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Title: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 07:08:46 pm
Sounds like the UoM version of JMSS, in partnership with Uni High (my old school! :D) that will open in 2014 just for VCE students.

http://www.unihigh.vic.edu.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=115&Itemid=154

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The Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences is a branch of The University High School that has been designed to cater and engage young people in years 11 and 12 who have a passion and the potential for success in the fields of the sciences. The Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences has been designed in partnership with DEECD, University of Melbourne and Bio21 and will expose students to the latest innovations and excellence in the teaching of contemporary science and mathematics.

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The Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences does have an admission capacity of one hundred year 11 and one hundred year 12 students.

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A centralised selection process (entry assessment) is used to identify the prospective students and these results will allow placement offers to select students.


Thoughts?


(btw I just found out about this via a UHS alumni newsletter email haha)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Hancock on January 01, 2013, 07:11:36 pm
Sounds pretty good. It's nice to know that UoM is branching out a little like Monash does.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: brenden on January 01, 2013, 07:13:20 pm
I think I want a friggen select school for humanities students! LOL
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Hancock on January 01, 2013, 07:17:12 pm
With enrolments in STEM degrees going down, I think that another dedicated Sci School is definitely needed over a humanities one. Of course, humanities are important, but with the enrolments in Law, Arts and Comm (to a degree) degrees in universities being generally quite strong, I think that this is a good move. I can say, without bias, that UoM has been using it's prestige and recognition to ride through the uncertain waters of the Melbourne Model implementation. It's dying down a little, with enrolments going back up (citation needed here, but 5 of UoM's degrees were the most popular preferences or something last year) but I think that the collaboration with extra-university agenda's is ultimately a good move to show a more holistic university.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Lasercookie on January 01, 2013, 07:18:44 pm
I think I want a friggen select school for humanities students! LOL
Hmm, as far as I know there's VCA SS for dance/music http://www.vcass.vic.edu.au/curriculum/academic/

Not sure if there's any others like it
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: nspire on January 01, 2013, 07:19:32 pm
So this is the Bio21 school I heard about a while ago......

It's interesting they named it after Elizabeth Blackburn, one of the houses at JMSS is "Blackburn"
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Hancock on January 01, 2013, 07:19:58 pm
Yeah, I knew a couple of people that went to VCASS. If I'm not mistaken, they had to take Music Styles and Performance if they specialized in an instrument. I can't remember if that's true though.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 07:21:16 pm
It's interesting they named it after Elizabeth Blackburn, one of the houses at JMSS is "Blackburn"

She used to go to UHS :)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: nspire on January 01, 2013, 07:27:36 pm
She used to go to UHS :)

Oh, naming the school after her would make sense then

I'm guessing it opens in 2014? Can't find much information on the site
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 07:28:41 pm
I'm guessing it opens in 2014? Can't find much information on the site

Yeah, I couldn't find the year on the site, but on the newsletter I got it says 2014 :)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: IndefatigableLover on January 01, 2013, 07:35:09 pm
Yeah, I couldn't find the year on the site, but on the newsletter I got it says 2014 :)
2014 and for Year 11's and 12's... oh gosh :S
I would of preferred a Humanities specialised school like what Brenden said though...

And do you have to take a test to get in?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 07:40:04 pm
And do you have to take a test to get in?

Looks like it:

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A centralised selection process (entry assessment) is used to identify the prospective students and these results will allow placement offers to select students.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Starlight on January 01, 2013, 07:42:21 pm
"The Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences will provide student access to research scientists who will act as mentors and supporters in the fields of engineering, molecular biology, medicine, science, mathematics and computer science."

This is pretty good
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 07:43:37 pm
^Yeah, and given that it is UoM supported, the opportunities will probs be better than what JMSS kids get (in all honesty) :P
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: LazyZombie on January 01, 2013, 07:45:01 pm
The school starts at year 7?

I think its a good idea :)

I really didn't like my old school. =.="
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 07:48:34 pm
My understanding was that UHS starts at yr7 (goes to yr12), and this school is literally next-door and starts from yr11?

