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Title: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 27, 2012, 03:20:36 am
Show that |x|<2  =>  |(x^2+2x+7)/(x^2+1)|<15

The inequality signs should be 'or equal to' .

Some hints on where to start be good. im not sure i can start with the second inequality cause of the whole P implies Q doesnt necessarily mean Q implies P thing
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on December 27, 2012, 03:47:44 am
Show that |x|<2  =>  |(x^2+2x+7)/(x^2+1)|<15

The inequality signs should be 'or equal to' .

Some hints on where to start be good. im not sure i can start with the second inequality cause of the whole P implies Q doesnt necessarily mean Q implies P thing
Do you mean
Show that if the modulus of x is greater or equal to 2, then the modulus of is smaller or equal to 15?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: b^3 on December 27, 2012, 03:59:51 am
I have some working, but I don't think its the proper way of going about it (not a proper proof), and its a bit intuitive, so odds are it won't help but heres my way of thinking it through.

Since for , i.e. we are always dividing by something greater than , so has to be equal to or smaller than its maximum.

When we do actually divide by 1, that is when , then
So as for and and for
for

Anyways, probably not the solution, but it may give you some ideas, so hope it helps.
 
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 27, 2012, 04:52:36 am
@FlorianK: yep, i guess that's one way to phrase it but|x| should be less than or equal to 2 :p

@Indian Battman: thanks, i wouldnt have thought of that. im looking for a method that doesnt use calculus cause this is actually in the preliminaries section of the text lol
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on December 27, 2012, 05:28:45 am
That question is Bullshit, like literally bullshit.
The whole function is always smaller than 15 for all values of x ~_~

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 27, 2012, 07:00:14 am
yeah, worked that bit out myself by graphing it xD

but surely there's another way of proving it
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: polar on December 27, 2012, 11:05:57 am
try using the triangle inequality

Spoiler

the converse doesn't need to be true for that statement to the true either, it just means you can't put an if and only if sign between them.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: dcc on December 27, 2012, 11:40:07 am
another take on polar's solution is to consider

for .

edit: using this, we recover where the mysterious "15" comes from:

for
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: BubbleWrapMan on December 27, 2012, 02:39:29 pm
I noticed that the expression is always positive anyway, so the modulus is redundant.

For all real , , and therefore

Also







If and we multiply by which is always in the interval we will still get a number less than 15, because the product will either be equal to , or a less.

Hence, whatever the question was
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 28, 2012, 04:18:18 am
wow, thanks a lot guys

@polar: why do you set the expression to 7 and solve for x? im a bit unclear on the.motivation and how you chose that number

@dcc: how did you choose 10 and how do you the inequality is true?

@ClimbTooHigh: think i understand your method, similar to ive seen before :p
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 30, 2012, 06:07:33 am
how do you integrate sqrt(x-x^2)? trig sub hasnt gotten me anywhere so far

edit:  this is what i got:



which disagrees with what the ti89 gave. even though the calc tends to give different forms of what you usually get if you do it by hand, im not all that confident with my derivation
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on December 30, 2012, 07:11:22 am
did you made that question up or found it in your textbook or something?
The answer looks a bit too crazy:



especially because the derivative of arcsin(2x-1) is

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 30, 2012, 07:19:05 am
the original question was 'what is the largest value of the integral of sqrt(x-x^2) from a to b for any a and b'

im not sure if you are meant to integrate but i thought it would be interesting to try to do so
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on December 30, 2012, 07:29:06 am
Graph it and you'll see that it is a half circle with radius 1/2 units, hence the area under the curve, which is in this case the greatest integral, is pi/8. The proof that it is that circle will be up in a second
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on December 30, 2012, 07:42:11 am
ok, so we need to show that it is a circle. The general equation for a circle is:

where (a,b) is the point of the center and r is the radius.
So we need to show that is the same as













Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 30, 2012, 07:54:57 am
thanks FlorianK

any ideas on how to do the nasty integral? one of my mistakes was assuming |sin(x)cos(x)|sin(x)cos(x) is the same as sin(x)^2*cos(x)^2...that's the last thing i integrated before changing variables and getting the above erroneous answer
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on December 30, 2012, 08:04:52 am
nope, because the derivative of arcsin(2x-1) is



That confuses me
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on December 30, 2012, 08:20:08 am
fwah?  i got for that derivative.

edit: which i think is equivalent to what you got
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: b^3 on December 30, 2012, 02:53:01 pm
thanks FlorianK

any ideas on how to do the nasty integral? one of my mistakes was assuming |sin(x)cos(x)|sin(x)cos(x) is the same as sin(x)^2*cos(x)^2...that's the last thing i integrated before changing variables and getting the above erroneous answer
That took a while, hopefully there are not errors in there...

Anyways, the train of thought, try to work on the to make it into something that we can doa  trig substitution with. Do the trig sub, using the right substitution so that we get something else out that we can work with, here that is . Use the double angle formula for cos to bring it down to something we can integrate, then expand it out and split it up, working on each part. Start subbing back through the variables, and when we encounter the cos inside the sin and such, draw out a triangle to find the equivalent expression. Then keep subbing back through the variables to finish it off.


There will be domain restrictions that arise when you manipulate the triangle aswell, but anyways... after typing all that out... Anyways, hope it helps :)

Also had a feeling that hyperbolic functions may have helped at one stage... but looking back it it maybe not.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: dcc on December 31, 2012, 09:32:32 pm
@dcc: how did you choose 10 and how do you the inequality is true?

triangle inequality gives you
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on January 16, 2013, 03:08:45 pm
Haha mad props b^3, didn't realise you'd written all that up (have images disabled on my phone, but tex usually). You wouldn't happen to know why WolframAlpha gives a completely different answer would you?

triangle inequality gives you

Thanks dcc...haven't thought about that one in a while >.<

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Evaluate the line intgral where C is the right half of the circle

I got 2/5, book gives 1638.4 which doesn't look right...

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: polar on January 16, 2013, 03:43:00 pm
x^2 + y^2 = 16
parametrise it:
x=4cos(t), dx/dt = -4sin(t) for -pi/2 ≤ t ≤ pi/2
and, y=4sin(t), dy/dt = 4cos(t) for -pi/2 ≤ t ≤ pi/2

since, ds = sqrt((dx/dt)^2 + (dy/dt)^2)dt = sqrt(4^2(cos^2(t)+sin^2(t))dt = 4dt
int_c xy^4 ds = int_(-pi/2)^(pi/2) 4(4cos(t))(4sin(t))^4 dt = 1638.4
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on January 16, 2013, 03:56:27 pm
Thanks polar, I was missing the 4 in the parametrisation
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on January 25, 2013, 03:35:01 pm
Found this one on another site

Find the range of k for which the inequality for all x

Not sure how to find k if cos(x) is an element of [-1, 1]
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: BubbleWrapMan on January 25, 2013, 06:48:51 pm
I did this by analysing the graph of y = cos^2(x)+cos(x)

cos^2(x)+cos(x) has a maximum value of 2, so you can have k = -0.5 (which would give you -0.5 x 2 + 1 = 0). If k is greater than this you'll get a positive number, e.g if k = -0.25 you'll have -0.25 x 2 + 1 = 0.5. So we need to have -0.5 ≤ k. There is also an upper bound on k, though, which we need to find.

cos^2(x)+cos(x) reaches a minimum of -1/4, so you can have k = 4 (this would give you 4 x -0.25 + 1 = 0). If k is greater than 4 you will get a negative number, but if it is less than 4 you'll get a positive number, so it holds for k < 4 as well.

So, the range of values of k is [-0.5, 4]

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on January 26, 2013, 06:30:15 pm
Ah, get it now. Thanks a lot Calvin Climb
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on January 30, 2013, 03:42:48 am
How do you find the limit as x approaches 0 from the left hand side of


This comes from trying to evaluate the improper integral

EDIT: fixed latex
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: b^3 on January 30, 2013, 04:57:46 pm
Fairly rusty on this so I hope I don't break any rules here but we can apply L’Hopital’s Rule, that is
(although I have a feeling that it may not be the right form for this.... but anyways)

We can rewrite what we have as

Then applying the rule

Now as , , so . That is


Hope I haven't stuffed up, may want to get a more seniour member to check it over.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on January 31, 2013, 04:50:48 pm
Thanks again b^3!

How would you evaluate by writing the integrand as an integral (so does it becomes a double integral?)? I only know how to do the long way by parts
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 04, 2013, 10:17:29 am
How do you evaluate ?

Am I supposed to try and get into the form of a geometric series or something? The second term starts on e^(1/2) so the first term of the answer would be e cause there's no e (then the rest cancel), but not sure how the 1 comes in.

(solution is e-1)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: QuantumJG on February 04, 2013, 02:36:46 pm
This is my attempt at this problem:

Let



Then



Claim:



Proof:

N=1



Now assume this holds for N, want to show that



Now



Therefore



So

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 14, 2013, 12:30:20 pm
Sorry for the late reply, took me a while to (and attempt to) digest that  :P

For your claim and proof, are you proving that

is true?

Cause I think you used that in your proof in this part:



(looks like you subbed in )
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: QuantumJG on February 14, 2013, 01:33:42 pm
Sorry for the late reply, took me a while to (and attempt to) digest that  :P

For your claim and proof, are you proving that

is true?

