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VCE Stuff => VCE English Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English Language => Topic started by: Kaille on November 09, 2012, 07:35:02 pm
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yo guize less than a week to gooo!
Put your qs up here (if you have any that is)!
i'll start us off.
has anyone done the tssm 2012? Section 1 question 1b, explain the semantic difference between "I fell in love" and "so desperately in love". i have no idea what to say at all!
Thanks!
Mod Edit: A thread for all of you to share ideas before the exam. Good luck!
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I just did that today!! I struggled with the essay. Did the paper in 2 hours and I only managed to write down half an introduction and left out a few short answer questions. I'm so screwed for the exam >.<
For that questions I said something about one being current and one already existing and how the first one is about the writer and the second is about Dickens. Pretty sure that doesn't even make sense. Omg, I'm so screwed.
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At least we're in the same boat! Looked at that question in my "reading time" and was like eff this shit and didn't even bother to finish it LOL
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How you guys feeling for the exam?
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Not good at all. I've been trying to write some essays and analysis in time, but I actually cannot do it. I always just end up staring at the text/essay topic and thinking "Shit, what am I doing with my life"
I absolutely love the subject when it comes to talking about it and discussing new things, HATE writing about it.
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Not good at all. I've been trying to write some essays and analysis in time, but I actually cannot do it. I always just end up staring at the text/essay topic and thinking "Shit, what am I doing with my life"
I absolutely love the subject when it comes to talking about it and discussing new things, HATE writing about it.
How many essays u written through the year?
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pretty screwed; got no examples of contemporary attitudes. Been trying to write good essays on the computer so probably wont have luck trying to put something together under exam conditions, in ~50 mins or so at the moment
are you guys all doing proper exam trials now? I'm still just trying to do sections by section and trying to learn something from the sample responses
to OPs question: one is in first person, active voice, and the other passive, third person with the subject omitted to describe someone other than the writer? assuming there is no " (I am) so desperately in love"
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How many essays u written through the year?
Not all that many.. about 9ish
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How many essays u written through the year?
Not all that many.. about 9ish
No worries. I was on the same boat having done about a similar number (counting the ones we did as SACs too). Just keep at it and I'm sure you'll do fine.
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what has happened to "wanna" like elision or blending or something?
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what has happened to "wanna" like elision or blending or something?
"wanna" is an assimilation I think :)
So nervous for the exam! I went to a lecture for essay writing and the lecturer said we can use international example like how "madamoiselle" is being taken out of French but my teacher says we can't :-/ I don't know who to believe..Help?
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Apart from Engage, does anybody know where to obtain free trial papers for 2012? Are there any in circulation at all?
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what has happened to "wanna" like elision or blending or something?
"wanna" is an assimilation I think :)
So nervous for the exam! I went to a lecture for essay writing and the lecturer said we can use international example like how "madamoiselle" is being taken out of French but my teacher says we can't :-/ I don't know who to believe..Help?
thanks! i think we can use international ones, just sparingly coz most of the time essays specify the australian context
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Some extra practice exams:
http://engageeducation.org.au/practice-exams/english-langauge
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given that there aren't many 2012 exam papers we can do, (thinking around only 2012 for the current study design) what are we doing for revision?
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Have you got the green insight book?
I've only used it a bit, but what I have used is very useful.
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yeah i've got it, i've done some throughout the year, but reading the sample essays makes me feel super dumb
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My teacher has that book! She's pointed out several times that while the ideas are still relevant, the essays are far beyond what a Year 12 student would be expected to write (thank goodness), so it's all good :)
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Oh thank god because I cannot write that well. At all.
I'm still freaking out guys!
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The timing is going to be a killer! :/ 2 hours doesn't seem like a whole lot! But hopefully everyone will find it difficult so it'll kind of even out.. or that's just positive thinking haha
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my teacher says we should push for around 750-1000+ words each for analysis and essay. good joke, not gonna happen.
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my teacher says we should push for around 750-1000+ words each for analysis and essay. good joke, not gonna happen.
I thought it's about the quality not quantity :P
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^haha exactly what i said!
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Ahah just need to write super concisely :S
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Have you guys thought about what order you'll do the sections in? :)
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Definely A first, then depending on the essay qs/commentary text, I'll do whichever is easiest. You? (:
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samesies, but i'll most likely go in order
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Nice :) I haven't really made a decision - well, I did A, C, B in the mock exam we did during the holidays. But I'm now considering that if I spend too long on the first two sections, the short answer questions would probably be the easiest section to leave to last in order to get through them as quickly as possible... But who knows what I'll decide to do on the day!
In the essay, are we allowed to refer to "Teenspeak" as a variety in itself, or do we have to say something like "the variety of Australian English commonly used by teenagers in modern society"? Or is there a better way to talk about it?
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In the essay, are we allowed to refer to "Teenspeak" as a variety in itself, or do we have to say something like "the variety of Australian English commonly used by teenagers in modern society"? Or is there a better way to talk about it?
Teenspeak is often used in the assesment reports and in the high scoring responses, so I'm sure that it's fine. But maybe use the later earlier in the piece, then reference it as teenspeak for the rest of the essay?
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i think you can also say teen register?
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thought i was the only one screwed for this exam, been cramming for the past 4 days...
how many examples does everyone have? i have a few but doubt its enough
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thought i was the only one screwed for this exam, been cramming for the past 4 days...
how many examples does everyone have? i have a few but doubt its enough
For essays?
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Awesome, that works :) Thanks guys!
Yeah I don't think I have enough either for my essays! I found this thread really useful for some examples though :)
Edit: Fixed link.
