the year where id not even picked up a book. holy shit shit shit shit shit. shit. SHIT.
am i gona to fuck my class up too? i would've been ranked in the top sort of group of people. should i be thankful that my sacs will pull me up a bit? what will happen if i get A+A+B? and A+A+C+? fuuuuuuuuuuuck
i got A+ for all my sacs last yr but stuffed up my end of yr - only wrote 1 para and a bit for my POV (half a page). In the end, my sacs score got pulled down to an A
yeh but sac scores are based on how everyone else does right? everyone around the same ranking as me would be very unlikely to get lower than an A+ for the exam, say im ranked 5th ill be taking the 5th ranked exam mark as my sac mark yeh? if so, it'll most likely be an A+. but i will be effing someone else up somewhere along the track i think
yeh thanks BA22 im a bit over it now, although i couldnt stop crying for ages. i suppose theres not much i can do. lets hope the man response was ridiculously good (unlikely) and pulls me up a bit.
out of interest, what would a A+A+B get me? 32/33?
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Well I'm pretty pleased with how the exam worked out.
I did I'm Not Scared for Part 1- 6 pages (big writing)
I did Look Both Ways for Part 2- 6 pages also
Media analysis was good- 4 pages
Letter to the editor was a bit rushed but I think I did okay- 3 pages
Essentially I thought it was a really good exam- The I'm Not Scared question for Part 2--- I almost answered it but then changed my mind! It was the most bizarre question! Anyone agree? So glad I didn't answer it.
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yeh but sac scores are based on how everyone else does right? everyone around the same ranking as me would be very unlikely to get lower than an A+ for the exam, say im ranked 5th ill be taking the 5th ranked exam mark as my sac mark yeh? if so, it'll most likely be an A+. but i will be effing someone else up somewhere along the track i think
yeh thanks BA22 im a bit over it now, although i couldnt stop crying for ages. i suppose theres not much i can do. lets hope the man response was ridiculously good (unlikely) and pulls me up a bit.
out of interest, what would a A+A+B get me? 32/33?[/quote]
that wud give u at least a 36
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It wont be as bad as you think
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Egh .. not good.
I spent an hour on the analysis, about 45 min into the exam I just started thinking oh damnit, I've still got to analyse the other article. So then I wrote a really hurried PoV in about 15 minutes (so I doubt it was any good), and then went for part 2 and part 1. However after screwing myself time-wise on the analysis I was kinda not thinking that clearly for the part 1 and 2. I finished it but, gah, it's not going to be very good.
The thing that sucks is, I was ranked #2 in the first semester and #3 in the second... so, that means my SAC scores will be A or A+ for both semesters, but my exam will be terrible (perhaps a C?). Any idea how bad this study score will be?
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really?? maybe theres hope yet lol
A+A+C+ is probably more likely though ha
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provided ur C+ is a high C+ -i think 35/36 is still possible
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melanie.dee ... i know exactly how you feel ... after german and english ive now stuffed up two of my best subjects. i guess the only thing we can do now is keep our mind on the exams to come and do our best for them.
could somebody please copy the exam criteria into here?
i didnt really address the pov question because im an idiot, so i wanted to see how many marks i could get for that. probably no more than 3 or 4. sigh
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melanie.dee ... i know exactly how you feel ... after german and english ive now stuffed up two of my best subjects. i guess the only thing we can do now is keep our mind on the exams to come and do our best for them.
could somebody please copy the exam criteria into here?
i didnt really address the pov question because im an idiot, so i wanted to see how many marks i could get for that. probably no more than 3 or 4. sigh
yep iv stuffed up french and english. and although i was devastated with french, now iv stuffed up english so badly, my french stuff up is looking minor in comparison haha. lets hope our orals wernt as bad as though, we might be nicely surprised. and try really hard for the lote writtens
and english.. well i highly doubt you've done as badly as you think, all the essays you've posted have been exceptional, and you are thinking about how off topic your pov because you KNOW you didnt write it trying to answer the topic.. the examiner will go into reading assuming that you've done it in answer to the topic.. therefore, if there are things in that relate it to the question, they probably wont even realise it wasnt done to the topic.. i mean sure they might be like ooh thats a bit irrelevant, but that'll just lose you a couple of marks.. i doubt you're looking at a 3! i on the end hand, wrote about 2 sentences for mine therefore <2 lol
you also have 3 amazing scores already! i think 3, right lol? so really, you've got no problems, sure english might not be quite as high as you wanted, but you'll still get an amazing score
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melanie.dee ... i know exactly how you feel ... after german and english ive now stuffed up two of my best subjects. i guess the only thing we can do now is keep our mind on the exams to come and do our best for them.
could somebody please copy the exam criteria into here?
i didnt really address the pov question because im an idiot, so i wanted to see how many marks i could get for that. probably no more than 3 or 4. sigh
As long as you wrote on the issue, refering to the material, you'll qualify as relevant in your response, don't even worry about it
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Well I'm pretty pleased with how the exam worked out.