Cause I think you used that in your proof in this part:



(looks like you subbed in )


What I did is called proof by induction. Proof by induction has three steps:

(i) Show that what you're trying to prove holds for the most basic case. This is called the base "case".

(ii) Assume that what you're trying to prove holds for all $n\le N$ where $N$ is some integer.

(iii) Using the assumption you made in (ii), show that it holds for $N+1$. If you can show that, then you have shown it holds for any value of $n$, since I can arbitrarily make $N$ as large as I want. It's a real, useful and fun proof technique. Specialist maths should include some of these proof techniques (including proof by contrapositive).
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 14, 2013, 09:02:45 pm
Claim:



So that's what we want to prove right?

Proof:

N=1



^ That's the base case?


Now assume this holds for N, want to show that



^ So if we can show that the above is true, then we can show what we're trying to prove is true?

Now



^ The there means the series up to the nth term, right?



This is where I get confused cause it I'm not sure what we're proving now. It looks like you put in


But isn't that what we're trying to prove?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on February 14, 2013, 09:59:29 pm
What I did is called proof by induction. Proof by induction has three steps:

(i) Show that what you're trying to prove holds for the most basic case. This is called the base "case".

(ii) Assume that what you're trying to prove holds for all $n\le N$ where $N$ is some integer.

(iii) Using the assumption you made in (ii), show that it holds for $N+1$. If you can show that, then you have shown it holds for any value of $n$, since I can arbitrarily make $N$ as large as I want. It's a real, useful and fun proof technique. Specialist maths should include some of these proof techniques (including proof by contrapositive).

Thanks alot for that Quantum!
I needed help with that for uni maths  :)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 16, 2013, 12:30:51 pm
In general it is an idea called telescoping (funnily a lecturer once used this to show that maths has applications to astronomy :P )

In general notice that where   is any sequence. To see this just reorder the terms as follows
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 16, 2013, 02:52:38 pm
In general it is an idea called telescoping (funnily a lecturer once used this to show that maths has applications to astronomy :P )

In general notice that where   is any sequence. To see this just reorder the terms as follows

Is that what QuantumJG was proving? (the claim part)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 16, 2013, 11:26:43 pm
Yeah that's right, he proved exactly that by induction, usually the cleanest way of expressing it but not necessarily the most intuitive.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 16, 2013, 11:59:09 pm
Hmmm...I'm still confused by this part:


Cause to me, it looks like he used what he was trying to prove
)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on February 17, 2013, 11:16:30 am
I don't know if this is the right thread to be posting in..
but can someone please help me with these two questions?

(1) Prove that the cube of an odd integer is odd.
(2) Prove that if n^2 is divisible by three then n is also divisible be 3. (For this question..I tried to do it the same way as if you were to do it for divisible by 2..but it didn't work  :( )

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: polar on February 17, 2013, 11:32:03 am
1. hint: write an odd integer as 2k+1
Spoiler

the first three terms must be even (or 0 when k=0), hence, adding 1 (an odd number) makes it's odd. hence, the cube of an odd integer is odd
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on February 17, 2013, 11:37:38 am
1. hint: write an odd integer as 2k+1
Spoiler

the first three terms must be even (or 0 when k=0), hence, adding 1 (an odd number) makes it's odd. hence, the cube of an odd integer is odd

Ohh I get it now!!
Thanks for that  :)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 17, 2013, 12:36:56 pm
Hmmm...I'm still confused by this part:


Cause to me, it looks like he used what he was trying to prove
)

He used induction, so yes he showed that IF it is true for then it is true for .

This is the general scheme for induction:

Show the following:

(1) True for N=1

(2) If true for N=k then true for N=k+1

(1) and (2) imply that it is true for all N as follows: Since by (1) it is true for N=1, then using (2) we get true for N=2. Then using (2) again we show it is true for N=3 etc... i.e it's like a domino thing.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on February 17, 2013, 03:38:32 pm
1. hint: write an odd integer as 2k+1
Spoiler

the first three terms must be even (or 0 when k=0), hence, adding 1 (an odd number) makes it's odd. hence, the cube of an odd integer is odd

sorry again polar, but how would you say i communicate to my teacher that the first three terms must always be even..i understand it, but i don't know how to express it?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: polar on February 17, 2013, 03:56:21 pm
sorry again polar, but how would you say i communicate to my teacher that the first three terms must always be even..i understand it, but i don't know how to express it?

an even number can be written in the form , if we can write each of first three terms in this form, then they are even:
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 17, 2013, 07:32:48 pm
Yeah that's right, he proved exactly that by induction, usually the cleanest way of expressing it but not necessarily the most intuitive.

Ok, in the proof, the claim was for but then we wanted to show that it was true for , but how can we assume is true when that's what we're trying to prove in the first place?



an even number can be written in the form , if we can write each of first three terms in this form, then they are even:

Would you have to show that the sum of the even numbers is indeed even?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: polar on February 17, 2013, 07:39:59 pm
true lol, I guess a better way would've been and hence, 1 plus an even number is odd
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: QuantumJG on February 18, 2013, 10:12:22 am
These are some cool questions.

Hi #1procrastinator, maybe I should have used some better notation. I claimed that for any , I can write



So after doing the base case, I assume that my claim holds for some such that . Then I want to show that it also holds for (In your mind think of and ). Now I know that



Now I use my assumption and get



So now I've shown it holds for , and thus I've shown it holds in general because I could have made as arbitrarily large as I like.

Overall, this is just telescoping a series. In general (sometimes - if it's an infinite series, you should first see if it converges by doing convergence tests) for some sequence

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 18, 2013, 11:14:39 am
Ok, in the proof, the claim was for but then we wanted to show that it was true for , but how can we assume is true when that's what we're trying to prove in the first place?


Read my most recent post for an explanation of what induction is, or just google "mathematical induction" to see what it is.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 23, 2013, 01:43:42 am
Thanks a lot guys - think I got it now - just gotta read up a bit more on this proof by induction witchery though.
Also, QuantumJG, in your last step:




Did you really have to take the limit into the exponent or could you just have said that is 1?

-----------------------------------------

1) What does 'coordinatewise addition' mean (e.g. 'Define addition of elements in V coordinatewise)? Does it just mean adding the corresponding components of two lists or vectors? So (a, b) + (c, d) = (a+c, b+d)

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2) To prove would this acceptable?



This is the way the author does it:




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3) To prove , he starts with the RHS and shows that it's equal to the LHS. Is this an example of a case where P<->Q? Generally, how would you determine if P<->Q or just P->Q?


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4) How would you write the set of all even functions using set notation?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 23, 2013, 11:46:42 am
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Did you really have to take the limit into the exponent or could you just...

It really depends how much detail you want. Are you satisfied? Or maybe more importantly sometimes the question is are your bosses satisfied. If it was a 1st year course in calculus and you just covered continuity of exponential yesterday, then yeah I would. If however you were writing a research paper then you shouldn't, it would be a waste of paper.

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1) What does 'coordinatewise addition' mean

Yeah it means do it on each coordinate. Again this is slang and if you are ever unsure about slang, look ahead and try to figure out the right definition from the context/examples etc.

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2) To prove would this acceptable?

This depends entirely on your definition of , in most formal construction of say the rational numbers, we define the rationals as pairs of numbers where are integers with and define an equivalence relation by if and only if . If one was to use this definition then to show one would have to show that which obviously follows from commutatitivty and associativity of multiplication.
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3) To prove \frac{a}{b}+\frac{c}{d}=\frac{ad+bc}{bc}, he starts with the RHS and shows that it's equal to the LHS. Is this an example of a case where P<->Q? Generally, how would you determine if P<->Q or just P->Q?

I don't understand your concern. Which statements are P and Q supposed to represent in this particular example? As an exercise you may want to prove this identity using the definition of fractions I gave above.


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4) How would you write the set of all even functions using set notation?

How would I write the set of all things that satisfy property P? . What is the here? Being a function f such that f(x)=f(-x) for all . So using this template



sometimes you can use : instead of | if it looks better (for example, when there are absolute values involved in my definitions I obviously prefer to use : )



A more economical and professional way of writing it would be:

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 23, 2013, 05:49:59 pm
^ Thank you!

This depends entirely on your definition of [/tex]

From the book ('Calculus' by Spivak), he says 'the symbol a/b means ab^-1.

I don't understand your concern. Which statements are P and Q supposed to represent in this particular example? As an exercise you may want to prove this identity using the definition of fractions I gave above.

I was thinking P would be on the LHS and Q would be the RHS but there's a damn equality sign there!

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 23, 2013, 08:32:28 pm

Quote
From the book ('Calculus' by Spivak), he says 'the symbol a/b means ab^-1.

Hrmm ok, then what are and assumed to be? Just elements of some field (like real numbers etc.) ?

So in that case proving means proving that . This follows from .
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 23, 2013, 09:51:24 pm
He doesn't say explicitly but pretty sure they're supposed to be real numbers :p

why do we have to write as ? And could we prove instead ?