Makes sense as the UHS accelerated program finishes in yr10, good transition etc etc
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: spectroscopy on January 01, 2013, 08:00:36 pm
it says intake of 100 year 11 and 100 yr 12 students, does that mean they'll take in 100 students in year 12 and the cohort will end up being ~200
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 08:13:58 pm
I think it means each year will have 100 students :)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: awesomejames on January 01, 2013, 09:41:23 pm
HAHAHA pi I go to uni high!

This is embarrassing but, I didn't even know about this school until you just posted it and I GO TO UNI HIGH LOL

Off topic: But pi when did you leave uni high to move to melbourne high?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 09:46:23 pm
HAHAHA pi I go to uni high!

This is embarrassing but, I didn't even know about this school until you just posted it and I GO TO UNI HIGH LOL

Off topic: But pi when did you leave uni high to move to melbourne high?

Haha!

I was in the accelerated program for yr7-8 and moved to MHS for yr9 (so left at the end of 2007) :) Pretty awesome place and two years I'll never forget! So many great memories of that place :)

Only thing I couldn't stand was both Latin and German in yr8 haha, so bad :P
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: awesomejames on January 01, 2013, 10:05:54 pm
Haha!

I was in the accelerated program for yr7-8 and moved to MHS for yr9 (so left at the end of 2007) :) Pretty awesome place and two years I'll never forget! So many great memories of that place :)

Only thing I couldn't stand was both Latin and German in yr8 haha, so bad :P

Damn, I wouldn't know you anyway since I only started in 2008.

Yeah, quite a good school. Do you still keep in touch with people that used to go there?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 01, 2013, 10:19:20 pm
A few people. Most are sadly just acquaintances who I might speak to on fb chat every now and again though (as they're nearly all one year above me in uni due to the AP program skipping a year). A couple are in my year of med which is cool (one of which moved to Mac.Rob in 2007 too haha).

I was actually talking to one a couple of days ago and reminiscing about the good old days :) (gosh, that makes me sound so damn old)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: awesomejames on January 01, 2013, 10:34:56 pm
HAHA sorry to remind you :(

MUAHAHAHAHA I'm such a stalker, I see that we have one mutual friend on facebook :)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: walkec on January 02, 2013, 09:35:36 am
I think I want a friggen select school for humanities students! LOL

Agreed! Except I do love my current school :p
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: BoredSatan on January 02, 2013, 10:50:41 am
Another Selective School..

Turning into Sydney
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: thushan on January 02, 2013, 10:53:10 am
Another Selective School..

Turning into Sydney

Is it exclusively for Uni High students?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: awesomejames on January 02, 2013, 10:58:38 am
Is it exclusively for Uni High students?

I think so
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on January 03, 2013, 01:14:01 am
I think so

Really? I got the impression that it was for anyone who could pass the test, it's just that UHS has "control" over it (as it is next to the school)?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Special At Specialist on January 03, 2013, 01:39:14 am
I don't understand why there is something called "University High School". Is it meant to be a high school or a university?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: mark_alec on January 03, 2013, 08:10:28 am
It is next to what was the only university in the state at the time.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: awesomejames on January 03, 2013, 10:05:08 am
I don't understand why there is something called "University High School". Is it meant to be a high school or a university?

Ok, so my history of my school isn't perfect but I think it goes something like this:
-the school was first a school where university students who would want to become teachers in the future, be allowed to teach students. So kind of like being those student teachers which observe the real teachers, except at uni high they actually teach. I'm not sure whether the teachers were from Uom or not.
-so they decided since it was a school that university students could teach in, which was for high school students, they called it "The University High School"

It is a high school btw :P

Hope that clears it up a bit :)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Special At Specialist on January 03, 2013, 11:12:38 am
Ok, so my history of my school isn't perfect but I think it goes something like this:
-the school was first a school where university students who would want to become teachers in the future, be allowed to teach students. So kind of like being those student teachers which observe the real teachers, except at uni high they actually teach. I'm not sure whether the teachers were from Uom or not.
-so they decided since it was a school that university students could teach in, which was for high school students, they called it "The University High School"

It is a high school btw :P

Hope that clears it up a bit :)

Ahh makes sense... I was always wondering about that, since I heard the name about a year ago.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Guest on June 30, 2013, 09:42:57 am
I have a friend who is wanting to try out for this school. Does anyone know what subjects will be tested on the entry test for Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences? I'm trying to help him out and so far we've just gone over what was on the JMSS test. With less that a month to go, I don't want to be teaching things which ultimately are not required. I had a look at the website and it does not seem to say there.

