ATAR Notes: Forum
VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: nosuperstar on November 07, 2012, 08:18:45 pm
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I never know how to start threads, haha.
Well, the school I attend is pretty average, I don't live in a rich area or anything like that, if any of you are aware of the term 'bogan', well, my school is in a bogan suburb, the people in my year level are relatively average despite those one or two high achievers.
In comparison to those high achievers though, their SS and ATAR aims appear to be way lower than mine, and when i've told people my aims, i've just been laughed at, and straight in my face, all of them have told me my aims are impossible, that the people in our year will bring our marks down, the averages for our school are low, making it impossible for me to achieve my aim.
The amount of people that have shot me and my expectations down have really lowered my confidence in trying my best to get high grades, just today, my friend told me 'You realise getting a 98 puts you in the top 2% of the state, really, you? I don't see that happening'.
I see alot of high achievers here on AN who i'm quite envious of and am quite inspired by though, but I don't even think anyone has ever gotten a 99 or anything close to a perfect score at my school, is this in itself evident that I should have lower expectations, or any recommendations on how to gain my confidence back?
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If you place yourself Rank 1 in most of your subjects then you will be unaffected by others therefore you have a better chance of getting the ATAR you want. Use people self-doubt and them laughing at you for to aim for your own goals as a source of motivation to prove those that you can do what they thought you couldn't. You shouldn't lower your expectations for anyone just because someone said you couldn't do it or your school has low expectations but rather to expectations that you can realistically achieve if you work really hard throughout the year. I know there will be people at your school who generally don't give a s*** about their ATAR or how they go throughout the year and just merely to complete year 12 and this can serve as de-motivation as I know that feeling as this applies for me as at my school is around about the same but just try keep your hopes and faith up it may be hard but try as much as possible!
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I never know how to start threads, haha.
Well, the school I attend is pretty average, I don't live in a rich area or anything like that, if any of you are aware of the term 'bogan', well, my school is in a bogan suburb, the people in my year level are relatively average despite those one or two high achievers.
In comparison to those high achievers though, their SS and ATAR aims appear to be way lower than mine, and when i've told people my aims, i've just been laughed at, and straight in my face, all of them have told me my aims are impossible, that the people in our year will bring our marks down, the averages for our school are low, making it impossible for me to achieve my aim.
The amount of people that have shot me and my expectations down have really lowered my confidence in trying my best to get high grades, just today, my friend told me 'You realise getting a 98 puts you in the top 2% of the state, really, you? I don't see that happening'.
I see alot of high achievers here on AN who i'm quite envious of and am quite inspired by though, but I don't even think anyone has ever gotten a 99 or anything close to a perfect score at my school, is this in itself evident that I should have lower expectations, or any recommendations on how to gain my confidence back?
I'm in a similar position to you as well. My school is under represented.
The people who doubt me are generally the smart ones which makes it a little worse. But when ever your friend says stuff like 'You realise getting a 98 puts you in the top 2% of the state, really, you? I don't see that happening." use it as fuel to prove those suckers wrong.
And you know what I've realised? As much as it is cheesy to say, AN is also like a second school to me.. People have great ambitions that I can share and relate to, and that'll push you further.. You may come back from school, down because of what this said friend claims, but you can come back here, knowing that there are people, who aspire to achieve as high just like you around here.
Bottom line is.. Deep inside, you know your true ability, no one else does. Your teacher, your parents and maybe your friends, will look at your SAC results, reports, exams etc, and tell you what you will probably achieve (which is a great guideline) but you know your capabilities and what you can achieve so don't let others alter your goals and most importantly, question your abilities.
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(Hopefully this made sense)
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I generally make them feel worse about their aims if they do it too me.
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You say "fuck you", get the ATAR you've always wanted, and then go back and rub it in their faces.
Life's too short to have people be negative, doubt you and say bad things about you - you know your own abilities and you know what you're capable of, don't let any stupid person say otherwise.
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First of all I think that it is despicable for those people to doubt you like that. How dare they claim to know whether or not you can achieve those Study Scores and that ATAR score. And to be honest, I don't just think you can do it, I along with everyone else on AN knows that the key to getting a good score is studying, and if you do enough of it, the reward will come your way, regardless of where your school is situated. Also, I think it highly likely that the people who are issuing these put-downs are people who are intimidated by your ambitions, and are envious of you for trying to achieve something worthwhile.
