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VCE Stuff => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE University Enhancement Programs => Topic started by: squance on November 02, 2007, 12:56:32 pm

Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: squance on November 02, 2007, 12:56:32 pm
If I just only have studied methods in VCE, would I be able to cope with Maths subjects in University...


and do they have different degrees of difficulty in the maths subjects at uni?
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: enwiabe on November 02, 2007, 01:19:04 pm
Scale of difficulty in maths in VCE subjects:
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So yeah, it's a very BIG leap from Methods to Unimaths, but universities do ease you into it and usually run good programs to get you up to speed. I know Monash has one of the best, at least.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: squance on November 02, 2007, 01:27:01 pm
Hmm ok...

I guess I will just have to study really hard next year or something....
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Freitag on November 02, 2007, 01:27:44 pm
I disagree.

Specialist is harder then University maths in many ways.

But one or two topics studied in University maths are harder then Specialist.

I'd probably rank them together.

The step up from Methods to Spec and Uni maths is a large one.

Without Spec, I wouldn't recommend Uni maths. They work hand in hand on some topics, and really should only be done together.

But if you're a REALLY dedicated student... :P
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: enwiabe on November 02, 2007, 01:48:03 pm
Uh wtf are you on about? Unimaths is shitloads harder than Spec. Methods of proof, epsilon-delta, riemann sums and apps of integration... all difficult!
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Freitag on November 02, 2007, 01:50:48 pm
Quote from: "enwiabe"
Uh wtf are you on about? Unimaths is shitloads harder than Spec. Methods of proof, epsilon-delta, riemann sums and apps of integration... all difficult!


For UMEP, maybe.

I did Monash Enhancement program, which didn't include proofs or epsilon-delta. Instead we studied Sequences and Series.

It's far easier then Specialist in that you're able to take in as many textbooks as you like to the exam, including Spec books, methods books... Christ, I had about 50 books on my table.

I don't know about UMEP, but the enhancement course I sat was far easier then spec. in more ways then one.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: enwiabe on November 02, 2007, 01:52:56 pm
Dude.

UMEP: No cheat sheets at ALL

2 exams. One 3 hours, one 2 hours.

2 hour one is applications and has one question that is almost impossible to do EVERY year.

Multi-variable calculus as well is difficult. My teacher always rags on monash enhancement, says it's an insult to university maths. :-/ I'm talking about UMEP here. I should show you one of our exams. They are HARD.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Toothpaste on November 02, 2007, 01:56:02 pm
Monash maths is hardcore shizzle.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Freitag on November 02, 2007, 01:59:04 pm
Quote from: "enwiabe"
Dude.

UMEP: No cheat sheets at ALL

2 exams. One 3 hours, one 2 hours.

2 hour one is applications and has one question that is almost impossible to do EVERY year.

Multi-variable calculus as well is difficult. My teacher always rags on monash enhancement, says it's an insult to university maths. :-/ I'm talking about UMEP here. I should show you one of our exams. They are HARD.


I pity you =D
Monash Enhancement is the shit.
The questions are basically the same every single year.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Toothpaste on November 02, 2007, 02:02:10 pm
Quote from: "Freitag"

I pity you =D
Monash Enhancement is the shit.
The questions are basically the same every single year.


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: bubble sunglasses on November 02, 2007, 05:51:23 pm
Quote from: "enwiabe"
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So yeah, it's a very BIG leap from Methods to Unimaths, but universities do ease you into it and usually run good programs to get you up to speed. I know Monash has one of the best, at least.



  LOL you are a pass master at 1upmanship, enwiabe :lol:  

   I s'pose you'd be similarly scathing about Psych being a science? say it ranks lower than tooth-picking or something like that :)
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Collin Li on November 02, 2007, 05:58:46 pm
enwiabe is an arrogant pretentious Labor voter. "hey guyzhs i think we shud tax everyone to fund all these massively good causes~!@~!"!!!"