I did I'm Not Scared for Part 1- 6 pages (big writing)
I did Look Both Ways for Part 2- 6 pages also
Media analysis was good- 4 pages
Letter to the editor was a bit rushed but I think I did okay- 3 pages
Essentially I thought it was a really good exam- The I'm Not Scared question for Part 2--- I almost answered it but then changed my mind! It was the most bizarre question! Anyone agree? So glad I didn't answer it.
yea i thought im not scared part 2 qn was whack..so i had to do hamlet there....part 1 hamlet and imnotscared were both appealing so i was covered
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mmm .... yeah you're right. thanks .... i actually feel a bit better now after reading what you said :)
btw, just remember, at least you've written something substantial for 3 out of 4 things. i know ppl from my school who wrote at most one and half pages for each thing and just sat there for the rest of the time. (considering i go to a private school. NOT saying private schools are better, just that mine can afford to hire teachers who are/have been examiners, extra helpers, speakers for each text etc and they still couldn't write more than a couple of pages at most)
so you're most likely still better off than half the state i reckon
BA22 i sincerely hope you're right! i was so upset about it ... i think i was hyperventilating cos i was crying so hard lol :oops:
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hmm I think I did okay, I spent a little too long on the analysis and had to rush my p.o.v wrote about 3 pages for each text response and the analysis, and 2 for my p.o.v
my friend told me she spent TWO HOURS on her analysis...including 1 hr of annotating, omg!
and another finished 45 mins early....I finished like 2 minutes before the lady said pens down so I'm very relieved that I got it all done in time. In my trial exams I always ran out of time
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could somebody please copy the exam criteria into here?
i didnt really address the pov question because im an idiot, so i wanted to see how many marks i could get for that. probably no more than 3 or 4. sigh
do you mean this criteria?
Section 2 ? Writing task (Part 2)
6. ability to present a point of view which shows awareness of purpose, audience and form in shaping the piece of writing
7. knowledge and understanding of the material presented
8. control of expressive and effective language appropriate to the task
i think if your p.o.v. didn't specifically address the question asked, but it did relate to the general issue then you could still get a fairly o.k. mark. the question was fairly broad anyway, so i don't think they'd be ultra fussed if you p.o.v. didn't exactly relate to it...but i'm not an assessor so what do i know? lol
but you still receive marks for other points like control of language etc. so don't worry too much. it's over now, just try to concentrate on the exams you have left. don't waste a whole afternoon of potential studying worrying about something you can't change now.
*chin up* :)
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hmm I think I did okay, I spent a little too long on the analysis and had to rush my p.o.v wrote about 3 pages for each text response and the analysis, and 2 for my p.o.v
my friend told me she spent TWO HOURS on her analysis...including 1 hr of annotating, omg!
and another finished 45 mins early....I finished like 2 minutes before the lady said pens down so I'm very relieved that I got it all done in time. In my trial exams I always ran out of time
yeh, the lady told me pens down . .i ignored her for 30 secs
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lol...thank god its over! most of my stress was due to english becuase i knew if i fuked it, id feel shit for the whole exam period and later.
part 1- quiet american (4/5 pages: i dun exactly remember)
part 2 - hard times (jus under 5 pages)
lang - 2.5 pages or so
pov - 3 pages.
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did anyone do man for all seasons pt 2 topic? id be interested to know what people put i liked it, but obviously spent to long on it, even though i liked it, i couldnt really pull my ideas together properly
i also struggled so much writing the part 1 essay. i scribbled out 2 attempted intros because they sounded like part 2 intros and i thought i was writing a part 2 essay. mostly because it was a question on a theme that comes up a lot in part 2 as well (the look both ways question, that is)
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my friend told me she spent TWO HOURS on her analysis...including 1 hr of annotating, omg!
2 hours on analysis?!?
did she do ANY of her essays? :?
astarael: thanks for that. ill try to move on. i had such high hopes for english, but im gonna try to do my best in my other subjects now :)
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Wow 2 hours on the analysis that is only worth 20 marks :P
Time management is so important ... people sometimes underestimate how important it is...
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did anyone do man for all seasons pt 2 topic? id be interested to know what people put i liked it, but obviously spent to long on it, even though i liked it, i couldnt really pull my ideas together properly
Yeah I did Man For All Seasons part 2...lol kinda confusing. I was rushing thru it so my ideas might not have made sense. What did you write about?
2 hours on analysis?!?
did she do ANY of her essays? :?
haha that's what I asked. but she seemed pretty laidback and not concerned so :S
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Was it just the analysis or the writing task as a whole??
Time management is so important !!! people just don't understand how important it is...
Ahh well...
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hey people
took 50 minutes - wrote part one barbed wire canoe wrote 5 pages
next took one hour - part two curious incident weird question wrote 5 pages
analysis took 45 min thought it was a bit long wrote 4 pages
now i only had like 20 min left for pov
rushed it a bit but still think wasnt to bad
some questions bout it
i only wrote 1.5 pages you guys reckon its a enough?
secondly and major question
the pov asked are we overprotected
me n my friend qrote as a parent saying how you know protection is needed
are we wrong?
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Was it just the analysis or the writing task as a whole??
Time management is so important !!! people just don't understand how important it is...
Ahh well...
it was JUST the analysis. rofl. she showed me her paper afterwards, there were annotations and highlighted bits of text everywhere...I barely spent 2 minutes annotating o_o
yeah time management is so crucial, that's why I'm relieved just to know I finished in time
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Simon, ALOT of people did that (I did it too.. same persona as well).