In addition, and this was noted above, if you are rank 1 in all your subjects (this is something that is in your control), then the scores of others will not negatively impact you. If you ranked first in all your subjects, you will get the best exam score at your school for that subject as your SAC mark, so once again it is all up to you killing the exams. So, to summarize, you absolutely can do it, and I think you'll find throughout life that people who are quick to doubt others do so because of their own inadequacy.
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I have heard of people from "bogan" schools getting ATAR's in the 99's and even perfect scores. Anything is possible if you put in the hard work, get that rank 1, and do well on the exams
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I have heard of people from "bogan" schools getting ATAR's in the 99's and even perfect scores. Anything is possible if you put in the hard work, get that rank 1, and do well on the exams
The very reason why I chose mine. It's not the school, it's the students. The teachers aren't not willing to teach, the students aren't willing to learn.
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IMO VCE is about commitment if you work hard you will see results.
The school you go to doesn't affect you if you put in the hard yards and work to achieve your goals.
In the end it is your ATAR score no one else's. If i were you i'd use what they tell you as a fuel for your motivation.
I mean just imagine the surprise that they would feel when you do achieve that 98 ATAR!
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Never give up hope! I did VCE at TAFE and got over 98. Yeah, there were a lot of people who didn't give a crap about study, but me and a few others studied hard and got good scores. It can be done!
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I have heard of people from "bogan" schools getting ATAR's in the 99's and even perfect scores. Anything is possible if you put in the hard work, get that rank 1, and do well on the exams
The very reason why I chose mine. It's not the school, it's the students. The teachers aren't not willing to teach, the students aren't willing to learn.
Even at good schools (like mine), some of the teachers aren't great. But I guess the learning environment is really encouraging because everyone is trying to achieve a really good score.
As long you keep reminding yourself of your own goals, you will achieve a good score, and may even drag some of your friends who may not have the enthusiasm to study, to get better scores than they aimed for
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I love all of you's more than you will ever know! I want to cry! :'(
@Dejan -
I'm currently rank 1 in majority of my subjects except english, which I aim to greatly improve on next year.
Yes, alot of people at my school are doing year 12 simply for the pass but I don't know if people are actually going to pick up their game, or just continue to stuff around like this year, being surrounded by those types of people can be frustrating alot of the time.
Thankyou! This has definitely made me think of all the doubt in a different manner, I really would love to prove everyone wrong in the end.
@Kesh-
Yes, my friend who said the top 2% thing is a smart kid, this was all discussed after he finished his methods exam, which made me feel much worse about my aims as he's doing harder subjects than me.
YOU SEE IT THE SAME WAY AS ME! I agree 100%, I was lost on what path I wanted to take for next year and beyond, but all the people on AN really encouraged me because like myself, everyone here is interested in actually discussing school, VCE and university, and I was able to steer myself in the right direction, knowing that the high achievers are actually really cool people and they do exist and have the time to talk to you and help you out. I'm really glad that this website is available, it's such a big benefit to me, everyone here goes through the same thing and it's the opinions of everyone here that really matter to me.
Glad to know i'm not alone on this thought, thankyou!!!
@Cai_ -
I tried, but, they just put me down more, so I gave up and took the beating. :'(
@VILPQ -
I'll try not to, in reality, i'd love not to surround myself by those sort of people, but I haven't got too many friends, sad life, I know.
@Will T -
Will T, you make me want to cry, you kind soul.
I really wish that's the way it is, that their intimidated, I don't wish to intimidate everyone, I just never thought that aiming high was seen to be such a crime.
There's one subject which i'm kind of equal for rank 1 with someone, does being ranked 2nd mean everyone elses marks effect me at that position?
@BoredSaint -
really? woah, why does my school suck so much!
@Kesh -
I agree with this so much, the teachers at my school even made it clear, 'your doing post compulsory learning, so you should be taking the initiative to teach yourself', I was absolutely shocked when I heard this, I think the lack of effort the teachers are willing to put in really reflects on the students in the end.
@WonderBunny -
Tafe at VCE sounds so cool! Sounds like it would also be much easier to concentrate on your studies, no high school drama to act as a distraction!
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Perfect example, again, of an incompetent public schooling system, please don't let me get started, I could write an essay on the rubbish standard of some of the schools in Australia, which is supposed to be one of the most highly educated nations in the world.