Could you please point what is wrong with this way:


EDIT:

And also to prove that if , then if a is real but non-zero, is it sufficient to just do the following:
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 24, 2013, 06:08:36 pm
Look, when it comes to these sort of foundational things what counts as a proof and what doesn't largely depends on your definitions and what you already know1  (i.e what facts/theorems are you allowed to use). So as for your second query, it depends... sure it is a good enough proof if you already know that the real numbers have multiplicative inverses.

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why do we have to write a/b as ab^{-1}?

you told me that was the definition! so I used that definition, if you had given me another definition I would have used that definition. For such simple facts, might as well stick to the definitions and everything will work out.

[1] There are many paths one may take to develop the basics of the reals, I don't know which order Spivak goes in.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: TrueTears on February 24, 2013, 06:11:23 pm
you should link arun's site about proofs here lol
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 25, 2013, 03:37:46 am
Look, when it comes to these sort of foundational things what counts as a proof and what doesn't largely depends on your definitions and what you already know1  (i.e what facts/theorems are you allowed to use). So as for your second query, it depends... sure it is a good enough proof if you already know that the real numbers have multiplicative inverses.

Well, I guess if I'm showing the proof to someone, I'm assuming they're familiar with the axioms I'm working with too :p

you told me that was the definition! so I used that definition, if you had given me another definition I would have used that definition. For such simple facts, might as well stick to the definitions and everything will work out.

[1] There are many paths one may take to develop the basics of the reals, I don't know which order Spivak goes in.

Haha, he mentions it almost in passing, saying that a/b always means ab^(-1) so I thought we could use either one.

you should link arun's site about proofs here lol

This?
http://www.ms.unimelb.edu.au/~ram/Notes/grammarContent.xhtml
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: TrueTears on February 25, 2013, 05:27:58 pm
ya that and another pdf document somewhere...
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 26, 2013, 12:07:43 pm
Show that if for all x, then


Not sure how to show this, some pointers would be nice :p
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 26, 2013, 10:45:06 pm
This is a linear algebra problem. Plug in three values of to get three linear equations. If lucky, these three equations should only have the trivial solution.

It may be efficient to plug in values that give zeros. For example:

gives .

gives

Now just need one more equation, I'll leave you to find this.

Alternatively, a more systematic way would be to plug in their Taylor series (if you already know what they are) to get some equations by comparing coefficients.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on March 03, 2013, 01:01:55 pm
Can someone please explain how you find the real part and the imaginary part in an expression, when it's not in the standard form?
My teacher said something about real part = (real x real) - (imaginary x imaginary)? But I'm a bit confused..
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: b^3 on March 03, 2013, 01:27:57 pm
What do you mean by not in standard form?
Do you mean something like ?
In that case lets look at what happens when we expand it out.

Now we know that , which brings us to

Which is what you're teacher was getting at with real times real minus imaginary times imaginary.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on March 03, 2013, 01:42:54 pm
What do you mean by not in standard form?
Do you mean something like ?
In that case lets look at what happens when we expand it out.

Now we know that , which brings us to

Which is what you're teacher was getting at with real times real minus imaginary times imaginary.

Sorry I should have been more specific! What I meant was when we're dealing with things like differentiation and antidifferentiation of exponentials. For examples showing how e^ax sin(bx) = (e^ax / a^2+b^2 ) (asin(bx) - bcos(bx)) ? Im really sorry if this question doesn't make sense.. I don't know how to use latex?!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: b^3 on March 03, 2013, 02:04:30 pm
I'll start with the sine case, (if we are integrating sine we will use Im part and if we are integrating cosine we will use the Re part, you'll see why later).

Now we notice that we can turn our expression into something involving a complex exponent.

Now we know that


Now if we wanted to take the imaginary part of our expression, how would we find it? What multiplied by what will give an imaginary part?
Real Real gives Real
Imaginary Imaginary=Real (the terms comes out to give a negative)
Real Imaginary=Imaginary
Imaginary Real=Imaginary

So to find the imaginary part we need to look at the latter two.


If we wanted to take the Real part, when integrating a cosine, we would need to do the first two, that is the Real Real and Imaginary Imaginary.

Hope that makes sense :)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on March 03, 2013, 02:13:30 pm
I'll start with the sine case, (if we are integrating sine we will use Im part and if we are integrating cosine we will use the Re part, you'll see why later).

Now we notice that we can turn our expression into something involving a complex exponent.

Now we know that


Now if we wanted to take the imaginary part of our expression, how would we find it? What multiplied by what will give an imaginary part?
Real Real gives Real
Imaginary Imaginary=Real (the terms comes out to give a negative)
Real Imaginary=Imaginary
Imaginary Real=Imaginary

So to find the imaginary part we need to look at the latter two.


If we wanted to take the Real part, when integrating a cosine, we would need to do the first two, that is the Real Real and Imaginary Imaginary.

Hope that makes sense :)

Thankyou (x million!)
It totally make sense to me now :)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 12, 2013, 12:43:15 pm
How would you prove the product of a rational number and an irrational number is irrational? And the sum of a rational number and an irrational number is irrational?

Thanks
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Lasercookie on March 12, 2013, 01:23:02 pm
For the sum of a rational number and an irrational number is irrational

Let a = rational number, b = irrational number
So aiming for a proof by contradiction, suppose that , where p is a rational number

Subtract a, a rational number from both sides


Since a and p are rational numbers, we can express them as ratios of integers and where x, y, m, n are integers (also y and n non-zero)



Since this is still a ratio of integers (product of integers are integers, sum of integers are integers - not sure how to prove this, but it seems obvious that it'd be true) this is still rational.

So that means is rational. Which is a contradiction! (yay it worked - assuming I did everything correctly) since we defined b to be irrational at the start.



Edit: Figured out the other one, it was easier than I thought/fairly similar to the one above.

a = rational, b = irrational
where p is rational



So we can show that is rational (product of integers are integers), which means that b is rational, hence contradiction.

Hopefully I haven't done anything iffy.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on March 12, 2013, 08:07:11 pm
How would you prove the product of a rational number and an irrational number is irrational?

Thanks


FALSE



:P That's the only exception btw, gotta make sure that the rational number you are multiplying by is non-zero.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 13, 2013, 06:00:22 am
thanks laser, i got something a bit more complicated for the more multiplication one and it ended up being circular lol





wtf son oO

thanks :p
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 16, 2013, 10:16:17 am
Let and be polynomials with coefficients from a field F. Supposed m is less than or equal to n and define . Then g(x) can be written as

The point of that was to then show that the set of polynomials under the operations of addition and scalar multiplication is a vector space.

My question is how does defining let us write g(x) in terms of n's rather than m's?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 18, 2013, 06:22:45 am
How would you prove the sequence converges to 0? I'm supposing you need to use the epsilons and deltas but not really sure how to manipulate that inequality to get find N.

Note that this is an assignment question so I'm only after some hints :p

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on March 18, 2013, 11:40:11 am
My question is how does defining let us write g(x) in terms of n's rather than m's?


It's a bit too pedantic. I guess what the author must have been worried about is that and have a different number of terms, and so it doesn't really make sense to add a vector from to a vector from
How would you prove the sequence converges to 0? I'm supposing you need to use the epsilons and deltas but not really sure how to manipulate that inequality to get find N.

Note that this is an assignment question so I'm only after some hints :p



Seems quite weak, both terms go to zero so you can use linearity of limits.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 19, 2013, 12:28:44 pm
Yeah he makes it way more confusing I think. Like if m=n, then both polynomials would have the same number of terms and I can see how we could use 'n' rather than m. But he defines so there would be one less term for g(x).

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I think I'm supposed to prove that it goes to zero ('show that the sequence converges to zero by arguing directly from the definition of convergence'). Worth 3 marks  :P
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Lasercookie on March 19, 2013, 12:49:12 pm
I think I'm supposed to prove that it goes to zero ('show that the sequence converges to zero by arguing directly from the definition of convergence'). Worth 3 marks  :P
I'm assuming that you're just trying to make sure your answer was correct, but just to double check but you did submit the assignment yesterday right?

But yeah the way I approached it was to split it into two parts, and then showed that each part separately converges to zero (using the definition of convergence stuff), and since limits are linear then a_n converges to zero.

The assignment solutions (they're on wattle now) start off similar, but then use the triangle inequality to say that which I thought was a pretty interesting approach (definitely not one that came to my head)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 20, 2013, 04:47:16 pm
 
I'm assuming that you're just trying to make sure your answer was correct, but just to double check but you did submit the assignment yesterday right?
:P  :-[ :P :-[

I should stop trying to do the assignments on the day they're due haha.

Thanks...I think I'm gonna spend a bit more time trying to do it in a way I understand first but I've got so much other stuff to do. MUST STOP PROCRASTINATING
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on March 24, 2013, 09:27:03 am
Starting with the fraction 7 over 8, without simplifying the new fractions, I do one of two operations: I either add 8 to the numerator or I add 7 to the denominator. After multiple operations the fraction is 7 over 8 again. How many operations are it at least?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on March 24, 2013, 12:27:25 pm
So in other words you want to know the smallest non-trivial solution (x,y) in the non-negative integers such that:



Which is equivalent to:



But then since and are relatively prime this means divides and divides . So the smallest non-trivial solution must be and
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on March 26, 2013, 06:39:10 am
thx :D

got another one :D

Let z be the smallest possible number of a*b*c. a, b and c are all integers and a2=2b3=3c5.
By how many integers is z divisible including 1 and z?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on March 26, 2013, 01:05:25 pm
Translation error from German?