If any one has made any enquiries regarding this or knows somehow can you please let me know?
Thanks

Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: slothpomba on June 30, 2013, 10:23:21 am
With enrollments in STEM degrees going down... Of course, humanities are important, but with the enrolments in Law, Arts and Comm (to a degree) degrees in universities being generally quite strong

Not trying to start a debate but you seem to assume thats a bad thing.

It could just be a supply and demand thing. I remember reading somewhere that ~50% of science students end up not working in science. It just stands to reason, the cohort for Monash Bsc (not even their other specialised science degrees) is ~1000. UoM is likely similar if not higher. There are plenty of other universities in Victoria as well. We simply graduate way more science students than there are jobs for them. There's no way that Victoria has a burning need for thousands of new scientists every year.

I dont think it should be (largely anyway) based on the number of enrollments when there would be many other things to consider when making a decision like that. The purpose of building a specialised school isn't really to boost enrollments. A specialised humanities school or whatever else might be a good idea for many other reasons outside boosting enrollments.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: thushan on July 05, 2013, 08:04:55 pm
Had a look at this school website. Looks pretty damned solid. Particularly like the focus on research. If the program is carried out correctly, this could take off really nicely.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: darlok on July 05, 2013, 08:37:46 pm
Not trying to start a debate but you seem to assume thats a bad thing.

It could just be a supply and demand thing. I remember reading somewhere that ~50% of science students end up not working in science. It just stands to reason, the cohort for Monash Bsc (not even their other specialised science degrees) is ~1000. UoM is likely similar if not higher. There are plenty of other universities in Victoria as well. We simply graduate way more science students than there are jobs for them. There's no way that Victoria has a burning need for thousands of new scientists every year.

I dont think it should be (largely anyway) based on the number of enrollments when there would be many other things to consider when making a decision like that. The purpose of building a specialised school isn't really to boost enrollments. A specialised humanities school or whatever else might be a good idea for many other reasons outside boosting enrollments.

It shouldn't be about getting X people into science, it should be about getting the best people into science. If universities start turning out better graduates, demand will pick up.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: BigAl on July 05, 2013, 08:56:19 pm
I'm not in favour of these schools. Let me list my reasons.
One of the reasons I migrated to Australia was the inequality of education in Turkey. High schools are classified as several groups in Turkey like Science, Teaching, Normal and Technical... The difference in terms of education and atmosphere is huge, especially between normal and science high school...all students sit for an exam in y8 that will mostly determine their lives because there is not much probability of getting into uni from normal school...Australia might be heading that way if they don't control the number of these schools...
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Lasercookie on July 05, 2013, 09:49:56 pm
I'm not in favour of these schools. Let me list my reasons.
One of the reasons I migrated to Australia was the inequality of education in Turkey. High schools are classified as several groups in Turkey like Science, Teaching, Normal and Technical... The difference in terms of education and atmosphere is huge, especially between normal and science high school...all students sit for an exam in y8 that will mostly determine their lives because there is not much probability of getting into uni from normal school...Australia might be heading that way if they don't control the number of these schools...
I'm not sure. The education inequality in Australia is a bit different to what you're describing.

These selective schools are more or less just offering the VCE (or other state) curriculum, it's the same stuff that's taught at every other school (even that extended investigation subject that's listed on the Elizabeth Blackburn Science School website is a VCE subject). There's a few other extracurricular opportunities and stuff that seem to be the main advantages of these kind of schools.

Keep in mind that people attending the 'normal' public schools in Australia have fairly good chance of getting into university, I don't see how small numbers of these specialist/selective schools would cause a drop in the quality of those schools. There's a fairly big emphasis on access and equity that we have in Australia too; if the university admissions processes does change in the future, I don't think it would make university less accessible.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: thushan on July 05, 2013, 11:06:23 pm
I'm not in favour of these schools. Let me list my reasons.
One of the reasons I migrated to Australia was the inequality of education in Turkey. High schools are classified as several groups in Turkey like Science, Teaching, Normal and Technical... The difference in terms of education and atmosphere is huge, especially between normal and science high school...all students sit for an exam in y8 that will mostly determine their lives because there is not much probability of getting into uni from normal school...Australia might be heading that way if they don't control the number of these schools...