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Tbh the best thing you can do is to get the score and then get a big sign and write
"Fuck you all, you pricks
Take a look at me now lol
I told you I could"
This is also a haiku.
Don't let you get them down. One of the Nat Mods on AN, he went to a school that had only been open for 2 years when he graduated. The year before he graduated his school was one of the worst in the states in terms of results, a 24 median or something like that. He graduated with a 99.65. The only limits you have are the ones you set on yourself.
Everyone doubting you can go and get fucked, to put it politely.
Last year, I almost failed VCE. (Failed a subject, as you can see). I was literally the worst student in the year level. I barely went to school. I didn't take any math subject in year 11 and in year 10 I told my math teacher "I will never do math after this year so I'm not going to do any work." I read novels in English (totally unrelated to the course) and you don't even want to know about the other subjects. Point of story, I am the last person you would expect to graduate let alone get a high ATAR. My aims weren't as extreme as yours, I just wanted a 90. The only subject I took this year that I did units one and two for was English. When I told everyone I was going to get it everyone laughed, as you can imagine. One year later, no one is laughing.
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Perfect example, again, of an incompetent public schooling system, please don't let me get started, I could write an essay on the rubbish standard of some of the schools in Australia, which is supposed to be one of the most highly educated nations in the world.
This guy..
Here's hoping that in the future you go to teach at a poor public school and help the kids there :D
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@nosuperstar- Don't cry, don't let this get you down if you let get you down it may keep you there for good so cheer up and break away from any tears and become positive about the situation. That's good, keep it up and try as best as you possibly within your own abilities and trust me your dreams will become a reality. The exact situation at my school there a few people that don't care but these people are the one's that didn't get really great SAC's scores however the situation can be differ at your school, I know how you feel 100%, I am generally the person who really really cared about my education and what ATAR I scored more than anything else but my mates were different and also most people at my school really wanted to get the year over and done with so they can go out clubbing etc, they necessarily didn't really discuss their SAC results or how they were going really, people really just did their own thing as they weren't interested about it tbh. This pissed me off quite alot but I never told anyone like it's something I shouldn't complain but it made me feel like no one cared at all which brings the feeling in the sense that I shouldn't care either and strive to do well as it didn't bring the element competitiveness of VCE which can serve as a purpose to beat others as others aim to do as well as you want. That's good to know that these responses has changed your views and how you are going about it. I honestly wish you all the best in that you can prove everyone wrong as I feel it would be a huge disappointment and make me quite pissed that people of your school doubted you in your abilities to do well and weren't being supportive or at least encouraging ><
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Stopped reading the rest of this thread after the first couple of posts because it all turns into the same shit 'reach for the stars' 'don't listen to them' etc.
The only advice I would give you is to suck it up, surround yourself with positive thinkers and ensure the goals you have set for yourself are attainable ( in your mind ) if they are, you have no reason to take into account what anyone else says and it shouldn't affect you in the slightest.
Also, you don't necessarily have to rub it back in their faces if you do do well as many others have suggested. That would only prove that you still rely on them to be satisfied with yourself and then you really wouldn't have gotten anywhere...
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Also, you don't necessarily have to rub it back in their faces if you do do well as many others have suggested. That would only prove that you still rely on them to be satisfied with yourself and then you really wouldn't have gotten anywhere...
Nah no way, your level of satisfaction would just increase tenfold. Defs rub it in their faces.
Edit. Kid does have a point though. You could be all moral and stuff. Or you could just revel etc
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Also, you don't necessarily have to rub it back in their faces if you do do well as many others have suggested. That would only prove that you still rely on them to be satisfied with yourself and then you really wouldn't have gotten anywhere...
Nah no way, your level of satisfaction would just increase tenfold. Defs rub it in their faces.
Or do that
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Who cares about them. They aren't your prospective employers, they have no relevance in your life, they shouldn't really matter. Be strong and brave. You will be able to get a high ATAR if you strive for it and work hard. I had a teacher once told I'll just be the class clown for the rest of my life and told me I was going to fail the eighth grade. It really got to me at that time but I realized what he said wasn't true. I managed to Pass Year 12 and I am content with it. These people are not worth your tears, trust me. They will have none or little relevance in your life in the future.