Is supposed to be the smallest element of the set ? Also should it be positive? (i.e should we also add the constraints ) ?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on March 26, 2013, 10:41:55 pm
1+0=1 which is not 0
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on March 27, 2013, 06:30:55 am
nah no translation error :/

z=a*b*c
a,b, and c are positive integers
a² = 2b³ = 3c5

By how many numbers is z divisible including 1 and z.

The answer is 60, but I'm not sure why :/
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on March 27, 2013, 10:51:26 am
1+0=1 which is not 0

Now before you judge me, I was half-awake when I posted that question.  :P
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on March 27, 2013, 09:34:53 pm
For proofs, do we have to use the same proof techniques that our lecturer taught us to do our assignment? If we use our own methods, would we still get the marks?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on March 28, 2013, 12:08:06 am
nah no translation error :/

z=a*b*c
a,b, and c are positive integers
a² = 2b³ = 3c5

By how many numbers is z divisible including 1 and z.

The answer is 60, but I'm not sure why :/

Well it seems that the answer could vary as there are many possibilities for but combining this data with your previous post it seems my original formulation of the problem is close to what you want, let me state it:

Problem: Let be the minimum element of the set . Find the number of divisors of .

Now why don't we just find and then count the divisors ?

It is clear that will only have prime divisors and (why?) Hence we can write , and for lack of better notation.

So we we really need to solve is the following system in the non-negative integers:





So what are the smallest possible non-negative integer solutions to these (i.e such that is a minimum) ? Well for the first one, one can see that we need to be a multiple of and to be a multiple of . But hey, so  is a minimal solution.

As for the second one, we need s to be a multiple of , and to be a multiple of . What do you know... hence we can take

So in fact:



Now the number of divisors is as there are 11 choices of a multiple of 2 at most 2^10 and 7 choices for a multiple of 3 at most 3^6

(i.e the number of divisors of is and not which gives the supposed correct answer of )

This seems like a very contrived problem, where is it from?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on March 28, 2013, 06:06:23 am
It's from an old paper from a Multiple Choice Math Competition that I'm attending next week. They give out the questions and answers, but want me to pay for the worked solutions. Getting in the 99.x%tiles atm :D

77 was an answer as well. Maybe it was just an error. Thx :D

So or my understanding:
If we have n=2x * 3y * 5z the number of divisors is (x+1)*(y+1)*(z+1) ?

From which 'part' of math did you learn this? discrete mathematics?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on March 28, 2013, 11:43:52 am
Quote
So or my understanding:
If we have n=2x * 3y * 5z the number of divisors is (x+1)*(y+1)*(z+1) ?

From which 'part' of math did you learn this? discrete mathematics?

Yeah it could count(pun!) as discrete mathematics I guess. I guess it is mentioned in some elementary number theory text books. That's really how the proof works, by number theory. A divisor of    must be of the form such that . There are choices for such an , namely (perhaps forgetting is where this company made a mistake) and hence different choices.

Of course this needs some justification, (how do you know every divisor is of such a form? how do you know different choices of f_k give different numbers (i.e no repetition) ?) All of this can be justified with unique prime factorization in the integers, which can be found in any elementary course/book/free website on number theory I guess.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: FlorianK on April 01, 2013, 07:39:45 am
Ok got another one :D
Let Z be the amount of 8 digit numbers of which all 8 digits are different from each other and from 0.
How many of those numbers are divisible by 9?

Z/8  |   Z/3   |   Z/9   |   8Z/9   |   7Z/8   |

and

a0=1, a1=2, an+2=an+ a²n+1 for n>=0

What is a2009 mod 7 ?


and

You have a 3*3 square (like a 9th of a soduku). In the middle, right field is a 47 and in the middle, bottom field is a 63. The sum of the numbers in each row, collum and diagonal is the same.
Which number is in the top, left field?


and

this one if probs like the one in the post where 77 was the answer:
z has 2 digits
t(z) is the number that is created when you put each divisor of z in a row including 1 and z
So t(14)=12714
How many digits has the largest value of t(z)?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on April 01, 2013, 02:10:17 pm
Quote
Let Z be the amount of 8 digit numbers of which all 8 digits are different from each other and from 0.
How many of those numbers are divisible by 9?

Z/8  |   Z/3   |   Z/9   |   8Z/9   |   7Z/8   |

There is a criterion: a number is divisible by 9 if and only if the sum of its digits is divisible by 9.

Hence we wish to find the number of 8 element sequences of distinct numbers in such that their sum is a multiple of 9. Now the sum of all such elements in D is . The only number from D that we can remove so that the sum is a multiple of 9 is 9 itself (removing any other number will make the sum not divisible by 9). Hence in fact we are counting permutations of numbers between 1-8. So there are 8! such 8-digit numbers. So what is Z? Well it is in fact (every such number can be uniquely obtained by permuting the 9 digits and removing the last one). So Z/9 is the ans.

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on April 03, 2013, 11:17:36 am
How to prove this by induction?

2^n > n^3
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on April 03, 2013, 01:09:17 pm
Is supposed to be a positive integer? (You can actually prove it for all integers but I am assuming this is what you mean).

You can verify it for small positive integers manually (these will be your base case). Then the following inductive step works whenever is large enough such that





So the point is:
Find such that for all we have . Then verify the inequality for
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on April 03, 2013, 02:46:20 pm
Can you expand the induction step please?

If we subbed in n= k+1 into n^3 < 2^n, how would we get to what you wrote?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: brightsky on April 03, 2013, 03:04:28 pm
2^n > n^3 --> note that this only holds for n greater or equal to 10.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on April 03, 2013, 05:13:38 pm
Okay so how would I prove by induction that this is true for n>= 10 though?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: brightsky on April 03, 2013, 05:42:48 pm
need to prove P(n): 2^n > n^3, for n>=10
check P(10): 2^10 > 10^3 or 1024 > 1000 is true
now assume P(k) is true, where k >= 10. we now need to prove that if this assumption is made, then P(k+1) is also true.
P(k): 2^k > k^3
P(k+1): 2^(k+1) > (k+1)^3 = k^3 + 3k^2 + 3k + 1
LHS = 2^(k+1)
=2*2^k
>2*k^3 (from inductive hypothesis)
= k^3 + k^3
>k^3 + 3k^2 + 3k + 1 (prove later that k^3 > 3k^2 + 3k + 1 for k>= 10)
=(k+1)^3
if all's well, then P(k+1) is also true, which means, according to the principle of maths induction, P(n) is true.

now we need to prove that k^3 > 3k^2 + 3k + 1, for k>= 10
now since k>= 10
k^3 = k*k^2 >= 10k^2 = 3k^2 + 3k^2 + 4k^2 which is obviously greater than 3k^2 + 3k + 1

QED
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on April 03, 2013, 06:44:16 pm
Here is a slightly quicker way to do the induction step, which is essentially what I did in the previous post. One can show that for we have . To prove this you can verify this holds for and then notice that it is a decreasing function of hence the expression remains less than . Hence can be proven via:

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 06, 2013, 10:54:47 pm
How would you show that when you rotate a square, the angles the edges make with the horizontal and vertical are equal? (i'm just assuming it's true :p)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: brightsky on April 06, 2013, 11:14:38 pm
draw a square around the square you are rotating. you will get 4 congruent triangles.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 07, 2013, 01:58:51 am
is there a non-visual proof?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on April 07, 2013, 01:12:02 pm
How would you show that when you rotate a square, the angles the edges make with the horizontal and vertical are equal? (i'm just assuming it's true :p)

Can you be a bit more specific? Is the rotation by any angle? Which horizontal and vertical are we talking about? And which angle specifically?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 07, 2013, 06:23:12 pm
Can you be a bit more specific? Is the rotation by any angle? Which horizontal and vertical are we talking about? And which angle specifically?

i suppose so. by horizontal and vertical lines i mean the edges of the square you draw around it after rotation
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on April 10, 2013, 08:37:33 pm
How do I do d^4/dt^4 (e^(-t) cos(2t))? Thank you
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: brightsky on April 10, 2013, 09:25:22 pm
d^4/dt^4 (e^(-t) cos(2t))
= d^4/dt^4 (e^(-t) Re(e^(2it))
= Re [d^4/dt^4 (e^(-t)*e^(2it))]
= Re [d^4/dt^4 (e^(t(-1 + 2i)))]
= Re [(-1 + 2i)^4*e^(-t)*e^(2it)]
= e^(-t) Re [(-7+24i) (cos(2t) + i*sin(2t))]
= e^(-t) [-7cos(2t)-24sin(2t)]
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Jeggz on April 10, 2013, 09:41:23 pm
How do I do d^4/dt^4 (e^(-t) cos(2t))? Thank you











Edit: Majorly Beaten  :P
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on April 11, 2013, 08:46:02 pm
Thanks guys. Also, can someone explain to me how

Re(1+sqrt(3)i)^51 can be written as -2^51

and

Im(1+i)^75 can be written as 2^37?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: polar on April 11, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
Thanks guys. Also, can someone explain to me how

Re(1+sqrt(3)i)^51 can be written as -2^51

and

Im(1+i)^75 can be written as 2^37?

hint: use de moivre's theorem
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 27, 2013, 08:19:04 pm
Assignment question:

Using Cauchy's Mean Value Theorem, prove that for some

Don't know where to start with this one...right-hand side looks like the first few terms of the Taylor series but I don't think that's relevant here  :P
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on April 29, 2013, 10:27:37 pm
This actually is one form of a Taylor Series error term for a linear approximation. There are general estimates like this for an nth order approximation.