I'd support the Turkey model if it allowed for movement between schools.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: spectroscopy on July 05, 2013, 11:23:27 pm
I'm not in favour of these schools. Let me list my reasons.
One of the reasons I migrated to Australia was the inequality of education in Turkey. High schools are classified as several groups in Turkey like Science, Teaching, Normal and Technical... The difference in terms of education and atmosphere is huge, especially between normal and science high school...all students sit for an exam in y8 that will mostly determine their lives because there is not much probability of getting into uni from normal school...Australia might be heading that way if they don't control the number of these schools...
select entry high schools here i think are needed in alot of ways

tonnes of students could be really really smart, but can't afford any good schools, and their local high school could be deer park high or sunshine college or something, the weak cohort + bad environment would be detrimental to their education
select entry schools provide that environment that really promotes learning, and gets rid of nearly ALL of the distractions at other schools
at my school there have been 0 fights, barely any drama ever, everyone studies, classes are NEVER disruptive (shocking i know, but seriously)
i know myself, if i hadnt gotten into a select entry high school - i would not have gotten over being called a nerd and being bullied and stuff and I wouldnt be doing as well as i am

and it is great now that there are more specialized versions of these schools JMSS is going to create some great scientists, and im sure elizabeth blackburn will do the same
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: IndefatigableLover on July 05, 2013, 11:31:26 pm
Had a look at this school website. Looks pretty damned solid. Particularly like the focus on research. If the program is carried out correctly, this could take off really nicely.
Yeah I like how they've emphasised on the researching but their facilities seem to be on par with JMSS (school-wise) although we get given laptops whilst they have to bring their own devices... though now that I realise it but we're going to have some fierce rivalry against EBSS as the years go by LOL :O
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: BigAl on July 05, 2013, 11:35:58 pm
select entry high schools here i think are needed in alot of ways

tonnes of students could be really really smart, but can't afford any good schools, and their local high school could be deer park high or sunshine college or something, the weak cohort + bad environment would be detrimental to their education
select entry schools provide that environment that really promotes learning, and gets rid of nearly ALL of the distractions at other schools
at my school there have been 0 fights, barely any drama ever, everyone studies, classes are NEVER disruptive (shocking i know, but seriously)
i know myself, if i hadnt gotten into a select entry high school - i would not have gotten over being called a nerd and being bullied and stuff and I wouldnt be doing as well as i am

and it is great now that there are more specialized versions of these schools JMSS is going to create some great scientists, and im sure elizabeth blackburn will do the same

I have no problems if the number of these schools is kept limited..But if they don't control it, all these y8s or y9s will be competing for these schools..Due to limited number of available students these schools will be marginal I guess...So there will be inequality in education...This is my thought based on my experience...Otherwise I'm not against science schools 
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Scooby on July 06, 2013, 03:42:10 am
I have no problems if the number of these schools is kept limited..But if they don't control it, all these y8s or y9s will be competing for these schools..Due to limited number of available students these schools will be marginal I guess...So there will be inequality in education...This is my thought based on my experience...Otherwise I'm not against science schools 

It's not like universities are going to discriminate based on the high school an applicant's come from
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Russ on July 06, 2013, 08:43:57 am
These selective schools are more or less just offering the VCE (or other state) curriculum, it's the same stuff that's taught at every other school

So are private schools and they offer a much better standard of education than the average public school. The high school system is essentially tiered with private > selective > non selective and I think it'd be really great if the government invested in education properly, rather than opening a couple of new selective schools to save money.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: IndefatigableLover on July 28, 2013, 10:18:55 pm
Sorry for necromancing but they just had their exam yesterday for the first intake of Year 11's next year. Apparently (according to my friends), the school 'will be better than JMSS' (according to their principal) *cough* and there were approximately 140 kids there at the exam.