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Last year, I almost failed VCE. (Failed a subject, as you can see). I was literally the worst student in the year level. I barely went to school. I didn't take any math subject in year 11 and in year 10 I told my math teacher "I will never do math after this year so I'm not going to do any work." I read novels in English (totally unrelated to the course) and you don't even want to know about the other subjects. Point of story, I am the last person you would expect to graduate let alone get a high ATAR. My aims weren't as extreme as yours, I just wanted a 90. The only subject I took this year that I did units one and two for was English. When I told everyone I was going to get it everyone laughed, as you can imagine. One year later, no one is laughing.
Funny you should say this, I was talking about you, or that position you were in. While I'm not in such an extreme position as you were, I'm not performing/studying at the level I should be to achieving my goals in year 12. So anyway, I mention things to my friends like, 'there are people who can transform their academic abilities when they go from Year 11 to Year 12' , but they would reply with things like, 'and you're gonna be one of them are you?'..
While what they're implying may be true, their intentions aren't to be 'realistic', but to put you down. Sometimes it does hit even me pretty hard, but now I've learnt not to care!
@nosuperstar
We do think alike! As many people have said, do your best to keep up the first rank and you'll be sure to get that goal of yours!
If I manage to exceed their expectations of me, I'll present my score on a paper with a Smug Victory Face.
Like this
imagine it with a piece of paper saying 95 or something :D
(http://darklydefending.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/tumblr_lnwy9d0X5u1qh2mpqo1_500.gif)
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Guys, yet again BRILLIANT support work. This is amazing.
@nosuperstar, I have nothing to add - but I echo the sentiments of the others here in the thread.
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I went to an average/alright public school. Most of the teachers were great but some were a bit eehh, there were a small group of students who wanted and had potential to do well, a larger population who only wanted to get into uni and a small population who didn't care at all. The middle band students, probably didn't care too much about school unless it were for major sacs/exams but I don't think anyway ever doubted anyone elses goals. Most of us respected others' goals and aspirations. My advice is probably stick with the people who have big goals, who care about education, who want to go somewhere in life and be someone. Big goals get big results, provided you work at it and give it your best shot. I had an ATAR goal in mind all the way through year 12, did everything I could to attain it. In the end I got it! People may say oh wow you're aiming for a 90+,95+,97+,99+ ATAR that's going to be insanely hard and so on, but don't let that drag you down. It's only a number, someone has to achieve that certain ATAR score whether it's a 99.95, 99.90, 96.40, 90.50, 80.70, 75,00... you get the picture. Pencil in your name for one of the numbers and go for gold. If you set a high goal and miss out marginally, so what you would still have achieved a great score!
Honestly, if one of my friend's questioned my ability to achieve a certain score, I would question my friendship with them.
Impossible is nothing.
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I thought I would share my experiences with this type of stuff:
I don't go to a "bad" school, but moreso a school that is focused on sport. The academic side of my school is increasing as more and more of us strive to be better students and higher achievers, however there are still those who are bad influences. Now, as you can imagine, a lot of people look down upon those who try and those who actually take classes seriously. In year 10, I didn't care about certain subjects. I didn't care about math. I said to myself, like Brenden, that I would never do a math subject ever again and that I wouldn't have any chance at surviving a science, technology or math subject in the near future. All through Year 11, I essentially failed math, but the transition between Year 11 and Year 12 is enormous. I told myself at the start of this (even at the end of last year) that I will do well. Not that I will simply pass, I will do well. So, coming from a background of failing every sac, test, quiz in math, i didn't fall below an A all year. Yeah I don't do Methods or Specialist, but if I tried i'm sure I could. There were people telling me i'm going to fail math and i'm an idiot for choosing it, but everything is achievable when you put your mind to it. I told my friends that I am not going to get less than an A+ in English, Studio Art and Software Development. They all laughed in my face. Finishing up all my sacs, I didn't drop below 88% in any subject this year, and those three subjects I didn't drop below A+. People shouldn't bring you down, just stand up and say I will and leave them to worry about their own problems. They might not care about school or achieving, but that shouldn't influence you to do that same. So if you want a 98, you get a 98.
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You say "fuck you", get the ATAR you've always wanted, and then go back and rub it in their faces.
Life's too short to have people be negative, doubt you and say bad things about you - you know your own abilities and you know what you're capable of, don't let any stupid person say otherwise.
Agreed with this except for the 'rub it in their faces' part. No need to sink to their level.