From my knowledge, in 2003 or 2004 a high percentile of students misread the question for the POV, and could only achieve a maximum of 6.
With your response you'd have probably covered the actual question in your reasonings anyway, so don't worry.
And as for spending 2 hours on the analysis, Wow.. o_O
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Was it just the analysis or the writing task as a whole??
Time management is so important !!! people just don't understand how important it is...
Ahh well...
it was JUST the analysis. rofl. she showed me her paper afterwards, there were annotations and highlighted bits of text everywhere...I barely spent 2 minutes annotating o_o
yeah time management is so crucial, that's why I'm relieved just to know I finished in time
WOW OMG LOL ... DOESN'T SHE HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE? SPENDING 2 HOURS ON SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH 10 MARKS??!??
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Yeah, I thought taking just under an hour was a litle overboard..
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did anyone do man for all seasons pt 2 topic? id be interested to know what people put i liked it, but obviously spent to long on it, even though i liked it, i couldnt really pull my ideas together properly
yeh while i liked the topic, i didnt make it work very well either. but i had fortuntely read the preface just last nite, and its talks a lot about bolt's ideas of society and the individual and stuff.. i think i talked about society being built around convenience and that quote how if most people want a divorce, they get it if its convenient or not if not, but if the key wants a divorce everything shifts to make that convenient or something.. so i said that the values were shaped according to the most powerful group.. then i said that individuals willing to adapt to this could gain consideral personal physcial success in such a society, but ultimate lost their freedom and hence kind of lost their individuality.. and then i said that when ones personal values come into conflict wiht most powerful group, and are unwillig to stand aside, ultimately they cease to have a place in that society and are deestroyed or something
meanwhile the look both ways topic.. i really regret choosing lbw because my essay so simplistic and yr 7 sounding it was horrible
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Not to mention spending an hour annotating... You don't get any marks for that.
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Mel you're a really good writer. I bet you're underestimating your score on the other 3 pieces. POV is worth 1/6th, not so much. I hope you do well. :wink:
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From my knowledge, in 2003 or 2004 a high percentile of students misread the question for the POV, and could only achieve a maximum of 6.
It'll be interesting as to what they deem to be completely 'misreading' the question or whatever...
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Not to mention spending an hour annotating... You don't get any marks for that.
Ha exactly what I thought when I realised they dont take the Task Book up... All those notes/scribbles over the articles that I wasted time on
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did anyone do man for all seasons pt 2 topic? id be interested to know what people put i liked it, but obviously spent to long on it, even though i liked it, i couldnt really pull my ideas together properly
yeh while i liked the topic, i didnt make it work very well either. but i had fortuntely read the preface just last nite, and its talks a lot about bolt's ideas of society and the individual and stuff.. i think i talked about society being built around convenience and that quote how if most people want a divorce, they get it if its convenient or not if not, but if the key wants a divorce everything shifts to make that convenient or something.. so i said that the values were shaped according to the most powerful group.. then i said that individuals willing to adapt to this could gain consideral personal physcial success in such a society, but ultimate lost their freedom and hence kind of lost their individuality.. and then i said that when ones personal values come into conflict wiht most powerful group, and are unwillig to stand aside, ultimately they cease to have a place in that society and are deestroyed or something
meanwhile the look both ways topic.. i really regret choosing lbw because my essay so simplistic and yr 7 sounding it was horrible
omg! lol I did Look Both ways as well. looks like we did same parts for the same essays (:
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From my knowledge, in 2003 or 2004 a high percentile of students misread the question for the POV, and could only achieve a maximum of 6.
It'll be interesting as to what they deem to be completely 'misreading' the question or whatever...
Well, the other year the mistake was more major then this year.
If you wrote that children should be protected, you're still sort of addressing whether or not overprotection exists in society. Sort of =)
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Fk yeh, I'm just glad the whole thing is over now. Never again will I do another essay. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Was it just the analysis or the writing task as a whole??
Time management is so important !!! people just don't understand how important it is...
Ahh well...
too true, i'm happy i managed my time well .. give or take 5 mintues, but i finished the exam on time, which was good =]
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Fk yeh, I'm just glad the whole thing is over now. Never again will I do another essay. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
that is an awesome feeling....no more oral presentations either LOL
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Anyone write an analysis on a single opinion piece instead of both?
Or anyone write two part 1 essays, two part 2 essays, or on the same text for both part one and two?
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... If it's "take 5 minutes" then I'm gonna have to report you to VCAA...
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Anyone write an analysis on a single opinion piece instead of both?
Or anyone write two part 1 essays, two part 2 essays, or on the same text for both part one and two?
hahahah that'd be devistating, especially with the two part 1's or two part 2's or the same text thing, as they only correct the first one.
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a maximum of 6?? :(
ah well sigh. goodbye 40+.
did anybody do 1984 or AT?
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From what our teachers told us, i think it was somewhere around 900 students did it last year.
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a maximum of 6?? :(
ah well sigh. goodbye 40+.
did anybody do 1984 or AT?
PoV is worth 20 marks out of 120. (Only 1/6th)
I got a 5.5 / 10 for a section of history last year, and still managed a 38 (marked up to a 40).