But an intriguing thing I found out from the exam was that unlike the JMSS exam where there are two math components followed by science reasoning and two writing tasks.... this time there was Verbal Reasoning, Science Reasoning, Reading Comprehension, Maths and a writing piece. What surprises me were the English based ones LOL :O



Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on July 28, 2013, 10:22:00 pm
I can see their point (although that does surprise me too), you want to have stronger English students for yr11 entry than yr10 entry given that the time to catch up on skills is ~33% less.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: psyxwar on July 28, 2013, 10:24:37 pm
Sorry for necromancing but they just had their exam yesterday for the first intake of Year 11's next year. Apparently (according to my friends), the school 'will be better than JMSS' (according to their principal) *cough* and there were approximately 140 kids there at the exam.
bit early to tell, but it certainly seems to have promise.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Scooby on July 28, 2013, 11:31:49 pm
Sorry for necromancing but they just had their exam yesterday for the first intake of Year 11's next year. Apparently (according to my friends), the school 'will be better than JMSS' (according to their principal) *cough* and there were approximately 140 kids there at the exam.

(http://media.tumblr.com/60062d6d558cc97c6bc7e761f97e1d9c/tumblr_inline_mo6ffkgSlx1qz4rgp.gif)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: akamaru on August 25, 2013, 03:36:10 pm
I was recently administrated into this school for 2014, but I'm not sure if its going to be able to compete with JMSS at least for the first year. The standard of being accepted into EBBS was probably sitting at an 80%, as there was roughly <140 students who took place in the examination, with 20 guaranteed positions for those who were already attending at Uni High. The problem that arises so far is if the school would actually work, as I averaged with only 2 superior, as well as being only an average-ish student. Hopefully this school won't turn out as a disaster like Suzanne Cory. :S   
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Butterscotch on August 25, 2013, 06:12:51 pm
I was recently administrated into this school for 2014, but I'm not sure if its going to be able to compete with JMSS at least for the first year. The standard of being accepted into EBBS was probably sitting at an 80%, as there was roughly <140 students who took place in the examination, with 20 guaranteed positions for those who were already attending at Uni High. The problem that arises so far is if the school would actually work, as I averaged with only 2 superior, as well as being only an average-ish student. Hopefully this school won't turn out as a disaster like Suzanne Cory. :S

Wha...? o.O Suzanne Cory is a disaster??? :o
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: grannysmith on August 25, 2013, 08:38:02 pm
What's happened to Suzanne Cory?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: AliceS on November 07, 2013, 07:20:08 pm
I got into the school as well, and when I was talking to other people at the exam there were plenty of people that didn't know that the subjects you do are set and other critical information about the school like that. The kids who applied from Uni High also got their entrance exam admission fee. It will be more popular next year as more people hear about it but I don't think it will be as good at JMSS. We may just have to prove everyone wrong!
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: anakhl on December 10, 2013, 11:27:10 pm
I was also accepted into the school and I think the most important piece of information which quite a few missed is the style of teaching which is very similar to a University rather than a typical Secondary School.

Also you do have some leeway with the subjects, quite a few decided to switch Biology with another 3/4 which was perfectly acceptable. However those classes would take place at UHS.

It will be interesting to see how this new teaching method unfolds and its effectiveness especially in VCE.

Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: LastOfUs on December 11, 2013, 08:36:50 pm
Why don't they have select entry schools for humanities based subjects? Science people get all the fun.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Robert243 on December 11, 2013, 10:23:46 pm
Apparently (according to my friends), the school 'will be better than JMSS' (according to their principal) *cough* and there were approximately 140 kids there at the exam.
I dont want to turn this thread into a debate on which schools better , but i do believe Jmss provides much more oppurtinity than EBSS , especially the fact that JMSS kids start a year earlier , so they don't jump into VCE straight away . But nevertheless EBSS is a great school well done to everyone who made it in .

Why don't they have select entry schools for humanities based subjects? Science people get all the fun.
Thats a good idea , but a lot of regular schools teach humanities well , its not really the same story with science thought .
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: LastOfUs on December 11, 2013, 11:39:46 pm
a good idea , but a lot of regular schools teach humanities well , its not really the same story with science thought .
I'm pretty sure it's mandatory to learn general science from year 7-10?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on December 11, 2013, 11:42:01 pm
I dont want to turn this thread into a debate on which schools better , but i do believe Jmss provides much more oppurtinity than EBSS , especially the fact that JMSS kids start a year earlier , so they don't jump into VCE straight away .