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thought i was the only one screwed for this exam, been cramming for the past 4 days...
how many examples does everyone have? i have a few but doubt its enough
For essays?
yeah the section C essay
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Awesome, that works :) Thanks guys!
Yeah I don't think I have enough either for my essays! I found [link=http://www.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=37776.0]this[/link] thread really useful for some examples though :)
thanks :)
though just wondering, don't the examples have to be from 2012? thats what i was told at the vate lecture
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Awesome, that works :) Thanks guys!
Yeah I don't think I have enough either for my essays! I found [link=http://www.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php?topic=37776.0]this[/link] thread really useful for some examples though :)
thanks :)
though just wondering, don't the examples have to be from 2012? thats what i was told at the vate lecture
Nah, she said we can use examples from 2010 onwards, just don't use really old stuff like the "where the bloody hell are you" ad :)
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But the examiners will be more impressed if you use examples from this year, only because they have most likely read the ones from previous years.
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Personally I don't think they'd be prescriptive (see what I did there? :P ) and discount examples from before 2010, but it would add extra value if you could use examples from this year.
In my exam last year, most of my examples were pre 2011, and I had one example that was from The Age on the day of the exam (lucky I randomly decided to read the paper that morning!), and the examiners didn't seem too fazed by it :D
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Yeah I agree with the above. You should try and use current examples, to show you've been reading widely throughout the year, but if you're stuck and can only remember an example from pre-2010, I think you're better off including it than not including anything!
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How we all feeling? Less than 26 hours to go...
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How we all feeling? Less than 26 hours to go...
Shit scared.
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You guys will do great! Does anyone have any last minute questions? I might be able to help out :)
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Can coordination and subordination be considered examples of cohesive ties, because they links two phrases/clauses together in a logical way? :)
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Can coordination and subordination be considered examples of cohesive ties, because they links two phrases/clauses together in a logical way? :)
I think so, on the sheet our teacher gave us it has conjunctions and linking adverbials as cohesive ties :)
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Great! Thanks. Thought I'd double check - it sounded reasonable to me but haven't been able to find any explicit mention in assessment reports :) Good luck for tomorrow!
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So how are we writing these section b thingos? I've heard so much conflicting information, i'm not too sure how i'm gonna tackle this thing tomorrow.
So basically its intro and stylistic features of the text? that it? OWW NO THIS IS NOT GONNA GO DOWN WELL TOMORROWW!
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Section B = commentary yeah?
I get what you mean about the conflicting information! I've heard about so many different ways of writing one, it's crazy.
In my practice ones I've handed in, I generally do an intro, then a few paragraphs depending on what is important to the text. For example function, context and/or social purpose, and talking about how they affect the language used. But there are so many approaches which could potentially work - I assume as long as we write cohesively/coherently with examples from the text we'll be right :)
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So how are we writing these section b thingos? I've heard so much conflicting information, i'm not too sure how i'm gonna tackle this thing tomorrow.
So basically its intro and stylistic features of the text? that it? OWW NO THIS IS NOT GONNA GO DOWN WELL TOMORROWW!
This is the problem, nobody knows exactly how to handle it! Hopefully they will be fairly lenient in their marking since it's the first year and I think peoples set ups will differ greatly, but this is how I'll be presenting mine:
First paragraph, somewhat like an introduction, just saying what the text is, register, target audience, context etc etc. Pretty brief.
Then from there, just sectioning it off into subsystems, and also topic management, turn taking (if they are applicable) and coherence/cohesion.
And obviously linking each example found back to everything identified in the beginning :)
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yoos section B.
Hopefully they'll be somewhat lenient in terms of what they're expecting, its not as if we have anything to go on with!
Oh interesting! i've never done it your way before, i normally do paragraphs explicitly for lexicon syntax etc.
what about coherence and cohesion and discourse, do you guys talk about it a lot in your analyticals?
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I haven't really mentioned them too greatly much in ones I've done in the past but I can imagine areas where it might come into play. For example if you have a spoken text and two people talking about two different things, you could comment on the lack of coherence of the discourse as a whole due to their willingness to both dominate the conversation... But I haven't come across that in an actual text I've been given before! Or for cohesion you could touch on anaphoric/cataphoric referencing to ensure an effective exchange and unnecessary repetition.
Has there been anything published about a word count expectation for the commentary and essay?
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Has there been anything published about a word count expectation for the commentary and essay?
i think vate says around 500-600 each :P
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or more too lol
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Haha cool :) Sounds like a good estimate to me - thanks!
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I gave a practice analysis to my teacher and I was pretty happy with it, but in the end she gave me 8/15.
But then she said she may have marked it harshly, so I'm reaaallly hoping she did and it was actually better than 8/15.
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hey guys wat do u think a person needs to get out of 75 to get a score of 33
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What are you guys scoring in your essays? (Section C)
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hey guys wat do u think a person needs to get out of 75 to get a score of 33
It's really hard to call, seeing as its a new exam structure and the cut offs may be completely different. But for 33 you'd probably be looking at all Bs so maybe 45/75?
What are you guys scoring in your essays? (Section C)
In sacs, our essays were marked out of 10, and I got mainly 8s. When submitting practices in the lead up to the exam, my teacher didn't give them a grade as she thought this would either make us arrogant or disheartened (I see where she's coming from but don't agree). So I have no idea what to expect tomorrow, just hoping for some essay topics that play to my strengths!
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8/10 = 12/15...that's pretty damned good.
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What are you guys scoring in your essays? (Section C)
My last couple of practice essays have been given 12-13/15 by my teacher. Hopefully I can replicate that tomorrow!