There's still hope! :P
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Fk yeh, I'm just glad the whole thing is over now. Never again will I do another essay. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
that is an awesome feeling....no more oral presentations either LOL
Hell yeh thats an even better feeling. Although I felt that quite a while ago with my last oral been in the first week of term 2. :P
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... If it's "take 5 minutes" then I'm gonna have to report you to VCAA...
what does that mean ??
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a maximum of 6?? :(
ah well sigh. goodbye 40+.
did anybody do 1984 or AT?
I did 1984 for Part 1...my arguments were not that strong.... :cry: :cry:
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im so bad with time management last year i did history too only wrote about 1/3 if that of the essay worth 20 marks and pulled a 38 too. how the eff did i manage that. i thought i was headed for a 30, IF that. i also did not study, and sat there bullshting for 80% of the questions. maybe english will surprise me like history*
*unlikely, seeing as finishing english seems to be a lot more important. and i only get lucky with marks once i think
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a maximum of 6?? :(
ah well sigh. goodbye 40+.
did anybody do 1984 or AT?
I made the same mistake as you. doh.. :P
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Anyone notice the tiny screwup with the header of the exam booklet? It says 2007 ENGL EXAM up to page 7, but after that, it says 2006 ENGL EXAM. This confused some people (as well as some of the supervisors), so about half way into it, someone informed us that it was a typo. VCAA and their stupid mistakes (mid-year Physics exam, anyone? :P)
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I hate english
I can't write coherant essays
Yeahhh
I suck at writing essays as well :(
I did Look Both Ways for the Part 1 Text Response and The Quiet American for the Part 2.
But yeah
I'm sooooooooooooo glad it's over
No more English! :D
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a maximum of 6?? :(
ah well sigh. goodbye 40+.
did anybody do 1984 or AT?
I did 1984 for Part 1...my arguments were not that strong.... :cry: :cry:
me too!
was that the Winston's vulnerability one? what arguments did you use?
i basically said in essay form that the question was bullshit :P
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaw.
So long English. You will plague me no more :D .
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaw.
So long English. You will plague me no more :D .
*Can't wait to steal your pwn exam mark as my SAC marks, weeee...*
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaw.
So long English. You will plague me no more :D .
*Can't wait to steal your pwn exam mark as my SAC marks, weeee...*
Lecherous beast :x
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a maximum of 6?? :(
ah well sigh. goodbye 40+.
did anybody do 1984 or AT?
I did 1984 for Part 1...my arguments were not that strong.... :cry: :cry:
me too!
was that the Winston's vulnerability one? what arguments did you use?
i basically said in essay form that the question was bullshit :P
Im so embarrassed about what I wrote in my essay...
I think what I wrote was irrelevant....
I defined vulnerability as being open to something :oops: Like...Winston opening himself up to being against the party... :oops: Ugh...I can't go on anymore.......
*runs away*
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Im so embarrassed about what I wrote in my essay...
I think what I wrote was irrelevant....
I defined vulnerability as being open to something :oops: Like...Winston opening himself up to being against the party... :oops: Ugh...I can't go on anymore.......
*runs away*
awww. i mentioned something like that too .... cept in a slightly different context
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I posted the exam:
After due warning, link removed. Now hosted on FSN.
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No links to that site on here. Sorry. :-/ I'll host it here though... two minutes.
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Wow, surprise surprise, the friggen' site is down.
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Wow, surprise surprise, the friggen' site is down.
No it's not. It's quite fast really.
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Wow, surprise surprise, the friggen' site is down.
actually it's not down.
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My thoughts on the exam
It was a reasonable exam, although the sacrifice question for The Quiet American screwed me over. I tried relating to humans judging morality based on the situation. Anyone else do that?
i tried answering that but read over my work and realised it was a low scoring response look a like. Took one look at the situation and cired on spot XD
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It *was* down when I went to get Toothpick's exam posting. Then it came back up again. It's really hit and miss with that site.
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just realised i spelt instills as enstills :(
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spelin dusnt evan egcist nemoar k?
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spelin dusnt evan egcist nemoar k?
yer, we 1337 spelors dn nd yr rulz
I shouldn't joke, because i'm a terrible at spelling, especially on a keyboard
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spelin dusnt evan egcist nemoar k?
yer, we 1337 spelors dn nd yr rulz
I shouldn't joke, because i'm a terrible at spelling, especially on a keyboard
haha good one =D
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spelin dusnt evan egcist nemoar k?
yer, we 1337 spelors dn nd yr rulz
I shouldn't joke, because i'm a terrible at spelling, especially on a keyboard
in eenglish lenguge we lern dat not al non-standed spelin is baaad - some of et reprasents diff ethnolects/idiolects, sum of da rulz in eenglesh r sily as wel.
Like 2 years ago, half of one of the essay topics was 'how is the language of SMS a valid and important variety of Australian English' (the first half was 2 talk bout da linguistic feetures of sms lingo)
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Well I feel really confident about my exam.
I started with Part 2, knocked over the double analysis in 4 pages in about 35 minutes, then did the speech in 25 which was 2 pages.
Part 1 essay of Minimum of Two was a good topic. I've read and planned numerous topics like it before.
Part 2 essay of I'm Not Scared was complete shit and deserves to die. But I think I did it okay. It will be my worst section though.
Overall I'm pretty happy with the exam. The issues section was generous, as the pieces were nice, and the inclusion of speech and letter to the editor was very nice of mister VCAA.