It's not really a jump if they were in yr10 the year before. I assumed everyone went from Year 10 -> Year 11 unless they do it differently at JMSS?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Robert243 on December 12, 2013, 11:21:01 am
I'm pretty sure it's mandatory to learn general science from year 7-10?
Haha yeah but some schools just cant afford the science facilities which JMSS  or other selective schools have  .
It's not really a jump if they were in yr10 the year before. I assumed everyone went from Year 10 -> Year 11 unless they do it differently at JMSS?
Hmmm ... I see where your coming from , but there will be diverse contrast from starting vce or continuing it for some people , at a completely different school . But nevertheless from what i heard from people its a good school , and this shouldn't be a problem for most people .

I think you guys do something together with MHS as well , in Y 11. But i'm not to sure , i just heard it from one of my friends who goes to MHS .

Spoiler
And i'm kinda jealous by the fact that you guys don't have to wear uniform
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: IndefatigableLover on December 12, 2013, 12:12:17 pm
I dont want to turn this thread into a debate on which schools better , but i do believe Jmss provides much more oppurtinity than EBSS , especially the fact that JMSS kids start a year earlier , so they don't jump into VCE straight away .
The only thing I can see JMSS having more opportunity than EBSS is that it's more 'established' which have resulted in a number of different programs offered to the general student body. As the years go by we'll have more programs on offer adding onto the list of ones which we already offer. At this point in time nobody knows what EBSS have in store so yeah...
It's not really a jump if they were in yr10 the year before. I assumed everyone went from Year 10 -> Year 11 unless they do it differently at JMSS?
No we go from Year 10 -> Year 11 unless you fail certain subjects/requirements in Year 10 in which you have to repeat (which is pretty standard in all schools I believe).

Spoiler
And i'm kinda jealous by the fact that you guys don't have to wear uniform
What's wrong? I find that you belong more when wearing school uniform (and JMSS uniform isn't even that bad LOL it's actually pretty good although the blazer as pi has mentioned on a number of times from memory LOL) and there'd always be the thought of having to pick out what you wear in the morning which can be a pain sometimes imo T_T
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on December 12, 2013, 12:15:49 pm
I went to UHS before MHS, free dress to school is the best! All the problems people say like "clothes can emphasise who is rich and poor" or "it's such a pain to choose what to wear" are actually not true. People wore whatever and no-one really cared.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Robert243 on December 12, 2013, 12:23:32 pm
Although wearing uniform is painful (especially the blazer in summer ) .  EBBS is a selective school  wearing casual clothes make people perceive it as "inferior ". Even in America where there's no uniform in schools , selective school still wear uniforms their . I know im getting off topic here , but im just saying .
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on December 12, 2013, 12:26:06 pm
Although wearing uniform is painful (especially the blazer in summer ) .  EBBS is a selective school  wearing casual clothes make people perceive it as "inferior ". Even in America where there's no uniform in schools , selective school still wear uniforms their . I know im getting off topic here , but im just saying .

I beg to differ.

Mac.Rob allows their Year 12's to wear free dress for most of the year. No one sees them as an inferior bunch, rather they're still (usually) the toppers in the state.

Also, odd to have a blazer in the summer uniform. At MHS the blazer was not in the summer uniform and only had to be worn for events and assemblies.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Robert243 on December 12, 2013, 12:28:01 pm
I beg to differ.

Mac.Rob allows their Year 12's to wear free dress for most of the year. No one sees them as an inferior bunch, rather they're still (usually) the toppers in the state.

Also, odd to have a blazer in the summer uniform. At MHS the blazer was not in the summer uniform and only had to be worn for events and assemblies.
thats it i want to go to macrobs  ;) , does anyone know if its too late to try out  ?
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: achre on December 12, 2013, 12:40:32 pm
there will be diverse contrast from starting vce or continuing it for some people , at a completely different school.
This is definitely true, even at JMSS. You have to adjust to a whole new team of teachers, new school protocols, new students and an entirely new physical environment - that includes figuring out transport to and from school, and figuring out where things are within the actual school. Speaking as someone who's done this, it's not that conducive to learning, especially if you're doing a 3/4 in that same year.
Didn't somebody say EBSS is 7 - 12?

