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National Education => Tuition Companies and Services => Tuition and Education Services => VCE (and related) Businesses => Topic started by: Stick on December 30, 2012, 06:15:03 pm
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Due to the significant number of 2013 Specialist Mathematics students on this forum who have not completed an adequate GMA course in Year 11, myself and a friend of mine will be holding a GMA bridging class to ease your transition into the Year 12 course.
We will aim to cover the basics of the following topics:
- Advanced circular functions
- Complex numbers
- Sketching graphs
- Vectors
Please feel free to bring any questions along with you and we will try our very best to answer them (hopefully time will permit).
Credentials:
- I passed GMA with a 90%+ average for the assessments, including 100% for the complex numbers and vectors SACs, 98% for the advanced circular functions SAC, 94% for sketching graphs SAC and 100% for the Unit 2 examination covering the former topics.
- My friend Tom completed GMA with an 80%+ average for all assessments.
Express your obligation-free interest here and I will PM you the details for the class (this is to ensure the highest level of privacy is maintained).
* Just to confirm in case it's not already clear, this class will be free of charge as we are peers at the same level as you. We want the day to involve people bouncing ideas off each other and not solely learning from the both of us. That being said, a very small voluntary donation to cover printing costs may be offered. :)
NB: This is a GMA bridging class and not a Specialist Mathematics headstart class. The focus will be to cover the important topics taught in GMA to make your transition into Specialist Mathematics less stressful. The amount of Specialist Mathematics content touched on will be minimal. If you have had adequate GMA exposure, you will find the class boring, useless and frankly a waste of time.
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Do you really think that you are in a position to take money for these 'classes'. I mean, obviously you are a smart kid, however, i don't think year 11 assessments really constitutes you to adequately teach your peers for money. Couldn't they just go to a maths tutor who has done year 12 and is far more experienced?
Obviously you are within your rights to do whatever you want but i think trying to pass yourself off as a legitimate tutor to even cover the foundations of Specialist Maths when you haven't even started year 12 and make money from it isn't the way to go. That is just my opinion though. If you get interest, go for your life.
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It's one class so I doubt there will be huge gains charging people for it
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Do you really think that you are in a position to take money for these 'classes'. I mean, obviously you are a smart kid, however, i don't think year 11 assessments really constitutes you to adequately teach your peers for money. Couldn't they just go to a maths tutor who has done year 12 and is far more experienced?
Obviously you are within your rights to do whatever you want but i think trying to pass yourself off as a legitimate tutor to even cover the foundations of Specialist Maths when you haven't even started year 12 and make money from it isn't the way to go. That is just my opinion though. If you get interest, go for your life.
I'm not charging money - this is peer-based learning, not a tuition session. In that last sentence of my opening post, I was referring to transport costs for students who really don't need to be there. I'll edit it out to make it more clear. Thank you for your concern, nonetheless. I definitely don't want to come across as arrogant. :)
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Wow, that's harsh on Stick..
I think you could've come across just a little lighter perhaps. He's taking an initiative to help out his fellow peers, I think that should be commended. Criticism is okay, but a bit of encouragement from you guys could also make him a little bit more comfortable and more confident, rather than plainly criticising him..
I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong or harsh about it, but yeah, that's what I think...
I'm probably coming Stick :D Still deciding on whether I do want to do spesh but I think I will be going with it! Save printing costs and give people the stuff on PDF or something :)
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Wow, that's harsh on Stick..
I think you could've come across just a little lighter perhaps. He's taking an initiative to help out his fellow peers, I think that should be commended. Criticism is okay, but a bit of encouragement from you guys could also make him a little bit more comfortable and more confident, rather than plainly criticising him..
I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong or harsh about it, but yeah, that's what I think...
I'm probably coming Stick :D Still deciding on whether I do want to do spesh but I think I will be going with it! Save printing costs and give people the stuff on PDF or something :)
'I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong or harsh about it, but yeah, that's what I think...'- I'm not sorry if you think i am wrong or harsh. Stick has great intentions and is a fantastic ambassador for learning and excellence, but if i see something i disagree with, i will criticize (within the forum rules of course).
I'm not charging money - this is peer-based learning, not a tuition session. In that last sentence of my opening post, I was referring to transport costs for students who really don't need to be there. I'll edit it out to make it more clear. Thank you for your concern, nonetheless. I definitely don't want to come across as arrogant. :)
Sorry for the misunderstanding. As i said just above, you have great intentions with this.