Hey Freitag, I think you made a mistake in your sig scores
Rebel Nerd got 41 -so surely you must have got 40 :?: :?:
:?:
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I didn't do it myself (or I don't think so anyway :shock: ) but what is the go if one uses the wrong coloured booklet for the text responses.
Is it a case of tough luck or (being the kind mates, that they are at the VCAA) do they try and match things up for you and mark it then?
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did anyone else do Look Both Ways for part 2?? i did and i put meryls relationship with work as part of a relationship tht holds power over her life - was tht a good or bad idea do u think?
silly me... can't rejoice like everyone else is, cos i do Lit as well *groans* how i wish id done Philosophy... :shock:
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Did anyone hear the rumour on the radio that the exam was available on the Internet last night?
Since when is talkback radio a credible source of information?
I did Lantana part 1 and Kitey for part 2 (about 5.5 pages each). Can't remember how much I wrote for lang. analysis around 4 pages I think, and I did the letter to ed. for POV, around 2 pages.
LOL, there was a spider in our exam room - they said people could ask for extra writing time if they felt "their concentration had been comprimised by the presence of the spider"....babies
LOL WTF How big was it?
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I didn't do it myself (or I don't think so anyway :shock: ) but what is the go if one uses the wrong coloured booklet for the text responses.
Is it a case of tough luck or (being the kind mates, that they are at the VCAA) do they try and match things up for you and mark it then?
knowing VCAA ... it'd be tough luck ... i dont think theyd go thru that many script books just to find the one you accidentally wrote in
thatd be the worst thing to happen
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i think i bombed out as well... i couldn't sleep last night so i didn't really have a clear head throughout the entire exam (i don't know why... my mind just seemed to freeze and i couldn't get arguments out)... it took me a while to warm up into the exam.
i think that my scores were probably
pov 5
analysis 8
mot 15
lbw 17
what would that get me? i think i've got a 167/200 for sacs too. hopefully a 38ish?
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talking of annoying things - after giving us this MASSIVELY long spiel about the EVILS OF HAVING A MOBILE PHONE in the exam... the examiner's phone rang four times.
HYPOCRITE OR WHAT?
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THE EXAMINER WAS AN IRRITATING BITCH. SHE CAME OVER AND STARTED LECTURING WITH BAD BREATH FOR 5 PRECIOUS MINUTES (THATS ENOUGH FOR 1 PARAGRAPH IN POV) COZ I BROUGHT A CLOCK AND KEPT TELLING ME TO HAVE IT HORIZONTAL, AS WELL AS SOME IRRELEVANT MUMBLINGS THAT I COULDNT UNDERSTAND. THAT ANNOYING BITCH DISRUPTED MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT AND I HAD TO WASTE AN EXTRA MINUTE TRYING TO RECUPERATE!
that's my rant.
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our examiner person kept changing every 30 mins or so ... one time a lady came in and started telling off really loudly the guy who was in charge at that time :roll: damn annoying examiners
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talking of annoying things - after giving us this MASSIVELY long spiel about the EVILS OF HAVING A MOBILE PHONE in the exam... the examiner's phone rang four times.
HYPOCRITE OR WHAT?
bullshit, i would have complained asked for extra time and given them a peice of my mind...
thats a joke..
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and on top of the damn phone, they spent forEVER reading out the rules and then realised at the end that they were the rules for the GAT and had to start over *groaaaaan*
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omg and they wasted 5 precious minutes asking us to write our student numbers. DO IT BEFORE READING TIME DAMN YOU WENCHES.
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hmm our examiners were really nice compared to what you guys have mentioned.
i think they gave us extra time, cos we started at 9:02 but we finished around 12:21/22
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Anyone write on Part 1 Lantana?
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we got told by one examiner to write the student numbers in before the exam started but some ppl got yelld at by an examiner for doing it who had come in late and missed the announcement.
its prbly cos i live in such a small town lol
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hmm our examiners were really nice compared to what you guys have mentioned.
i think they gave us extra time, cos we started at 9:02 but we finished around 12:21/22
We started like 9.25 and finished at 12.40. I continued checking over my stuff till like 12.45, really pissed off the watchers. Especially since I hadn't written any of the necessary things on my script booklet too, student number etc.
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Well well done to everyone,
I did Hamlet PT1 and The Quiet American PT2 and was pretty happy with the questions provided, was a bit worried Hamlet PT1 might be about women in the play, if it was I was screwed.
I wrote 4 pages for Hamlet and 3 1/2 for TQA but I have small writing. I kind of winged it on the Analaysis and bullshitted on it, the speech was a bit tricky also.. ah well.
I'm hoping 16/20 for both text 6/7 for speech and probably 5 for analysis.
Just take comfort in the fact that a quarter, if not half the state are dead beats and I presume if you are a member of this board you are somewhat intelligent.[/url]
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Just take comfort in the fact that a quarter, if not half the state are dead beats and I presume if you are a member of this board you are somewhat intelligent.
Lolz :P
I'm intelligent in everything except for English :(
If I get a bad score in English but a really good score in everything else, is it still possible to get an ENTER above 87?
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Just take comfort in the fact that a quarter, if not half the state are dead beats and I presume if you are a member of this board you are somewhat intelligent.