What's wrong? I find that you belong more when wearing school uniform (and JMSS uniform isn't even that bad LOL it's actually pretty good although the blazer as pi has mentioned on a number of times from memory LOL)
Our uniform is gorgeous but
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Robert243 on December 12, 2013, 12:54:58 pm
Didn't somebody say EBSS is 7 - 12?
Nah , EBSS starts in year 11 , but they have a school next door that starts in year 7 .

This is definitely true, even at JMSS. You have to adjust to a whole new team of teachers, new school protocols, new students and an entirely new physical environment - that includes figuring out transport to and from school, and figuring out where things are within the actual school. Speaking as someone who's done this, it's not that conducive to learning, especially if you're doing a 3/4 in that same year.
I guess kids who get accepted into John Monash in year 11 feel the same way
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: IndefatigableLover on December 12, 2013, 01:07:21 pm
Our uniform is gorgeous but
Haha I guess maybe I went to a school where uniform was 'unappreciated' so I've just taken a liking towards JMSS' LOL
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: LastOfUs on December 12, 2013, 01:08:58 pm
Don't know why you guys are complaining about uniform.

The year before I went to my school they wore attire like this.
(http://aipetcher.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ivan-in-uniform.jpg)
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Robert243 on December 12, 2013, 01:30:25 pm
Does everyone from UHS , go to EBSS , i don't get how it works ?
And i read in The Age somewhere that there building a school at Latrobe . Now they've got schools at monash (JMSS and Nossal) , Victoria University (Suzanne cory) and Melbourne University (EBSS),and soon one at Latrobe .
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: IndefatigableLover on December 12, 2013, 01:38:46 pm
Does everyone from UHS , go to EBSS , i don't get how it works ?
And i read in The Age somewhere that there building a school at Latrobe . Now they've got schools at monash (JMSS and Nossal) , Victoria University (Suzanne cory) and Melbourne University (EBSS),and soon one at Latrobe .
No not everyone from UHS goes to EBSS. People from outside of UHS can apply for EBSS and get accepted (I have two friends going there next year plus there's not enough space to fit all kids from UHS into EBSS [apparently the building of EBSS is in UHS' old car park]).
It's just like any real selective school test except they test on different things compared to JMSS (if I recall what my friend said, they said that there were more English components compared to JMSS since they were entering Year 11).
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on December 12, 2013, 01:40:00 pm
[apparently the building of EBSS is in UHS' old car park]

I doubt it given the car-park was underground beneath the oval and was used by the Royal Melbourne Hospital :P
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: IndefatigableLover on December 12, 2013, 01:45:33 pm
I doubt it given the car-park was underground beneath the oval and was used by the Royal Melbourne Hospital :P
Hmm very strange.... I remember my friend who left UHS last year for JMSS this year told me about it.. guess I'll have to as again >.<
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Robert243 on December 12, 2013, 01:51:48 pm
No not everyone from UHS goes to EBSS. People from outside of UHS can apply for EBSS and get accepted (I have two friends going there next year plus there's not enough space to fit all kids from UHS into EBSS [apparently the building of EBSS is in UHS' old car park]).
It's just like any real selective school test except they test on different things compared to JMSS (if I recall what my friend said, they said that there were more English components compared to JMSS since they were entering Year 11).
So its essentially an advance class for U.H.S kids , sorry im just curious .
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: pi on December 12, 2013, 01:53:01 pm
So its essentially an advance class for U.H.S kids , sorry im just curious .

UHS already have an Accelerated Program that ends in yr10, this would be an ideal transition for many of those kids who want to pursue the "Asian 5" subjects in VCE, as well as for others with a similar line of subject selections.
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: winchesteraddict on July 16, 2014, 09:38:35 am
Anyone applying for admissions in 2015? :D
Title: Re: New school: Elizabeth Blackburn School of Sciences
Post by: Starlight on July 16, 2014, 10:45:36 am
Hmm very strange.... I remember my friend who left UHS last year for JMSS this year told me about it.. guess I'll have to as again >.<

I'm sure it was a carpark but it wouldn't have been the only one