I know that probably doesn't help (or maybe it does?).
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 30, 2013, 12:46:55 am
Nope! :D
We haven't covered Taylor series yet. I think the only way to do for now is to actually use the hint which suggests to consider F(x)=f(x) - f(c) - f'(c)(x-c) and G(x) = (x-c)^2, but I wanted to see if it could be done (and how) without that.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on April 30, 2013, 11:46:55 am
I see, that  makes it easier I guess. Without the hint it would probably be a bit of a stretch to come up with it yourself.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on May 02, 2013, 09:01:25 pm
How do I do this question?
Find the orthogonal projection of (x,y,z) onto the subspace of R^3 spanned by the vectors (1,2,2),(-2,2-1).

I got (5x-2y+4z,-2x+8y+2z,4x+2y+5z), but in the answers there's a 1/9 multiplied to my answer. Maybe I used the wrong formula?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on May 02, 2013, 11:42:22 pm
I havn't done the calculation myself, but I notice that the two vectors are of norm . So perhaps you forgot to divide out by the norm.

Seeing that you actually GOT an answer (and presumably not the right one) you should actually show us WHAT YOU DID so that we know whether you "used the wrong formula".
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on May 03, 2013, 12:24:24 am
Could I please get some suggestions on how to carry out this integration :p

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on May 04, 2013, 08:55:28 pm
I havn't done the calculation myself, but I notice that the two vectors are of norm . So perhaps you forgot to divide out by the norm.

Seeing that you actually GOT an answer (and presumably not the right one) you should actually show us WHAT YOU DID so that we know whether you "used the wrong formula".

I don't know how to write maths on my computer.

Is this the right formula? projw(u) = <v,u1>u1 + <v,u2>u2 + ... + <v,uk>uk where {u1,u2,...,u3} is an orthonormal basis for W.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on May 04, 2013, 10:26:18 pm
Yes that is correct, so did you find an orthonormal basis for your subspace? Note that the vectors you started with aren't orthonormal so you can't just take those as your u1,u2 (if that is what you did).
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on May 05, 2013, 06:55:07 pm
1) Let A be a 50x49 matrix and B be a 49x50 matrix.  Show that the matrix AB is not invertible.

If A is a 50x50 matrix then shouldn't it be invertible?

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2) If A is an nxn matrix such that , show that is invertible and find an expression for [itex](A+I_n)^{-1}[/itex]

It was suggested I use the geometric series but I haven't learnt that yet so I'm hoping there's an alternative method.

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3) Define [itex]e^A=I_n+A+\frac{1}{2!}A^2+\frac{1}{3!}A^3+...+\frac{1}{2012!}A2012[/itex]
where A is an nxn matrix such that [itex]A^{2013}=0[/itex]. Show that [itex]e^A[/itex] is invertible and find an expression for [itex](e^A)^{-1}[/itex] in terms of A.

...'bout to attempt this one again but I just know I'm not gonna get far...so here it is...

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3) Show that and use this to show that the limit as approaches infinity is infinity. n is any positive integer.

For the first part, I did used the previous result and inserted an 'n' with no justification of where I put it and then multiplied by . Is this valid?
I'm not sure how to do the limit part though.

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on May 06, 2013, 08:31:09 pm
1) This should be a good lesson in thinking of matrices as linear transformations on a vector space rather than some silly box of with numbers! Here is one argument you may use: where Rank is the dimension of the image. But of course the dimension of the image must be 50 dimensional if the matrix was invertible, so it cannot be.

2)

Quote
It was suggested I use the geometric series but I haven't learnt that yet so I'm hoping there's an alternative method.

Would proving the geometric series identity without using the phrase "geometric series" count as an "alternative" method? Geometric series is just polynomial factorization really. The polynomial has as a root, hence it must be divisible , therefore there must be some some identity and so . Compute P(X) by equating coefficients and out comes your formula for the geometric series!

3)
Quote

What's itex? Btw is this the same from before? Because there is in fact a matrix exponential e^A and it agrees with your formula if . For real numbers x you already know that so it's good to sometimes use such an Ansatz.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on May 06, 2013, 09:07:34 pm
How do I prove that this transformation is linear? T:R^3 -> M2,2 given by T(x,y,z)=[y z; -x 0]?

And by [y z; -x 0] I mean
[y  z]
[-x 0]
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: humph on May 07, 2013, 12:05:08 pm
1) Let A be a 50x49 matrix and B be a 49x50 matrix.  Show that the matrix AB is not invertible.

If A is a 50x50 matrix then shouldn't it be invertible?

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2) If A is an nxn matrix such that , show that is invertible and find an expression for [itex](A+I_n)^{-1}[/itex]

It was suggested I use the geometric series but I haven't learnt that yet so I'm hoping there's an alternative method.

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3) Define [itex]e^A=I_n+A+\frac{1}{2!}A^2+\frac{1}{3!}A^3+...+\frac{1}{2012!}A2012[/itex]
where A is an nxn matrix such that [itex]A^{2013}=0[/itex]. Show that [itex]e^A[/itex] is invertible and find an expression for [itex](e^A)^{-1}[/itex] in terms of A.

...'bout to attempt this one again but I just know I'm not gonna get far...so here it is...

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3) Show that and use this to show that the limit as approaches infinity is infinity. n is any positive integer.

For the first part, I did used the previous result and inserted an 'n' with no justification of where I put it and then multiplied by . Is this valid?
I'm not sure how to do the limit part though.


Bahahaha. Are these MATH1115 questions? I remember teaching these two years ago :P (the only difference was that 2013 was replaced by 2011, for obvious reasons...).

For what it's worth, most people got these wrong (though that may have been my fault for talking about exponentials and logarithms - people tried to think about those without realising that they are quite different notions when defined for matrices).
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on May 14, 2013, 10:36:29 pm
What are the eigenvalues for this matrix?
2 -3 6
0 5 -6
0 1 0

I got 2,2,3,5 but the answer only accepts 2,2,3 and not 5.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: b^3 on May 14, 2013, 10:41:49 pm

(expanded down the first column)
Not sure where you got the from.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on June 20, 2013, 08:26:14 am
In evaluating , is it valid to rewrite it as and say that it equals 0 cause the bottom goes to infinity?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Leip on June 20, 2013, 11:40:49 am
I guess it is valid, but what argument are you using to show that the denominator goes to infinty?

If you are using the argument that is exponential in t and is polynomial in t (monomial even), couldn't you do that without rewriting it?

In any case, I would start by taking the x in the denominator outside the limit. From there, if you want to show things more explicitly, maybe you could consider applying l'Hopitals rule and induct (i.e. show that upon repetition of l'Hopitals rule the numerator becomes constant in t).
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on June 20, 2013, 03:17:52 pm
I guess it is valid, but what argument are you using to show that the denominator goes to infinty?

Bah, that gets me no where then.

If you are using the argument that is exponential in t and is polynomial in t (monomial even), couldn't you do that without rewriting it?

In any case, I would start by taking the x in the denominator outside the limit. From there, if you want to show things more explicitly, maybe you could consider applying l'Hopitals rule and induct (i.e. show that upon repetition of l'Hopitals rule the numerator becomes constant in t).

I was a bit hesitant in using l'Hopital's rule cause I thought that came after the chapter I'm on but turns out it was a couple of chapters back :p

So we would apply the rule x number of times until the numerator goes to 1 (taking out the constants of course) and then have 1/e^t, which would go to 0
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on June 20, 2013, 06:38:53 pm
What's your definition of ? If it is a power series then you can just notice it from the power series. For instance you can notice that where . Then we have a bound:

as since
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Leip on June 20, 2013, 09:18:37 pm
I was a bit hesitant in using l'Hopital's rule cause I thought that came after the chapter I'm on but turns out it was a couple of chapters back :p

So we would apply the rule x number of times until the numerator goes to 1 (taking out the constants of course) and then have 1/e^t, which would go to 0

L'Hopital's is so often useful, you just have to be careful to remember what it does so that you don't overuse it. I like to think of it as comparing similar order terms in the Taylor expansion of both the numerator and denominator. Sometimes it is better to use the Taylor expansions directly.

But it's fairly straight forward in this case, and you can even leave the constants in since they work out nicely to x!.















Btw, I sure hope x is a positive integer! :)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on June 21, 2013, 02:26:27 pm
excellent, thanks

@kamil: nah, it's from integrating the gamma function . am not up to power series yet
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 06, 2013, 07:10:09 am
Could I please get some pointers on how to show that where Jn is an nxn matrix with all entries comtaining a 1 and I is the identity matrix. Thanks

Edit fixed missing power

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on July 06, 2013, 05:51:25 pm
Doesn't seem right, perhaps something is missing on the left of the of the parenthesis? (Otherwise why would they be there?)