Lolz :P
I'm intelligent in everything except for English :(
If I get a bad score in English but a really good score in everything else, is it still possible to get an ENTER above 87?
To get an ENTER of 87 you need an aggregate of about 156... if you got a 28 in English (the state average) then you would need your other three study scores to be each 43. So yeah, it's possible. :)
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I actually found the analysis really easy, pity i didn't read the POV properly though! The texts were okay I did Part 1 LBW and Part 2 a man for all
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Glad it's over but disappointed at my performance.
I did Hamlet Part 1 and TQA Part 2.
The questions weren't particularly difficult but the TQA part 2 had me stumped for a while. 3.5 pages
Hamlet was good and the topic I felt was interesting. 4.5 pages
Analysis 2.5 pages
Opinion 1.5 pages
Hoping for the best, expecting the worst hehe.
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i think the language analysis was so stupid. they made it ridiculously easy, there were persuasive devices galore! Usually vcaa makes it hard but this year was a joke.
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hmm our examiners were really nice compared to what you guys have mentioned.
i think they gave us extra time, cos we started at 9:02 but we finished around 12:21/22
We started like 9.25 and finished at 12.40. I continued checking over my stuff till like 12.45, really pissed off the watchers. Especially since I hadn't written any of the necessary things on my script booklet too, student number etc.
i planned to do that, but my exam supervisers were too experienced, just after writing time begun, they forced me to write down the student numbers, and one watcher came right next to my table to make sure i filled everything in all 3 booklets, those tedious old fools!!
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omg and they wasted 5 precious minutes asking us to write our student numbers. DO IT BEFORE READING TIME DAMN YOU WENCHES.
i can't agree more!
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In terms of the persuasive piece, I'm abit worried as to whether I actually gave what they were asking for.
I did the letter to the editor and was an adolescent psychologist.
I claimed that current overparenting is ever prevalent and its tendencies will be to the detriment of children.
My body paragraphs consisted of:
*It disenables kids from experiencing the world and delays their ability to confront challenges which appear at every turn of their lives.
*It leads to a lack of responsibility
*It could lead to problems such anti social behaviours and medical conditions such a social anxiety.
I then concluded that governments should implement training programs for parents to endow them with the knowledge to best deal with children in today's modern age.
Is that answering the question?? I really hope so lol
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i think the language analysis was so stupid. they made it ridiculously easy, there were persuasive devices galore! Usually vcaa makes it hard but this year was a joke.
agreed.
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hi all
part 1 was a bit dodgy for me, have never been a fantastic writer on those
part 2 was a much more structured question, i rather enjoyed it
as for the writing task, their was so much to write on and so little time
i still managed to waffle 4 pages for it, but had a massive hand cramp after
as for the letter to the editor; it is confusing as to what persona we were meant to write as
it states "expressing your view on wether we are overprotected"
i took the "we" as us as teenagers, or maybe i was wrong
who really knows
i just want a 25 that's all
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hi all
part 1 was a bit dodgy for me, have never been a fantastic writer on those
part 2 was a much more structured question, i rather enjoyed it
as for the writing task, their was so much to write on and so little time
i still managed to waffle 4 pages for it, but had a massive hand cramp after
as for the letter to the editor; it is confusing as to what persona we were meant to write as
it states "expressing your view on wether we are overprotected"
i took the "we" as us as teenagers, or maybe i was wrong
who really knows
i just want a 25 that's all
you're allowed to take on whatever persona you wish, as long as you do it properly.
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Fark, I spent too long on the writing task.
Wrote 6 pages for my analysis and 3.5 for my POV
Then I felt as if I was rushed for time and completely blanked out on my TR's.
Only wrote about a page and a half on each and couldn't for the life of me get anything more out of my numb brain.
Spent the last 20 minutes drifting in and out of sleep as our school wouldn't let us leave the exam early.
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part 1 - Romulus my father 3pages
Part 2- Generals die in bed 2.5 pages
Analysis- 2.5 pages
P.O.V- 2.5 pages
It was a pretty good paper and not as bad as i expected, now im hoping to get over 30 raw for english so i can prove my teacher wrong. hehe
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man, comparing our supervisors to most of yours makes me feel so gratefull. they dont even know the difference between their ass and their heads.lol
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man, comparing our supervisors to most of yours makes me feel so gratefull. they dont even know the difference between their ass and their heads.lol
Lol funny...
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
yea mine wasnt exactly the best
i was pretty stuck
so just ended up blabbing
lol
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
yea mine wasnt exactly the best
i was pretty stuck
so just ended up blabbing
lol
I think i spoke about honesty instead of emotional honesty :P haha
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those Lantana questions looked really hard! im glad i didn't do it after all :P
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those Lantana questions looked really hard! im glad i didn't do it after all :P
The first one was easy, but i choose to do the part 2 essay, because AT had a hard part 2 lol
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omg and they wasted 5 precious minutes asking us to write our student numbers. DO IT BEFORE READING TIME DAMN YOU WENCHES.
lol u go to jacks yeah? i saw u on his myspace bahahaa
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those Lantana questions looked really hard! im glad i didn't do it after all :P
The first one was easy, but i choose to do the part 2 essay, because AT had a hard part 2 lol
yeah, i did AT part 2, fluffed it up cos i had no idea what i was saying :P
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
yea mine wasnt exactly the best
i was pretty stuck
so just ended up blabbing
lol
I think i spoke about honesty instead of emotional honesty :P haha
haha yea same as me
i dunno what i was on about
oh well
im glad its over
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
yea mine wasnt exactly the best
i was pretty stuck
so just ended up blabbing
lol
I think i spoke about honesty instead of emotional honesty :P haha
haha yea same as me
i dunno what i was on about
oh well
im glad its over
Lol same...