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Funny you should say this, I was talking about you, or that position you were in. While I'm not in such an extreme position as you were, I'm not performing/studying at the level I should be to achieving my goals in year 12. So anyway, I mention things to my friends like, 'there are people who can transform their academic abilities when they go from Year 11 to Year 12' , but they would reply with things like, 'and you're gonna be one of them are you?'..
While what they're implying may be true, their intentions aren't to be 'realistic', but to put you down. Sometimes it does hit even me pretty hard, but now I've learnt not to care!
Year 12 is an effort game.There's a line between your academic capabilities and what you are achieving. If you say you're going to be one of them, I believe you. Year 12 is drastic, it changes you in ways you wouldn't expect. At the start, unless you're a sped, it just hits you in the face "woah... my last year... this isn't S or N anymore... I need to try". I had no reason to try in Year 11, especially because I took stupid as subjects (HHD, Bus Man, and then I took Legal Unit 2 and Unit 4 synonymously) so I could pass without doing anything. This year though, on the holidays I started getting really aggressive about asylum seekers' rights and decided I wanted to do Arts and then the JD so I'd need a huge score. Whilst they were surprised, the faith and point blank amazingness of my teachers shocked me. They were a massive part of why I was able to turn myself around totally and a huge support network. Subsequently, I decided I wanted to become a teacher because the effect they can have, especially as a chain reaction, is huge. Maybe not in the way doctors do, but teachers save lives, y'know? So every time I thought "fuck maybe they're right and I can't do it" I then think "But I have to, or what am I going to tell my students, that I gave up?"
In sum, it's all about you man. Don't be realistic. I spent all year trying to be realistic. I thought "45 In Theatre, 38-40 in English, 35 in Math, 43 in Psych". Lol - I'm expecting a 35 for Theatre, close to a 45 in Math, before my English exam Werdna told me he'd expect 45 in English from my writing (something I would never have dreamed of let alone aim for) and anywhere from a 36-41 for Psych. Up your aims if you think there's any chance you can do it. Otherwise you'll put all your work to the level that you're aiming for. If you aim for a 40, you'll cap your work at what you think gets you a 40. If you aim for a 45, and aim properly, you'll work much harder than if you got a 40. I don't think I could ever repeat enough, the only limits you have are the ones you put on yourself. If you say you're going to do it, I believe you will.
+AN is a secret weapon. No one knows. Hehehe.
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Post is kinda all over the place since I had to type it all up again (read the edit) and I've a bit late to the thread here, but coming from an area thats not that great academically (and in other regions aswell) I thought I'd add my view on this too.
As some of on here already know, I didn't go to such a great school, didn't have many great/good teachers (there were times when I remember having to learn one set of incorrect theory for sacs and then the proper theory for exams for physics), and with the schools average ATAR that is, well... average (if you get my gist). Despite all of this, I gave year 12 a bloody good shot, and worked hard for the whole year, and got relatively high, and a scholarship. What I'm trying to say is that, even in a crap school, if you REALLY set your mind to it, motivate yourself and put the hard yards in for the whole year, then you will be on your way to get there, and you CAN achieve it. Screw the people that think you can't do it, prove them wrong, what do they know in the end? They're not able to go and do it themselves so they're trying to bring you down with them.
With VCE, being 'smart' helps, but it more comes down to how hard you work. I know some people at my school who themselves say that they aren't that 'bright', but put the effort in and worked thier asses off all year, and got above 90, surprising a few people, teachers and even themselves. There was a guy that thought he was going to get a 70, and that was all he was aiming for, he ended up getting above 90, and a 50.... surprising thing is I thought he was doing VCAL for the whole year... until I found out on results day (he used to be on here, kinda hoping he doesn't read this... if so *bcub3d runs*).
The point is though, it can still be done, just set your goal and work hard to achieve it, you don't know what you can achieve unless you give it a shot. And yes, those at other schools (private, selective e.t.c) may have it better, it just means its a little harder to get to the same point as they are, it just requires more effort, but you can still get there, you just have to not give up on it.
Try and stick with those at your school who will actually work hard, of find some people that you think might be able to do that with a bit of encouragement. That way you can try and support each other, help each other out, bounce off each other. You can do it on your own, its just that you don't have that support there as much (and thats when you come to AN :P).
So in the end, just remember, it doesn't matter what the others think, you're not doing it for them, you're doing this for yourself, not anyone else, and if you put the hard work in you CAN do it, you can prove them all wrong. And whats the worst that could happen? You try hard all year, fall not short of your aims and are left with your options open, knowing you gave it your best shot?