You think you know what's best, what rank things go, but in reality it's up to the individual to place the rungs of the ladder on their own values chart, or difficulty chart :)

Even trying to compare maths subjects with arts subjects is pretentious by nature. It basically supports and upholds the system that is so poor and short-sighted: the VCE aggregate. How can we take subjects from all fields, standardise them into a score out of 50 (in some cases, upto 55) and then aggregate them into a one-dimensional score, which is supposed to reflect multidimensional skills.

[end rant]
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Toothpaste on November 02, 2007, 06:03:29 pm
Quote from: "bubble sunglasses"

   I s'pose you'd be similarly scathing about Psych being a science? say it ranks lower than tooth-picking or something like that :)


I like tooth-picking. :D
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Ahmad on November 02, 2007, 06:15:52 pm
I'm sure you'll be fine Squance. Just try your best, I hope you do well.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: enwiabe on November 02, 2007, 10:14:59 pm
Quote from: "coblin"
enwiabe is an arrogant pretentious Labor voter. "hey guyzhs i think we shud tax everyone to fund all these massively good causes~!@~!"!!!"

You think you know what's best, what rank things go, but in reality it's up to the individual to place the rungs of the ladder on their own values chart, or difficulty chart :)

Even trying to compare maths subjects with arts subjects is pretentious by nature. It basically supports and upholds the system that is so poor and short-sighted: the VCE aggregate. How can we take subjects from all fields, standardise them into a score out of 50 (in some cases, upto 55) and then aggregate them into a one-dimensional score, which is supposed to reflect multidimensional skills.

[end rant]


Ouch, coblin. :(

I agree with you though! The VCE is a terrible system. I don't have a better idea, but I've been talking to many that do and I'm up for anything that takes place of the utter joke that is VCE and specifically, the ENTER.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Toothpaste on November 02, 2007, 10:16:06 pm
What do you think of IB?
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Collin Li on November 03, 2007, 01:02:32 am
Quote from: "enwiabe"
Ouch, coblin. :(

I agree with you though! The VCE is a terrible system. I don't have a better idea, but I've been talking to many that do and I'm up for anything that takes place of the utter joke that is VCE and specifically, the ENTER.


Haha, that was sort not as angry as it might have looked. I expected a less painful reaction from you :) Glad you agree though, but I think you'll always want to tax, you evil Labor voter, hahaha.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: blondemarmalade on November 03, 2007, 03:40:59 pm
Quote from: "coblin"
enwiabe is an arrogant pretentious Labor voter. "hey guyzhs i think we shud tax everyone to fund all these massively good causes~!@~!"!!!"

You think you know what's best, what rank things go, but in reality it's up to the individual to place the rungs of the ladder on their own values chart, or difficulty chart :)

Even trying to compare maths subjects with arts subjects is pretentious by nature. It basically supports and upholds the system that is so poor and short-sighted: the VCE aggregate. How can we take subjects from all fields, standardise them into a score out of 50 (in some cases, upto 55) and then aggregate them into a one-dimensional score, which is supposed to reflect multidimensional skills.

[end rant]


enwiabe.. arrogant?!?! i DONT THINK SO :wink:
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Nick on November 13, 2007, 09:11:23 pm
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Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Collin Li on November 13, 2007, 11:30:01 pm
Reason for bump?
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: AppleXY on November 14, 2007, 08:34:57 am
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Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Rosetta_Stoned on November 16, 2007, 10:40:43 pm
Quote from: "coblin"
enwiabe is an arrogant pretentious Labor voter. "hey guyzhs i think we shud tax everyone to fund all these massively good causes~!@~!"!!!"

You think you know what's best, what rank things go, but in reality it's up to the individual to place the rungs of the ladder on their own values chart, or difficulty chart :)

Even trying to compare maths subjects with arts subjects is pretentious by nature. It basically supports and upholds the system that is so poor and short-sighted: the VCE aggregate. How can we take subjects from all fields, standardise them into a score out of 50 (in some cases, upto 55) and then aggregate them into a one-dimensional score, which is supposed to reflect multidimensional skills.