I think we were supposed to say how it's more important to be honest about your emotions, than it is to try to be strong and hide them...
Oh well
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
yea mine wasnt exactly the best
i was pretty stuck
so just ended up blabbing
lol
I think i spoke about honesty instead of emotional honesty :P haha
haha yea same as me
i dunno what i was on about
oh well
im glad its over
Lol same...
I think we were supposed to say how it's more important to be honest about your emotions, than it is to try to be strong and hide them...
Oh well
You guys love quote chains.
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Yeah we do :)
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haha yea
we have nothing better to do other than quote chains
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
yea mine wasnt exactly the best
i was pretty stuck
so just ended up blabbing
lol
I think i spoke about honesty instead of emotional honesty :P haha
i wrote on part2 lantana cos i had no choice, its damn dodgy question
wtf is the difference between honesty and emotional honesty??
and wtf is emotional strength?
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i was just curious if anyone wrote on part 1 TQA and part 2 Lantana
if so what did you guys include
Oh I did Lantana Part 2... i may have done it wrong though lol ...
yea mine wasnt exactly the best
i was pretty stuck
so just ended up blabbing
lol
I think i spoke about honesty instead of emotional honesty :P haha
i wrote on part2 lantana cos i had no choice, its damn dodgy question
wtf is the difference between honesty and emotional honesty??
and wtf is emotional strength?
I think by emotional honesty they meant like being open and honest about your emotions... as for emotional strength, they meant something like how strong you are emotionally (or like hiding your emotions in a way)
Hope that makes sense, it's probably wrong though lol
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I think emotional strength is stuff like being able to admit you're wrong, being able to deal with things emotionally (which Leon can't do) .... as opposed to physical strength i.e. macho men with big muscles.
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I think emotional strength is stuff like being able to admit you're wrong, being able to deal with things emotionally (which Leon can't do) .... as opposed to physical strength i.e. macho men with big muscles.
Oh Lol my bad :P
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oh Odette I wasn't saying you're wrong. I was just adding to what you said :P
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Can anyone remember whether the part 1 text response booklet was yellow of purple????
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purple - part one
beige- part two
red - writing task
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I think emotional strength is stuff like being able to admit you're wrong, being able to deal with things emotionally (which Leon can't do) .... as opposed to physical strength i.e. macho men with big muscles.
arghh shit i gave leon as the example of a person with emotional strength
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purple - part one
beige- part two
red - writing task
they didnt have beige
it was bright yellow
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We had beige lol .. :P
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purple - part one
beige- part two
red - writing task
they didnt have beige
it was bright yellow
Oh okay, lol!
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yeh ours were bright yellow too, when i saw it i was thinking er that is NOT beige hahah
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they didnt have beige
it was bright yellow
they called it beige. even tho yes, it was CLEARLY yellow. pfft at VCAA
also you're not wrong in saying Leon has emotional strength, because he does by the end of the film, he learns to deal with his emotions and with the consequences of his actions, and he learns to cry (whereas before he believed that men shouldn't)
relax :)
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on the whole 'yellow/beige' thing... ours was bright yellow, and some chick behind me goes 'what colour is beige? is that this red one?' and someone goes 'no, biege is the purple one'
and im thinking 'u got to yr12 HOW?!'
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on the whole 'yellow/beige' thing... ours was bright yellow, and some chick behind me goes 'what colour is beige? is that this red one?' and someone goes 'no, biege is the purple one'
and im thinking 'u got to yr12 HOW?!'
lol, what noobs??
re: the part 2 latana topic, i just read that and was like umm, wtf is te difference? is emotional honesty any different from regular honesty?
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re: the part 2 latana topic, i just read that and was like umm, wtf is te difference? is emotional honesty any different from regular honesty?
"Isn't it honest?"
"Not emotionally it isn't"
Doesn't that imply there is a difference? at least to sonja anyway. I don't actually know the question btw
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re: the part 2 latana topic, i just read that and was like umm, wtf is te difference? is emotional honesty any different from regular honesty?
"Isn't it honest?"
"Not emotionally it isn't"
Doesn't that imply there is a difference? at least to sonja anyway. I don't actually know the question btw
Question was something like Lantana shows that emotional honesty is more important than emotional strength. Discuss
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Question was something like Lantana shows that emotional honesty is more important than emotional strength. Discuss
oh. So they have obviously taken 'emotional strength' to mean Leon's macho exterior of not showing his emotions, whilst emotional honesty would mean showing his emotions like sonya wants him to? And then the same with John and Valerie.
Although I would have first thought that emotional strength would be someone who can handle tough times, which Leon and John struggle to do precisely because they can't show their emotions. hm weird
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Question was something like Lantana shows that emotional honesty is more important than emotional strength. Discuss
oh. So they have obviously taken 'emotional strength' to mean Leon's macho exterior of not showing his emotions, whilst emotional honesty would mean showing his emotions like sonya wants him to? And then the same with John and Valerie.