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Hey, I actually agree with Jazza. I know Stick you have great intentions, and that is brillaint. But I was getting those scores in Yr 11 GMA. And I didn't know my stuff enough to get a 40+ in Spesh in Year 12. The facts are what they are. I know you are only trying to help, but there is always going to be someone more experienced that can put all of this into perspective.
I know its harsh, but it is, what it is.
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I disagree, I reckon this is great.
He's made it quite clear in his post that he's not covering the entire spesh course or anything, just what he knows from GMA. For students that missed on GMA, a one-off class to go over such things sounds pretty good to me. If people don't want to go learn from another student, they don't have to - but that doesn't make what he's trying to do illegitimate.
Maybe the money thing was a bit ambiguous and something that he could have been criticised for, but he's cleared that up now.
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'I'm sorry if you think I'm wrong or harsh about it, but yeah, that's what I think...'- I'm not sorry if you think i am wrong or harsh. Stick has great intentions and is a fantastic ambassador for learning and excellence, but if i see something i disagree with, i will criticize (within the forum rules of course).
Sorry for the misunderstanding. As i said just above, you have great intentions with this.
I wasn't trying to smart or anything. I thought a bit of encouragement would go nicely, that's all. :) Sorry if I came across rude.
I disagree, I reckon this is great.
He's made it quite clear in his post that he's not covering the entire spesh course or anything, just what he knows from GMA. For students that missed on GMA, a one-off class to go over such things sounds pretty good to me. If people don't want to go learn from another student, they don't have to - but that doesn't make what he's trying to do illegitimate.
Maybe the money thing was a bit ambiguous and something that he could have been criticised for, but he's cleared that up now.
Yep, all good now, done and dusted :)
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It's not a question of whether he knows his Year 12 stuff, but his Year 11 stuff. I'm sure he's more than able to teach Year 11 concepts. There'll always be someone with more experience but that's not to say only that person has the ability to teach. If he's not charging, people can't really lose on this situation.
Props to you, Stick.
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Why shouldn't he run some classes? Why would it hurt?
Normal tutors tutoring for Yr12 are people who have done Yr12 recently and scored highly.
Stick wants to tutor for Yr11, he has done Yr11 recently and scored highly.
So why should he be bad at it?
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Let me be clear: the only objection I was that i thought he was charging money...other than that i think that it is a great idea as it will work as a sort of study group-friendships will be made and it is great to see someone actually trying to make a difference and help others even though he doesn't have to.
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Let me be clear: the only objection I was that i thought he was charging money...other than that i think that it is a great idea as it will work as a sort of study group-friendships will be made and it is great to see someone actually trying to make a difference and help others even though he doesn't have to.
Even if he did want to charge money I don't see any issue with that unless he was asking unreasonable prices. And I'm pretty positive that he wouldn't charge unreasonably.
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Even if he did want to charge money I don't see any issue with that unless he was asking unreasonable prices. And I'm pretty positive that he wouldn't charge unreasonably.
Stick(sorry to involve you) did well in his year 11 class tests...for all we know, they could have been extremely easy. I don't think he has the experience or credentials to run tuition classes. Moreover, i think charging money for helping your peers (in this case, those in the same year as you) wrong. If i were a parent of a child who wanted to pay money to be taught by someone his own age, i wouldn't be too keen for that to happen. Tutoring requires a lot more than merely transferring knowledge and this comes with experience and maturity(not that you aren't mature stick) but you will find you grow a lot as a person throughout year 12.
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I can see your point but even with a high study score we could say "maybe he trolled the English exam and the examiners just thought it was originality". After a 50 in Further Math and the amount the kid studies, I think he can be trusted and it can be assumed that he has the skills to bring a below average Year 11 level student up to scratch. I also started school when I was four, so I'm younger than many 2013 graduates, that shouldn't take away from anything I could offer a student in terms of tuition. As for experience, a graduate tutor wouldn't have much other than helping fellow students throughout the years, which Stick has been doing anyway.
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Hey, I actually agree with Jazza. I know Stick you have great intentions, and that is brillaint. But I was getting those scores in Yr 11 GMA. And I didn't know my stuff enough to get a 40+ in Spesh in Year 12. The facts are what they are. I know you are only trying to help, but there is always going to be someone more experienced that can put all of this into perspective.
I know its harsh, but it is, what it is.
What everyone else has said above me, plus a little bit more.