[end rant]
I agree.

Perfect example is a score in music solo performance verses maths verses say fashion.... how can they even be compared? Even with different INSTRUMENTS within music; how can you compare a violin performance with a guitar performance?

VCE is a pile of evil shit that doesn't really measure ability. I can guarantee you at least 95% of those who get 99+ are nothing more than performing monkeys, who have additionally been extremely privileged in their education.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: brendan on November 17, 2007, 12:37:06 am
Quote from: "Rosetta_Stoned"
I can guarantee you at least 95% of those who get 99+ are nothing more than performing monkeys, who have additionally been extremely privileged in their education.


I can guarantee you that 95% of statistics are made up on the spot to hide the fact that the claimant has made an outrageous claim without providing any substantive proof whatsoever.

I would have thought that before making a broad public allegation like that against high performing students there might be some objective and credible evidence.  Sadly however, instead of making a coherent, rational argument to make a point, you unleash a torrent of vitriol and sweeping generalisations about high performing students. You provide no objective, substantive or credible evidence to support your allegations that amount to nothing more than outrageous emotional rhetoric.
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Collin Li on November 17, 2007, 12:38:28 am
Yeah, I don't see what's wrong with high performing people getting high scores, I just think that the "national aggregate" is silly because it doesn't produce the most efficient match for universities since degrees vary in requirements and skills.

High performing "monkeys" should get the high scores. 95% of people getting ENTERs of 99+ actually indicates the system works. The only point that I see you're making is an emotional appeal against high performers who are as mindless as "monkeys" and you're arguing that high ENTERs should be given to people who aren't "monkeys."
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Toothpaste on November 17, 2007, 12:41:31 am
I agree that we've evolved from monkeys. /irrelevant
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: enwiabe on November 17, 2007, 10:47:50 am
Well, duh, hasn't anyone picked up on the fact that she's bitter that she won't be a "high-performing monkey"? Anyone at all? I mean, that's obviously where all this bitterness and hatred of us performing monkeys is coming from. :)
Title: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Collin Li on November 17, 2007, 11:04:04 am
Quote from: "enwiabe"
Well, duh, hasn't anyone picked up on the fact that she's bitter that she won't be a "high-performing monkey"? Anyone at all? I mean, that's obviously where all this bitterness and hatred of us performing monkeys is coming from. :)


Yeah, but let's not read into it and convert it into an attack on the man, and instead look at the demerits of the argument: it's implying that "monkeys" shouldn't get high ENTERs. Perhaps the system should be modified so that people "with a life" will get high ENTER scores. Sounds good: maximum MySpace activity = high ENTER. I think we'll see universities going for people with low ENTERs, or totally abandoning the national system.
Title: Re: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Fitness on May 22, 2008, 02:51:00 am
IT DEPENDS WHAT MATHS YOU DO!
For example, my maths is piss easy because it's based around stuff I need for MY course.
In first year, it's ONLY computer science subjects, hence I have maths directly related to Computer Science. It is piss easy.
However, this may differ with business degrees etc.
Title: Re: Uni Maths.....
Post by: Mao on May 22, 2008, 09:01:52 pm
IT DEPENDS WHAT MATHS YOU DO!
For example, my maths is piss easy because it's based around stuff I need for MY course.
In first year, it's ONLY computer science subjects, hence I have maths directly related to Computer Science. It is piss easy.
However, this may differ with business degrees etc.
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6 months, 4 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes, 56 seconds

congratulations.

what makes it better is, this is also the second necromancy committed in this thread

and what makes it even better is, this post is not even on topic! [the thing is about enhancement maths (or in other words, a first year mathematical science subject), not about math subjects at uni or math subjects in general, so lol]

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Title: Re: Uni Maths.....
Post by: bubble sunglasses on May 23, 2008, 09:44:21 pm

 I'm glad of it, I got to see the mini-lulz from the previous few posts, which I'd been unaware of