If it was true it would imply that by cancelling out the
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 07, 2013, 09:06:26 pm
Sorry the lhs should be the inverse of the difference of the two matrices
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on July 07, 2013, 09:24:53 pm
I see, so in other words we want to see that the following is the identity matrix:






Now use the relation which follows because the entries of are
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 09, 2013, 08:50:45 am
I see, so in other words we want to see that the following is the identity matrix:






Now use the relation which follows because the entries of are

Thanks - I thought we had to somehow derive that equation/identity(?) from scratch.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on July 09, 2013, 10:30:33 am
In other words, you are asking how would one solve the following problem without being given the answer: "What is the inverse of ?"

One possible way is to find the eigenspaces of . One can see that the rank of is so the nullspace is dimensional and so there is at most one other eigenspace and it is of dimension . By inspection is an eigenvalue with eigenvector . Thus there is a matrix such that



It follows that:



So

Now you just need to find what actually was from diagonalization. At least this gives a natural explanation of how appears!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 23, 2013, 11:04:39 am
I don't follow this proof of the principle of mathematical induction:

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Theorem:
For each positive integer n, let P(n) be a statement. If
1) P(1) is true and
2) the implication if P(k), then P(k+1) is rue for every positive integer k,
then P(n) is true for every positive integer n.

Proof:
Assume that the theorem is false. Then conditions 1 and 2 are satisfied but there exists some positie integers n for which P(n) is a false statement. Let S={n∈N: P(n) is false}. Since S is a nonempty subset of N, it follows by the well-ordering principle that S contains a least element s. Since P(1) is true, 1∉S. Thus s≧2 and (s-1) is in N. Therefore (s-1)∉S and so P(s-1) is a true statement. By condition (2), P(s) is also true and s∉S. However, this contradicts our assumption that s∈S.

I don't get the bolded bit. Is there any significance to saying (s-1) is in N? Are they not all in N? I don't see how (s-1)∉S follows - I get it if s is 2 because 1 isn't in S but how do you know it holds for s>2?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: mark_alec on July 23, 2013, 11:11:13 am
s is the smallest natural number for which the statement P(s) is false. Since P(1) is true (statement #1), s must be greater than or equal to 2. Since s >=2, s-1 is a natural number and we know that P(s-1) is also true; but by statement #2 if P(s-1) is true, then P(s) must also be true. Hence we have a contradiction and S must be an empty set.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 24, 2013, 08:07:57 am
s is the smallest natural number for which the statement P(s) is false. Since P(1) is true (statement #1), s must be greater than or equal to 2. Since s >=2, s-1 is a natural number and we know that P(s-1) is also true; but by statement #2 if P(s-1) is true, then P(s) must also be true. Hence we have a contradiction and S must be an empty set.

How do we know P(s-1) is also true for all s>2? And why is it necessary to state s-1 is a natural number, aren't they all natural numbers?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on July 24, 2013, 11:53:33 am
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I don't get the bolded bit. Is there any significance to saying (s-1) is in N? Are they not all in N?

If then and so doesn't make sense because of the hypothesis:

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For each positive integer n, let P(n) be a statement.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 25, 2013, 09:13:52 pm
But didn't we already say s>=2?

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IN evaluating , why don't the substitutions give the same answer?

I get when using the substitutions involving and when using the ones involving . May well have made a mistake somewhere but if I did I don't see it, I've gone over the calculations a poopload of times now.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: lzxnl on July 25, 2013, 10:13:35 pm
Firstly, e^x > 0. I'll denote e^x with y and y>0.
Now cot y = 1/(tan y)
Therefore arccot (cot y) = y = arcccot(1/tan y) = arccot (cot y)
But tan y = 1/ cot y so y=arctan(1/cot y)
So arctan(1/cot y) = arccot (cot y)
arctan 1/y = arccot y = pi/2 - arctan y
Therefore arctan 1/y and -arctan y differ by a constant, so when integrating these two forms are equivalent.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on July 26, 2013, 04:40:23 pm
But didn't we already say s>=2?


Yes that was the reason why .

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Since s >=2, s-1 is a natural number...
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 06, 2013, 09:45:31 am
Firstly, e^x > 0. I'll denote e^x with y and y>0.
Now cot y = 1/(tan y)
Therefore arccot (cot y) = y = arcccot(1/tan y) = arccot (cot y)
But tan y = 1/ cot y so y=arctan(1/cot y)
So arctan(1/cot y) = arccot (cot y)
arctan 1/y = arccot y = pi/2 - arctan y
Therefore arctan 1/y and -arctan y differ by a constant, so when integrating these two forms are equivalent.

Thanks - so the missing C has been the culprit all along?  :P

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Show that the sequence converges to zero by arguing directly from the definition of convergence.



Can we solve for explicitly?

The solution given does it another way, which was demand that from which follows. How would you show that the second inequality follow from n>2? It's fairly obvious but how would you prove it, and also, could we had ? Or 4n? Likewise, can we 'demand' n be greater than any arbitrary natural number rather than 1?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on August 06, 2013, 03:20:35 pm
for

And sure, since we only care about how it behaves as is large we could have restricted ourselves to and obtained a similair inequality. But that isn't necessary, this was good enough.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on August 07, 2013, 09:15:16 pm
How do I prove that the sequence defined by sn+1 = (sn^3 + 2)/7 is contractive?

I know that I need to show that |sn+1 - sn| ≤ k|sn - sn-1|.

So I've managed to get up to this point
sn+1 - sn = (sn^3 - sn-1^3)/7.
How do I proceed from here? And what would the value of k be?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on August 07, 2013, 10:20:43 pm
what's the initial value?

There's a factorization:



So we want to study and show that it is bounded below some number strictly less than . So it would be good to know the initial values.

Alternatively using a bit more theory (the mean value theorem). One knows that


for some . Thus if we can bound then we know that:



and of course we are thinking here of being the function
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Deleted User on August 08, 2013, 07:58:30 pm
s1 is ∈ (0,1).

And sorry I don't really understand the contraction theorem either so could you explain why has to be strictly less than 7? Thakns.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 09, 2013, 08:02:38 pm
for

And sure, since we only care about how it behaves as is large we could have restricted ourselves to and obtained a similair inequality. But that isn't necessary, this was good enough.

Thanks...if we didn't use this 'trick', is it possible to solve for ? How messy would it be? :p
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 10, 2013, 02:42:59 pm
Does it make sense to talk of a union of a set with one of its subsets?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: BubbleWrapMan on August 10, 2013, 04:47:40 pm
Does it make sense to talk of a union of a set with one of its subsets?

It makes sense, it's just redundant because .
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 11, 2013, 01:04:56 am
thanks Timmeh. just realised i misread some definitions relating to the problem i was attempting and so defining redundant sets won't be necessary :o

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How do you evaluate ?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 12, 2013, 03:56:37 am
When proving by induction, when you assume P(n) is true, this only applies for P(n), right?
You can't assume P(n-1) as well...just want to make sure cause only way it's the only way I know how do one of the assignment questions   :D
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Lasercookie on August 12, 2013, 05:35:52 am
When proving by induction, when you assume P(n) is true, this only applies for P(n), right?
You can't assume P(n-1) as well...just want to make sure cause only way it's the only way I know how do one of the assignment questions   :D
There's the idea of strong induction where you show that P(k), P(k+1), ..., P(n) are true, then P(n+1) is true for some . Page 4 and 5 of the first set of linear algebra lecture notes for 1116 also has an explanation there too.

I like this analogy from here http://mathcircle.berkeley.edu/BMC4/Handouts/induct/node6.html
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The difference is in what you need to assume in the induction step. For ordinary induction--in the ladder metaphor--you simply go from the rung you are on up to the next one. For strong induction, you need to know that all the rungs below the rung you are on are solid in order to step up. As a practical matter, both have the same logical strength when you apply them - since as you climb up the ladder from the bottom rung, you sweep through all the intermediate rungs anyway.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 13, 2013, 08:19:01 am
Ah thanks laser. How're you finding the calculus part by the way? the notes look insane lol
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Lasercookie on August 13, 2013, 07:39:18 pm
Ah thanks laser. How're you finding the calculus part by the way? the notes look insane lol
Yeah, I'm finding it pretty interesting. Its mostly the suggested questions from that Trench Real Analysis book where I've been spending the most time on. I've also been reading through Spivak Calculus (the last part of it is basically what we're covering now) and a couple of other books too.

I wish the Linear Algebra part of the course would speed up the pace though, I really hope we're done with chapter 4 of the book now.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 15, 2013, 08:43:58 pm
Yeah, I'm finding it pretty interesting. Its mostly the suggested questions from that Trench Real Analysis book where I've been spending the most time on. I've also been reading through Spivak Calculus (the last part of it is basically what we're covering now) and a couple of other books too.

I wish the Linear Algebra part of the course would speed up the pace though, I really hope we're done with chapter 4 of the book now.

Haha, most of the time I've spent so far on the calculus part is trying to decipher the notes!