EDIT: I had the whole post typed up when I got the resubmit post thing and lost half of it, so the end bit is a little rushed... I've left a few things out with what I was going to say... and kinda ended up repeating myself... :(
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Post is kinda all over the place since I had to type it all up again (read the edit) and I've a bit late to the thread here, but coming from an area thats not that great academically (and in other regions aswell) I thought I'd add my view on this too.
As some of on here already know, I didn't go to such a great school, didn't have many great/good teachers (there were times when I remember having to learn one set of incorrect theory for sacs and then the proper theory for exams for physics), and with the schools average ATAR that is, well... average (if you get my gist). Despite all of this, I gave year 12 a bloody good shot, and worked hard for the whole year, and got relatively high, and a scholarship. What I'm trying to say is that, even in a crap school, if you REALLY set your mind to it, motivate yourself and put the hard yards in for the whole year, then you will be on your way to get there, and you CAN achieve it. Screw the people that think you can't do it, prove them wrong, what do they know in the end? They're not able to go and do it themselves so they're trying to bring you down with them.
With VCE, being 'smart' helps, but it more comes down to how hard you work. I know some people at my school who themselves say that they aren't that 'bright', but put the effort in and worked thier asses off all year, and got above 90, surpising a few people, teachers and even themselves. There was a guy that thought he was going to get a 70, and that was all he was aiming for, he ended up getting just above 90, and a 50.... surprising thing is I thought he was doing VCAL for the whole year... until I found out on results day (he used to be on here, kinda hoping he doesn't read this... if so *bcub3d runs*).
The point is though, it can still be done, just set your goal and work hard to achieve it, you don't know what you can achieve unless you give it a shot. And yes, those at other schools (private, selective e.t.c) may have it better, it just means its a little harder to get to the same point as they are, it just requires more effort, but you can still get there, you just have to not give up on it.
Try and stick with those at your school who will actually work hard, of find some people that you think might be able to do that with a bit of encouragement. That way you can try and support each other, help each other out, bounce off each other. You can do it on your own, its just that you don't have that support there as much (and thats when you come to AN :P).
So in the end, just remember, it doesn't matter what the others think, you're not doing it for them, you're doing this for yourself, not anyone else, and if you put the hard work in you CAN do it, you can prove them all wrong. And whats the worst that could happen? You try hard all year, fall not short of your aims and are left with your options open, knowing you gave it your best shot?
EDIT: I had the whole post typed up when I got the resubmit post thing and lost half of it, so the end bit is a little rushed... I've left a few things out with what I was going to say... and kinda ended up repeating myself... :(
Great read. Really great read.
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Going to Nossal High School, I've been often categorised into what they call a 'MacRob reject'. People are incredibly sceptical of me and I think that's a part of life - I personally find that people doubting your VCE aims will be similar later on in life when we aspire to certain careers and so forth, so I look at this as a great opportunity to well... "Tolerate f*ckery" LOL.
It's one thing to aim high and get there, but another thing to do it while everyone doubts you.
People always say to me that they can't believe that I even study and they assumed all I did was go out and wag school. So when I tell them I want to do law and that I've even thought about trying to study overseas, they all reply "good luck... But you realise you can always transfer etc. and what's your back up plan?". They always immediately jump to the conclusion I won't get into law first round! :(
I admit I have some sort of pride dilemma whereby I don't particularly enjoy being classified 'dumb'. But I've decided to push my ego beside because really the only thing worth doing is to please yourself, isn't it? So aim as high as possible, because it'll encourage you to work harder than ever, regardless if you reach it or not.
And sometimes I do start worrying because even though I can't accurately conceive just how difficult it is to gain entrance into such a difficult course, and I am still aware I will have to work my ass off to get what I want - but I definitely will! :) I think that 'mindset' is a very important aspect in your studies, and you'd be surprised how much it affects you!
I remember beginning Psychology 3/4 with a "meh, I hope get a 40ish" sort of attitude but after the first SAC I thought no, I'm going to try to be the top rank.
And that's what I did for all my SACs! And then for the mid-years, I got the top rank for my cohort. So bam, it's all in the hard work!
I think people are sceptical of others because they aren't happy with themselves - I actually do think is quite true to a degree. So don't let them to get to you.
Good luck with everything :) I BELIEVE IN YOU, I MAY NOT KNOW YOU, BUT I THINK EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF GREAT THINGS IF THEY WORK HARD!!!
