ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: noodles123 on January 06, 2013, 04:37:08 pm
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Thoughts?
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Biomed ~98-99 (Lower cut-off due to SEAS min-ATAR going from 92 to 95 this year)
Science ~88-90 (90.15 was a massive jump since 2011's 85.05, expecting to taper off a little)
Enviro ~85
Commerce ~95 (pretty stable course)
Music ~Irrelevant for ATAR
Arst ~92 (UoM apparently tweeted that Arts was the most 1st preference course in Vic this year or something)
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commerce has a 95.00 ATAR guaranteed entry for 2013 for domestic students
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Every year since 2009 I've said the clearly in for biomed won't go up/will decrease, so this year I'm going to attempt to finally be right and state that it will remain at or above 99
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If you go to an "underrepresented school" (pretty much all average or below average schools), then the guaranteed entry is:
78 for Arts, Environments or Science
88 for Commerce
95 for Biomedicine
If you go to a top school like MHS or Scotch College, then I would trust Hancock's prediction:
Biomed ~98-99 (Lower cut-off due to SEAS min-ATAR going from 92 to 95 this year)
Science ~88-90 (90.15 was a massive jump since 2011's 85.05, expecting to taper off a little)
Enviro ~85
Commerce ~95 (pretty stable course)
Music ~Irrelevant for ATAR
Arst ~92 (UoM apparently tweeted that Arts was the most 1st preference course in Vic this year or something)
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Are you sure all "average" schools are considered underrepresented? I go to a fairly average school and I don't think mine is. How could I check? I'm curious now.
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What about with SEAS applications? I applied for the medical category, is there a chance they won't accept it or ?
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78 for Arts, Environments or Science
88 for Commerce
95 for Biomedicine
That's for rural, not underrepresented (also for financial disadvantage)
What about with SEAS applications? I applied for the medical category, is there a chance they won't accept it or ?
They will consider the application on a case by case basis. Whether or not that's sufficient depends on your circumstances. Your application is guaranteed to be considered though.
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My school had 5 students go to UoM and ~10 go to Monash with 11 having ATARs > 90. We weren't meant to be under-repped but it didn't go through. It's a lot easier to get in if you're school is under-repped.
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Are you sure all "average" schools are considered underrepresented? I go to a fairly average school and I don't think mine is. How could I check? I'm curious now.
http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/pathways/access-melbourne/eligibility-criteria/under-represented-schools . The list does vary from year to year but not by much though, a few schools get removed and some schools get put in.
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I predict science will be 88.5
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Science ~88-90 (90.15 was a massive jump since 2011's 85.05, expecting to taper off a little)
Anybody know the factors that contributed to the jump? Was it just more people wanting to apply or did UoM make changes to the intake?
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If my school is underrepresented, will Melbourne Uni know this and will they take it greatly in consideration when deciding whether or not Ill get an offer for my course?
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If my school is underrepresented, will Melbourne Uni know this and will they take it greatly in consideration when deciding whether or not Ill get an offer for my course?
If it's the same as the rural thing, you had to tick a box in SEAS... Our school drilled this into as they've had a few cases where student A had a lower ATAR, ticked the box, got in, student B had higher ATAR, didn't apply through seas, didn't get in.
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Oh okay. But I didn't tick anything, I thought the school or my careers teacher was responsible for all of this. :/
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Predicting Biomed cut-off to be anywhere between 98.50-99.10.
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What about arts??
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What about arts??
I think the atar will move up from last year
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Arts - 92 I reckon based on this tweet.
Science - 90 (stays round the same?)
Commerce - 95
Biomedicine - 99.00 I reckon
Environments - 85
Here's a thought experiment:
What would predicted cutoffs for these courses be if all Aussie unis had a two-tiered Melbourne Model-like structure?
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If all uni's had a bologna model structure, then it becomes less about course preferences, and more about environmental factors such as campus location and lifestyle. IMO, I'd reckon Melbourne's ATAR requirements would:
Go up a tad for Science (due to Engineering, I know a lot of people put off about the 5 year model)
Go up for Arts (due to lack of Law at Monash)
Stay constant for Commerce because it's a standalone 3 year degree
Stay constant for Environments (because UoM won't drop it below 85)
Biomed would remain, or go up IMO due to all med courses would be post-grad.
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If all uni's had a bologna model structure, then it becomes less about course preferences, and more about environmental factors such as campus location and lifestyle. IMO, I'd reckon Melbourne's ATAR requirements would:
Go up a tad for Science (due to Engineering, I know a lot of people put off about the 5 year model)
Go up for Arts (due to lack of Law at Monash)
Stay constant for Commerce because it's a standalone 3 year degree
Stay constant for Environments (because UoM won't drop it below 85)
Biomed would remain, or go up IMO due to all med courses would be post-grad.