People would have had absolutely nothing to lose by coming to this class and they had the right to make their own choice. They were going to receive four practice SACs, a set of notes I compiled and three/four hours of uninterrupted help where they could have at least been exposed to these topics (remember these guys don't even know what a vector or complex number is really) and for free. Other than the voice of concern expressed by jazza97, I don't feel anyone else was warranted to come into this thread and judge whether or not I would be capable of running something without knowing the full set of facts. This was only really a study session in which I take a bit of a lead - as I said I'm not the teacher, and I am not covering Specialist Mathematics content. Even though it was my own cohort which asked me to do this and I put myself out to do it, nearly all of them have been scared away by this discussion.
This has really crushed me. Needless to say, I will be withdrawing this offer. Mods, you can lock this thread.
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What everyone else has said above me, plus a little bit more.
People would have had absolutely nothing to lose by coming to this class and they had the right to make their own choice. They were going to receive four practice SACs, a set of notes I compiled and three/four hours of uninterrupted help where they could have at least been exposed to these topics (remember these guys don't even know what a vector or complex number is really) and for free. Other than the voice of concern expressed by jazza97, I don't feel anyone else was warranted to come into this thread and judge whether or not I would be capable of running something without knowing the full set of facts. This was only really a study session in which I take a bit of a lead - as I said I'm not the teacher, and I am not covering Specialist Mathematics content. Even though it was my own cohort which asked me to do this and I put myself out to do it, nearly all of them have been scared away by this discussion.
This has really crushed me. Needless to say, I will be withdrawing this offer. Mods, you can lock this thread.
That's a real shame :(
I can understand though.
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gaaaaaaaaaaaay i wanted to go i want some practice sacs and notes LMAO
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Stick(sorry to involve you) did well in his year 11 class tests...for all we know, they could have been extremely easy. I don't think he has the experience or credentials to run tuition classes. Moreover, i think charging money for helping your peers (in this case, those in the same year as you) wrong. If i were a parent of a child who wanted to pay money to be taught by someone his own age, i wouldn't be too keen for that to happen. Tutoring requires a lot more than merely transferring knowledge and this comes with experience and maturity(not that you aren't mature stick) but you will find you grow a lot as a person throughout year 12.
You sir are a dick!!!
I personally tutored people for methods for methods and I received only positive responses, being in the same place as your students helps alot to understand the problems, especially when it is a weaker students. Of course I wasn't able to make 40+ students out of them, but they had their goals, which they achieved through my help, with their teachers commenting on their improvement. This is not supposed to be a self-endorsement, but rather an example that students, who aren't past vce-students have the potential to be really good tutors and especially for tutoring weaker students this shouldn't be a problem anyways.
And to remind you again he is only teaching what is for him the past in the same way as normal tutors do.
Stick already got a perfect score in further, which doesn't always mean that he is an amazing mathematician, but it certainly proofs that he knows how to study and I'm pretty sure he will give those tips along the way as well.
Anyways, Stick you're pro and just because some people, which this awesome possiblity isn't even there for, say you shouldn't do it, just don't care. I mean there are at least double the amount of people supporting your amiable effort. Just say to yourself some hipster slogan like 'YOLO' or 'Haters gonna hate' and help the 'cult' "Class of 2013".
P.S. It should be 'YODO' since you live everyday, but only die once.
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Oi. Let's cool it down a little here shall we?
I'm with Stick. Firstly, it's frigging free. From what I see, it seems to be just a peer-assisted learning session, which ATARnotes prides itself on. Stick seems to have a sound grasp of GMA and what is he doing? Giving a helping hand out. Anyway, the point is, Stick is not even portraying himself as a fully fledged tutor. He's just offering a helping hand in a subject he has already done.
I know people who are currently in Year 12 tutoring younger year (including Year 11) subjects with their credentials being having done well in those subjects in those younger years.
It's not a question of whether he knows his Year 12 stuff, but his Year 11 stuff. I'm sure he's more than able to teach Year 11 concepts. There'll always be someone with more experience but that's not to say only that person has the ability to teach. If he's not charging, people can't really lose on this situation.
Props to you, Stick.
Amen to that.
And Jazza, I think you misunderstood the implications of this. Stick never pretended he knew much about Spesh. He is teaching GMA, not Spesh. He did well in GMA, so he's going to have a session on GMA.