One plus is that the pace of LA gives me time to wrap my head round the calc stuff  :P
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on August 17, 2013, 04:48:11 am
Having a go at Trench's questions...all feedback is appreciated  :D

Question 7 from 4.1
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7) Suppose that (finite) and, for each for large n. Show that

Der Versuch
By hypothesis,   such that and

by the triangle inequality (should I reorder that around? I added first rather than add and subtract to use the triangle inequaliy).

and hence by definition of the limit.




Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on October 06, 2013, 01:32:33 am
Assignment question:

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6560/yf6j.jpg)

If I'm not wrong, we're supposed to prove this , right? If so, anyone feel like pointing me in the right direction? I'm thinking perhaps mean value theorem only because I've seen them used to prove inequalities but still not quite sure how to apply that here.

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Lasercookie on October 06, 2013, 11:56:17 am
Assignment question:

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6560/yf6j.jpg)

If I'm not wrong, we're supposed to prove this , right? If so, anyone feel like pointing me in the right direction? I'm thinking perhaps mean value theorem only because I've seen them used to prove inequalities but still not quite sure how to apply that here.
I was stuck on this one too. The way I've gone about it is to have a close look at the hint (you can see what it says in the hint is true by substituting in the equation we have for the unit tangent vector and using the various properties of dot products), the equation we're told to consider and also look at the results you proved in the previous parts of the question (you can see they carry over the multivariable case if you start off with x(t,s) etc. instead of x(s) with your proof of those).

I had this theorem pointed out to me, but you can interchange the order that you take the partial derivatives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_of_second_derivatives#Formal_expressions_of_symmetry I haven't been able to prove this yet, I'm assuming it's in the textbook somewhere.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on October 06, 2013, 02:38:25 pm
Thanks - did you end up using the mean value theorem at all? I probably should finish off the other parts- did not immediately see how they were relevant to the last one (aside from the fact these are all parts of one question :p) until you pointed it out.

Wasn't that proven in the lectures? I'd thought of that too but it didn't really help, plus I wasn't 100% sure that the functions satisfied the necessary conditions. But x is infinitely differentiable, so that implies continuity therefore the symmetry between the second partials exist...yeah? But perhaps I should do all the previous questions before attempting this one hahaha

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By the way, in the section on arc length parametrisation in the notes
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2630/ckyl.jpg)

Is the variable 's' meant to be time or length? Because there's  which seems to say s is a dummy variable for time, but in line 4 seems to imply that s is a length.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: nubs on October 06, 2013, 09:43:30 pm
Is it possible to express the solutions to 1+e^x*cos(x) = 0 as a general solution?
Or 1+e^x*sin(x)=0?

Something similar to sin(x)=0, so the general solution would be x=n*pi where n is an element of Z

Thanks!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on October 08, 2013, 05:22:35 pm
I was stuck on this one too. The way I've gone about it is to have a close look at the hint (you can see what it says in the hint is true by substituting in the equation we have for the unit tangent vector and using the various properties of dot products), the equation we're told to consider and also look at the results you proved in the previous parts of the question (you can see they carry over the multivariable case if you start off with x(t,s) etc. instead of x(s) with your proof of those).

I had this theorem pointed out to me, but you can interchange the order that you take the partial derivatives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_of_second_derivatives#Formal_expressions_of_symmetry I haven't been able to prove this yet, I'm assuming it's in the textbook somewhere.

I got up to a point where I had to show that the but I couldn't finish it in time. Have huge doubts on the validity of my arguments though.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 13, 2014, 09:29:23 pm
Find the Jordan canonical form of an nxn matrix A whose entries are all equal to 1.

I suppose first thing you to do would be to calculate det(A-eI)=0 to find the eigenvalues e?
I don't know my determinant stuffs well but from playing around with an eigenvalue calculator, would the eigenvalues be 0,...,n?

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 14, 2014, 12:31:31 pm
It's good to firstly look at the rank. We have as all the rows are the same. This means that the kernel of is dimensional. Thus we have linearly independent eigenvectors with eigenvalue . This tells us that there is at most one more eigenvalue and the corresponding eigenspace is one dimensional. We can find it by inspection, but another way would be to use the fact that the sum of the eigenvalues (counted with multiplicity) is the trace. Thus so we have that the eigenvalues are lots of and one . Since we have linearly independent eigenvectors, this tells us that the JNF is diagonal, so the JNF is the diagonal matrix with diagonal 0,0,0,0..0,n
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 17, 2014, 07:09:06 am
Thanks kamil - but how did you get the eigenvalue 0?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kamil9876 on February 17, 2014, 11:15:27 am
Because, as I said, has kernel of dimension . Therefore we can find linearly independent vectors such that , i.e . So these are eigenvectors with eigenvalue .
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 24, 2014, 03:36:17 am
This one feels like it should be really easy - express in terms of hyperbolic functions
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: lzxnl on February 24, 2014, 08:06:00 am
This one feels like it should be really easy - express in terms of hyperbolic functions

Isn't artanh x [tex] ln\frac{1-x }{1+x} [/tex} or something?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: brightsky on February 24, 2014, 09:17:06 am
Let y = f(x) = tanhx = (e^x - e^(-x))/(e^x + e^(-x))
To find arctanhx, swap x and y.
x = (e^y - e^(-y))/(e^y + e^(-y))
x (e^y + e^(-y)) = (e^y - e^(-y))
x e^(2y) + x = e^(2y) - 1
(1 - x) e^(2y) = 1 + x
y = 1/2 ln((1+x)/(1-x))
So arctanhx = 1/2 ln((1+x)/(1-x))
So it seems that ln((2+2x)/(1-x)) = 2(ln2 + arctanhx)

EDIT: Error corrected.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: lzxnl on February 24, 2014, 01:37:11 pm
Let y = f(x) = tanhx = (e^x - e^(-x))/(e^x + e^(-x))
To find arctanhx, swap x and y.
x = (e^y - e^(-y))/(e^y + e^(-y))
x (e^y + e^(-y)) = (e^y - e^(-y))
x e^(2y) + x = e^(2y) - 1
(1 - x) e^(2y) = 1 + x
y = 1/2 ln((1+x)/(1-x))
So arctanhx = 1/2 ln((1+x)/(1-x))
So it seems that ln((2+2x)/(1-x)) = 2ln2 arctanhx

Crap. I knew I forgot something there. However your final step is flawed. You mean 2 (ln 2 + artanh x) right?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 25, 2014, 09:01:33 am
Thanks, I hadn't looked at arctanh yet...I got
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on February 25, 2014, 03:07:23 pm
If , and is the complement of in , does ?

Don't know why the tex part isn't working but I'm asking if the union of A and the complement A^c equal to X
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Einstein on February 25, 2014, 03:57:39 pm
i know this isn't specifically a maths question but, is it good to do say methods a bit every night - like 1 hour or so, even if you have a sac coming up, for say chemistry? cheers
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: brightsky on February 25, 2014, 06:31:13 pm
Crap. I knew I forgot something there. However your final step is flawed. You mean 2 (ln 2 + artanh x) right?

Woops! Of course. Cheers lzxnl!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kinslayer on February 27, 2014, 03:37:23 pm
If , and is the complement of in , does ?

Don't know why the tex part isn't working but I'm asking if the union of A and the complement A^c equal to X

Yes. x is in X \ A = A^c if and only if x is in X and x is not in A.

x is in the union of two sets if and only if x is in either one of the sets.

So x is in A union A^c, if and only if 1) x is in X (since A and A^c are both subsets of X) and 2) x is in A, or x is not in A.

2) is a tautology (it is satisfied by any x), so it follows A union A^c is the same set as X.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on March 14, 2014, 10:49:35 pm
Can someone please help me with this question?
a positive integer has two digits. The sum of its squares of the digits is 34. The integer formed by reversing the digits is 18 less than the original number. What is the integer?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: RKTR on March 14, 2014, 11:15:26 pm
53?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kinslayer on March 15, 2014, 12:04:00 am
Can someone please help me with this question?
a positive integer has two digits. The sum of its squares of the digits is 34. The integer formed by reversing the digits is 18 less than the original number. What is the integer?

Let a,b be nonnegative integers and express the number of interest as x = 10a + b

Then a^2 + b^2 = 34 and also 10a + b - 18 = 10b + a, or equivalently, a - b = 2

Solve simultaneously to find a=5, b=3, so that x = 53.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on March 15, 2014, 04:46:04 pm
Thankyou!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on March 15, 2014, 04:47:01 pm
How about this question:
F ind the mean of x,y and z if 2x+2y+18=4z, in terms of z
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: RKTR on March 15, 2014, 04:55:31 pm
2x+2y=4z-18
x+y=2z-9
Mean=(x+y+z)/3
        =(3z-9)/3
         =z-3
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on March 15, 2014, 04:59:25 pm
Of course! Thank you so much ^_ ^
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 17, 2014, 01:23:50 pm
How do you evaluate ? Tried L'hopital's rule but ended with something like and differentiating top and bottom just gives pretty much the same thing
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: lzxnl on March 17, 2014, 02:12:11 pm
How do you evaluate ? Tried L'hopital's rule but ended with something like and differentiating top and bottom just gives pretty much the same thing

If you take out a factor of 3^x from the bracket, you get (1+(2/3)^x)^(1/x)×3. The bracket approaches 1 and the power approaches 0 so your final limit is 3.
Alternatively, your function is bounded between (3^x+0)^(1/x) and (3^x+3^x)^(1/x). Either of those limits should be easier to do.