Agree with this, and I think Biomed would definitely go up due to all med being post-grad. Melbourne Uni is prettier than Monash after all hahah
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If all uni's had a bologna model structure, then it becomes less about course preferences, and more about environmental factors such as campus location and lifestyle. IMO, I'd reckon Melbourne's ATAR requirements would:
Go up a tad for Science (due to Engineering, I know a lot of people put off about the 5 year model)
Go up for Arts (due to lack of Law at Monash)
Stay constant for Commerce because it's a standalone 3 year degree
Stay constant for Environments (because UoM won't drop it below 85)
Biomed would remain, or go up IMO due to all med courses would be post-grad.
And prestige?
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As things stand, I can't see UoM clearly-ins going up this year, because they are already close to their physical limit.
There are approx 50,000 VCE students each year, of which 5,000 achieve a 90+ ATAR, and 4000+ of those already go to UoM (going by 2012 admission stats).
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As things stand, I can't see UoM clearly-ins going up this year, because they are already close to their physical limit.
There are approx 50,000 VCE students each year, of which 5,000 achieve a 90+ ATAR, and 4000+ of those already go to UoM (going by 2012 admission stats).
Doesn't that 4000 that got admitted to UoM include people that were under the clearly-in too?
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Doesn't that 4000 that got admitted to UoM include people that were under the clearly-in too?
It's easy enough to estimate how many are 90+ because the admission stats tell you how many are below clearly-in.
For instance, for Biomed admissions, very few of the below clearly ins are actually below 90, whereas for science, nearly all the below clearly- ins are less than 90.
Bottom line, the overwhelming majority of 90+ in the state already go to UoM, leaving little room for clearly- in hikes
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http://bcom.unimelb.edu.au/apply/entry_requirements. That says commerce clearly in is 95 for 2013. Also found one for biomed which says 96(guide only). Would the commerce ATAR be a guide as well?
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http://bcom.unimelb.edu.au/apply/entry_requirements. That says commerce clearly in is 95 for 2013. Also found one for biomed which says 96(guide only). Would the commerce ATAR be a guide as well?
the 95.00 guaranteed entry score for commerce is also listed here on the left:
http://coursesearch.unimelb.edu.au/undergrad/1507-bachelor-of-commerce
and here, when you scroll down the 95.00:
http://cop.unimelb.edu.au/where-will-my-atar-take-me/index.html
So I think the 'guaranteed entry score' is pretty guaranteed and not a guide, or else the commerce department is going to be in for a world of complaints haha
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It's easy enough to estimate how many are 90+ because the admission stats tell you how many are below clearly-in.
For instance, for Biomed admissions, very few of the below clearly ins are actually below 90, whereas for science, nearly all the below clearly- ins are less than 90.
Bottom line, the overwhelming majority of 90+ in the state already go to UoM, leaving little room for clearly- in hikes
I don't think it's an "overwhelming" majority - I read somewhere that Monash have the highest percentage of 99+ students - but as I don't have any statistics on hand, I can't really say much more.
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Here's a thought experiment:
What would predicted cutoffs for these courses be if all Aussie unis had a two-tiered Melbourne Model-like structure?
I'm really glad that they aren't :)
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I'm going to predict that there won't be an increase in Arts.
In 2011/12, 2738 had Arts as their 1st preference, 1420 as 2nd preference and 957 as 3rd preference.
In 2012/13, 2822 have Arts as their 1st preference, 1448 as 2nd preference and 951 as 3rd preference.
This is a small increase. If we compare to Science, a degree with relatively similar numbers:
In 2011/12, 2160 had Science as their 1st preference, 1526 as their 2nd preference and 898 as their 3rd preference.
In 2012/13, 2345 have Science as their 1st preference, 1638 as their 2nd preference and 893 as their 3rd preference.
If anything, Science should increase more.
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Where did you find these stats?
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2012/13 and 2011/12
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I'm going to predict that there won't be an increase in Arts.
In 2011/12, 2738 had Arts as their 1st preference, 1420 as 2nd preference and 957 as 3rd preference.
In 2012/13, 2822 have Arts as their 1st preference, 1448 as 2nd preference and 951 as 3rd preference.
This is a small increase. If we compare to Science, a degree with relatively similar numbers:
In 2011/12, 2160 had Science as their 1st preference, 1526 as their 2nd preference and 898 as their 3rd preference.
In 2012/13, 2345 have Science as their 1st preference, 1638 as their 2nd preference and 893 as their 3rd preference.
If anything, Science should increase more.
Good to see science rocketing up the charts, particularly after the huge jump last year.
Go science :)
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does anyone know when the clearly in atars will be released ?
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If my memory is correct, they come out the same day as offers: so Thursday.
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Looking at VTAC offers through the age:
Science - 91.95
Environments - 85.20
Biomedicine - 98.80
Arts - 91.40
Commerce - 95.00
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Every year since 2009 I've said the clearly in for biomed won't go up/will decrease, so this year I'm going to attempt to finally be right and state that it will remain at or above 99
UoM are trolls :(
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Looking at VTAC offers through the age:
Science - 91.95
Environments - 85.20
Biomedicine - 98.80
Arts - 91.40
Commerce - 95.00
Wow at this rate science will be on par with commerce.