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Going to Nossal High School, I've been often categorised into what they call a 'MacRob reject'.
Shit you serious? Oh man...the lengths people go to...
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Snake Orgy?
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I HATE YOU NINA.
Paul, I think that explains my new name.
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LOL SNAKE ORGY. SO TRUE LOL
Going to Nossal High School, I've been often categorised into what they call a 'MacRob reject'.
Shit you serious? Oh man...the lengths people go to...
People say that all the time haha, but believe me, there's no malice in it :P Just like MHS/Mac.Rob "racism", all in good fun :D
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I HATE YOU NINA.
Paul, I think that explains my new name.
HAHAHAHAHA :D
SNAKE ORGY
p.s. I thought you were sleeping
People say that all the time haha, but believe me, there's no malice in it :P Just like MHS/Mac.Rob "racism", all in good fun :D
Yes, but it's just like how people make fun of Arts degrees, it might be funny and no harm might be meant, but its hypocritical to say this is OK but bagging Arts degrees isn't. They're both equally bad and can both be hurtful.
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People say that all the time haha, but believe me, there's no malice in it :P Just like MHS/Mac.Rob "racism", all in good fun :D
Yes, but it's just like how people make fun of Arts degrees, it might be funny and no harm might be meant, but its hypocritical to say this is OK but bagging Arts degrees isn't. They're both equally bad and can both be hurtful.
Yeah, which is why you multiply those comments by zero and move on.
I didn't say it was right (and I'm not going to), I'm just saying it doesn't have a malicious intent.
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Going to Nossal High School, I've been often categorised into what they call a 'MacRob reject'.
Shit you serious? Oh man...the lengths people go to...
It's just a joke, no harm in it :) But I'm sure people are sceptical - but who wouldn't be?
I'm really curious as to how we'll do this year considering we'll have done a fair amount of 3/4s (almost every student doing 2 3/4s)...
And nice.. Name... Hmm LOL
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xoxoxoxox
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Dont. Blame. Me. I. Did. Not. Come. Up. With. Said. Name.
*looks at ninwa*
Given it was ninwa who made the name change, you can clearly see what is in the depths of her mind on a daily basis. JKS.
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stop derailing the thread guys
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Yes, your Majesty.
I'm simply doubting your aim in keeping this thread on topic, that's all.
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seriously though
@youshine, even if you don't get an ATAR for law straight away there are about a billion ways of getting in through other methods that will not disadvantage you in the slightest. So don't worry about it. Something I wish more teachers would tell VCE students is that an ATAR is only one of many, many different ways of getting into the course you desire.
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seriously though
@youshine, even if you don't get an ATAR for law straight away there are about a billion ways of getting in through other methods that will not disadvantage you in the slightest. So don't worry about it. Something I wish more teachers would tell VCE students is that an ATAR is only one of many, many different ways of getting into the course you desire.
I am aware of that but I feel like I do have the time now to work hard and perhaps do my future self a favour, so why not? :P I've still been keeping up with sports, music and my social life (and the internet LOL) with heaps of time to work so I think I'll have a go first before contemplating other options ^^"
And I think I'm leaning towards Melbourne anyway, so that's less of an ATAR problem and more of a maintaining my average whilst at uni problem haha. And then that LSAT -.-
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wow! I if I had the chance, I would easily go to Nossal rather than MHS!
The buildings are all new and probably smell nice.
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haha critics are all around us, they are usually those people who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have been given to change it.
Believe in yourself. You are the only person who has the ability to predict your ATAR by preparing for it today.Express yourself. Don't allow your own self-doubt, fear, and the negative opinions of others to stifle your gifts. Express yourself!
Sometimes people may try to shut you down, but they have no idea who they're messing with!! KEEP MOVING! VCE will test you to see how serious and determined you are. You have to fake a smile when you want to cry...but keep moving forward!! When your back is up against the wall..lean into it, and stand tall. Keep moving...even if you fall. Crawl if you must ~ look up, but keep moving forward! Every dream comes with a test, and demands of you to bring out your best. Believe in yourself, unleash your power, and KEEP MOVING FORWARD!!