L hopital's rule doesn't solve all limits unfortunately.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on March 17, 2014, 08:20:03 pm
Thanks, brah!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on March 29, 2014, 09:21:08 pm
If the edges of a rectangular box were increased by 1cm, 2cm and 3cm respectively, the box would become a cube and its capacity would be increased by 101 cubic cm. Find the dimensions of the rectangular box.
How would I go about doing this question?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: RKTR on March 30, 2014, 12:29:07 am
If the edges of a rectangular box were increased by 1cm, 2cm and 3cm respectively, the box would become a cube and its capacity would be increased by 101 cubic cm. Find the dimensions of the rectangular box.
How would I go about doing this question?

let sides of cube=x ,volume of cube = x^3

dimensions of rectangular box = x-1,x-2,x-3  , volume of rectangular box = (x-1)(x-2)(x-3) = x^3-6x^2+11x-6

V of cube - V of rectangular box =101
6x^2-11x+6=101
6x^2-11x-95=0
(6x+19)(x-5)=0
x=-19/6 or x=5
x>0 therefore x=5
dimensions of rectangular box =4 cm , 3 cm , 2 cm
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on April 05, 2014, 10:11:04 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on April 05, 2014, 10:12:17 pm
How do you do this question?
The volume of a solid sphere varies directly as the cube of its radius. The building material of three spheres with radii 3 cm, 4 cm and 5 cm is melted and a new sphere is then made. Find the radius of this new sphere.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on April 05, 2014, 10:23:48 pm
How about this one:
Give that y varies directly with (ax-2) find the value of a if x=3 and y=2; and if x=4 and y=4
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 09, 2014, 08:31:25 am
^ just plug in the given values of x and y and solve for a


how do you get from antidifferentiating   i'm getting from substitution + partial fractions but the plot doesn't fully agree with the solution wolframalpha gave
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 09, 2014, 07:41:26 pm
Is the intersection of finitely many closed sets closed? I'm aware it is for a 'collections of sets' but I'm not sure if this means that it has to be an infinite collection or it can be finite.
In general, if something is stated for an indexed collection of sets, does it mean it applies to both finitely many and infinitely many sets?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: lzxnl on April 09, 2014, 09:19:20 pm
^ just plug in the given values of x and y and solve for a


how do you get from antidifferentiating   i'm getting from substitution + partial fractions but the plot doesn't fully agree with the solution wolframalpha gave

Erm...I don't think I quite understand your answer. I don't think you're meant to get a spare (1+cos x) term anywhere. Is that under another log or something?

dx/sin x => sin x dx/(1-cos^2 x)
Let u = cos x, du = -sin x dx
Integral becomes du/(u^2-1) => du/2 (1/(u-1) - 1/(u+1)) => 1/2 ln(1-cos x) - 1/2 ln(1+cos x) after integrating and back subbing
That's what you meant, right?

OR you can do this
1/(sin x)
Sub t = tan x/2 (dirtiest substitution trick in the book)
You can show quite easily that tan x = 2t/(1-t^2), sin x = 2t/(1+t^2) and cos x = (1-t^2)/(1+t^2) , dx = 2 dt/(1+t^2)
so our integral becomes (1+t^2)/2t * 2dt/(1+t^2)
The 1+t^2 terms drop off
so our integral is just dt/t
We're left with just ln (tan x/2) which really should appear as ln(sin (x/2)) - ln(cos(x/2))
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 09, 2014, 09:58:19 pm
Erm...I don't think I quite understand your answer. I don't think you're meant to get a spare (1+cos x) term anywhere. Is that under another log or something?

dx/sin x => sin x dx/(1-cos^2 x)
Let u = cos x, du = -sin x dx
Integral becomes du/(u^2-1) => du/2 (1/(u-1) - 1/(u+1)) => 1/2 ln(1-cos x) - 1/2 ln(1+cos x) after integrating and back subbing
That's what you meant, right?

Yeah, typo - was in a hurry when I was writing that


OR you can do this
1/(sin x)
Sub t = tan x/2 (dirtiest substitution trick in the book)
You can show quite easily that tan x = 2t/(1-t^2), sin x = 2t/(1+t^2) and cos x = (1-t^2)/(1+t^2) , dx = 2 dt/(1+t^2)
so our integral becomes (1+t^2)/2t * 2dt/(1+t^2)
The 1+t^2 terms drop off
so our integral is just dt/t
We're left with just ln (tan x/2) which really should appear as ln(sin (x/2)) - ln(cos(x/2))

'World's sneakiest substitution' haha. How come the two aren't 'exactly' the same though?
The bold plot is of the function obtained from the dirty sub.

Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: lzxnl on April 10, 2014, 05:05:33 pm
Try putting the absolute value signs now in the logs. I don't think I did that.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on April 12, 2014, 02:28:08 am
ah yeah  ;D thanks lxznl
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Is the intersection of finitely many closed sets closed? I'm aware it is for a 'collections of sets' but I'm not sure if this means that it has to be an infinite collection or it can be finite.
In general, if something is stated for an indexed collection of sets, does it mean it applies to both finitely many and infinitely many sets?
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: idontknow2298 on April 26, 2014, 10:33:40 pm
Can someone please help with this question:
If z varies directly as x when y is constant and inversely as y when x is constant and if z=8 when x=4 and y=2, find z when x=3 and y= 1/3
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kinslayer on April 26, 2014, 11:09:30 pm
Is the intersection of finitely many closed sets closed? I'm aware it is for a 'collections of sets' but I'm not sure if this means that it has to be an infinite collection or it can be finite.
In general, if something is stated for an indexed collection of sets, does it mean it applies to both finitely many and infinitely many sets?

An intersection of arbitrarily many closed sets is closed. A union of arbitrarily many open sets is open.

An intersection of finitely many open sets is open, while a union of finitely many closed sets is closed.

An interesection of infinitely many open sets need not be open:   converges to . Similar counterexamples exist for an infinite union of closed sets.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: TrueTears on May 01, 2014, 06:15:38 am
Is the intersection of finitely many closed sets closed? I'm aware it is for a 'collections of sets' but I'm not sure if this means that it has to be an infinite collection or it can be finite.
Yes. In fact, it holds even stronger than that, the intersection of any arbitrary collection (could be infinite) of closed sets is closed. The proof is very straightforward, just a simple application of De Morgan's laws and the relation between open/closed sets.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 09, 2014, 05:29:45 pm
How would you evaluate this without using trigonometric or hyperbolic substitutions? Also for (I tried u=x^2+a^2 and ended up with an integral of the second form)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kinslayer on July 09, 2014, 05:42:11 pm
How would you evaluate this without using trigonometric or hyperbolic substitutions? Also for (I tried u=x^2+a^2 and ended up with an integral of the second form)





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Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Zlatan on July 09, 2014, 07:42:21 pm
A florist has to make a floral arrangement. She has 6 Banksias, 5 wattles and 4 Waratahs. All the flowers of each kind are different.In how many ways can the florist make a bunch of 10 flowers if she has to use at least 3 of each kind ?

Thanks
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kinslayer on July 10, 2014, 02:23:27 am
A florist has to make a floral arrangement. She has 6 Banksias, 5 wattles and 4 Waratahs. All the flowers of each kind are different.In how many ways can the florist make a bunch of 10 flowers if she has to use at least 3 of each kind ?

Thanks

Combinatorics isn't my strong point, but let's go anyway.

By the multiplication principle, there are: ways to choose the first nine spots of the floral arrangement.

There are 6 flowers left to choose from, and there is a different floral arrangement for each flower chosen. We've already counted the number of ways these flowers can be included in the initial 9, so the total number of arrangements is simply

e: fixed mistake
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: Zlatan on July 10, 2014, 06:49:51 pm
Ummm .... I'm not too familiar with Combinatorics either. So could you explain it in better detail ? Thanks anyways for this answer anyway !!!!! :)
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: kinslayer on July 11, 2014, 12:53:52 pm
Ummm .... I'm not too familiar with Combinatorics either. So could you explain it in better detail ? Thanks anyways for this answer anyway !!!!! :)

No problem, I am basically just using combinations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination

and the multiplication principle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_product

I looked at the first nine spots because it's simply the product of combinations.

There are ways to choose 3 banksias out of 6 banksias, then there are ways to choose 3 wattles out of 5 wattles, then there are ways to choose 3 waratahs out of 4 waratahs.

Since each way of rearranging the individuals results in an entirely new arrangement, you must multiply all of them together to get the total number of arrangements with 9 spots. But now you have one more spot with six remaining flowers. We don't need to distinguish between the type now because there aren't any further restrictions and each one will result in a new arrangement. So we just multiply the previous result by 6 to get the final answer.
Title: Re: Random math questions
Post by: #1procrastinator on July 27, 2014, 01:14:15 am
To solve the constant coefficient PDE , the method my lecturer used was to make the following substitutions so that all but the ith partial derivative disappear




How do you work out these substitutions?