Although I would have first thought that emotional strength would be someone who can handle tough times, which Leon and John struggle to do precisely because they can't show their emotions. hm weird
Lol i thought emotional strength was not showing emotion... and emotional honesty was someone who could express their emotions openly... but i probably was wrong lol
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Lol i thought emotional strength was not showing emotion... and emotional honesty was someone who could express their emotions openly...
isn't that what I just said?? :?
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Lol i thought emotional strength was not showing emotion... and emotional honesty was someone who could express their emotions openly...
isn't that what I just said?? :?
Lol i think so... sorry :cry:
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haha i just meant, i wasn't trying to say you were wrong, i was agreeing with you lol
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haha i just meant, i wasn't trying to say you were wrong, i was agreeing with you lol
Ok.. :oops:
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I did that...
TQA pt.1, Lantana Pt.2
TQA went fabulously well, as did the analysis and POV.
But Lantana Pt.2...
Disjointed crap. Absolute crap.
I decided that Emotional Strength was aka Leon, in the beginning being all strong and not showing emotion (like when he hits the mystery man, and confesses to Pete in the urinal)
Emotional Honesty was the ability to be emotional aka Nik.
Direct contrasts, I thought. Three paragraphs, each talking about the characteristics of both areas and then a contrast paragraph.
I don't know. I decided on quote spamming to get me through. it looks tacky, but hey! textual evidence always wins.
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Hi all, I've been lurking around this site for a while but I've finally bothered to create an account. :D
I'm reasonably happy with how I went, but I'm wondering whether if a conclusion is necessary for my analysis because I left it out...
I'm also a bit worried that my essays may have been on the short side, since none of my writing pieces exceeded two pages (although my writing is quite small and I can fit 300-400 words onto a page). :?
I did Lantana Part 1 and 1984 for part two.
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I'm reasonably happy with how I went, but I'm wondering whether if a conclusion is necessary for my analysis because I left it out...
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dont really need one, look at assessment reports, the high scoring analysis dont have one (some of them)
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I'm reasonably happy with how I went, but I'm wondering whether if a conclusion is necessary for my analysis because I left it out...
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dont really need one, look at assessment reports, the high scoring analysis dont have one (some of them)
what about comparisons?
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I'm reasonably happy with how I went, but I'm wondering whether if a conclusion is necessary for my analysis because I left it out...
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dont really need one, look at assessment reports, the high scoring analysis dont have one (some of them)
what about comparisons?
what about them?
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Every examiner I've heard has said that comparisons are not required in analyses.
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Don't think conclusion is necessary according to my teacher. I felt it bore some resemblance to one of the ones in previous years with the principal and the parents on the issue of mobile phones. One uses their authoritative position and the other uses a more emotive approach.
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Every examiner I've heard has said that comparisons are not required in analyses.
ah well ive been told the higher range responses do include a comparison..i assume it shows a more detailed understanding of techniques used....well ive practiced with comparing so i made an attempt to do that on teh exam.
but no matter if no one else thinks much of it
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Did anyone attempt the A Man for All Seasons part 1? I thought it wasn't too hard.
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Yeh I stupidly wrote in the wrong booklet even though they told us twice lol...the lady told me to just write the correct task on the front
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Every examiner I've heard has said that comparisons are not required in analyses.
ah well ive been told the higher range responses do include a comparison..i assume it shows a more detailed understanding of techniques used....well ive practiced with comparing so i made an attempt to do that on teh exam.
but no matter if no one else thinks much of it
What I assumed they meant by a comparison was just a little teeny sentence in the middle of the analysis, between the two articles, where you just go, 'conversely, the response employs an emotive argument' (ie in contrast to the scathing tone of the opinion article).
Hello there. Yay english is over. (Hello lit.)
I did Quiet American part 1, and The Plague part 2. Fun. Actually, the topics were okay.
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When i walked into the exam room the clock was 1 hour and a half out. We started at 9:20 and the intervals were 9:15-9:30-9:45. I had to guess the time in the exam. I asked the people to put more detailed intervals that were centered on the time we actually started, they didnt understand. Half of the year got to see another clock, yet i was at the front. I'm the only one to complain because i am the only one who was going to go well in the front half of the room and who actually uses a clock... Others got to see the proper clock. I was aiming for 45+ and was shattered by my schools negligence. Couldn't plan properlly, had no idea when i should stop writing issues. I still finished, yet am so dissapointed and angry. A year of preperation 25+ essays for that shit to happen...
Kind of put me off for the rest of my exams, further went fine tho. Anyone else get the dummy path question wrong, only one for me i think.
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lol... buy a watch
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lol... buy a watch
Haha..true :P
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I'm made sure I brought a watch in with me just in case cos they only ever have one clock in our exams and I remember I couldn't see it in the gat....in the end I was sitting right in front of it hahah
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i think he meant, the intervals they write on the board
you know how they right up each 15 minute gap then cross them off as htey pass by
so that you know how lnog till the end
but he couldnt see the clock and the intervals were really far apart, so he had a hard time guaging how long before he had to finish part 1/part 2 etc...
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I can't wait to get rid of English next year.
Even though i kind of like it.