Good luck 8)
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So Nossal people are MHS/Macrob rejects
What about the people who couldnt even get into Nossal :'( ie. me
(ok so there wasn't nossal when I did the test but still.. ;))
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So Nossal people are MHS/Macrob rejects
What about the people who couldnt even get into Nossal :'( ie. me
(ok so there wasn't nossal when I did the test but still.. ;))
I'm pretty sure GWSC is ranked about 80 schools higher than Nossal in terms of ATAR scores relative to the number of people.
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Something I wish more teachers would tell VCE students is that an ATAR is only one of many, many different ways of getting into the course you desire.
Something I wish more teachers would tell VCE students is that the course they desire might not even be the course they truly desire and they might not even work in the profession they desire to today, students can be too obsessive about getting into a particular course, even though it might not be the right course for them.
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So Nossal people are MHS/Macrob rejects
What about the people who couldnt even get into Nossal :'( ie. me
(ok so there wasn't nossal when I did the test but still.. ;))
I'm pretty sure GWSC is ranked about 80 schools higher than Nossal in terms of ATAR scores relative to the number of people.
^ We don't have any ATAR scores yet. I'm in the oldest year level - year 11 as of now. The only study scores we've acquired are about 13 people who did languages in year 10.
._. LOL
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i've said it before, and i don't know if it's any useful, but i'll say it again.
i think you should have high aims. anything less is just preventing your development, interest, etc in that subject
however, conversely, i think you should not expect anything too high. this doesn't need to be an absence of confidence - it's just that, do you think that one puny, two digit number totally encapsulates your entire ability in that subject? No - therefore, luck comes into play (how harsh the examiners who read your paper mark, whether the exam is suited toward what you have studied, whether you are in a relatively easy/hard cohort). as such, i think you should prepare yourself for the worst.
also, zig ziglar said it better than me: expect the best. prepare for the worst. enjoy the result.
note how i use 'expectations' differently to him, but in the end i think the meaning is the same, even though the words are completely different
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So Nossal people are MHS/Macrob rejects
What about the people who couldnt even get into Nossal :'( ie. me
(ok so there wasn't nossal when I did the test but still.. ;))
I'm pretty sure GWSC is ranked about 80 schools higher than Nossal in terms of ATAR scores relative to the number of people.
^ We don't have any ATAR scores yet. I'm in the oldest year level - year 11 as of now. The only study scores we've acquired are about 13 people who did languages in year 10.
._. LOL
Let me rephrase that then lol. By the median/Q2 scores. In that situation then it shall be interesting to see how it goes seeing as it is relatively new.
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I went to literally one of the worst schools in the state. You know those school rankings? Yeah... scroll right down to the bottom.
Anyway, I actually found this worked to my advantage. Because most people didn't care about school in the slightest, I found my teachers were really willing to invest time and effort into specifically helping me. My school was underrepresented, so I got SEAS through that. In the end I got a rather high score (don't remember it exactly anymore, but 97.XX) and didn't need to rely on SEAS to get me into my course, however I actually got a scholarship due to the combination of my high ATAR and my SEAS application (Monash University Scholarship for Excellence and Equity). Never had a tutor either.
Also... I think it builds strength of character. I don't want to start another private school v. public school debate, but you do hear stories of some private school students who get awesome scores and get into awesome universities, but then drop out because they can't handle it. They fail because they've been spoonfed. In high school, these private school students had their teachers and their tutors and their parents on their back, driving them to work hard and succeed. At university, no-one makes you do anything. That drive no longer comes from an outside source. If you want to succeed, that drive must come from within. It may be difficult now, but if you can succeed now under your own willpower, you'll be setting yourself up to win at life.
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So Nossal people are MHS/Macrob rejects
What about the people who couldnt even get into Nossal :'( ie. me
(ok so there wasn't nossal when I did the test but still.. ;))
I'm pretty sure GWSC is ranked about 80 schools higher than Nossal in terms of ATAR scores relative to the number of people.
^ We don't have any ATAR scores yet. I'm in the oldest year level - year 11 as of now. The only study scores we've acquired are about 13 people who did languages in year 10.
._. LOL
Let me rephrase that then lol. By the median/Q2 scores. In that situation then it shall be interesting to see how it goes seeing as it is relatively new.
Haha yeah! I was quite disappointed with the scores we got last year for those languages, but I guess those students were those who did Chinese because of their parents LOL... But I do recall a sea of A+s for the mid-years this year (except for maybe chemistry) so I really hope we kept it up! But yeah 2013 will really begin determining where we stand, so that'll be very interesting! :O