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Yeah, we thought we'd have a little side group discussion in our study sessions dedicated to GMA, so people who wanted to build a good base for Spesh could attend and leave with a better grasp of GMA and most importantly, confidence to tackle the subject, which I place high value for.
I still think you should do it mate, you have my support for what it's worth :D
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Stick, it is of course your decision to make and obviously you're affronted but I'd encourage you wholeheartedly to go through with it. Peer assisted learning is fantastic and is a real opportunity to help all involved including yourself. Through Year 12 there were a few students who couldn't stand their teacher that got me to give feedback on their essays etc. They did really well - the teacher accused one of them of copyright once after I wrote out a formula for introductions like a math equation and he applied it to his next essay (which he gave to his teacher). Some people thought it was odd that I was teaching people English when I wasn't even the best in the cohort but everyone ended up benefiting from it, and I wouldn't take the experience away because some people raised an eyebrow. In life, I've found it's best to do what you want to do, and if other people disapprove then maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong, but you'll only ever find out if you're right by backing yourself. Besides, at this point in time everyone is quite for your class :). Jazza just greatly misinterpreted (perhaps he doesn't know you like the rest of us) and thought you would be charging like a regular headstart class (which could have been a little bit strange) but I think that's been cleared up. So, it's up to you, but just know that you've much support from graduates and the Class of 2013 - many of which would love the opportunity to get some help!
Hoping you go through with it,
Brenden.
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I love this guy!
And I just read your withdrawal post properly Stick - practically everyone else was sticking up for you mate. And Jazza was out of line.
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I love this guy!
You're too much. Race you later xoxo
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You sir are a dick!!!
None of that. Keep civil please.
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mate you've got a few people who want to come and learn from you, why cancel it because of something that one person said? don't withdraw your offer, i reckon it'll be a great help to those who need it
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I'll consider trying again later in the holidays. For now though, I think you have to appreciate how it'd feel to be put down (even if it was only a few people) when all you're doing is offering help.
Hang in there folks, I'll try my best to get this running later on. :)
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I'll consider trying again later in the holidays. For now though, I think you have to appreciate how it'd feel to be put down (even if it was only a few people) when all you're doing is offering help.
Hang in there folks, I'll try my best to get this running later on. :)
I feel for ya mate, I'd have been shattered too if it were me.
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What everyone else has said above me, plus a little bit more.
People would have had absolutely nothing to lose by coming to this class and they had the right to make their own choice. They were going to receive four practice SACs, a set of notes I compiled and three/four hours of uninterrupted help where they could have at least been exposed to these topics (remember these guys don't even know what a vector or complex number is really) and for free. Other than the voice of concern expressed by jazza97, I don't feel anyone else was warranted to come into this thread and judge whether or not I would be capable of running something without knowing the full set of facts. This was only really a study session in which I take a bit of a lead - as I said I'm not the teacher, and I am not covering Specialist Mathematics content. Even though it was my own cohort which asked me to do this and I put myself out to do it, nearly all of them have been scared away by this discussion.
This has really crushed me. Needless to say, I will be withdrawing this offer. Mods, you can lock this thread.
OH NOOOOO STICK!!!!!! Please continue with this idea. Its really great!
If there isnt enough people, I'd like to join in as well. Havent learnt maths for a long time and now totally forget everything
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I think it's a fantastic idea, and there's a reason there is so much interest in it - people really could benefit from this.
Personally I might not be able to make it (could be interstate) but I'd like to very strongly encourage you to go ahead with this, Stick. Kudos to you.
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Guys, I think we should respect Sticks decision and let him think it through. :)
*Hugs*
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I just want to clear something up:
The misunderstanding was that in the OP, i wrongly interpreted the word 'money' which Stick meant for travel expenses to mean he was charging before he edited and we cleared up the misunderstanding and Stick acknowledged this, too. Now i am entitled to my opinion and which was supported by other members as well. I think that the follow up by some people was just unnecessary considering that this issue was sorted after 3 posts. Really Florian, to call me a dick-i honestly laughed at your ignorance. Never did i insult or degrade Stick, on the contrary, after clearing up the initial issue, i fully supported and praised his idea.
Stick...i am seriously sorry for causing this; however, i believe i was justified in expressing my initial opinion which you understood (or so i think). As i said, what you are doing is great and don't let this negative discussion get you down. I really hope you run this class.
To everyone else...i was shocked by a few comments...didn't think it was that hard to have a respectful debate-and some members should read through all the posts before posting themselves.